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>those awful typings
>those terrible signature moves (Solgaleo's has no STAB unless it's somehow Steel type because reasons)
>those unoriginal copy-paste abilities
Holy shit, I've never felt so sorry for a pair of legendaries before.
It is Steel though
>>26567009
>those terrible signature moves
they have mold breaker properties
Never has gf fucked up so bad, both legends have shit unintuitive typing and copy pasta abilities.
I'm just excited to see how poorly this pans out
>>26567009
The move is literally called Sunsteel Strike, faggot
>>26567009
>solgaleo's attack is neutral damage on salamence
>Op faggot assumes that it was fire type
>>26567119
I imagine it's like flying press/dragon ascent or something?
So don't use them? Who the fuck doesn't box legendaries anyway?
What if Marshadow ends up being Dark type so it'll be super-effective against Solgaleo and Lunala?
>>26567157
are you saying its part dragon?ice? how about rock? does any of those make sense to you?
Hopefully that means they're not uber. Kiddies won't care about them.
>>26567162
These people apparently.
>>26567059
Unless they have over 100 base power with perfect accuracy these are extremely underwhelming.
Compare them to Xerneas/Yveltal signature moves, or even Reshiram/Zekrom. Shit's just disappointing as fuck.
>Sun pokemon is weak against Fire
>Moon pokemon is weak against Moonblast
Holy fuck
>>26567346
>weak against Moonblast
Anon...
>>26567346
>>Moon pokemon is weak against Moonblast
are you retarded?
Why the fuck is Solgaleo not Fire type. Fucking 0.5% of the sun is made of metal, and its not like the Sun is a giant red hot ball of gas that emits shit tons of thermal energy.
WTF gamefreak
>>26567023
It's Steel/Psychic in an age when Steel/Psychic is not a good typing anymore due to Steel nerf.
And don't even get me started on Lunala. Two 4x weaknesses, no relevant resists, basically just a slightly stronger Hoopa-C and that one is currently sitting tightly in RU. It will literally die to everything even with the Multiscale clone. I can actually see her dropping to OU, Psychic/Ghost is easily one of the worst type combos in existance, second only to Ice/Rock.
>>26567285
Xerneas has a borderline broken signature move, of course it would be over shadowed.
>>26567399
It technically isn't fire though.
>>26567399
Because we already have plenty of fire dog/leon pokemons
>>26567009
>Lunaala
>4x weak to dark
>4x weak to ghost
>looks frail
Lmao moonfags will defend this.
>>26567059
what use does that have exactly?
>>26567447
Technically nothing is fire. Fire is literally a chemical reaction, but that doesn't stop there from being about 60 fire types.
>>26567548
breaks multiscale/that new lunala ability
and sturdy
and.... uhhhhh
WONDER GUARD! shedinjafags btfo
>>26567414
Types with bad defensive properties tend to have great offensive boons. If Lunala has 680 BST and is geared toward being fast and strong then it will definitely have an edge over a lot of Pokemon, especially as it is immune to Extreme Speed.
Regarding Solagleo, it's important to note that with the special exception of Beldum due to its gimped movepool, there are currently no objectively bad Steel/Psychic types.
Solgaleo getting Clear Body could mean that it's meant as a set-up sweeper
it could be good
>>26567738
with what moves pray tell anon. What moves do other lions get? Fucking howl?
>>26567534
Nah, as a Moonfag I'm disappointed as fuck. Psychic/Ghost typing is just Hoopa copypaste. 4x weakness to Ghost and Dark aren't fun for me at all. I thought it will be some unique combo like Ghost/Fairy.Imagine your Lunala using majestic MOONblast.
Game Freak pissed me off.
tfw the Moon legendary doesn't get STAB from Moonblast
tfw Sunny Day threatens the Sun legendary
>>26567162
A vast majority of people in the competitive scene.
>>26567826
Lunala's going to have its shit wrecked by the sheer amount of sneaky pebbles in competitive play.
>>26567009
teh sun pokemon should have been fire +Steel + levitate
and the moon thing should ahve been Dark or ghost + fairy
>>26567447
Neither are mushrooms grass.
>>26567710
>Beldum
I think you meant Bronzong.
Yes, Solgaleo definitely seems to have more potential at the moment.
>especially as it is immune to Extreme Speed
Too bad it's 4x weak to Sucker Punch, Knock Off AND Pursuit, and it can't switch in for shit because it has like 0 good resists. Good luck making that thing work in Ubers, or even VGC.
Day 1 OU, I'm telling you guys, unless GameFreak decides to fiddle with the type chart once again.
>>26568254
Bronzong is the best Xerneas wall mate
>>26568254
But Steel is now weak to Ghost and Dark
>>26567399
probably because its going to be containing the suns power with its psychic abilities, rather than literally being a sun
>>26568332
Yes, but it doesn't have two (TWO) x4 weaknesses and the Steel STAB will make Tyranitar wary of switching in.
Steel type also gives it a solid line-up of resists (and it's neutral to Fighting with Psychic), while Lunala has...what exactly? Normal/Fighting immunity (ie. every ghost)? Psychic and Bug resistance (lmao)? Wow, sure a worthy trade off for those two nasty 4x weaknesses!
>>26567548
Ever used a Pokemon with Mold Breaker? All defensive Abilities are completely nullified. Levitate, Multiscale, Wonder Guard, Thick Fat, etc are rendered useless.
>>26567792
It's a metal space lion, anon. Not fucking Pyroar.
>>26567346
It's psychic/ghost, not psychic/dark. Ghost isn't weak to fairy famalam
>>26568447
Long as it's fast and powerful, typing doesn't matter. Look how many other 4x weak Pokemon are OU thanks to stats, Abilities, movepool, etc.
You people do this every single generation, maybe when Gen VIII comes out you'll have finally learned not to be so reactionary and assuming.
>It's another episode of /vp/ thinking they know competitive
>>26568447
Bug neutrality, actually. kek
>>26568490
Not very useful unless they add Steel/Ghost resisting abilities, or Shedinja becomes relevant.
>>26568254
No, I meant Beldum.
We have the tendency to underestimate new Pokemon based on one perceived flaw, only to find our suspicions untrue. Yes, Ghost/Psychic is a horrible defensive typing, but that does not mean it will be a failure.
>>26567157
>Sunsteel Strike
>Not Steel type
>>26567180
Dark/Fighting
Super effective against both, immune to their shared type.
Weakness Policy is perfect for Lunaala.
>those unoriginal copy-paste abilities
Don't most legendaries just have Pressure?
>>26567162
>what is VGC
>>26568490
Even though I agree Mold Breaker is a good Ability, negating Levitate and Thick Fat is pretty moot when you're attacking with Steel and Ghost respectively...
>>26568586
Psychic/Steel is not a useful attacking type at all. It could manage to still be good but we know the typing and ability are a bust and we know legendaries are perfectly capable of bum stats as well. And Even with good stats with bad typing and ability, all that's left is movepools
What could it get that would make it amazing? Maybe some new moves I guess. Sunsteel Strike just seems like a mostly generic powerful STAB move.
>>26568946
That ended after Gen 4
>>26568896
>only two weaknesses
>will probably get annihilated by said weaknesses
Lunala probably want a scarf or LO more
>>26567009
Unless Solgaleo gets Flare Blitz or something for Steels, it'll be OU.
>>26569005
Sunsteel Strike has the Mold Breaker ability attached to it, negating any and all defensive Abilities. The fact it also one-shot an equal-level Salamence indicates it has high base power.
>>26568586
>Look how many other 4x weak Pokemon are OU thanks to stats, Abilities, movepool, etc.
None of them have two x4 weakness. A x4 weakness to Dark is already super fucking bad given the amount of trapping/disrupting moves Dark has at its disposal. Putting a second 4x weakness on top of is just a plain overkill.
Actually, there has never been a viable Pokemon (OU and above) with two 4x resists as far as memory serves me. And I've been playing competitive Pokemon since gen 3.
>>26569194
>two 4x resists
two 4x weaknesses*
>>26569194
How many mons even have 2 4x weaknesses? Seems like a short list.
>>26569194
As long as it has something to deal with Dark-types, such as Moonblast (which it very likely will get), the weaknesses don't really matter. It already looks like a fast special attacker anyway.
>>26569237
>Aggron family
>Bastiodon family
>Parasect family
>Probopass
>Leavanny family
>Aurorus family
Off the top of my head. With the exception of Leavanny, all of those Pokemon are built to take hits or spread status.
>>26569237
From the top of my head
Aggron
Auroras
Parasect
Hoopa Confined
All of those Rock/Ground shitmons
And now Lunala
A great company to be in
>>26569291
>>26569341
And Grass Wormadam
>>26569341
>>26569407
These too, thanks
>>26569295
Don't forget Hoopa-C, the only mon with 2 4x weaknesses and legend stats. Granted, the stat distribution is too fucked up on Hoopa. So we still don't have anything with really optimized stats and moves and that many weaknesses to judge with. If Lunala gets a boosting move like Nasty Plot and good speed, it'll fuck OU up.
>>26567414
>her
anyways it depends on it's bloated states and movepool and it's most likely going to be Uber, just like every fucking box legendary.
>>26567009
Lunala will do fine as long as they keep it fast and offensive. Psychic/Ghost is a bad defensive typing but it's a great offensive typing, the only thing it needs is Focus Blast to hit Dark types with.
Mega Diancie will be a great partner for it in Ubers since it can keep hazards from breaking Shadow Shield and scares out Yveltal. Throw in a bulky Yveltal of your to check Mewtwo, Mega Gengar, and other Lunala, and you've already got half a team going.
>>26569237
Every Rock/Ground type is 4x weak to water and grass. Every Steel/Rock type is 4x weak to Ground and Fighting, every Grass/Bug is weak to flying and fire. Fire/Rock is weak to Water and Ground. Rock/Ice is weak to Steel and Fighting. And Psychic/Ghost was already mentioned.
That's a good number of Pokemon considering how many exist in each of those categories. You'd think at least one of them could be good.
>>26569462
>If you count it as one, Kyurem-Black is the only box legendary to not be Uber
What a disgraceNo, Suicune doesn't count.
>>26567009
>no STAB for Sunsteel Strike
It is most likely a steel attack then...
>>26568696
>Both are Psychic types
Face it, they're doomed to fail.
>>26569503
Are there any other potential typings that could get 2 4x?
>>26569588
Yep, just like Mewtwo and Lugia.
>>26569617
Welp, let's find out.
>>26569617
Ice/Steel
>>26569462
A lot of box legends don't have bloated movepools. Look at Zekrom and Reshiram which pretty much only get STAB. I think only the Gen 4 dragons get insane coverage. And Raylmao is the only box dragon with Dragon Dance.
>>26569662
And Poison/Rock apperentely
>>26569662
Ice/Steel has Fire and Fighting
Anything else ? I'm tired
>>26567157
>being THIS stupid
It has literally "steel" in the attack's name.
SunSTEEL strike
>>26569617
Ice Bug, and Ice Steel
>>26567009
they won't be psychic forever
>>26569588
Psychic is a standard typing for big Pokemon, it's fine.
>>26569441
Lunala will probably end up answering whether Pokemon with 2 4x weaknesses could ever be good or not, considering rarely anything surpasses box legends
>>26569716
Actually, scratch that, Poison doesn't share any weaknesses with Rock other than Ground
>>26569683
So basically you have to have a shit type like Rock, Psychic, Bug, or Ice to get 2 4x weaknesses.
>>26569759
>Psychic is their primary type
They're probably Psychic forever, according to muh patterns
>>26569341
Celebi, Exeggcute, Snover and the latter two mons' evos.
>>26569759
>muh Cosmic type
End yourself
>>26567009
they get a third type you moron
>>26569759
>>26569795
And they haven't changed any legends to Fairy, either. Despite having a moon Duck.
>>26569795
>what is Swablu
:^)
>>26569717
Normal/Rock is 4x weak to Fighting.
>>26567073
>unintuitive typing
So you're basically an idiot that can't get nuance.
>>26569709
Zekrom and Reshiram make it up by hititng really fucking hard as well as having great STAB in the first place.
I wouldn't be surprised if both Moongeist and Sunsteel both have 150 Base Power.
>>26569846
We're talking about having two 4x here, Anon. Come on.
>>26569843
Swablu isn't Psychic-type, dicksmooch.
>>26569868
It ends up losing both its types, is my point.
>>26569863
Oh, sorry. I didn't notice that part. How about Ice/Bug with Rock and Fire?
>>26569898
>>26569843
Swablu is always Normal/Flying
I don't fucking care about legendaries because their levels are always high and ruin the in game experience and you can't use them in wifi battles so i don't see why you all care so much.
>>26567346
A), you're a moron
B), the typing is fantastic on all accounts.
>>26569818
Wrong
>>26569946
As it evolves, smartass.
It proves GameFreak can go as far as making a Pokémon lose its original dual type down the line.
>>26570039
No one is talking about evolution
>>26569818
>2 (two) x4 weaknesses
>>26570059
Nice reading comprehension you got there.
We were talking about the box legends potentially losing their primary type, and as a matter of fact there is a precedent for this happening.
>>26570158
No there isn't.
>>26570183
;^)
>Solgaleo is not fire type
>Lunaala is not fairy type
Explain.
>252 Atk Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 120+ Def Multiscale Lugia: 176-210 (42.3 - 50.4%) -- 37.5% chance to 2HKO after sandstorm damage
That's Lunaala with Lugia's stat distribution. It would be able to escape weaker Pursuits (read: not Banded), come back afterwards and Roost off the damage back to full as long as hazards are removed (inb4 doesn't get reliable recovery = instant shitmon).
Until we know their stat distributions and movepool we won't be able to tell whether they could be potentially balanced in OU environment (gen 7 OU, mind you; unless GF retcons mega evolutions we can expect even more power creep). But given the typings alone we can safely assume they're going to be shit in Ubers environment.
>mold breaker on what are probably steel and ghost type moves
WEW
>>26570220
Marshadow, the Eclipse pokemon, will be Dark/Fire.
>>26567009
Solalgeo's move is called sunsteel strike, I wouldn't put it above them to make a dual type move.
>>26570232
The "Mold Breaker" attack would have been wonderful for Reshiram and Zekrom so Turboblaze/Teravolt could be their own thing.
>>26570158
Where?
>>26570232
Based on its ability to one shot Mence, it probably also has huge base power and some drawback like a hyperbeam clone
>>26570277
If it was Fire-type, it wouldn't have been very effective on that Salamence.
>>26570277
Considering Flying Press does that for both flying and fighting, I could easily see them expanding on that concept in this generation with a bunch of multityped moves. Make Muddy Water fucking part ground already too.
>>26570302
Swablu line
>>26570349
>Make Muddy Water fucking part ground already too.
Does dual Water/Ground hit anything good? Just sounds like an invitation for Levitators
>>26570355
That is evolution, not a retcon like what happened with Fairy.
>>26570227
All that being said, being shit in ubers doesn't mean being balanced for OU use.
>>26570388
It doesn't matter if its good or not. It needs to be ground because of the damn name and animation for it.
>>26570388
If it is Water based, it'll still hit flyers. Immunity depends on the primary type.
>>26570277
Japanese name is Meteor Drive, it's just a Steel-type move
Moongeist Beam (Shadow Ray) is a Ghost-type moive
>>26570391
what about K-B? It's uber statwise
>>26570390
Retconning isn't the only cay to change types, just saying it can be via form/Mega/Primal/Synchro whatever, the same way Groudon gained a type.
>>26570426
WRONG.
Flying Press is affected by both of the opponent's Types, just like every other move. Any other dual-type move will as well, meaning all Flying-types and anything with Levitate will laugh at you as your once-useful Water-type move is now useless against them.
>>26570326
Yeah that will be nice, but the mold breaker thing is almost completly useless.
For the steel one, the only real use it has is hitting through multiscale, shadow shield and wonder guard, which IIRC totals 4 pokemon. All the good mons with sturdy are also steels so that's irrelevant, and as far as I'm aware mold breaker doesn't negate iron barbs or rough skin so it won't even help there.
The only way it will help is if we get a load of new mons with a steel/ghost immunity ability.
>>26570408
I was just curious. Though it does hit Steel types without needing extra coverage.
>>26570469
One example. Reshiram is total garbage in Ubers but would hand ORAS OU its own ass.
>>26570508
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mold_Breaker_%28Ability%29
Yeah, Mold Breaker is such a useless ability.
>>26567009
STEEL IS REAL
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>>26570609
It is. Just not for STEEL and GHOST attacks ONLY.
Lunala is likely to be a 680 BST Pokemon with multiscale.
I'm sorry but depending on how it's stats are spread and if has a typical legendary movepool, it won't be bad.
I HOPE it's bad enough for OU but I seriously doubt it.
>>26570673
Holy shit, was Gane Freak drunk?
>>26567009
>those unoriginal copy-paste abilities
Don't box legendaries usually get shit abilities?
>>26570721
They get a good ability every once in a blue moon
>>26570721
Xerneas/Yvetal had good abilities.
You know, the types make sense under Gamefreak’s rules.
Solgaleo is a steel-clad lion, so Steel type.
Lunala looks like a skeleton, Ghost type then.
They have in common the space theme, and as we all know, for GF space means Psychic.
If lion bro was in gen 5, it would have been a force to be reckon with. Now is just weak to alot of more shit. Hell, even mega metagross isnt doing well
>>26568144
>sneaky pebbles
>Lunala
Wat
>>26570881
Cancels Shadow Guard and has 2 4x weaknesses to types that usually have strong attacks
>>26570752
CARLOS
Not every OU/Ubers pokemon is going to have both Sucker Punch + Pursuit as Moonbat will not be a high tier Uber worth specializing mons for.
Trying to spam SP on Moonbat is going to end in disaster as its either a free switch, or it could buff its defenses as its likely to get Cosmic Power + Roost/Recover. Pursuit is too weak unboosted and most users of it are going to be slower.
With good distribution, it can have a place in Ubers.
>>26567518
There's 1 fire lion evolution line. Unless you also count Entei, but still That is by no means plenty
What is the mininum Lunala's def would have to be to survive a STAB Sucker Punch?
All of you fuckers complaining about the typings and all the other shit that GF has done need to stfu. You fuckers still going to play the fucking game and still going to get excited like a 10 year old fuck. Tired of complainers ruining everything!
STFU
STFU
STFU
>>26569962
x4 damage to dark.
>>26569962
>weavile used knock off
>inb4 pokemon has weaknesses xD
weavile is quie common in OU, fast and knock off hurts real bad. and even mith multiscale, i doubt lunaala would be physically defensive nor faster than weavile
Anybody think this little guy is going to make an appearance, possibly representing the stars?
Solgaleo is going to get Wisp and Morning Sun. Prepare for stall.
>>26574829
>guy
>>26572591
>252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Hoopa: 330-393 (81.6 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I gave it 100/100/100 defenses which is fairly low for a box legend. As long as Shadow Shield is up the only thing that can OHKO it with Sucker Punch is Yveltal.
>>26572562
Litleo/Pyroar, Flareon, Houndour/Houndoom, Growlithe/Arcanine, Entei.
The abilities would be great if they prevented stat drops from moves like Superpower and Overheat in addition to enemy stat-dropping moves/abilities.
Of course, if they did that, they probably would have shown it.
I really hope that the signature moves have 100 accuracy and 140+ base power, otherwise there's really just no point.
Should we be concerned about Lunala being faster than Gengar? It might mean that it's goimg to be a fragile speedster.
>>26569962
>the typing is fantastic on all accounts.
>Ghost/Psychic is a "fantastic" typing
no
>Instagibbed by any ghost, which are all either have fast STAB or carry shadow sneak
>Instagibbed by the incredibly common knock off, pursuit, and sucker punch
>Only resists poison and psychic, while being immune to normal and fighting
Fighting types often carry dark-type coverage, as do many poison types. Lots of normal types use things like Shadow Claw, Knock Off, or Sucker Punch for coverage. Everything in the game will still be able to hit it for at least neutral via coverage, so it can never switch in (or out) safely.
The only possible way for this to be workable is if it's really, really fast, to outspeed everything that would OHKO it in its own priority tier, and strong enough to OHKO in return. Easy to RK, at best you're going to trade.
>>26567285
>Reshiram/Zekrom
What are the odds that we get double signature moves again?
>>26567694
Assuming Shedinja runs a focus sash like always...
Shedinja probably can take Lunaala in a 1-on-1 fight. That is just sad.
>>26576940
It outsped Gengar in the video so it has a good amount of speed on it.
>>26567009
>Full Metal Body
Useless ability for a legendary.
>>26577152
Hardly. Gen IV cover legends come to mind (excpt Giratina-O).
>>26568254
>OU
at best UU , probably in s-rank RU
>>26569077
A few hypothetical calcs I ran.
Based on the HP listed, Solgaleo has in the neighborhood of 140-155 base hp, depending on the IV/EV spread that one had.
Assuming Sunsteel strike is special, and both Solgaleo and Salamence had average IVs and random evs
A neutral base 120 move with stab coming off of 150 base special attack does 67% max.
A Base 150 under the same conditions does 91% max.
Buffing Solgaleo's hypothetical SpA to 180 makes base 120 deal 79%, and base 150 deal 107% with a 43% chance to OHKO.
Either Solgaleo hits hard as fuck, or Sunsteel Strike hits as hard as V-Create.
It seems like the only real use of the mold breaker aspect of the moves is for circumventing damage-mitigating moves like marvel scale/filter, evasion-boosting abilities like sand veil, and Unaware. Unaware really isn't that big of a deal in Ubers due to the presence of Mold Breaker mons anyway, but it's not a bad bonus.
>>26577243
>meteor attack
>literally rams into them
>special
really?
>>26577243
I'm going to guess 130BP Signature move coming off 150 base attack, same as Zekrom.
>>26577275
I used special because it would lowball the calculations, and remove Intimidate from the equation.
Being a physical attack puts an extra 40 points of defence under mence's belt, plus a possible -50% to Solgaleo's attack stat.
Either Solgaleo hits hard as fuck and has a special attack that looks physical, or Solgaleo is hitting physically so hard that it literally gives zero fucks what you put in front of it.
>>26577390
Ignore the 40 extra points of defence I mentioned. I looked at Mega 'mence the second time. My bad.
>>26577390
>plus a possible -50% to Solgaleo's attack stat.
Solgaleo have normal attack because its ability nullifies intimidate. Also, it would be -33%, not -50%.
>>26577390
Solgaleo is unaffected by Intimidate.
>>26577359
Unless EV's and IV's have been manipulated (Not impossible to make the cover legendary look good), it wouldn't ohko, doing only 97% max.
Unless there is some other factor at work here, whether an effect of Sunsteel strike or Solgaleo's ability, either Leo-Zord is crazy strong or his move is.
>>26577424
>>26577452
Shit, you're right. Carry on then.
>>26577477
The Salamence has an HP IV of 0 and no HP EVs.
>>26567180
Marshadow?
>>26577130
Or they just skipped Gengar's turn because it was only there to show off Lunala's move
>>26570483
Flying press doesn't affect ghosts?
>>26577943
6 names were trademarked sometime ago by Nintendo/The Pokemon Company. 3 of those were the Japanese starter names, the other two were the two box legends (as just confirmed today). The last one was "Marshadow," highly likely to be the third legend to go along with Solgaleo and Lunala.
Or maybe not, since the third legend usually isn't even discussed until much later in the gen. I don't know what else it would be, though.
>>26567009
>clear body
>multiscale
>not good abilities
nigga please
GF is probably doing this just so they have an excuse to give them alternate formes. They're probably saving all the good stuff for said alternate formes.
>>26578980
They were technically not filed by Nintendo/TPC, but 3rd party lawyers.
Why is psychic the default type for legendaries
>>26579099
My mistake. All I remembered was people somehow knew they were Pokemon trademarks.
>>26570271
*The Eclipsene Pokémon
>>26579105
People complained about Dragon
>>26579105
Gen 1 Lore
>tfw expected Lunala to be Dark/Psychic or Dark/Fairy
>Hoopa clone
fuck me that's an awful typing I'm disappointed.. it'll get utterly raped by priority
and Solgaleo is a Jirachi type clone, not even unique
>>26579173
Literally only Lugia has been a Psychic box legend before this. I guess you can count Mewtwo if you want to go with it being the "main" legend of Gen 1.
That said, all the other fucking legends are overwhelmingly psychic. And flying type, for some reason. Guess getting five in Gens 1 and 2 gave them a hefty start. And we didn't get Dragon legends until Gen III, and they caught up real fucking quick too.
>only one bug Legend still
>STILL NO FUCKING POISON LEGENDS
>>26567518
>but not heaps of psychic legendaries
oh my anon
>>26579243
*Hoopa-confined clone
forgot to mention I expected Solgaleo to be Fire/Psychic
>>26579243
...you're aware that Dark/Psychic is ALSO a Hoopa clone on top of Malamar clone, right?
>dead on arrival
You mean, JUST shitty enough I can use them in OU like Kyurem-Black. Fantastic.
>>26579288
>>26579276
I forgot what Hoopa-C was called for a moment. I would have rather liked a Hoopa-Unbound typing
>>26579288
I'd rather it be a Hoopa-Ubers clone than a Hoopa-Cuck clone
>>26579386
Being Uber doesn't stop Supah Hoopa from being extremely vulnerable to Dark moves. At least this thing doesn't die in one hit if hazards aren't out.
>>26579479
Soopah hoopa is neutral to dark
>>26568741
I'd go with Fire/Dark for extra Irony
>Sun legendary is weak to fire
>Moon legendary is weak to dark
>>26579490
Not with that defense.
>>26569831
You mean what the "leaker" said despite getting the typings wrong on the legendaries. Yeah im sure he wasnt lying about that
>solgaleo is could run sunsteel strike/meteor mash, zen headbutt, flare blitz, morning sun, will-o-wisp
>people think it's going to be bad
solgaleo is probably going to be pretty damn good
>>26569470
Lunala already gets Moonblast, and that with STABs gives it unresisted coverage.
At least I hope it does, it would be pants-on-head retarded if the Moone Pokemon doesn't get any of the moon-based moves.
>>26577530
So did Solgaleo it's common for Pokemon in vids like this to have 0 ivs/evs and i think netural natures too.
>Play doubles
>Down to Heliolisk and Solgaleo, both at very low health, against a Volt Absorb Lanturn
>Only have PP left on Sunsteel strike which is resisted and Electric moves on heliolisk, which only heal it
>use electrify on Solgaleo and then Sunsteel Strike on the Lanturn for the KO
truly, a very useful move
>>26579685
A Steel type with a strong STAB and probably good stats can't be bad. It'll check Xerneas at the very least.
>>26577042
In what universe is Shedinja going to be able to take on another ghost type 1v1? And sad how? Shedinja can already take on Kyogre, Palkia, Xerneas, Mewtwo, Dialga and Deoxys depending on the variants.
>>26569028
Not him, but I'unno; WP gives it a boost after Shadow Shield weakens a SE hit, nb for a sweep set up if the cards are right.
i wonder waevile with beat up can 1hko Mr moon?
>>26579248
>No Poison legends.
good to see /vp/ is retarded again, as usual
I will admit those abilities are copypaste-tier, but it's not like either of them are bad. steel/psychic and ghost/psychic are still fantastic offensive types given the right stats.
>but muh weavile can one shot it!
why are people this fucking retarded, fucking shaymin-sky sits in ubers right now when your same weavile could take it out with an ice shard, it probably can't even one shot lunala thanks to multiscale 2.0
as for the special moves, they also are shit, but there have been plenty of signature legend moves that are never used
all in all though with summer literally here i understand that this board degrades even further
So wait, is Full Metal Body just Clear Body? Or is it supposed to be better than that?
>>26582019
Just that.
>>26580194
>Turn 1
Shedinja used Shadow Sneak! It's super effective!
Lunaala used Moongeist or whatever
It is. It's Super effective!
Shedinja held on with it's focus sash!
Turn 2
Shedinja used Shadow Sneak!
I's super effective!
Lunaala fainted!
Shedinja pimp-walked back to it's ball!
>>26569962
4x weak to Dark
4x weak to Ghost
Tyranitar, Weavile, Gengar, Bisharp, Aegislash Giratina, Darkrai and Yveltal will all have easy pickings, especially with Stealth Rocks breaking its Multiscale.
Seriously:
>weak to Knock Off
>Weak to Pursuit
>Weak to Sucker Punch
>Weak to Shadow Sneak
It can't even attack or switch out of a Dark type without worry. It has to play a guessing game.
>>26583541
Just like Yveltal allows Xerneas to switch in for free and use geomancy/kill Yveltal with moonblast.
Just because a Pokemon has a weakness, even if its 4x, it doesnt immediately mean its shit. If anything, Lunaala might be a great Arceus-normal counter, especially if it gets will-o-wisp. It would also help it to deal with the attacks you have mentionned.
The thing is, though, we dont know shit about what stats/attacks it will get, so saying it will be shit now is pointless.
>>26583541
Don't forget Beat Up.
>>26584485
Normal Arceus already almost always carries Shadow Claw for Giratina.
The current problem Lunaala seems to be facing is that it is incredibly weak to things that are already very common. Dark/Ghost coverage is already very common for Mewtwo, Giratina, Lugia, Arceus-Ghost, Gengar-M, and the odd Shedinja. Pursuit-trapping is just something that is done, Knock-Off and Hazards, while not as ubiquitous as in lower tiers, are still everywhere, and both Sucker Punch and Shadow Sneak are some of the most common priority moves in ubers.
Lunaala will be stepping into a metagame that already almost perfectly counters it by pure coincidence.
Granted, we don't know very much about its stats or ability yet, but it has a very tough welcoming party waiting for it, before the meta even adapts to it.
>>26568198
Grass doesn't equal plant you stupid autist
>4x weakness to knock off
Hello PU
I wanted a Ghost/Fairy type for fuck's sake. It could've been a zombie butterfly, but I guess we're back to the retarded psychic legendary barrage like gens 3 & 4. I assume Lunala has the ability in order to mitigate the 4x weaknesses as Dragonite does, yes?
It's like they knew the typing would suck so they gave it an ability to defend their retarded typing.
Solgaleo is super weak to Groudon, but provides another good Xerneas check, possibly counter if he has good Special Defense to go with that HP.
Calc is base 150 HP, 100 Special Defense.
>+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Solgaleo: 290-342 (65.7 - 77.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Up inj the air whether or not he'll be worth a damn. I'm optimistic.
Lunala has two 4x weaknesses, and doesn't really bring anything new to Ubers. I doubt it's a faster than Mega Gengar or Mewtwo. It probably isn't as bulky as Lugia, and has a much worse defensive typing. Darkrai, Mega Gengar, Giratina, Yveltal, hell even Sableye will give this guy a really hard time.
It's only hope is that it gets Focus Blast and can outspeed Vanilla Gengar. At least then it has killer coverage, and has a notable edge over the current best Ghost.
>>26584871
Solgaleo will join in too, because of its Fail/Steel typing and Lame ability
>>26585111
>Being Intimidate proof is lame.
>When the best Mega in Ubers uses it before sweeping.
Sure thing lad.
>>26568593
This
>>26568312
Except Shedinja and Clear Smog Chandelure are the best Xerneas counters, anon..
>>26584973
>the retarded psychic legendary barrage like gens 3 & 4
The thing with those is none of those were the box legends. Hopefully, if there is more than one more legendary plus the events, they won't be psychic. The third legend is likely to be psychic, though, given how these trends work.
But yes, Lunala being psychic is kinda dumb. Even pure ghost would've been better. I don't much mind that it isn't dark or water or whatever other type people feel a moon type needs to be, mostly because it's tiresome that mons need to be a certain type if they're related to something, especially with Water-types. But We have so many psychic legends as is, and if they're not going to give them interesting new abilities, they could've at least made the types more interesting.
>>26569662
Ice/Steel and Ice/Bug are the only ones left.
I remember when people thought Yveltal wouldn't be good enough for Ubers
>>26569407
and sewadloovanny line
>>26575561
>Flareon, Houndour/Houndoom, Growlithe/Arcanine
>Fire Lions
kill yourself dumbass
>>26567009
Shadow Shield is Multiscale and Full Metal Body is Clear Body. Unless it has additional effects or different modifiers GF wouldn't have just made outright dupes of existing abilities (they dumped Cacophony).
But I guess at this point it's just wishful thinking on my part.
>>26586323
>Unless it has additional effects or different modifiers GF wouldn't have just made outright dupes of existing abilities
Teravolt and Turboblaze are not only exact copies of each other introduced at the exact same time, they're both a refluffed Mold Breaker. We have seen this happen in a worse way before.
>>26567399
>Why the fuck is Solgaleo not Fire type. Fucking 0.5% of the sun is made of metal
'Cuz Solgaleo's design is a Lion fused with a nano-machine Spacesuit, rather than a Lion clad in Fires of the Sun.
>>26585696
Yveltal didn't suffer from two 4x weaknesses or redundant STAB combination
It also had an arguably superior ability and signature move
>there are "people"
>on /vp/
>right now
>who ACTUALLY
>LEGITIMATELY
>TRULY
>give more than one tenth of a shit about box legendaries
That ubers meta, am I right? So much fun.
>>26585064
Don't forget that Solgaleo looks to be the physically offensive one of the duo, so Sunsteel Strike won't be affected by Geomancy's SpDef boost. The Clear Body clone actually comes in handy here since it will make him immune to Intimidate from the likes of Salamence and Lando-T. Finally Solgaleo won't take up your Mega slot, so it's safe to say it won't be outclassed by Mega Metagross (it already beats normal Metagross to pulp). If it also gets access to all the cool fire moves like Flare Blitz, Morning Sun and Will-O-Wisp for that lore/coverage we might have a pretty powerful mon in our hands. Sure, the Primal Groudon weakness is unfortunate but thats something every Steel type has to deal with.
>>26567009
Diddums. At least they can't be as bad as reshiram.
>>26586442
It somehow finds a way to be more cancerous each generation.
>Mewtwo vs mewtwo; who can mewtwo the mewtwoest.
>Sleepy birds and snorlax: the musical.
>Dude drizzle lmao
>Dude scarf drizzle lmao: We totally needed a second lugia.
>Dude scarf drizzle lmao 2: Zekrom is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need.
>Fall of the dude scarf drizzle lmao. Deer lord.
>>26586442
Ubers used to be my favorite meta when I still gave a shit about smogon, and I love most legendaries. Solgaleo is the best design to come out of gen 7 so far.
>>26586517
Surely ORAS saw the return of the Drizzle? Or were things so fucked up by then, power creep-wise, that it didn't really matter that an even stronger version of Drizzle, stronger than the original endless version, existed?
>>26586535
Drizzle is nice and all but desolate land blows it the fuck out.
Primal groudon is at 70%+ usage.
>>26586535
Why would drizzle matter when there's a weather that completely evaporates its sole weakness
Groudon's usage is insane now
>>26586535
Original pre-nerf Drizzle was all around a better ability since it not only could be run with a useful item (Scarf Water Spout comes to mind) but also provided a massive boost to your entire team if you build it correctly.
>>26586541
>>26586549
>>26586554
Derp, yeah. I wanted to ask about weather wars in general, but since Drizzle dominated the older gens, I sort of focused on that. I also forgot you have to give up an item slot.
Desolate Land definitely got the bigger boost of the two.
>>26577243
There is of course going to be some manipulation in stats and buffs to ensure that Solgaleo one shots that Salamence.
You're not going to show off a new Pokémon and new move that you want to look powerful by having it fail to take something out.
>>26567009
>implying sun steel strike is a fire type move
It would have said not very effective on salamance, try harder
>lunalaa
Lets take a reasonable assumption. A special attacker with high (for ubers) speed.
So something like
110/100/100/140/120/110 isn't unreasonable. Or around about.
Another reasonable assumption is that it will learn moonblast, and possibly nasty plot, if not definitely calm mind. Add roost.Moonlight if not roost. Which is boosted by sun, the weather of choice.
The last reasonable assumption is that Moongeist Beam is ghost type move, and strong enough to be relevant, so lets say 95 BP.
So with this you can make a set of:
-Moongeist Beam
-Moonblast
-Roost/Moonlight
-Nasty plot/Calm mind
>Ghost/Fairy coverage only resisted bypyroar.
>Can roost or set up on sucker punch faggots and moonblast them into next Tuesday.
>Can recover to abuse not!multiscale.
>Cucks both the great walls of ubers (giratina and lugia, especially lugia as it ignores multiscale with its sig move.) as well as hitting groudon on its weaker defence.
Not xerneas tier but not irrelevant. Sorta like Dialga or Zekrom in terms of ubers relevance.
>Solageo
The logical conclusion is the inverse of Lunalaa statwise, so 110/140/120/100/100/100 or something like this. Speed is more than likely going to be 90 however, so I will assume it is.
Next logical conclusion is its sig move being steel type and physical, a clone of Lunalaas.
Next conclusion is it'sgoing to have a shit movepool, it's a lion. Swords dance if it's lucky.Fire moves as well, possible even flare blitz.
Could function as a nice stop to xerneas. Much like how palkia always was a stop to kyogre. Just gets memed on by groudon though, not looking so hot.
>>26579946
>>Play doubles
>>Down to Heliolisk and Solgaleo, both at very low health, against a Volt Absorb Lanturn
>>Only have PP left on Sunsteel strike which is resisted and Electric moves on heliolisk, which only heal it
>>use electrify on Solgaleo and then Sunsteel Strike on the Lanturn for the KO
>truly, a very useful move
Literally wat
>>26568741
>Fighting
>Super effective on Solgaleo
m8...
>>26586867
It's signature move has inbuilt Mold Breaker
>>26586723
>get hit by entry hazard
>85% of the meta hits it with a 4x effective move to OHKO it
I doubt it will even be in ubers
>>26586723
Even with those defenses, it'd die to things like Beat Up, Foul Play, Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch as quickly as Confined Hoopa does.
>>26569341
Don't forget
Garchomp
Dragonite
Tyranitar
Gyrados
Flygon
Salamance
And many others
>>26588256
Do people STILL not know what is specifically being bitched about here? It's not having one x4 weakness, it's having two. That doesn't make it dead on arrival, but it is more of hurdle, especially for common coverage moves.
>>26588256
Garchomp and Dragonite only have a single 4x weakness, Ice. In fact that applies to all the Pokemon you listed.
Are you clinically retarded or something?
>>26567009
This post again.
Steel type cause stars radiate metals
Ghost type cause muh edgy spoopy moon
If anything, Lunaalas types are less logical and more flavor
>>26588327
/thread
>>26579248
Steel is also going up fast, we already have two new steel legendary this gen
>>26588327
There's also the fact that, given their lore on the site, they aren't supposed to be LITERALLY the sun and moon. They're Pokemon associated with the Sun and Moon, by devouring it or summoning it respectively. There's an in universe lore for what they do that's not them being spacial deities. They're not like Volcarona, where their lore is like a myth where the animal is an actual representation of the celestial body. It's more like myths about a wolf that eats the moon.
This will probably factor into their in game story and the evil Team's plot, no doubt. It's nice to have super rare Pokemon that are super strong but not literally the God of something.
