>people will STILL deny that this isn't Gen VI
>>26572835
I fucking HATE those fucking HP bars
>same engine
>same models
Well, I thought gen6 fags were idiots but now I'm not sure anymore.
>>26572867
I hate sand. It's coarse and it's rough and it's irritating and it gets everywhere
>>26572867
I am with you.
they are to thick and draw to much attention.
>>26572867
Me too. Why the fuck cant the be even? That asymmetric design literally triggers y autism.
>>26572835
>No trainer behind Pokemon
What does that mean!?
>>26572835
Why are the HP bars so thick and close to the text?
>>26572835
At this point, you should be doubting it more than ever before.
>>26572892
Nothing outside of "muh new mons" ever said that it can't be gen 6 and even that is something which can be rewritten to a pattern.
>>26572867
I feel I'm the only one liking them. Only thing I don't like is the paint splotches, but ROM hacking's gonna make it easy to just remove. Good god I'm happy this runs on the engine I know the most.
>>26572952
oh fuck
>WILD SALAMENCE
>>26572835
A E S T H E T I C
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>2016 and people still call gsc gen 2 instead of 1.5
come on now, just look at the battle screen. gsc just has an updated hp bar and experience bar!
>>26572835
212 HP at level 50
Solgaleo's gonna be tanky as fuck. that's around 135 HP uninvested, and who knows if that's even max IV's.
>>26573036
If it's 0 IV's like a lot of pokemon are in these trailers, then its base HP would be 152. It would also be safe to assume Lunala has the same HP with mirrored base stats to Solgaleo.
>>26573036
>>26573125
it's at least base 105, considering how it's most likely uninvested and probably without max IVs, probably around those numbers. My guess is Solgaleo is a tank with high Attack and Lunaala is fast with high special attack. Wonder if any of them will get cool set up moves.
>>26573294
considering box art legends usually aren't that fast, I'd like to see lunala break the mold a bit.
I think Lugia of all things holds the title of fastest mascot legend with 110 speed?
almost everyone else is base 90-95.
>>26573294
I guess, though the trailer pokemon are usually shown with 0 IV's uninvested. The Salamence in the trailer for example is exactly that. It's going to be fat either way. I'm thinkking it will be like Kyogre and Groudon where they both share the same HP and Speed, but one is physically inclined and the other specially inclined. We won't know for awhile though.
>>26573043
>I am fifteen and have been conditioned to respond to jokes with buzzwords expressing my superior intellect
>>26573448
Solgaleo's most likely the physical here. Signature move is kinda obvious with that.
>>26573514
Whatever you think, anon.
>>26572835
post game in Kalos confirmed?
>>26573590
Nothing's confirmed yet. P. Zygarde makes things look like it's gonna be somewhere in the main story.
>>26573440
Mega Ray is 115, but otherwise it's Lugia.
>A Pokemon that doesn't even run Speed EVs most of the time is the fastest.
Kek.
>>26572835
New starters = new gen
>>26573632
same old pokemon.
>>26573632
Nice goalpost ',:^3c
No, seriously, they can easily say that this was just a pattern.
>>26573448
Yeah but while I agree with you, 152 base HP is a lot. I'm not saying it's impossible, but since it'll be most likely a 680 BST, that means its other stats will probably not be good, but not great, or will have say very high attack and defense and low special stats and around 90 speed like they usually have. Hopefully they make them ahve the same stats but instead of mirrored, just placed differently, like Gyarados/Milotic
>>26573514
He's a butthurt faggot. Ignore him.
>>26573694
Probably am a bit annoyed by strawmen, yes. I think you would be as well, anon.
>>26573440
>tfw the second fastest mascot Pokemon are Palkia andCharizard
>>26572835
NO BATTLE CIRCLES
>>26572867
I would like something like pic related
it's not perfect but I think it's better
>>26572835
They had three fucking years two after ORAS and yet the models backgrounds are the fucking same no tweak or recolor fuck GF
>>26572835
>being this denial and stupid
>>26572989
gen 1 and gen 2 has different pokemon sprites
>>26573786
Pretty sure that in gen 6, the circles also disappeared when Pokemon was using a move
>>26572903
Well, be ready for some fun times with all those Alolan beaches
>>26572966
I do like them too, especially the gradient colors. I just wish there'd be some kind of possibility to chose the color of the paint splotches, kinda like in BW2, the HUD was a different color according to your version.
>>26573684
Giratina has 150 HP, and none of its stats drop below 90, in either form.
Let's assume Solgaleo has 150 HP and 90 Speed. That leaves plenty to be distributed in the other four stats.
>>26573839
Oh yeah that's true.
I also miss styles, or whatever they were called, the text window borders.
>>26573813
>The lower bar is it's hyper gauge, which fills as you take and deliver damage.
>When it fills up, use it for special moves, like a Dragon Punch!
>>26573830
Pretty sure they didn't, but there were no circles in specific places, such as your first battle in X/Y.
>>26573818
I really am starting to believe the less that one year dev time meme. Maybe they were working on Z but the top brass didn't want any third versions anymore so it got shitcanned and rushed SM into production.
>Same models
D:
>>26573825
And it would make complete sense to re-do every single 3D model for the same console just because of a Generation change. Right?
>>26573934
S/M were planned from the very start, anon. There was never gonna be any Z.
>ignoring the fact that gen V reused some gen IV sprites and simply animated them
>>26572835
This is going to be lazier than X&Y, and they won't even have the excuse of moving into 3D to back it up.
So glad I can pirate 3DS games.
>>26573856
yeah, my point is that if you don't want to go below 90 in any stat, you can't go very high in other stats. Sure, Giratina doesn't go below 90, but also doesn't go higher than 120, which for a legendary is kinda underwhelming
>>26573976
>S/M reuse literally everything
>doesn't do anything about them
>>26574017
I mean, how far away are we going to move the goalposts about what gen it is?
The overworld is a totally different layout
>>26574016
What I'd like to know is Solgaleo's base attack or at least the power of Sunsteel Strike as it OHKO'd the Salamence of the same level.
>>26574041
>I mean, how far away are we going to move the goalposts about what gen it is?
The "new mons = new gen" is moving it enough.
>The overworld is a totally different layout
Yeah, sure. It's different, but doesn't mean shit if it can or cannot be one or the other.
>>26574041
There is no strict definition of what a Generation is because Generation is a fanmade term.
>>26574017
do you want gsme freak to waste time making 800 new models so we end up with another disaster like XY? eitherway I prefer this gen 6.5 than Pokemon Z which is gen 6 and go through pic related again
>>26574091
Okay? I wouldn't disagree that as we use it that is the case.
>>26574091
Except TCPi uses the word in official press releases.
>>26574091
They've used generation on the back of boxes before.
>>26574135
Their definition of the word might be different from how the fans use it though.
>>26574091
I'm the one who posted above you and no, it's not a fanmade term.
>>26574095
>I prefer this gen 6.5 than Pokemon Z which is gen 6
It would still be gen 6. "6.5" is a fanmade term and basically nothing more than how "feminism" is just a label these days. Stop using it, for fucks sake. 6fagging is literally only one thing; battle compatibility. 6.5fagging is literally everything from "x amount of mons", "artstyle this, artstyle that", "it has to trade as well as battle", ect. all after which 6.5fags feel means something to the argument. It's a customizable term, just like the term feminism is being used these days.
>>26574147
This could very well be true, however.
I'm just gonna pull Bionicle for a quick example.
The 2015 boncles are "generation 2", despite the fact that the trilogy back then had a similar system to how Pokémon generations work. Metru Nui and shit being the actual "generation 2" made more sense to me.
>>26574057
>0 Atk Metagross Meteor Mash (130 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 121-144 (78 - 92.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Level 50, no IVs. Assuming GF isn't rusing us, Solgaleo has to be really fucking strong, on both ends.
>>26574095
They had 3 years time for lousy 800 models with no textures and a bar minium of animations.
Meanwhile other devs blast out 15.000 objects with HD textures in the same time.
No. Excuse.
>>26574057
assuming 0IVs for salamance and 31 for solgaleo, with no investment and neutral nature.
If Sunsteel Strike is 130BP, 160 is the minimum base attack that guarantees a OHKO. If the move is 150 BP then with 136 base you get the same result. For 120BP you need at least 175 Atk. My bet is 140 BP and 150 Atk.
>>26572867
I look at it and expect to see a Mousou bar underneath.
>>26572835
>HP bars switched positions so they're over the Pokemon instead of empty space
For what reason?
>>26572835
Shit it might as well be gen 6 since it seems as if copy and pasting the gen 6 models sounded like a good idea to them
>>26573856
It outsped salamence so it's most likely over 100 speed
>>26572835
>212 hp at lvl 50
guess the base stat lads
>>26574235
>feminism-fag strikes again
Fuck off you dumb MRA.
>>26574340
It's probably a Hyper Beam type move, where it needs to rest on the next turn.
>>26575022
Yeah, I'm just comparing it to that because it's really easy to relate to with what's going on. At least, open minded people can easily relate.
>>26575051
they already described the secondary effect. it ignores the target's abilities when dealing damage, such as ignoring multiscale.
I doubt they'd give it both the effect of ignoring abilities and make it a charge turn on top of that.
>>26573943
yes
>>26575114
/pol/ please stop baiting, we're trying to shitpost on this shitpost and we have our hands full already. We'll take care of your shit later.
>>26574095
except most of those models were slightly touched up versions of the pokedex 3D models with washed out textures applied to them.
>>26575395
I fucking hate /pol/, don't even go there. I just know whatever feminism is trying to convince us of is fucking ridiculous. Don't fall for it, just like I'm doing with your bait.
Anyway, shitposting's banned to /b/ and /trash/, I believe.
>>26572835
>New pokemon
>New reigon
>Not a new gen
???
>>26575553
Yeah.
>>26575577
>575577
This is okay.
>>26573943
>re-do
no
>improve
yes
>>26572867
I bet you hated Battle Revolution too
>>26575553
Nothing is concrete until it's compatibly with the other games are confirmed.
>>26575756
never played that
>>26575791
They'll just release Z before the 3DS' life is up, which will be about as compatible with S/M and X and Y is with ORAS.
Gotta make the fans buy as many copies of the same shit as possible.
>>26575114
>MRA
>open minded
kek
>>26575791
Fuck now we've got the dumb compatibility fag in here.
I'm out.
>>26572892
well hopefully since theyre the same models and same engine that means we'll hopefully get a lot of content within the game considering i believe i was reading somewhere that half of the development time it took to make XY was spent on the models thenselves
>>26575875
Oh, well it would have triggered you
>>26575897
>MRA
No, I'm not. Nice assumption, though.
>now we got the dumb compatibility fag in here
It's literally the only thing the 6fag argument stands for, because it's solid and undeniable.
>I'm out
See you later.
>>26575928
You know what happened to OR/AS, but hopefully it's because of muh money for the superior version™
>>26575986
Those HP bars appeared only when Pokemon was hit. They were rad as fuck too since they used a different animation for HP depletion based on the type of move the Pokemon was hit with.
The HP bars you've seen normally through the match looked like pic related.
>>26576266
God, I wish this game was more like Stadium.
Online was so fun.
>>26576324
gotta love that infinite hp
>>26575897
>>>/tumblr/
>>26572989
>different sprites
>split special
>held items
>breeding
>2 new types
>shinies
>color
naw this meme needs to die
>>26576388
Shhh, don't aggravate xer. Just take comfort in knowing xe will die of inevitable heart failure in xer early-mid 30s.
>>26574057
Sunsteel is a buffed Hyperbeam
>>26572835
>New region
>New Pokemon
It's Gen VII. Literally the only thing different between Gen I and Gen II was color.
>>26576496
>Literally the only thing different between Gen I and Gen II was color.
>>26576440
AND so much more was changed with the battle mechanics.
Now don't go running to 5th gen, because that also had drastic changes in battle mechanics. Some moves and abilities got overhauls as well.
If and as long as everything that X/Y has is untouched, it's gonna be perfectly compatible with S/M.
>>26576502
If you're going through with the argument that different battle mechanics = new gen then we're still in the 1st generation.
>>26573825
So Crystal is Gen 3?
>>26572867
Everything's bigger in hawaii :^)
>>26572892
You should still think they're idiots.
People have been saying since Gen 6 came out that the models are needlessly high poly because they future proofed them so they could use them for a long time.
Yet you still have people in the thread going "SAME MODELS???? IT'S GEN 6!"
>>26576561
This is bait, right?
>>26576561
B8r g8r shame me for replying l8r
>>26576596
I'm okay with them using the same models, I just wish they'd fix the colour.
Some look way too washed out.
>>26572835
Just ran some calcs
Assuming no IV or EV investment, Solgaleo has somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 base hp.
>>26576596
Hi, >>26576203. I'll be so nice that I'll crosslink your replies for you.
>>26576241
>>26576583
>>26576668
I can fix the coloration with a simple ROM hack. It's for OR/AS at the moment, but it'll be easy to do as S/M run on the same engine.
I fucking knew it would come to this. The major argument that Gen 6 (6.5) fags have that would prove that these games are gen 6 is if they are battle compatible. It's looking less likely that this will happen.
Everything they said has been disproven and the only argument they have now is "t-the graphics look the same!!!"
Gen 1 and Gen 2 have the same graphics
>>26576680
I'm guessing it's a tank with moderate speed and high Sp Atk.
>>26576753
>high Special Attack
I think that's Lunala's role. Solgaleo's physically shitting on that mence.
>>26573666
>Nice goalpost
Do you even know what that means? This has been the main argument from the very start
>>26576743
>Gen 1 and Gen 2 have the same graphics
To be fair, the GB was a lot more limited than the 3DS in that department.
I hope the Sun and Moon being Gen VI meme dies eventually. I don't want to argue about the amount of gens for the rest of Pokemon's history, fucking shit.
>>26576680
And even assuming max IVs and a random EV set, it still has about 140
>>26573943
No need to make new models, just change the stance of few, so they wont look stupid again and change the texture of course. Add new small features.
The 3D models are ok, but they could improve it a lot in this 2 year with 1/3 of the effort.
>>26576814
It's just /vp/ as far as I know. Everyone outside of 4chan knows its gen 7.
>>26576879
The models appear to be straining the hardware though, if you turn on the 3D the frame rate is horrendous. Not sure if Pokemon just takes up a lot of memory or Gamefreak is incompetent when it comes to 3D models.
>>26576743
>It's looking less likely that this will happen.
Well, with S/M news never even showing up with decisive evidence or proof that it's not 6, it's looking more like it is. Nothing has even disrupted the argument we stand for, yet OR/AS existing is a downside for you because it breaks so many patterns we thought were "set in stone".
>>26576789
Yeah, I know. Our argument was always that "Generations can only battle with generations of equal number", yet that has always been "M-MUH GOALPOST" for some reason. I'm kinda tired, so I decided to try the meme out myself.
>>26576814
Tell Game Freak to make things more obvious, then. Just don't go complaining "STOP SPOILING EVERYTHING" when they dump everything in one go.
>>26576879
This, but it's not Effort Freak we're talking with. They have gone out with their plan with no real changes, it seems.
>>26576929
>It's just /vp/ as far as I know. Everyone outside of 4chan believes it's gen 7.
ftfy
>>26576950
We have a new region, new mascots, new protagonists, and new starters. What more do you need?
>>26576943
They aren't incompetent when it comes to 3D models, at all. You have mostly Nintendo to blame, here.
>>26576792
Gen V also made use of what was essentially the same graphics for all of the non-Gen V mons, with a few exceptions I'm sure.
That said, the backsprites were largely new, though.
>>26576929
Even my friend who I play Pokemon with irl is unsure if this is the 6th or 7th gen, and he doesn't browse /vp/ that I'm aware of.
>>26576440
You forgot
>Female playable character
>Rematches
>Sprite animations
>Swarms
>Dozens of new moves
>Roaming legendary
>Furret
And I'm probably forgetting some as well.
>>26577037
>Furret
I'm a little confused as to why this ranks with the others.
>>26576993
Something that fucks up battle compatibility for older things. That being as much as 5th gen's Wish/Sturdy changes, sleep counter, things like Grass types being immune to Spore, ect. Battle mechanic changes that changes things up so much that they become incompatible with the rest of 6th gen.
>>26576997
Graphics isn't really a good argument, but you're right.
>>26577023
Have him stay skeptic, it's the best for him.
I know I'll be sucking these up regardless of how "BTFO" I get when it's confirmed gen 7.
>>26576997
Back sprites were just the front sprite flipped and edited to show a back view. Arguably lazier than previous back sprites but it's obvious why they did it.
>>26577086
>Graphics isn't really a good argument, but you're right.
Isn't this whole argument about graphics? I mean, originally. Now I guess it's devolved into general "it's still Gen 6" arguing. But the OP was saying it's evidence for why it's still Gen 6, despite similar visual corner cutting being done in Gens II and Gen V never even slightly making people think so.
The models were never going to change, and they don't need to be changed. What you are complaining about is the animations
>>26577103
Coz most of the sprites in Gen V were old from a variety of sources, they look wildly inconsistently stylistically and as such so do the backsprites
>>26577124
>Isn't this whole argument about graphics?
No, it never was for 6fagging which only pushes one argument. I don't see a problem including things that make sense, but I'll still say if an argument's weak or not. Graphics are on our side, not that it's worth much, but it's something.
>But the OP was saying it's evidence for why it's still Gen 6
I thought he was saying the opposite, but okay. I'm good at mixing up these "so people aren't still not denying it's never not" sentences. Excuse me.
>>26577125
Correct.
>>26577197
>I thought he was saying the opposite, but okay. I'm good at mixing up these "so people aren't still not denying it's never not" sentences. Excuse me.
No, you're right. I'm wrong. Fucking double negatives.
>people will STILL DENY that this is NOT Gen VI
>people will still think that this is Gen VI
Or alternatively, since "not Gen VI" means "Gen VII" in this case:
>people will STILL deny that this is Gen VII"
My apologies.
>>26577278
oh wew I'm going to bed before my head starts hurting more
it's m/n anyway so oh well
>>26576440
>I somehow know SM won't have any new features of this magnitude and will have full battle compatibility with XY/ORAS despite knowing literally nothing about the game, and despite every other main series game introducing new Pokémon in a new region also having a ton of new features and not being able to battle with the previous games
THIS meme needs to die.
>>26577437
I don't think you get what we're saying.
Knowing is one thing, not knowing is another.
You don't know if it's 6th or 7th gen yet, there hasn't been anything decisive to rule either.
Stay the fuck skeptic like other 6fags and you'll perhaps not be as "BTFO" as us when the time comes around.
>>26572867
They're a bit too bright, but I think I'll get used to them. I would prefer the paint splotches to be more subdued though, or somewhat translucent.
>>26578222
Nothing that a ROM hack can't fix.
>>26574586
Aesthetic.
