>4X weak to Ice
>resisted by Steel
>stats are around 520-535
P-please save it, /vp/
Thats Litten's breakfast theres no saving it. Just put it out of its misery.
thick fat?
>>26537685
It's already confirmed to get Gale Wings and Hurricane stop worrying
"It is also able to fly silently and attack with powerful kicks."
>tfw High Jump Kick
>>26537723
Good luck with that. Will probably miss 9/10 times.
>>26537685
HP: 70
ATK: 110
DEF: 70
SP ATK: 80
SP DEF: 70
SPEED: 120
Ability: Gale Wings
Gets HJK as coverage. It's a bit minmaxed but there no other ways to save it
>>26537685
Put that thing in here
>>26537685
HP: 60
ATK: 100
DEF: 80
SP ATK: 100
SP DEF: 70
SPEED: 110
Ability: Gale Wings
I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing.
>>26537685
HP: 80
Atk: 100
Def: 70
Sp Atk: 110
Sp Def: 70
Speed: 100
Grass/Ground
Ability:Overgrow
>>26537685
HP 105
Atk 70
Def 67
SpA 104
SpD 72
Spe 112
I went for a realistic 530.
>>26537802
>high s.atk
Why
>>26537829
Leafage is more telling of its leaning toward a Special prowess.
>>26537836
Man I don't know, Mudkip knows Water Gun when you get it in ORAS but Swampert is more physical-oriented.
Can't wait for grass starter to get cucked sixth time in a row
>>26537836
>its an anon who thinks Leafage isn't Physical episode
Get that bag of crows ready.
>>26537838
Yeah but they chose to introduce Leafage now of all times. They made it match in Kalos, the most recent gen, with Vine Whip, Ember, Bubble. Hoenn's were an old set.
>>26537685
>>26537723
Source?
>>26537871
Source on what? We already know it's grass/flying and all starters have the same BST. The retard with gale wings and hurricane is obviously baiting
>>26537685
Depends on movepools and abilities, not just typing. Skymin had a 90% ban rating when it was sent to Ubers in Gen 4, and the two other Grass/Flying types have problems all over the place.
>>26537836
Leafage is probably the grass version of ember and water gun. A weak special stab that they give to the starters.
>>26537685
HP:70
ATK:111
DEF:70
SP ATK:65
SP DEF:75
SPD:109
Ability: Reckless
Gains Brave Bird, High Jump kick, Leaf Blade, Leech Seed, Wood Hammer and Swords Dance
Never ever-tier?
>>26537840
>implying Snek wasn't the best starter from Gen V
>implying Sceptile wasn't great before the Physical/Special split
>>26537685
HP:90
>Defences and HP stats allow it to take Choice specs Keld stabs without being 2HKO'd with a little HP investment. Sp.Def version can tank Latios Draco as well.
ATK:42
Def:80
SP.ATK:110
>Allows it to hit as hard as TornT Access to leaf storm makes it shit on Diancie and T-Tar, Hurricane deals with the rest.
SP.Def:80
Spe:130
>Outspeeds talonflame and other relevant treats that depend on HP ice to revenge kill it.
>Enough to outspeed Latis,Keldeo and other base 110's
Ha: Gale Wings
Total: 530
Basically shittier TornT with gale wings and grass stab.
>>26537977
82/95/95/70/80/113
Ability: Predator (Draining attacks deal 50% more damage)
Gets Horn Leech, Flying-type equivalent of Drain Punch, HJK, Bulk Up, Sword Dance, Leech seed, Roost, Brave Bird and Wood Hammer
It wont get outside of RU but i think it would be cool.
>>26537685
>4x weak to Ground
>resisted by Water
>speed will probably be slow as shit
P-please save it, /vp/
>>26538295
600 bst
>>26537840
>Implying Venasaur wasn't and still isn't a major threat under the sun
>Implying Mega-Venasaur isn't top tier mega
>Implying Cheznaught is not a fantastic wall
Relevant starters:
Fire
>Zard (megas only)
>Blaziken
>Infernape
Water
>Blastoise (mega only)
>Ferraligotr
>Swampert
>Empoleon
>Greninja
Grass
>Venasaur (plus it's mega)
>Sceptile (mega only)
>Serp
>Chesnaught
Looks like fire is the one being cucked here to me anon. And seeing how water is the best type in the game, I don't think winning by only 1 mon over grass means much. In fact it is quite surprising how well off grass starters are.
>>26537685
95
90
67
105
67
111
535
Hidden Ability: Solar Power
Access to Growth
>>26538335
This is the most autistic thing I've read today.
>>26538335
>Implying Cheznaught is not a fantastic wall
I don't think that walls that die in one hit to literally anything can ever be considered fantastic.
>>26538379
Then why is it UU?
>inb4 muh self imposed rules
>>26538372
Note sure how making a fact based list is autistic but I take it your not the type to read much so I can understand where you are coming from. I also suppose I would be triggered if somebody btfo my argument like that too.
>>26538133
Sceptile was shit before the split. Leaf Blade was laughably weak and Leafstorm wasn't a thing.
>>26537685
I'm sure Rowlet's evolution will be good in a tier appropiate to its powerlevel.
Like NU
>>26538379
When you throw an exaggeration into your complaint it makes me take you less seriously. Chesnaught is great at standing up to Sand offense, walls Edge-Quake, and is quite literally the best defensive Fighting type in the game (barring Ubers). The only one that comes close is Infernape.
>>26538545
Keep doing you. Getting tired of these dumbasses who talk shit and then defer to buzzword replies when you give them reasoning.
Galewings (or an even more broken ability that hasn't even been introduced yet)
>>26537685
If he get's bravest burd wings he can still be good.
>>26538295
You forgot all of the resists. And not being weak to SR.
>>26537685
Don't worry, it'll be ground type
Just give it Reckless with High Jump Kick, Brave Bird and Wood Hammer with a 100 Attack and 110 Speed. There.
>pokemon will never be aboutt he journey to become the best
>Its all about STATS, egg breeding, saving the world without a choice
>>26539260
>without a choice
so you'd rather not save the world? what a cunt
100/130/60/80/60/100
Tough Claws
Learns HJK, wood hammer, roost and brave bird.
There you go.
Give it spore and it's guaranteed OU.
>>26537685
>Hidden Ability: Ice breaker
>makes it immune to Ice attack
check mate
>Gale Wings
>on every flying type
when will this meme die
>>26539278
I don't understand how you can choose to save the world when you could join the team of your version and just become the boss thanks to your skill and achieve something bigger than their initial objective
Anyone have that pic of Rowlett with the JUST hair?
There's always a way. Talonflame would be shit without Gale Wings. Rowlet could get something just as nice.
>>26538335
What is a "Ferraligotr"?
>>26537685
Why the fuck do you act like a 4X weakness to Ice is a big fucking deal? Literally dozens upon dozens of decent and goodmons have 4X weaknesses.
>>26539282
Not gonna get Spore, it's not mushroom-based.
>>26539565
This is Ferraligotr.
Be nice to him.
>>26537685
A good movepo- oh wait grass type.
>>26537685
>cntrl+f
>no huge power
/vp/ disgusts me
>>26539773
When you can spam 100 power moves off 600 bst and have a top tier ability a 4x weakness can be worth it.
It's gonna get unburden, sorry gale wings bros.
>>26537685
Maybe it'll evolve into a real bulky fat bird that can learn Earthquake.
Make Rowlet turn into an Owlbear with Huge Power and high defense. Problem solved.
>>26537685
Give it Spore. Then it will be OP as fug
Make Litten Fire/Fighting so he has a chance against him at least.
>>26537685
Ice types are so easy to deal with because they have no resistance other than Ice and have 4 weaknesses. Just give Rowlett steel wing and those pesky Ice types will be less of a problem
>>26540371
Non-stab Steel wing ain't doing shit.
>>26540345
Thats already confirmed
>>26540395
Then buff steel wing to 90 damage instead of 70. I always thought steel wing could be stronger. If they make Rowlet a physical sweeper it could work out. Also they could add some bulk so long as they don't give it any Sp. Atk
>>26539260
Aren't stats and breeding a part of becoming the best?
>>26539354
because i'm not an edgy 12yo
>>26540424
At this point, any move that isn't intentionally a low-level, weaker move with a more powerful variant, or else a weak move with a great effect should get buffed to 80 bp.
>>26537718
Fo reals
Hey guys want to see Rowlet's offensive movepool?
>takedown
>return
>solar beam
>energy ball
>giga drain
>seed bomb
>brave bird
>air slash
>steel wing
>thief
Have fun.
>>26540938
ah, the return of the grass movepool shitmon.
There's a spot next to Meganium and Serperior, if you would, Rowlet. Don't talk to Jumpluff or Cherrim, they aren't exactly "there" if you catch my drift.
>>26537685
LOL
the owel is 2X weak to the cat
and 4X weak to ice beam which Popplio will learn.
Rowlet has the worse defense of the three
>>26537718
This sounds like a good idea without being too broken.
>>26537685
Just wait until Gen 8 comes around with Heat Wave tutor
>>26541226
Still won't learn it because GF will think it doesn't make any sense for a Grass type to learn it.
>>26539164
>People STILL don't know the type chart
>>26537685
Tinted lense
Enough said.
>>26537840
>Implying Venusaur is bad
HP: 70
ATK: 106
DEF: 70
SP ATK: 95
SP DEF: 65
SPEED: 124
I gave it stats similar to greninja, so if it gets a good ability and or decent coverage it may be worth something.
>>26537890
It was sent to users because of it's ability with air slash and seed flare and it's base stat total. Rowlet won't be so lucky.
>>26539518
I legitimately hope this "gale wungz on evey flying type pls" meme will die. But that being said, would ability would make Rowlett good?
>>26538372
>i dont know what to say AUTIST
>>26541404
Make it fast physical sweeper and give it gale wing
>>26541043
LOL
the ninja frig is 2X weak to the hedgheg knight
and 2X weak to signal beam with Delphox will learn
Greninja has the worse defense out of the three
>>26541442
>gale wings
sick meme fampai
>>26541404
All it needs is something like tough claws and good stat distro. Grass stab is actually really nice in OU atm because of motherfucking quagsire.
That said, if this thing is a special attacker, it is guaranteed garbage. Grass special attackers never get movepools
>>26541043
>Implying this has not been the case for literally every grass type starter.
>>26541375
>What is six
tree owl suck
>>26541472
With an attack stat around 120 and speed around 110, tough claws, and a set of leaf blade/phys grass move, brave bird, roost/coverage, and swords dance, how would it do?
Ability: []Delta Stream[\]
>>26541557
Aw fuck / != \.
Brb drinking bleach
>>26541404
I know, I'm hoping it gets something just as nice but not Gale Wings.
>>26541404
>>26541472
Adaptability seems like it would be good too.So does Infiltrator and Intimidate, which would put it in at least UU
But watch GameFreak give it some shit like Early Bird or Keen Eye
>>26541043
>implying ice beam
>implying it won't get some seltzer water attack instead like the clown it is
>>26541550
With Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, HJK, and Roost/Swords Dance it could deal with a lot of the big annoying fat fucks in this meta.
Fucks with Mega Venusaur, fucks with Amoongus, fucks with ferrothorn, fucks with Breloom.
It could potentially be OU assuming SM keeps a similar power level. 120 offensives with tough claws could keep it out of UU though. Could see it being BL depending on its coverage options.
Give it gale wings high speed and either high SPATk or high ATK and got a good sweeper if given a good movepool.
>>26541585
After what they seem to be doing since last gen, they want the starter's hidden ability to be very unique and rare. Which is why all the gen 6 starters had HAs introduced in gen 6 instead of any previous ones. I can imagine the same thing happening to the new starters.
>>26541607
>grass type
>especially a fucking special attacking grass type
>ever getting a good movepool
no
>>26538234
>special attacker "shitting on TTar" without focus blast
That's a good one.
>>26541592
True, superpower seems like it would be more plausible than HJK. Or even cross chop, if theyre sticking with the knife thrower theme
>>26541623
It doesnt need a good movepool, just good stabs and DECENT coverage. See Breloom, its doing fine with spore, bullet seed, mach punch, and rock tomb
>>26541643
The dex description of it says that Rowlet has powerful kicks. I could see it getting a kicking move of some kind. Probably not HJK, but most likely low kick.
>>26537709
Littenfags like you are the most insufferable people on this board.
>>26541661
Technician makes that into a good movepool.
Not to mention just having Spore means something has an amazing movepool.
Grassassin
Grass/Flying
HP: 75
Attack: 105
Defense: 73
Sp.Atk: 70
Sp.Def: 85
Speed: 120
Ability: Overgrow
Hidden Ability: Momentum - This Pokemon's next attack gains +1 priority if it attacks and KOes another Pokemon.
>>26541680
Exactly, its movepool doesnt really matter if it has a good ability. Its stabs alone are good
Cue onslaught of "muh gale wingz"
>>26541641
>180 SpA Life Orb Tornadus-T Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 307-367 (90 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Calc made with Flying/Grass Torn-T, assuming banded/scarf ttar.
Not even max sp.atk.
>>26541723
I run bulky support TTar with ice beam so maybe I'm biased.
>>26537685
Give it Smack Down.
>>26537685
it's the most popular starter, so Game Freak is going to give it a broken ability just like with Greninja
>>26541786
Greninja was programmed to have protean before anyone knew about it. Plus, froakie was hated when the starters were revealed.
>>26541826
Not in Japan. It's was/is insanely popular over there.
>>26540963
Jumpluff has an amazing support movepool. Jumpluff's main problem is prankster exists, at least he has a niche with infiltrator, able to disrupt mons hiding behind a sub.
>>26541826
I still despise Froakie, but liked Frogadier and Greninja. Same with Chikorita vs. Bayleef and Meganium. On the opposite side, I like Chimchar but can't stand Monferno and Infernape.
>>26541826
>implying they didn't know le ninja origami frog would be the most popular Kalos starter
>>26541364
Seriously, Tinted Lens is such a good ability, too bad the only pokemon that get it are either complete shit or get an even better ability.
>>26542354
Tinted Lens would be really good, I just cant imagine Rowlet using it. Then again, pokemon have gotten strange abilities. Plus owls have night vision. Tough claws seems like a better fit
Grass/Flying
Base Stats
75/120/80/65/70/120
Notable moves: Brave Bird, Leaf Blade, Bullet Seed, Brick Break, Night Slash, Low Kick, Acrobatics, Roost, Defog, Swords Dance, X-Scissor, Fury Cutter, Razor Leaf, Double Kick, Aerial Ace, Steel Wing, Feather Dance, Taunt, Drill Peck ,Drill Run, Shadow Sneak, U-Turn, Jump Kick, High Jump Kick
Possible HAs: No Guard, Defiant, Infiltrator, Tough Claws, Compound Eyes
Did I fix it?
>>26537685
>stats are around 520-535
[citation needed]
Muh patterns aren't citation either.
>>26541364
>>26542354
Noctowl gets Tinted lense so this is actually super plausible
>>26542704
Some guy allegedly "leaked" some S&M information yesterday, he said his starter was rowlet and posted its stats at level 43. /vp/ calculated the base states and it came up around that range
>>26542688
That would be the ideal spread, but knowing game freak, it would probably balance the sp.atk and atk stats. Probably around 100 for atk and 80 for sp.atk
>>26542704
>every start thus far has had 520-535 BST
>"nuh uh that doesn't count"
>>26537685
if you insist OP
What if it got an ability akin to Hawlucha's flying press? As in "All ____ (flying?) type moves this pokemon uses also deal ____ (Dark?) damage. Obviously you could interchange between grass/flying/dark in all of the slots. But it would be an interesting co convey a three-type Pokemon without actually doing it, and certainly gives it a good niche.
Hp:95
Attack:90
Defense:110
Special Attack:60
Special Defense:100
Speed:75
Hidden Ability: Wisdom - weaknesses and resistances are treated as an inverse battle
Moves/TMs: Aromatherapy, U-turn, Synthesis, Leaf Blade, Brave Bird, Earthquake, Tailwind, Swords Dance, Bulk Up, Taunt, Defog would be nice but wouldn't happen.
Would make it a great grass support/utility or bulky setup sweeper. Completely counters Talonflame which would give it a niche at the very least.
>>26543363
Interesting. So it would be 4x weak to grass, and 2x to water and fighting, while 1/4 resistent to ice
>>26542377
>>26542354
Noctowl gets Tinted Lens as a HA. A cool enough concept that it almost made me want to use Noctowl. It could absolutely happen to Rowlet.
>>26543363
Littenfags btfo
>>26542792
Here's a screen of potential stats according to the calc (Feel free to mentally truncate the decimals or round or whatever)
>>26537685
Make is Grass/Ground and it will be a Kakapo.
but ice is only 2x effective against grass
>>26537685
>Wanting an overpowered starter to beat easily an already piss easy game
What are you, casual?
>>26546965
>>26546966
>>26540887
stop being a faggot. running TR would be the shit. just gotta have a slightly better mission statement, some ethics, and surprise inspections on team members.
and those Team Flare digs, come on. id join to just be that /fa/
80 Hp
130 Atk
70 Def
40 SpAtk
80 SpDef
130 Spe
Access to brave bird and a new high bp physical grass move + an ability that functions like tinted lens
definitely won't make it OU since there are too many things there that check it / resist it's dual STAB but something like this might help
