>Ash will win the kalos league
>He now has a CHANCE to win because _____
>He has a female Goodra
>>26505852
Look, we all know Ash will lose. It's fate, the question is how far will he get?
>He now has a CHANCE to win because
>>26505896
>we all know Ash will lose
No, we all know Ash will win.
>>26505896
If he does lose it's gonna be the finals.
>Ash and Serena are going to get together!
Ashnimefags have the most hilarious delusions.
>>26505852
>Ash will win the kalos league
>He now has a CHANCE to win because
Memefrog with an evolution that gives a power up that makes mega evolution look weak in comparison
>caring about what happens in a children's chinese cartoon
What the fuck is wrong with this place?
>>26505944
Not only that:
>memefrog stronger than Champion's ace pokemon in mega form
There's literally nothing anyone at the league can do to stop Ash from winning.
>>26505944
You mean the one that makes him faint pretty much every single time?
I guarantee that's how he's going to lose the league. He'll use smogonfrog and end up fainting at the last second and end up disqualifying himself.
>>26505852
Because of Greninjash.
One of three things is going to happen:
1. Ash loses to Alain straight up
2. Ash defeats Alain to become the Kalos Champ
3. League is interrupted by Team Flare
That's it.
>yfw Lysandre ruins the Kalos League right when Ash was about to take down the last of his opponent's Pokemon in the finals
>>26505986
Alain pretty much told Ash he isn't interested in the Kalos League.
>Trevor loses to Alan in the first round (confirmed)
>Tierno loses to Shota in the first round (confirmed)
>Louie and Ayaka will most likely be defeated by Ash in 3vs3 battles
>Shota already beat Ash in their last battle, so his chances of beating Ash again are really low
>Alan has never lost to Ash before, so his chances of winning are 0
Unless they introduce Tobias 2.0 in the middle of the league, there is no way Ash can lose to any trainer in the league
It's likely that Team Flare will attack Lumiose during the league though. The kalos league might be cancelled because of that
>>26506005
The first battle is Alain vs Trevor in Megazard X vs Megazard Y
>>26506014
...? But, Alain hasn't collected any badges. How is he going to be in the league without badges or interest?
>>26505944
>Mega evolution weak
He lost to Alain's Mega Charizard twice.
>>26505960
>memefrog is stronger than Champ's ace
>doesn't stop it from getting worn down from any of her other pokemon if it comes down to it before facing the ace
Calling it here and now.
>>26506024
Current theories include:
1. Timejump between Ash's traveling from Snowbelle to Lumiose allowing for Alain to rush 8 gyms
2. Malva giving Alain special privileges to challenge the league
>>26506026
Yeah, but Ash lost to Paul so many times before finally taking him down during the League.
>>26506026
He lost first time he fought it before he was able to fully master the forme and he was doing pretty well against Alain the second time before he fainted due to desynchronizing.
After this past week and next week's episode, the entire rivalry between the two will be up for grabs since Greninjash will be at unseen levels of power.
Consider that the mega shuriken forme was able to beat the everliving shit out of Diantha until they desynchronized.
>>26506042
>1. Timejump between Ash's traveling from Snowbelle to Lumiose allowing for Alain to rush 8 gyms
>flashback montage shows Alain completely obliterating each gym one by one with his Charizard
Yes, please.
>>26505966
He literally mastered it and won't faint again. Are you this retarded? That was the whole point of "arch" between episode xyz23 and 28. And now he mastered it and now it's in full form instead of incomplete form.
>>26506026
At "50%"
Now he can go at "100%", and maybe more...
>the limit of it's super power being not yet known!
>>26506026
>He lost to Alain's Mega Charizard twice.
ONCE
in their second battle greninja was shown to be a lot stronger than mega charizard and it wasn't even using its full power
>>26506026
>twice
>overpowering it in incomplete form
>match got cancelled because of Ash's heart attack
>greninja losing
LMAO
>>26506069
At 50% Charizard didn't even have to try
100% could possibly pose a challenge.
Or he could just lose again, I mean, he lost to his rival Richie in the league.
Also, the anime has been really inconsistent pretty much all the time so predicting it with logic just doesn't work.
>>26506117
>mentioning the OS league battles
Please no.
The only real inconsistency has been BW with Ash typically losing to a competent trainer since Johto (sans-BW). It's all dependent on Ash's power level.
>>26506117
>Ritche
There were so many variables during that match though. Team Rocket interfered, his Pokemon were worn out, sleeping KO'd his Pokemon, and Charizard ignoring him. That whole episode literally set him up to lose.
>>26506117
>mentioning something that happened like 18 years ago
nigga u serious?
>>26506131
Again, Mega Charizard could just be stronger than 100% Greninja.
We just don't know.
I just don't like Ash at all and want to see him lose again
>Strategy 1: Ash Greninja guarantees victory!!
Ash Greninja can easily pin down the opponent, the limit of its super power being not yet known! Are there really no Pokémon out there that can win against it!?
kekekek, who will BTFO memefrog? Mega Diancie, Mega latios or mega latis?
>>26506153
>just don't know
>when 50% completely overpowered it
But I know who you are already. Here's your (You)
>>26506147
Want me to mention something stupid from recent times? Okay.
Pikachu lost to fucking Snivy
>>26506160
BW was a fucking abortion and considering how shitty it was inbetween DP and XY should tell you all you need to know about taking BW seriously.
>>26505889
>Ash then decides that Goodra should stay behind at its homeland when he saw Goodra happy with its friends and has a tearful goodbye to Ash, hoping to meet again someday.
>>26506153
Greninja in its imperfect forme was more powerful than Alan's mega charizard
There's no way alan an win against the giant water shuriken
So what defense are Ashnimefags going to use when Ash loses the League for the sixth time and abandons everyone that isn't Pikachu, including the Greninja he supposedly bonded with far beyond what he did with Pikachu and the Pokégirl that they all claim will break Ash's eternal celibacy?
Will it be "he got closer than ever, this will be the time for sure!" or "Ash doesn't need to ever win, it's about the journey!"
>>26505952
>he cares about people getting excited over something he doesn't care about in the first place
That's more autistic than those that are excited for it
>>26506160
>recent times
>6 years ago
>BW
>>26506173
Yea, and that day is in two episodes.
>>26506026
Yes because in every fiction, when the MC lose against the antagonist, he never beats him later at the end
>>26505852
Team Flare might attack during the League.
>>26506173
>releasing a goodra
Whats wrong with this kid?
>goodra loved her home blabla
And all other pokemon were rescued by jungle rapists right?
>>26506160
A more recent example would be Mega Lucario seeming invincible the first few times it battled Pikachu, moving so fast that Pikachu couldn't keep up at all, and then somehow Pikachu was able to match up with it just fine in a gym match.
People will come up with all kinds of excuses for why that happened, but that's kind of my point. This show's infamous for being inconsistent with character power levels.
>>26506180
Depends on the context and who he loses to if at all. Not as simple as your basic shitposting.
>>26506233
>match it up
>after getting hit with SE hits from fletchinder and hawlucha
no
>>26506245
>if at all
Ashnimefag spotted.
>>26506233
Ash trained and won. The status quo was defeated. Ash had never defeated a Lucario before, much less with Pikachu.
>>26506248
>Ashnime
Found the origins fag. Go back to your rhyhorn OHKO-ing jolteon you little pussy.
>>26506246
>People will come up with all kinds of excuses for why that happened, but that's kind of my point.
>>26506246
Flechinder got like one Flame Charge against it and Hawlucha didn't land a single hit on it. It was obvious they wanted to make it seem like Pikachu did the bulk of the work.
>>26506254
What kind of training did he do which made it so that Pikachu went from being unable to even see Lucario move to being able to keep up with it in battle? If you're going to claim offscreen training then you could claim the same with every opponent he's going to have in the upcoming league.
>>26506254
>rhyhorn OHKO-ing jolteon
Sounds like the kind of shit the Ashnime would write to make sure Ash loses and they get a few more seasons out of him.
>>26506281
pic related
>>26506274
Dance training with Tierno is one thing, the dude worked hard on matching rhythm with pikachu, even though he abandoned that strategy, but it is also well known that Ash also trains offscreen.
>>26505852
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>>26506305
Can someone figure out how much difference in level a Jolteon would have to be to be one shotted by a Rhyorn's Thunderbolt
>>26506322
That's what you're going to go with? The level defense? Let alone that the person you shitpost is better than Ash sent out a fucking Jolteon against a Rhyhorn?
Please, shut the fuck up and leave the thread since you're only here to spread your autism about how much you hate the canon anime.
>>26506305
You're just proving my point further- Ash spent a bunch of time trying to hone a strategy that he ended up just discarding entirely, so he had even less time for any meaningful training of Pikachu. And again, people referencing some nebulous amount of training Ash does offscreen is my exact point because you can use that excuse for every other character in the show.
You guys keep referencing shit about how M-Charizard and Ash-Greninja matched up the last time they fought but we all know it's almost always irrelevant when it comes to this show because outside of very clear power level "brackets" (which this season have been pretty much destroyed too given that Alain beat Malva and Ash kept up with Diantha in a match), the show has been laughably inconsistent in how characters match up.
>>26506332
I'm not that anon you were talking to, you fucking spaz.
>>26506332
>Getting this defensive about the main anime
Grow up. I did and I just stopped caring my love for the games is wavering at this point.
>>26506305
I'm not even an Originsfag, though I consider it to be miles better than the Ashnime just because it doesn't string you on for 1000 episodes with no ending, even if Red makes stupid choices. I guess you could call me a minor Adventuresfag, since I consider that better than both, but even then I only read up to the end of the Yellow arc.
I just think the Ashnime is the worst thing in th franchise besides the microtransaction games and shovelware like Pokémon Channel.
>>26506111
It's already beaten the Champion's Ace, even while it's Mega, before he even got to the 8th gym. I don't even watch the anime but I can tell now, more than any other time, Ash has the highest chance of winning the league.
Then again, they'll probably introduce some new kid just before the league who uses a Mega Lucario or synchronises with Chesnaught or some shit to beat him.
>>26506360
Adventures is the worst thing
>>26506371
I feel bad for pokefags, the ashnime is their suffering
>>26506370
The battles may have asspulls but I love the old-school art, and having actual rotating protagonists is the best thing a long running series like this can do. I feel it really captures the adventure aspect of Pokémon, while Origins is too truncated and the Ashnime has gone on so long with so few victories that it's impossible to have any hope for it ever again.
>>26506347
Since you are arguing to prove a point, the onus is on you to provide evidence of inconsistencies.
For starters, we have never had any suggestion that any other character does offscreen training in the show outside of rivals who appear with evolved pokemon and full teams. The rational person assumes that the rivals train offscreen because they improve in strength as the season goes on. Otherwise, how else would they progress through the gyms and better their team? We only lack evidence that the accompanying party mates of Ash train offscreen with the exception of Clemont who explicitly stated that he was going back to his gym early to train to be a better match for Ash. This was a thing.
There are theories that suggest that Malva let Alain win but even if you ignore those, consider that Malva is weaker than Diantha as Diantha is the champion.
Thus, Alain is better than Malva but maybe better than Diantha.
Alain defeats Greninjash when Greninjash is not at full strength forme. We call this the mega shuriken forme. So Alain is better than Malva and ~50% Greninjash forme.
We also know that >50% Greninjash forme with the mega shuriken was on the verge of defeating Diantha before desynchornization occurred. Thus, we can rightly assume that 100% synchro Greninjash is not only stronger than Diantha, but stronger than Alain as well.
Without proper synchronization, which makes sense if you follow the show, Ash loses to otherwise inferior trainers.
>>26506369
Current theories are a Team Flare interruption or possible defeat by Alain in the final with Ash defeating Alain in the Team Flare conclusion (since it hasn't happened yet).
>>26506403
> Cloyster
What
>>26506403
Still the worst thing yellow exists emerald exist, zapmulcuno wtf, le cut árbol edgy, stupid and ridiculous named
>>26506415
It has some orb thing on its head to increase one of its skills or something, it's been a while since I last read it.
>>26506406
>Alain
>Inferior
Stop posting
>>26506422
Anon please don't go full retard, I don't understand what you just said.
>>26506422
>>26506426
Until Alain defeats Diantha straight up, the most recent and accurate display of Alain's powerlevel is that he is stronger than Malva and ~50% Greninjash. We do not have an accurate representation of Alain vs >50% Greninjash but we do know that >50% Greninjash came |_| that close to defeating Diantha straight up, no bullshit before desynchronizing.
Until proven otherwise, we can make the claim that Greninjash-Ash is superior to Zard X-Alain until upcoming league battles prove it wrong.
>>26506332
Red sent out Jolteon because he was running out of pokemon and there was no reason not to. Also Jolteon probably knew double kick too which would have been pretty effective against Ryhorn. You forget to take your medication spaz?
>>26506458
We can also claim that Zard X is stronger
We have to fucking wait. Predictions for a show like this is pointless.
>>26506459
He even said "Use double kick"
>>26506490
That's why I used the word claim and not meant it as fact. Predictions for a show like this are pointless, but we can make them and have fun with them because otherwise we're just watching a basic anime.
What we can assume is that Charizard X is better than Y.
>>26506515
Wow, you are the most rational person I have talked to about this.
>>26506406
The assertion is that A-Greninja is far beyond the power of M-Charizard. My point is that this show has always been inconsistent with displaying power levels.
If you're just going to use "he trained offscreen" to excuse any amount of off-screen power growth, then it basically means the writers can do no wrong.
Asking me to prove something in this regard is probably a waste a time, because I've seen time and time again unexpected things happening in the show and people will find some way to excuse it after the fact. My exact point is that no matter what examples I cite, you'll be able to make up some excuse for why that happened. (See: The Pikachu vs Mega Lucario example) I can't make some kind of cited reference to scientific experiments involving cartoon characters and their incredibly abstracted power levels therein. (I'm not even saying that in itself is a bad thing BTW, that's just the nature of shows like this.)
>>26505889
>He had a male Goodra
FTFY
>>26505914
Top 8. It's pretty much the average point he makes it to.
>>26505960
>There's literally nothing anyone at the league can do to stop Ash from winning.
Well, except being the plot device that always appears in the league fights that is there just to beat Ash.
>>26505986
Ash will most likely lose to some no named trainer introduced during the league so they can progress with the story like they have every single ending.
>>26506555
Thank you.
>>26506570
I would love to see you make examples of times when the power levels are inconsistent not to argue over and over with you, but because I'm interested in if I'm actually right or wrong. I'll argue that no one takes BW seriously and that both sides of our argument should avoid any pro's and con's from that region considering how much of a clusterfuck it was, but the other regions are all fair game.
If you look at the progression of Ash as time has gone on, barring the shitshow that is BW, Ash has had steady progression since Kanto.
And don't get me wrong, him training offscreen is not excusing the writers in the slightest, while we like to ignore BW, it's because it's such a shitty abortion that we hate the everliving hell out of whomever was in charge of letting that shit happen. But even then, even in that blue waffle of a season, we still had Ash training offscreen.
Exhibit A:
https://youtu.be/8SeJ1ZneAZ8?t=38s
First, I apologize for using the dub, I could not find either a screencap of the subtitled sub nor a sub video in general. But even in the shitty dub of the shittiest region, Ash is known to do offscreen training. It's not the asspull argument you think it to be, and if you follow the anime, then you can see why Ash loses when he does, and why he wins when he does.
>>26506651
That's either Alain or Team Flare interruption. No one else has been introduced at this point and normally when this type of league information comes out, we get a hint of who the person is that defeats Ash. We got Tobias in the pokefan for the DP league. Right now, we only have Shota, two mega evo trainers from the ME specials (one whom Ash fought in the Diancie movie), and Alain. We know Tierno and Trevor lose to Shota and Alain explicitly.
>>26506663
Hahaha no.
>>26506322
At the most he was level 9
>>26507214
This is assuming a neutral stance. BUT if rhyhorn was modest and had 252 in special attack while jolteon had 0 in special defense with a lax nature then he could be at least 14
>>26506681
Sorry for the late reply, went out to eat.
Power levels in anime are complete abstractions so the thing is, if I cite an example, it's completely possible to bend over backwards to think of some alternate explanation for why something happened. Aside from the Pikachu vs Mega Lucario thing, I guess I could cite Charizard vs Dusclops in the Battle Frontier arc. That was just an obvious setup so that Bulbasaur and Squirtle got to get more screen time- it's nice from the perspective of character "fairness" that they got to get some glory, but it doesn't really "make sense" when you think about it, because in any other situation Charizard was consistently depicted as one of Ash's most reliable and powerful Pokemon.
The problem with allowing for "he trained offscreen" as an excuse means you can excuse almost anything in the show. It's a "legitimate" excuse only in the most strict definition of the term. If something being a satisfactory in-universe explanation alone was a legitimate excuse then it makes no sense for the anime thread to always get in a frenzy over Cameron- the guy had a fully evolved team, won the only on-screen fight against a gym leader we saw him in in one try, and actually lost a grand total of once against Virgil. Him having any number of brain farts doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad battler, but people still hated seeing him beat Ash because it's not satisfying.
>>26506663
>>26506681
With SM coming around, they have every excuse to pull a Harrison on us.
>>26507289
The Eevee you get in the games is higher leveled than that.
>>26507313
They actually don't mention any new Pokemon or some other trainer so that's off the table.
>Ash is likely not bringing back old Pokemon again
>the anime fans will excuse this with things like "w-well his Kalos team is his strongest yet" despite the fact it was one of the things they've excitedly speculated on since XY began
>>26506434
>>26506446
Don't worry anons. I speak retard.
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Still the worst thing.
>yellow exists
>emerald exist
>zapmulcuno wtf
>le cut árbol edgy
>stupid and ridiculous names
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>>26507338
We only know about 2 league episodes so far. Third could introduce our plot device to trounce Ash.
>>26507667
And if the June announcement reveals some kind of Final Form Pokemon, chances are that's what previews for a League Episode will showcase.
>Inb4 Tobias shows back up with Darkrai, Mega Fug, Geomancy Power Herb Xerneas, Mewtwo, Primal Groudon, and Primal Kyogre.
>>26507296
It's all good man.
Interesting point about the BF arc, although it should probably be stated that the trainer in that battle was the top Battle Frontier Brain whom Ash did end up defeating. So his Bulbasaur and Squirtle, two pokemon who are strong, but not THAT strong, losing to them does make some sense. There was nothing to suggest that they should have wiped the floor instead of losing, but they did. Ash bringing them back was because he saw them as his original go-to guys from his first run-through and his previous battles with Brandon all ended in failure. So in a way, that battle arc was development for Ash over his past failures.
People hated the loss to Cameron because he had 5 team members, he was shown to be a complete fucking idiot, he was such a retard he thought the league was in Johto, and his team was bullshit.
Cameron is the equivalent of your little brother who somehow managed to get an amazing team despite the fact that he barely knows how to read, lucked into a decent team with his favorite pokemon (lucario), and manages to defeat you despite being such a fucking idiot.
With the entire bullshit that was BW, that was the icing on the cake for why that region is so hated. Virgil seemed competent in what little we saw of him, but there was little build-up there. What's worse, Cameron was barely built up either, and had he not met Ash, would not have even made it to the league in the first place.
>>26507313
>>26507338
>>26507667
>>26507834
We just had pokefan drop for the League and it introduced the people for the league. By all means, Ash likely faces the two mega evo trainers for the first two rounds, shota for third round, and alain for round four.
Either he wins the whole league, or one of those four people defeats him. The person who defeats Ash is never not introduced early on. Sorry guys.
>>26507327
Then it was shit
>>26506322
If the Rhyhorn is level 100, modest, 31 special attack IV, 252 special attack EV crits with Thunderbolt, Jolteon would have to be level 29 at most to have a chance at being one shot if it has Calm nature with 31 HP and special defense IV and 252 HP and special defense EV.
>>26509322
Interesting, thanks anon. :)
>>26508618
>Either he wins the whole league, or one of those four people defeats him. The person who defeats Ash is never not introduced early on. Sorry guys.
The one with Garchomp and Absol are most likely fodder because of Alan, Shota's shown to be struggling against Ashninja in a panicked manner and Alan was getting pushed back by the imperfect Ashninja. It actually looks like Ash will have this one done seeing as they didn't introduce some other random Tobias/Harrison in the magazines.
>>26507296
>Charizard was consistently depicted as one of Ash's most reliable and powerful Pokemon.
>reliable
Literally cost Ash the Kanto League and set up his endless cycle of defeat and failure.
>>26505906
There's two Mega Charizards, a Mega Scpetile and a Mega Absol already confirmed
Super special snowflake Greninja is just an overglorified mega. Ash is not winning shit until the series end
>>26511129
Team Rocket cost Ash the league, not Charizard.
We know he loses because he's going to dump his super special Greninja in a PC to make room for Alola.
So which mega pokemon is he getting? Charizard? Sceptile? Heracross? Glalie?
>>26513074
Ash lost to Richie because Charizard refused to fight and was Ash's last Pokemon. It saw how weak Richie's Pikachu was in comparison and just laid down and refused every order Ash made, disqualifying him from the tournament.
>>26505852
Fuck you, worse than Tobias incoming in 3...2...
>>26514029
Probably none.
>>26505852
He lost to both Shota and Alain right before the League so he can beat them both during the League. There is no stopping it, he's going to beat them both.
And the two Mega Evolution traqiners from the specials are fodder to him for the first two rounds.
Finally, we know those are the four people he will face in the League, no extra League trainer introduced at the last second. He is going to either win or the League will be cancelled because of Team Flare shenanigans. The former is more possible as the Flare attack can happen during the end of the League when all the Mega Evolution energy is collected.
They aren't going to have him not be powerful enough to win the League but powerful enough to save the world
tl;dr Ash is winning the League and there is nothing that can stop itbesides an earthquake
Just because they didn't show anyone doesn't mean there won't be one. Tobias wasn't shown, either, but I don't remember it clearly.
>Tobias shows up again with Mega Kangaskhan and sweeps Ash's team
>>26514647
I admit, I thought Shota would kick his ass during the League but seeing as how he already has a win, I don't see any way for Ash to lose to him.
Even if Ash wins da league, there's still the matter of Diantha herself. And unlike last time, she likely won't be holding back at all or won't be surprised by smogon froge's antics anymore.
Basically, what I'm saying is this: Ash will win the league tourney, but will end up getting his face caved in by the champion because that's what almost always happens almost every time someone wins the tournament.
>>26514859
Please stop using this excuse. As far as we know, the Champion League does not run on game rules. You don't get one try to win against all of them. You basically battle until you win.
>>26514722
...theres somebody in the show named shota?
Tobias is going to return but with Reshiram this time.
Ash feels what Greninja feels, right?
What is someone runs a toxic, leech seed, rocky helmet ferrothorn? haha
>>26505852
where is this picture from
>>26505852
>lost to Shota (who didn't even Mega)
>lost to Wulfric
>lost to Alain
>Shota is constantly taking notes and learning from everything Ash does
Calling it now, he's losing to Shota at the end. King's Shield shenanigans and absorbing Pikachu's attacks with Lightningrod.
>implying he won't be beaten by some random never before seen character using Mega FUG to dragon ascent his ass into the next region
>>26514972
You mean Tobias?
>>26514986
His brother actually
