So seriously, why was this so expensive? It's just a bike.
it's cool
>>26480809
>It's just a bike.
No it's a cool bike.
>>26480822
No, it's a cool BIKE.
Because they didn't want you to sequence break.
>>26480809
Well I mean a bottle of fresh water is $300 so maybe theres just a lot of inflation in the pokemon world
>>26480837
The pricing is based off of Yen.
So 300 would be like $2
>>26480837
You mean ¥300
>>26480809
Because the bike is cool, you fucking retard.
>>26480837
What a retard.
>>26480854
Which still puts the bike at over $9000 US.
>>26480854
That still makes the bike $10,000 which is insane.
>>26480809
So that you have to go get the bike ticket from the Pokemon Fan Club guy
>>26480890
>>26480893
Some higher end bikes are priced in the thousands.
It is clear there are practically no bike vendors other than this guy, so he runs a regional monopoly in kanto.
So he inflates the price by several-fold.
Sounds reasonable to me.
>>26480893
>Trying to sell a kid a $10,000 bike.
OH BUT YOU A BIKE VOUCHER! HERE YA GO!
It's not even a motorbike
There are $10,000 mountain bikes. There seem to be no cars in Kanto and the terrain isn't built for them either; combine that with the fact that this is the ONLY bike shop in the whole region allowing for inflation and bam, that price makes sense.
what kinds of pokemon were in the grass beside pallet town
>>26480809
>Unanswered Questions remains unanswered even on 20th anniversary
>we will never see Cubone and Marowak's real face
>Ditto's rumors of being failed Mew clones will always be rumors
>Genesect being an enhanced Kabutops will always be a rumor
>Kangaskhan's baby will never have its own Dex Number and will always be part of its design
>the reason why on Gen I/FRLG you must use a Silph Scope to see ghosts even when in other games you can see them in other games will never be explained
>Calem/Serena and Saul/Luna original region will never be explained even when on RS/ORAS an NPC says that Norman's family moved from Johto (on E the text was changed to a "very far region")
>>26480893
No, it's not. I used to have a 9k bike that was gifted to me.
The bike in Pokemon is collapsable and sturdy. $10,000 is steep but not insane.
>>26480991
This.
A kid's interpretation of money is quite limited. The value of the bike in reality may be $100-200 but to them it feels like thousands. Kids like to exaggerate.
But in reality it's so you don't break the plot.
>A kid's interpretation of money is quite limited.
Do you also think buildings lack doors because you're ignoring those houses?
You're fucking stupid if so.
The money in Pokemon isn't part of some comatose fever dream bullshit. It's a metric with value.
When you try to leave Pallet town, Oak tells you that it's dangerous because of wild pokemon and that you need your own pokemon for your protection. So have their been cases of people getting injured for recklessly venturing outside in the past? And in Kanto's route 1 there's only Pidgeys and Rattatas. Yet when you go to the Safari Zone you aren't allowed to use your pokemon there and the area consists of giant bugs and a bull to count the more fearsome of the bunch.
>>26481107
Read the last sentence of my post. You're getting upset about a post on a thread about theorizing unanswered questions about Pokemon. Maybe it's time you take a break.
Could you theoretically pay for the bike if you raised the money?
>>26481229
I don't think it's possible. I believe money caps out at 999,999; one pokedollar away from the full million needed.
>>26481063
>break the plot
How?
>>26481063
>you don't break the plot.
you
I like you
and I honestly don't know if OP is baiting or just stupid
>>26481290
so you does not buy the bike the moment you arrive in Cerulean
also, you does not spend money with the bike
>>26481290
If you don't go on the SS Anne to get the bike voucher and it leaves with Gary aboard, how can he become champ?
>>26480809
Bikes are special.
>>26480890
>>26480893
Bikes are expensive bros
>>26481335
>go on the SS Anne to get the bike voucher
what?
>>26481174
Rattatas and Pidgeys are very dangerous Pokémon.
>>26480991
>what is the truck
>>26481335
>i'm a fucking retard
you get given the voucher from the guy in the Pokemon Fan Club building. Nothing in your post makes even the smallest amount of sense
>>26480809
The answer is simple
China is ripping Kanto off on trade
the pokemon world plays after a great war. you have an inflation of war-relatet items like pokeballs, so they are cheap. prestige items like a bicykles are expensive
>>26481030
Ditto's rumors of being failed Mew clones will always be rumors.
Ditto wasn't created by Human.
>>26481030
Genesect being an enhanced Kabutops.
Genesect is not a Kabutops.
Genesect was originally a ancient bug Pokémon.
>>26481030
>Nidoran of different genders will remain different species
>ghosts in the haunted house in DPPt will never be explained
>we will never see the Original Dragon
>we will never explore the tunnel connecting Johto and Sinnoh
>we will never learn why the side game regions are canon in the anime but never mentioned in the games
>we will never know if Gengar is Clefable's shadow
>we will never know where the Clefairy line and Deoxys came from
>Pokerus will never be a species of Pokemon
>We will never explore South America and find Mew
>we'll never know why Red went to Mt. silver
>we'll never know where the BW1 protags ended up
>we'll never know if the Shadow Triad are actually the triplet gym leaders
>we'll never know what is under Tangela's vines
>Slowbro's shellder will never be a Pokemon
>we'll never know where Kadabra and Alakazam's spoons come from
>The Porygon family will never be in the anime even though the seizures were Pikachu's fault
>we'll never know if Yellow was the canon Gen 1 game because of Red's team in GSC/HGSS
>we'll never know why Giovanni went back to being evil after saying he'd become a good trainer again
>we'll never know why Team Rocket hid their base behind a fucking poster
>>26481174
To be fair you are like ten years old. Oak just wants the kids to be careful when playing outside
>>26481400
The truck is immobile.
You could make the same case about the St. Anne or the Magnet Train. A motor vehicle is a motor vehicle.
The point is, in Kanto, motor vehicles aren't ubiquitous. The only named roads in Kanto are a quiet pier (Silence Bridge), and a road built for bicycling (Cycling Road).
Compare that to Unova, with bridges and train stations.
Keep in mind, there are areas of rural japan that still lack this-century amenities, like the internet. Pic related: this scene from nearly 20 years ago still holds some truth today.
>>26481432
I really wish this was true.
>Fast forward to Great War 2
>Red recruited by one side for being a Pokemon prodigy
>Blue electing to join the other because he has grown bitter after Red killed his Raticate and stole his championship
>The decisive battle is fought outside victory road with only one champion walking away alive.
TFW Grimdark Pokemon
>>26481464
>We will never explore South America and find Mew
Pretty sure Faraway Island is heavily implied to be the island of South America on which Fuji found Mew. I agree with all the other points though, shit sux
>>26481030
Sylph scope was only needed in that tower so it's safe to assume there's a special energy or something that hides the ghosts. Considering there was a magic healing area as well it makes sense.
Original region of moving trainers can easily be retconned in later, but it's not that important.
>>26481459
Yeah this is true, it would be cool to see a common ancestor to them or something.
>>26481464
They're not going to fuck with the dex for nidoran line.
We might see OG dragon someday.
I think the tunnel connect Johto and Sinnoh had a lot of fucky magic going on.
Anime isn't canon in the games.
Gengar is clearly based on a similar design to clefable yes, that is probably the inspiration but it isn't literally its shadow.
Space. The panspermia hypothesis is canon in Pokemon, and Arceus created all pokemon IIRC, so he just flung a bunch onto the moon too.
Red went there to train, it's a pretty common trope isn't it? I think Ryu did the same thing after SF2. Also Mt. Silver is Fuji.
Shadow Triad are confirmed to not be, unfortunately.
Tangela has blackface on.
They stole the spoons. Or it's actually a part of their body.
Giovanni lied. He is also partly inspired by thsi guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima
Because their base was probably only a half secret.
>>26481370
Excuse me for not remembering every minute detail about the shittiest region which I played 15 years ago
>>26481532
It was. Assuming the missing text, it reads.
>“…ber, 6th day
If any human being sets foot here ever
again, let it be a kindhearted person.
With that hope, I depart.” Fuji
Based on the Cinnabar journals, Mew was discovered on July 5, named on July 10, cloned on February 6, and the project was seemingly abandoned on September 1.
The final entry is actually a bit different in Japanese, hinting at a greater urgency.
>
ダメだ⋯
わたしの てには おえない! Diary: September 1
"The Pokémon Mewtwo is far too powerful.
It's no use…
I cannot control it!"
It could be assumed Fuji returned Mew to Utmost Island that week, but it simply reading "ber" leaves it a bit more open, geographically.
>>26481807
You're not excused.
There's literally no excuse for not remembering how to get the bike in Gen 1. It's akin to you forgetting what to do with Oak's Parcel.
>>26481758
No and you need to learn more about Pokémon species.
>>26481822
What was Oak's Parcel?
>>26481432
It explains what Lt.Surge was doing there. And why he's called "The Lightning American".
>>26481843
>not remembering babby's first fetch quest
>>26481837
what are you saying no to anon
What would a Parasect be if it was never parasitized?
>>26481862
Because, genesect is a Ancient Bug Pokémon.
Kabutops is a Shellfish Pokémon.
They are two completely different Pokémon species.
>>26481369
Bikes can't be your bros, they're just bikes.
>>26481884
Says you and what army?
>>26481862
No, what WAS Oak's Parcel?
Was it lewd?
>>26481843
Why the fuck are you even on this board?Oak's Parcel is delivered to the Viridian Pokemart, in exchange for custom Pokeballs. When the balls are delivered to Oak, you're gifted the Pokedex
>>26481955
>>26481942
Shit, I mean, you pick up the parcel from the Mart, and it's revealed to be a batch of custom balls.
You get the Pokedex for making this delivery to Oak.
It's literally the first task in the first games.
>>26481862
>>26481843
Jesus fucking Christ you shouldn't even be allowed on this board
>>26481459
Kabutops was also originally a ancient bug pokemon
>>26481758
>>>26481464
The fuck is this johto/sinnoh tunnel ? I googled and found nothing. Can you explain please ?
>>26481979
Please, Read of It's Pokédex entries.
You have been brainwash by fanon nonsense.
>>26481990
It's an area in HGSS unlocked by event. It's actually really neat, because you can witness the creation of a Pokemon Egg. It's fucking bonkers.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinjoh_Ruins
And the egg creation video, since you're clearly lazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mhsDkOiod4
>>26481990
There's an event involving an Arceus in HG/SS, the one with the Sinjoh Ruins. You go from the Ruins Of Alph and are transported to a ruin location that is stated to be somewhere between Johto and Sinnoh, although it's kept intentionally vague
Pic related, it would be somewhere in this ballpark in the real world
>>26481878
>>26481975
Yeah I agreed that they're different. I just thought it would be cool if GF decided they had a common ancestor.
It doesn't make a ton of sense but it could. If not I would be really interested in seeing just the bug ancestor to Genesect.
>>26481979
You have been brainwash by fanon nonsense.
>>26482019
My autism demands that they do a Sinnoh remake with this region included to encompass all of mainland Japan.
>>26482021
I see and Genesect Is ancient, itself.
>>26481878
>>26481975
>>26482008
>>26482042
>>26482131
kill yourself richard
>>26481174
Safari Zone pokemon are probably fed and raised by humans hence the bizarre variety. It's a sort of canned hunt which is why they don't even fight back if you throw rocks at them.
>>26480834
>going slightly faster
>sequence break
>>26482174
No thanks.
>>26481464
>>we'll never know why Giovanni went back to being evil after saying he'd become a good trainer again
It's a shame they managed to fuck up the smallest bit of plot we had in gen 1.
>>26481253
You are right. As a child I saved up until I maxed out with 1 yen away from the bike. I was livid. Used the cinnabar item cloning glitch>>26481253
to indefinitely sell hyper potions.
>>26482131
Just did some wikipedia research, and paleozoic basically encompasses the rise of all complex life. So to pre-date that would be kinda hard.
>>26482189
Yeah I got that feeling too. Probably protected species and ones that aren't native to the region as well.
>>26481253
Yep, that's the point.
>>26482279
Oh, anon. Why didn't you just look at your screen and realize there was no place for the extra digit?
I'd like to know exactly where do the pokemons come from and why they're so different from humans(and animals)...are they bioengineered creatures made by alien?
Pic semi related
The Oshawott family are able to manipulate their keratin outside of their body, to the point of making seashell-shaped armor that can easily attach and reattach to their bodies. Samurott's proficiency at this ability allows it to snap off a piece of its armor, have that piece forge into a sword, and break down to be reattached, all rapidly taking place within a quickdraw and "sheathing" motion. If you were to shave a Samurott's facial hair off, can it regrow that instantaneously as well?
>>26482286
meant to quote
>>26482274
>>26482274
How did you get to cinabar without passing the cycle route?
>>26480809
Bike? Or cool bike?
>>26482304
Are you stupid, or just forgetful? There are two ways to go south. You only need the PokeFlute to pass the Snorlax at either Cycling Road or Vermilion's intersection with Silence Bridge, south of Lavender Town.
>>26482304
>>26482320
You can also get onto Cycling Road without a bike by holding B from when the guard starts to talk to you.
>>26480809
It's because the world of Pokemon lives in a socialist society. Think about it. Free Pokemon healthcare, but prices of basic things like LEMONADE, SODA POP, or even Bikes are grossly inflated.
That or on a serious note the game essentially uses Yen, and the Bike is only that much to tease you, and make you more happy when you get the voucher for it.
>>26482332
Neat, that'd be useful if I didn't grab the bike from the earliest possible instance, but it's still neat to know.
>>26481807
>talking about shit you admit not knowing
you aren't excused at all, faggot
>>26481464
>we'll never know if the Shadow Triad are actually the triplet gym leaders
they're not
they appeared in a cutscene together in BW2, I believe
>Pokerus will never be a species of Pokemon
what
>>26482434
Pokerus is a life form that isn't a Pokemon
>>26482298
Because I was a moron of a 10 year old boy convinced I was gonna be the first kid to own that bike.
>>26482454
Surely then you'd check to see if others had beaten you. Right?
I was just as stupid though. I thought "Bike Voucher" actually meant "Bike Launcher", and was needed to made the bike go vroom vroom fast. Pic related, I literally thought it was like one of those fucking toy bikes, and looked like that.
I'm not much smarter now, but god damn, if that wasn't stupid.
>>26482320
Its been a decade or two since I last played gen 1. Forgetful maybe? Why so mad?
>>26482174
What is this Richard meme that you're trying to force? Is it like when Amerifats call Brits Nigel?
>>26482111
They would also need to do the region between Johto and Hoenn
>>26482554
Naw I didn't have internet or even really know what it was then. Just knew nobody around it had done it yet.
>>26482021
They should have a common ancestor if you go far back enough.
If you're willing to go into headcanon territory then Genesect might be the ancestor of Scyther and the yet to be seen cockroach Pokemon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blattoptera
>>26480809
I don't know goyim
>>26482206
>what is cycling road
Looks like someone never finished the game
>>26483451
There's a Snorlax there
Who invented the Pokeball?
How was the 8 gyms + Elite 4 system introduced?
>>26483557
THIS
I get that they made the price so high to make it impossible to hold enough money to buy it.
But in gen 1, was it even possible to grind half that amount? With no trainer rematches there was a finite source of money before the elite 4, and even if someone did somehow grind that much money, how does it hurt the game to have the bike a city or two early?
>>26481030
>Ditto's rumors of being failed Mew clones will always be rumors
This is really stupid with nothing substantial behind it. I would also show you pic related, but then again Masuda talks about pokémon working when that happens in the games.
>>26483557
Sylph Co. is probably the company who makes industry scale pokeballs, before that, people would craft pokeballs with apricorns.
Gyms could have started as a kind of attraction, like olympics. As people started getting good at battling, they probably decided to make a final test, the elite 4.
>>26483451
>get bike early
>get to cycling road
>can't pass Snorlax
If you knew anything, you'd know the real sequence breaking comes from using a Pokedoll on Marowak, and then using the B button technique to pass into Cycling Road without a bike.
>>26480809
Lol you cant afford it? Dont talk to me commoner
>>26483666
Pay Day to grind money against wild mons.
>how does it hurt the game to have the bike a city or two early
It doesn't. Neither would it hurt the game to give the player a pokedex before setting off. It's just how they planned things out.
>>26483704
>Pokeball apricorns
I forgot all about this. How the fuck does that even work.
>>26480809
It's a cool bike though
>>26483704
There was likely a point when Pokeballs weren't a thing. Maybe they were able to tame pokemon without a Pokeball. Whips likely, if some of the R/B/Y sprites are anything to go by. Pokeballs were probably made to make the process much easier. There's also that Pokeball factory in Kalos. Once people started to catch Pokemon and discover their typing and all that it would then go to see that some attacks pokemon have are effective against specific types and thus battling.
Once people got the idea to make teams of pokemon like this they eventually came up of a competition of some kind; to see who was the best trainer at least in the region.
But what I find interesting to question is; Since every single region has the exact same format of 8 gyms and the elite 4 is there a region that came up with the idea first and traveling trainers went back to their region and spread the idea? Would it be Kanto or some other region?
>>26480809
Monopoly. Offer and demand at action. If you don't have any more bicycle suppliers, you're forced to pay whatever they like for the things they offer.
>>26481432
That would explain why every single region seems to use the same currency. I bet the leagues are there to make it seem like there's some control in the region so that crime doesn't run rampant (even though it does anyways with villainous teams running around).
>>26483693
Why is Masuda's version of Pokemon so goofy?
>Nothing bad ever happens
>No realistic things in the slightest
Masuda should stick to making songs
>>26482042
>>26482008
These are theories that people enjoy discussing BECAUSE they're not officially proved. That's the whole point. It's interesting because "we" came up with it and it somewhat makes sense. Kabutops has a bug-esque physique that resemble's Genesect, it's an ancient pokémon, it could very well be. And even if it's never proved, it's a cool theory to talk about nonetheless. Even if it's not canon. Canon isn't everything, Richard.
>>26480837
>a bottle of water costs ₽300
>a high-tech portable creature-capturing device costs ₽200
WEW.
>>26484235
It's not just water. It's FRESH water.
>>26481464
>>Slowbro's shellder will never be a Pokemon
I would love to see that, the same for mantine and remoraid. They shouldn't be just a part of its design. Two live bars? Two movepool? Alternative form? There are many ideas for them.
>>26481464
Isn't Clefairy from the moon?
>>26484235
Maybe they just pick up the pokeballs that fails and resells them.
>>26484439
I was always under the impression that a pokeball that fails to capture a pokemon is broken. But maybe they can be repaired?
>>26480834
Well poor enough coding made it so if you press B from the menu you temporary gain instant text. Even though it's not a sequence break still get a glitch out of it
>>26484547
I don't think they ever said that a pokeball that fails breaks.
>>26484602
well that was more of my assumption since you don't get any back when you use them wither you successfully catch them or not
>>26483880
>There was likely a point when Pokeballs weren't a thing. Maybe they were able to tame pokemon without a Pokeball.
That was confirmed in BW2.
>Drayden: "When I was little, Poké Balls didn't exist yet. Sometimes Pokémon would run away from awful Trainers who didn't try to understand them."
>According to his training schedule I just happened upon, he does:'
>1. 10,000 sit-ups
>2. 10,000 push-ups
>3. 10,000 squats
>>26484723
And of course there is the Eternal Flower Floette who left AZ
Having a Pokemon game take place in the past like that would be pretty neat. But not as a main game of course
>>26482131
>They upgraded the Canon on its back
This implies it originally had a Canon and they made it better. Kabutops isn't genesect.
Has any neckbeard ever spammed payday enough to get it with money?
>>26484810
I don't think you can. There's probably a 999,999 limit.
>>26484809
This Pokémon existed 300 million years ago. Team Plasma altered it and attached a cannon to its back.
>>26483693
>Masuda denies the fact that Pokemon are used as labor to assist human civilization
>A Machop levels the foundation for a new building in Vermillion City
>Machoke work in the basement of Goldenrod Dept. Store
>Machoke/Vigoroth work for moving companies
>Gogoat is used for public transportation in Lumiose
>Diggersby aid in construction
>Hell, humans learned their modern ways of construction FROM Pokemon (Conkeldurr)
Masuda doesn't know shit.
>>26480819
I love you, anon
>>26484810
You can just skip the bike and use the Missingno. glitch to make infinite Nuggets, the bike isn't mandatory.
I've got an unanswered question for ya :
why is the ruins of alph radio sound ho-oh's distorted cry ?
>>26484602
In origins it shows them exploding
>>26484928
It dosent say team plasma gave it one, just that they made it better.
>>26485002
They attached a cannon to its back.
>>26484762
Of course. Main games are never good.
>>26484972
The max you can hold is 999999
>>26481014
Pidgeys and Rattatas anon. What the fuck.
>>26484962
He's just saying that Pokemon aren't abused for work that's all.
>>26484200
Why are all of you so damn edgy? Is the concept of humans living in relative peace with Pokemon and vegetarianism being the most common life style really that hard to accept?
>>26483880
>>26484723
>Maybe they were able to tame pokemon without a Pokeball.
Isn't it said in one game that Pokemon and humans came to a mutual agreement to assist each other? I think
>Sometimes Pokémon would run away from awful Trainers who didn't try to understand them.
supports that notion, and it makes sense considering the whole idea that Pokemon and humans are meant to cooperate and are able to understand each other on a higher level than humans and animals.
I think in the Arceus movie, Pokemon were harnessed, but if you don't think the anime is canon, I think the way "capturing" Pokemon worked in the old days was more like befriending them. In fact, I think Pokeballs might still operate somewhat on that notion of befriending the target, rather than physically restraining them. It would make sense as to why rarer/stronger Pokemon have lower catch rates, because they may feel like they gain less from a symbiotic relationship with humans.
It would also support why Master Balls are so scarce, because they forcefully restrain a Pokemon against their will, and probably have controversy surrounding them. The player usually is either entrusted with a Master Ball from a person of authority because they trust that the trainer will use it for the greater good, or are stolen from evil teams that want to forcefully enslave highly powerful Pokemon that are better off not being disturbed (the Magma/Aqua base).
>>26485079
Master Balls are literally shit at enslaving powerful Pokemon. Cyrus says so himself in DPP and just gives you the thing.
You apparently can't control the power of Pokemon that would actually make you godlike (namely the Creation Trio) even if you catch them.
>>26481369
Bullshit, I can hop down to a department store right now and pick up a quality bike for 300 dollars.
>>26485069
There's nothing mentioned about abuse by either him or the interviewer. And who's to say that Pokemon aren't provided sustenance and shelter for their work, just like the humans they work alongside? It's not abuse or slavery if both parties are providing a mutual consensual service to each other, so there should be nothing wrong with putting Pokemon to work. Especially when they have such insanely powerful supernatural skills that humans themselves don't have, like the ability to generate heat, water, electricity, plant life, influence physical matter with mere thoughts, fly, and so on. Why shouldn't those things be used for the benefit of all?
Though I dunno, maybe Masuda's just trying to cover his tracks in case there are still fanatical people who cry about Pokemon being an inhumane work of the devil.
>>26485144
You can't control it yourself, but you own the force behind that destructive power, which is scary. Mewtwo in the hands of Team Rocket, Groudon in the hands of Team Magma, etc. are still capable of causing widespread devastation, and so are Dialga/Palkia/Giratina, even if Cyrus can't get them to create him a new universe.
Pokemon have to obey the commands of their masters, but I'm sure legendary Pokemon are on a high enough plane of intelligence to resist using their OP world-building powers if they know it would cause the extinction of life as we know it, just because one human told them to.
>>26485218
>Why shouldn't those things be used for the benefit of all?
They probably are, Masuda just rejected the premise of humans forcing Pokemon to do their work. "wouldn't want to use Pokemon in such a manner as making them work to do something"
There are Pokemon who are willing to help people, power and construct their homes, after all we see it in the games. But if the Pokemon in question doesn't want to work it won't, simple as that.
>Pokemon have to obey the commands of their masters
Is this every stated anywhere? Because I don't think that's actually true.
>>26484200
>realistic
>a meddling kid manages to save the world from a villain who had an entire mafia under its control and plans to destroy humanity/universe
This is the problem with the new villains, Giovanni was just chilling, and decided to become a normal trainer again after the thrill of battling MC, Archie and Maxie thought that they were doing the world a favor.
Also, in Johto you help an Ampharos that was sick, and don't even get me started on Marowak.
>>26485002
team plasma attached a cannon to Genesect back
>>26485144
Of course Cyrus can't control the legendaries, he doesn't have the necessary badges.
>>26485171
>quality
>300 dollars
Anon, pls. A top tier bike used by athletes that compete in real races like Giro or Tour can easily cost 20k. If an owner of a bike shop said that it is a cool bike, it certainly is not a 300 dollars one.
>>26485218
>Pokemon have to obey the commands of their masters
They really don't, charizard not obeying ash is not an anime thing only, it is a mechanic ingame.
>>26485218
Cyrus is retarded for not just catching them, but it doesn't mean that the legendaries would become brainwashed slaves.
>>26485298
>>26485423
Pokemon under the ownership of a master do what their master wants them to do, regardless of the master's motives. There's no such thing as a good/evil Pokemon, only good/evil people. Pokemon can be stubborn if they don't feel like their master is experienced enough for them, but they're still at their service in the end.I think the whole disobedience mechanic is more grounded in gameplay than in lore, to discourage players from steamrolling a fresh save file with a traded in level 70 Pokemon, but I guess it's still a valid point of discussion anyway.
For some reason, the first place my brain jumps to when saying this is that episode of the show when Jessie's, James', and the twerps' Pokemon are all stranded on the island together and team up to find their masters, but for some reason I feel like the matter must have come up in one of the Gen 5 games. Feel free to not take any of what I said as fact if you know of anything that states otherwise, though.
>>26485436
That's what I was saying. Legendaries will obey as far as battle and practical uses are concerned, but can't just be told to create life anew just because someone managed to cram them into a Pokeball and give them an order to. They're probably intelligent enough to have limits in that sense, and that's probably what makes them so resistant to capture in the first place.
>>26485616
The disobedience is probably more grounded on lore than mechanics, since a lvl 70 pokemon will still steamroll through almost anything even if it is not obeying properly.
Also, just because you captured a pokemon, it is not yours forever, they say that if you try to capture a pokemon that already has a master you are a thief, which means that it is possible to capture a pokemon that is already captured.
>>26485655
I don't think the pokemon would willingly obey instantaneously, but since you can control the pokemon's "freedom", you can basically torture it into obeying you.
>>26485698
I said discourage, not stop entirely. It's like anti-piracy measures in that sense: they can't stop you from playing however you want, but they can make it annoying for you (think something like a pirated copy of Earthbound having jacked up encounter rates, for example)
About the thievery thing, I think ownership like that is similar to the way a person can own a car, with the Pokeball being like the ignition key. Yeah, someone can steal your keys and make your car work, but it's not "their" car. Plus, any time there's thievery in Pokemon games, the stolen Pokemon are always shown to be hesitant, miserable, or missing their OT. Pokemon have emotions and wills, and that's why they choose to join the trainers that capture them on their adventures and don't take too kindly to being stolen.
How exactly does one become a gym leader? When you look at some of the gym leaders, the whole idea becomes even more mind-boggling.
>>26482296
Maybe
