Is this the worst legendary ever?
>Implying the beefed up Metagross in lion form is not worse.
>OHKOs Lugia through Multiscale
>we don't know yet the damage reduction of Shadow Shield
I'll hold on for now.
>>26569417
No.
![250px-486Regigigas[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/UBb7ff4.png "250px-486Regigigas[1].png")
>>26569417
Phione exists
>lati@s
>cresselia
>genies
>manaphy
>hoopa
Nah.
>>26569417
Assmad Solgaleofag detected.
You literally got a bulkier Metagross. Lunala will be superior once the stats are revealed.
>>26569459
>OHKOs Lugia through Multiscale
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-W Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Lugia: 408-480 (98 - 115.3%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
That's the kind of firepower you need to even get close. I doubt its that strong
>>26569417
Most Pokemon aren't geared to take on Psychic/Ghost, it hasn't even existed that long
>>26569537
its signature move ignores abilities you dumb fuck
>>26569533
>sucker punch
>>26569537
...Well shit, I should have done the calcs before posting.
>>26569417
>alanul
>>26569596
see this >>26569563
>>26569417
>You can hit it with an Earthquake
>You can hit it with an Earthquake
>>26569576
>sun pokemon
>weak to fire
>>26569563
But it depends on what type its signature move is. If it's Ghost, then Lugia's fucked.
Ok guys I'll explain to you how lunaala can be a game changer. You guys know how spammable Shadow Ball is? The thing with ghost offense is that they have literally no moves above 80bp on the special side and on the physical side all you get is fucking shadow force.
IF! Lunala gets a signature special ghost move with, say, 110bp, >100 speed, around 140 sp attack (at the very least), nasty plot and focus blast for darks and normals... It is gonna wreck shit.
>>26569631
Doesn't matter, what really cripples it is the x4 sucker punch weakness. If enemy has any hazards or weather in play multiscale is broken and sucker punch from anything that carries it in ubers will probably kill.
Honestly levitate would probably have been a better ability than multiscale for that reason, unless the ability has some hidden effects.
>>26569618
>>252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-W Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Lugia: 408-480 (98 - 115.3%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
>>Turboblaze
Stop being retarded.
>>26569648
oh gee surely with a name like moonGEIST beam itll be psychic type for sure
>>26569669
Nothing can save it from getting one-shot by sucker punch/shadow sneak.
>>26569638
>moon pokemon
>weak to dark
>>26569685
HE GOT BTFO
>>26569708
the moon's light comes from the sun. why would it be a dark type?
>>26569706
multiscale will. just once tho
>worst legendary
>not this little piece of shit
I mean Lunala is shitty, but come on.
>>26569760
this. then if it gets focus blast or new focus blast variant it'll wreck shit. i feel like its going to have strong defensive typing considering its ability is shadow shield
>>26569708
>he thinks Dark type is the absence of light
>>26569493
haha that is some quality bait anon, thanks for sharing!
>>26569760
>multiscale
What part of stealth rock did you not get?
>>26569563
>>26569685
When Multiscale is the logged ability on the defender, it outlines Multiscale
>>26569801
>i feel like its going to have strong defensive typing
They already showed its typing and it's pretty bad
>sneak up to it from out of the shadows
>sucker punch it
pshh, nothing personal kid
>>26569867
i did say typing...i meant to say strong defensive stats.
>>26569417
The Regis, Genies and Swords of Justice exist so no.
>>26569856
>When Multiscale is the logged ability on the defender, it outlines Multiscale
>>26569631
there are 'earth'quakes on the moon
>>26569956
but you gave it mold breaker you dumb fuck. its ability is already confirmed.
>>26569706
Pretty sure switching saves it from both of those :^)
>>26569973
that's not an EARTHquake :')
>>26569979
The attack itself has the Mold Breaker property of ignoring the targets ability. That's why we're using Turboblaze, Mold Breaker, etc.
>>26570012
woah sun he's going to need some burn heal.
>>26569979
God damn it, you retard. You had me thinking I was the retarded one.
>>26570012
>what is pursuit
>>26570085
>Having pursuit and sucker punch on the same pokemon
>>26570035
what you did was give it moldbreaker which is correct but saying its going to be an 80bp like shadow ball.
>>26570066
check again retard
>>26570085
Not sucker punch or shadow sneak
>what is moving the goalpost
>>26570112
>what is bisharp
>>26570120
>what is damage control
>>26570118
i take back what i said about you comparing it to shadow ball but its still going to have more bp
>>26569417
I remember saying the new pokemon look like digimon, I take it back, digimon look way better than this.
>>26570118
I wasn't saying the new move was going to have a certain attack power, or that Lunala was going to have 170 spA. All i'm saying is that to Ohko most Lugia, it needs a similar strength of specs Kyurem-W using Ice Beam
>>26570169
and you're implying there's a good chance it won't?
>>26570142
>what is substitute
Signature moves are usually 100BP or more. If it's Ghost, then it should OHKO Lugia assuming it has decent SpA.
Lets hope the ability either reduces much more than Multiscale, or is permanent in the damage reduction outside full HP
>>26570262
>what is infiltrator spiritomb
>>26570262
not him, but substitute is only useful if you predict the sucker punch.
>>26570196
I'm not implying anything of that sort.
>>26570196
If it has 170+satk it's either going to be in a mega or it'll be deoxys levels of frail which even multiscale won't save
Either way, it won't be near a +1 Kyruem-W level of offense without boosting itself or being insanely frail.
>>26570292
>using spiritomb in ubers
And shedinja is a top tier pick because it counters kyogre ;^)
>>26570332
you're talking like we know what the stats are like already. you can't say its going to be frail or that'll have 170+SA. chances are it will be able to pull of a OHKO on lugia regardless.
252+ SpA Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Dark Pulse vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Hoopa: 398-471 (131.7 - 155.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
28 Atk Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Hoopa (with 130 base defense): 307-361 (101.6 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
lol
>>26569417
Literally all of the digimon rejects from gen 4
>>26570367
>mooncuck damage control
>moving the goalposts
Enjoy your shitty uu legendary :^)
>>26570411
>two different pokemon
>two different stats.
>>26570367
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/uber-shedinja-team-peaked-1-on-the-ladder.60923/
BTFO
>>26570439
it better have bulk better than 80/130 then
>>26570411
>comparing yveltal with hoopa
might as well compare raichu against magikarp
>>26570262
I bet any high tier dark type would break that sub with pursuit, plus it resists ghost and psychic attacks that it could use. Pursuit trapped forever
>>26570433
>implying I'm getting moon
>implying "but this one RU-tier Pokemon with mediocre offenses can hit through subs exists so this Pokemon must be shit" is a good argument
>implying the goalposts moved an inch
>>26570471
>>26570472
Your point being?
>>26570488
>what is Moonblast
Bye-bye, Dark-type, my old friend.
>>26570499
are you retarded?
>>26570499
i'm trying to show how it would fare against common dark attacks in ubers
>>26570499
The point is you're using the weaker version of a Pokemon to try to prove a point. Maybe you can try using Pokemon that are around equal to each other so you don't look like an idiot.
>>26570012
>>26570492
>It's not shitty guys! Sure it has 2 4x weaknesses, but you just need to switch to make sure it doesn't get hit!
>implying this was a good argument
>>26570514
>>26570549
>I have 0 comprehension skills
Kek. Summerfags go gay for moonshit after all. See you with your shitmons :^)
>>26570549
252+ SpA Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Psychic/Ghost Xerneas: 507-601 (129 - 152.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
28 Atk Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Psychic/Ghost Xerneas: 400-476 (101.7 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Is this better? Literally the exact same stats as yveltal.
>>26570465
>team does well with gimmick during weather: the meta
>this makes shedinja an amazing Pokemon
Shedinja was used in ubers because it hard countered kyogre, who the meta revolved around at that point. If the moon legend is good enough for a RU Pokemon to make it to Ubers JUST to counter it, then it's probably is a top-tier legend.
>>26570593
I think he means Yveltal is the problem and not the defender
>>26570509
It would have to have more than 170 spAttk to kill Yveltal. And thats saying that its faster than Yveltal and out predicts Sucker
>>26570552
>implying "it has weaknesses so it's automatically bad" is a valid argument for offensive Pokemon
If it's defensive it'll be shit but other Pokemon that are garbage defensively do alright in ubers with a good movepool/offenses.
I feel like theyll make it bulky enough to survive a hit with multiscale, and then either setup or nuke something.
Hell its ability might even be a better version of multiscale for all we know.
>>26570657
Yveltal is pretty strong but it's kind of an average mon in Ubers. Just trying to gauge where Lunala might end up, but it will face strong dark attacks in any tier so that's kind of a moot point
>>26570403
If it doesn't have 170 Sp atk then it can't OHKO Lugia, are you slow? If it does have 170 in an offensive Stat then it's highly likely to be frail as I doubt they'd make a legendary min/maxed to hell.
>>26569450
weak
>>26569417
Competitively or design-wise?
Not that it matters because the answer is a resounding "No" to both.
>>26570740
>If it does have 170 in an offensive Stat then it's highly likely to be frail
700 BST aint that far from 680
>>26569417
Looks terrible design wise and type isn't any better. Probably worse than the Unova box art legendaries.
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Psychic/Ghost Xerneas: 346-408 (88 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
It might be able to go toe-to-toe with Bisharp if it ends up in OU. Assuming it gets Focus Blast it could live any Sucker Punch with a little investment and OHKO back with Focus Blast.
>>26570740
For fuck's sake, it doesn't need 170 special attack to OHKO Lugia, you fucking moron. All it needs is for Moongeist Beam to be stronger than Ice beam.
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Mold Breaker Lunala Moongeist Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Lugia: 372-438 (89.4 - 105.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
This was done with just 100 special attack and Moongeist Beam set to 120. The base power of the move matters more than the stats do, see Talonflame.
just give it substitute and it's fine
>>26569477
Will they ever make him better?
>>26570897
Or some middleground between both
There should definitely be legendaries that are weaker than previous ones to dampen power creep. People love to complain about power creep while simultaneously complaining about how new Pokemon aren't strong enough. It's stupid. Surely Lunala will have a niche somewhere--it doesn't have to OHKO Lugia or Yveltal.
>>26570712
Alright, we'll just have to wait and see before any early judgement.
>>26571022
>>26571088
/thread
>>26571022
Lunala's niche will be switching in on stealth rock/spikes and getting one-shot by sucker punch.
>>26571793
Why are you people always this retarded about new games and Pokemon? Always assuming the absolute worst of everything when we have nothing to go by except their Types, screaming and crying about how everything is shit because uit's not what you want it to be. Every goddamned generation.
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
>>26571793
This desu
If this thing is decently fast and has access to focus blast there's nothing that can switch into it without taking huge damage.
The real problem isn't sucker punch, it's Gengar-M.
>>26572263
No, it's still suckerpunch
Watch them change 4x weaknesses to 3x this gen.
Looks like a yugioh monster
>>26572263
Ghost types can escape Shadow Tag breh
>>26569417
>You're judging it before you even get to use it
/vp/ as usual I see.
>>26572407
Totally forgot about that.Honestly? I'm just shitposting, I don't play Uber
>>26571833
I remember when somogonfags thought Ybeltal would be OU lol. If even smogonfags are that stupid, then Im not even surprised people here are so retarded.
>>26572287
Sucker Punch is a non-issue if it has Cosmic Power and Recover. Both are very likely considering what it is.
It comes down to a guessing game by then, and most mons would rather have Dark Pulse over Sucker Punch in that situation.
Should have been fairy ghost type QQ
Sun legendary
weak against fire
fears sunny day
>>26569417
Pokemon Sun and Moon have some pretty lame legendaries.
No. They ignored the Regis ancient looking design scheme and made a disco traffic light man, now they have to live with that.
>>26569459
Any entry hazard will make it unusable
Chhhhaaaaaannnnggeee into DIGITAL CHAMPIONS tooo save the DIGITAL
>world
>>26569417
No. it has multiscale.
came here looking for ZYKEK
WHERES ZYKEK VP?
>>26569518
>Phione
>legendary
kek. Besides, Phione is kawaii as fuck
I don't know
Ask if Volcorona is the worst pokemon ever
>>26569638
>>26569708
>>26572837
You guys ever think that they are weak to their symbol on purpose?
We need to know the plot exactly
They both want to absorb the power of the sun and moon, they are not icons for them
Keep in mind people thought Black and White having opposite colored legends was stupid too till we got the plot reason
>>26572988
Just like Lugia, right?
>>26573765
kek
>>26572837
Good thing it's not the Sun Pokemon, eh?
>>26572489
Yeah, iirc starting in Gen 6 ghosts can't be "trapped" meaning they can switch out of Shadow Tag, Mean Look, etc.
>>26569417
>>26570907
>Scarf Infiltrator Chandelure usage skyrockets
Why are people so riled up over how good they are? I thought only the smaller legendaries (e.g beast trio, bird trio, etc) were ever viable in competitive play? So why does it really matter? Personally I'm only interested in their designs, which look incredible. I'm really glad GF are coming out with good legendary designs these days, rather than oddballs like Kyurem. I love Kyurem but... he and his trio, they're a little bit much.
>>26573765
>>26575422
Calm your autism anon
> Ctrl + F
> Knock Off
> 0 Results
So has anyone actually played pokemon this gen?
>Rotom now learns Shadow Sneak in Gen VII
>yfw your pokedex is stronger than a legendary
>>26569417
But that's not Arceus Normal
>>26576859
nice bait amigo :^)
>>26575658
Holy fuck that's the stuff of nightmares.
>Faster than Gengar
>Signature is likely Ghost and ignores abilities
>Might get Moonlight/Moonbeam
>Might get Cosmic Power/Calm Mind
This thing already can wreck OU before factoring in items.
>>26569814
It kind of is with Dark Pulse and Dark Void. It's like how Steel covers technological bullshit like Flash Cannon.
>>26577033
Being too good for OU isn't a very high bar to pass. Reshiram and Deoxys-N are complete shit but they will never see the light of day in OU.
>>26577245
>Dragon/Fire typing
>complete shit
>>26569631
And?
A lot of floating Pokemon can still be hit by earthquake
>>26577422
His point still stands tho, just look at most of the megas or Greninja.
>>26577422
Because typing is everything. It's by far one of the worst pokemon in Ubers, but it would still completely demolish OU if they were stupid enough to release it.
Same goes for shit like Arceus-Bug.
>>26569417
Uxie, Azelf and Mesprit exist.
As long as we have the Three Stooges, no other legendary can be the worst.
Not even if we got some sort of Ice/Rock type with a shit movepool and Klutz as its ability. Not unless it's rehashed two more times to fill out its group.
>>26569477
SHIT TASTE
>>26569791
SHIT TASTE
>this whole thread
>>26575700
You mean a legendary that is UU tier at best?
>>26572599
Remember when people thought Bravery Bird would be NU because pebbles?
>>26575394
sure... on purpose
and I can't talk to girls..... on purpose
>>26572599
I remember Smogon thought Rampardos was gonna be OU
Hell, even RECENTLY there was debate whether Hoopa-U would be OU or Ubers, and that's a Pokemon we already had everything on
>>26572837
I may be late on this, but I just realized that Solgaleo's design partly based off a Spaceman suit. I guess you can't be fire type if you're based in part on something that protects from the Sun's heat and the other space hazards.
>>26569417
nah because it looks cool
>>26575401
no lugia has decent typing and roost
>>26578240
>implying Lunala isn't getting Roost/Moonlight
>>26578295
What part of "gets one-shot" are you not understanding? Do you really think this thing is meant to be a tank?
>>26578377
>gets a tank ability
>doesn't get tanky stats
>>26578398
>switches in on stealth rock/spikes
>requires protect + leftovers to not die instantly
>>26569417
it's better than solgaleo, so no. solgaleo is just metagross and jirachi and shit. lunala only shares a typing with hoopa.
>>26578706
Metagross and Jirachi are better than Magcargo and Aurorus at least.
>>26578730
where are you getting magcargo and aurorus from? not arguing, i sincerely dont understand your reply
>>26569417
Mascot legends?
yes
All legends?
No
>>26578813
They both have two 4x weaknesses.
>>26578846
this meme again... pokemon have weaknesses sometimes, faggot.
having a 4x weakness or 2 =/= being a bad pokemon
lunala literally only shares a type combo with hoopa. solgaleo shares it with a bunch of things though. based on that alone, lunaala is more original, and i do not feel bad saying that it is better than solgaleo. fuck solgaleo.
>>26569417
Eh, no. Probably one of the many cancerous "mythicals" like Keldeo or something. Lunaala isn't hat great but it's not AWFUL.
>>26578885
I'm not that guy, I was just pointing out what the comparison was. Take your hurt feelings elsewhere.
Man I am glad I suck at turn based battles and therefore don't care about the meta. I just use super effective damaging moves in the campaign which is always a breeze
>Shadow Shield
lol no
