Does the best story climax award go to gen 4 or gen 5 ?
>>26478899
I honestly can't decide between BW and Platinum
DP and HGSS weren't so good in that department, and B2W2, while better in pretty much every other aspect in existence, I felt it was weaker than its original in this specific situation.
>>26478899
Platinum only becauseI don't remember what happens in B/W
>>26478920
Yeah, I was implying Platinum and BW. The others don't stand a chance IMHO
>>26478899
Play is my 2nd favorite game but B/W had a better climax: the sages/ gym leader confrontation, the manipulation, showdown with both legendaries...
I loved the distortion world, but Cyrus wasn't as nearly an interesting villain.
Depends on what pulls you more.
I felt BW were more personally grounded. Galactic is clearly villainous, while Plasma is the only team to even attempt to convince they're not villains.
>>26478934
Basically, N beats the champion before you do, his castle comes out of the ground, you go through it (and basically through N's background), obtain your legendary, battle N and then Ghetsis, the true last boss who was evil all along. N proceeds to make an adieu and an epic ending begins.
XY
The climax itself of BW2 was really great, even though the buildup was horribly paced. I like that the protag actually would have died was it not for N, and the fusion-cutscene was pretty cool too. Also, Ghetsis' psychopathy was a really nice touch after he was defeated.
Though, Giratina's surprise-trip to the Distortion World was just as good as well. The buildup was really great throughout the Distortion World, but the climax had already ceased once you actually got to Giratina.
>>26478958
Oooooh yeah that's right. Shit that was pretty good.
When I was younger, the RS climax is the only one to ever make me feel "oh shit" with the obvious threat of drought or flooding slowly encroaching over the world. That was something feasibly terrifying, and it gets points for that. ORAS while I think otherwise improved the main story of RS a lot, the climax was a bit weaker by making the Groudon/Kyogre fight seem more like a ceremonial thing, though the actual setpieces were great with you riding them to the crazy-ass core of the Cave of Origin and in OR the sky looking like it's on fucking fire.
Meanwhile DPPt is some vague "the world's gonna end" shit. Never really felt that.
BW1 was cool for at least shaking up the status quo with the finale, but I don't really understand why they needed Zekrom/Reshiram other than to fulfill N's messiah complex. BW2 is a favorite for Ghetsis literally trying to kill the player, and having a Legendary encounter you have to defeat rather than catch, which was pretty cool, though I would've made that specific fight have some pumped up HP for Kyurem to make it more of a threat that would really require your whole team besides that a single landed hit from it would most likely end in a fainted teammate.
HGSS is some wet shit for its climax. I fucking HATE what they did to the Kimono Girls and Ho-Oh/Lugia.
XY's is okay. I like the whole Team Flare plotline if I pick it apart, but it still isn't very impactful in any way. Like a lot of the game.
tl;dr I like RS and BW2's climaxes the most.
Am I allowed to saygoing to space in ORAS?
If not then BW. Makes me chuckle thinking of how Fusion Bolt/Flare were pretty much made for that one instance.
I like 4 the most with how Cyrus basically succeded and legendary pokemon had to act on itself to save the day, no other game had it. BW2's was great too.
>>26478899
They were both stupid.
>>26479018
>>26479067
>gen 4 and 5 thread, as explicitly stated by the OP
>Hoennshitters are literally incapable of staying the fuck out and shutting the fuck up about their garbage region
Every time.
Emerald, no contest
Goes to ORAS
BW1 because they seemed to understand, for a fleeting moment,why almost every other game puts the climax at the end of the game as opposed to three quarters through
>>26479659
Your victim complex is unreal. Chill out and ignore it if you don't like it.
5
distortion world just felt like an added thing
B/W had the entire story culminate at the end, with N's battle followed by Ghetsis going haywire after his plan was fucked
What IS the story of Pokemon? What is it that you're supposed to be trying to do? You are given the task of filling the dex, but the only thing that gives you the credits is beating the Champion. Only in BW is it given to you for beating the villain, and that's only because they took over the League. So what IS the story? What role are you playing? What is the real meaning of this game?
>>26479769
No real meaning
You just go and become a champion of [insert region] while simultaneously crushing some faggots who try to make everyone's life miserable and are unlucky enough to get in your way
>>26479678
>>26479697
this
b/w actually had a fucking climax at the end of the game, and the ending was even better because of actual character development and world building that took place during the game
>Gen 4
>Best climax
>"Fuck yes I'm fighting pokegods this is fucking awesome I am the best trainer in the universe! Okay that's done now, time to go back to fighting underleveled trainers, doing the last gym and pretending like nothing happened."
B/W wins solely because the credits actually start rolling after the fucking climax. What a novel concept, right? Ending the game at the end of the plot?
Fuck Game Freak for going back to that shitty pacing in XY
>>26479791
Is becoming the Champion your goal? It's not the first goal you're given. It is one that gives you the credits, though. Which one is your real goal?
>>26478899
Gen 4 was extremely underwhelming especially when it came to Platinum because the Distortion World had nothing of worth or interest in it.
>>26478899
Gen 6
>>26479832
god that fight at the end was so cringeworthy
>>26479816
>because the credits actually start rolling after the fucking climax
this is why i cant replay gen 3 or 4 anymore. i play until the actual story ends and i just lose any and all motivation to play the gamei dont play gen6 because its just bad
Are you saying that the villain plot is the only real plot? If so, I will agree with that, but every game but BW ignores it, and that's only because of a technicality. Truly, you're still doing the same thing you do in every pokemon game.
>>26479832
I liked the AZ stuff at the end, but his team should've been stronger, especially since win or lose didn't matter
>>26479829
It is? The original goal is become the best trainer (generally champion is considered this but this goal can be conveniently stretched on other "pastgame" battle facilities) and help [insert professor name] with filling pokedex aka catch them all. All the evil team crap is a mandatory but still a side task except from gen 5 where all the plasma shitty drama was made to be an important part.
>>26479832
God, fucking gen 6.
It probably has my favorite plot in the series. The war, the man who lost his most beloved pokemon in it, doing horrible things to try and bring it back, losing it again and being cursed with eternal life, wandering the earth for a thousand years in search of his lost friend. I fucking love everything about it.
Too bad this entire plot was condensed in a shitty 10-minute plot dump right at the end of the fucking game GOD DAMN IT GAMEFREAK YOU RUINED IT.
>>26480173
Pay attention. The very first thing you are told in every game is to fill the pokedex.
>>26480233
battling and becoming a champ has just as much focus, pokemon battle is one of the first things you ever do and catching is usually shown later
>>26480287
>battling and becoming a champ has just as much focus,
Not really, you're only doing the gym challenge to complete the Pokedex.
>>26478976
I loved how they incorporated the story into the elite 4.
>>26479832
>>26480224
Are you serious? Gen 6's plot with Team Flare and the AZ story was the most cringeworthy and half assed atempt at something resembling a narrative. The delivery and execution was just so fucking shite I don't know where to begin, not to mention the "characters".
Kek, I know this is pokemon and the standarts are already very low, but c'mon
>>26480472
The second post you linked is saying itself while he loves the idea itself it was horribly executed.
>>26480472
Elaborate.
>>26478899
I liked gen 4 and 5 a lot. Both had great things to offer.
Personally, not a fan of N or the original Team Plasma. So a slight advantage to Platinum for those reasons.
BW2 did a great job making Plasma great. N still felt like a swing-and-a-miss to me.
I also preferred the Dialga, Palkia, Giritna stuff more than Resh, Zek, and Kyurem.
>>26480569
>preferring anticlimactic gods
>>26480595
>opinion
>>26478958
You forgot to say all the leaders went up in arms against the sages--something we've never truly seen before so yeah, Gen 5 takes the cake
>>26480652
>implying it's an opinion that they were anticlimactic when the game didn't do anything with them
>>26479018
I will have to hand it to RSE for showing you what was happeneding, but it's just rain dance/sunny day. It's still better than a cutscene, but Plat and BW change the world
Let's see..."very first thing"? Gen 1: you almost step out into the world without a pokemon at all, meaning that none of this really matters to you. Gen 2: You run an errand for the Professor. Nothing that really has an significance at all, nor does it tell you what your motives are. Gen 3: You go to meet the professor and save him from a wild pokemon. Again, you have no real motives, but are essentially forced into battling. Gen 4: You're dragged on by Barry into his mess. Again with the forcing. Gen 5: Apparently, your friends think that pokemon are only for battling. Forcing again. Gen 6: You meet up with the neighbors and their friends and get a pokemon. Still no reason why you yourself are doing anything.
Perhaps this was the incorrect question to ask, but regardless, it's still going to make you battle someone, even if it's only against a wild pokemon. Make of that what you will. It is plain it is the impetus that drives progression in this game. In all instances, you're only fighting any villain team because they're in your way. In B/W 2 and X/Y, they give you the dex before you ever battle anyone, but you're still forced to battle before you do anything else. Apparently, battling is your primary premise, and not for any cause, either.
>>26478934
black only because I can't remember a thing about gen 4.
>>26479659
So, I take it you just turned 18 and your first games were gen 4 ?
>muh snow
>muh comfy
>muh marsh and snow added challenge to the games
Traaash
>>26479685
This thread was titled for gen 4 and 5
>>26480472
I liked the concept of it. It had a very strong fairy tale vibe to it that fit perfectly with XY's setting. The execution was terrible, though.
>>26478899
5 easily.
Changing up the classic formula (if only slightly) for the first and only time in BW and with the only (also perfect) sequel in the series with BW2. BW's climax right at the end of the game after the boss rush of Elite 4, N, and Ghetsis. BW2's climax didn't have that same kind of intensity, but greatly expands on Ghetsis' character in the end of the Plasma arc. BW2 is a bit like Platinum in that regard with building on characters from BW and introducing new ones.
Platinum builds upon and perfects the many flaws of DP with its Emerald-inspired Galactic story. However, since the game continues on to the 8th gym, Victory Road, and Elite 4 afterwards. The climax loses it's steam and dies down rather quickly before returning to classic formula.
But remember. This is Pokémon. Opinions. I personally cannot stand to play any 4th gen games after experiencing the speed of 5th gen games. 4th gen is just too slow to enjoy now. I look back on the times I did play with fond memories. Ayy lmao
>RATE YOUR FAVORITE GAMES NIGNOGS
BW > BW2 > XD (memes) > Emerald = Platinum > HGSS = GSC = RBY > Colosseum > FRLG > RS > DP
>POST YOUR FAVORITE POKÉMON
Wobbuffet
>POST YOUR FIRST GAME
Blue version
>SUN OR MOON?Sun for now
RS and E are mostly the same game, but E's little changes put it slightly over the top for me. HGSS was cool with its aesthetics and partner Pokémon, but 4th gen is too slow. I enjoy GSC and RBY because of their age and bugs. Colosseum games are fun because I am a slut for double battles and memes. DP was fun when it first came out, but became obsolete and unforgivable when Platinum came out.
>>26480944
The act of buying the game implies that you want to play it and experience its features. This is also heavily implied, if not outright stated, by NPCs to be the hero's primary motivation. Your character leaves home just for the sake of going on an adventure.
>>26480944
The player character serves as nothing more than the actual player's stand in and self insert. The game is advertised to you and tells you that you can catch, train and battle monsters. So because YOU wish you do that you decide to buy and begin the game and do just that. The pokemon league serves as milestones of how well a trainer you have become as you continue the journey that you started. The only objective is your own. You want to train and collect pokemon, and literally everything else is an obstacle to overcome so you can continue to do just that.
>>26480900
>but Plat and BW change the world
Black and White didn't.
Well not until Black and White 2 where they freeze opelucid.
Platinum is a bit of a stretch seeing as it only affected spear pillar and that's what I think that anon was getting at, they're gods but you don't really see a display of power proving it, just a fancy lightshow and a glorified room with nothing in it.
>>26480944
>In all instances, you're only fighting any villain team because they're in your way.
in a literal stance yes
in a moral stance, R/G/S/C/B/Y had a mafia that stole pokemon to rule the world, R/S/E had two teams wanting to rule the world through socialism and controlling how the earth was shaped while either drowning out humans or killing water pokemon who did not join. D/P/PT had a company based on providing energy that stole pokemon and gods of time/space to create a new world only for team galactic while destroying the current one and everyone it it because Cyrus knew there would never be peace here and the Distortion World proved his theory. B/W had a group of hippies that 'liberated' pokemon just like Rocket did calling trainers 'slavers' and tried to kill many with Kyurem. X/Y had a saturday night coffee meetup club that plotted to burn Kalos with an ancient destruction device and make it a natural habitat for pokemon one sip at a time.
>>26480944
>>26479769
You guys don't seem to understand the concept of a ROLE PLAYING game.
>>26478899
I feel like 5 is the closest you can get to a "serious" story in pokemon without making it edgy. The only improvement you could make is making Plasma less cartoony so their points about trainers and pokemon have more impact.
>>26481274
>TR
>Magma and Aqua
>Wanting to rule the world
>not wanting control of the region and altering the region respectively
They were never on the scale of world domination until DPPt which skipped a step and went for a universal reboot.
Technically only Black and White were true world domination plots.
Also you're not getting your point across when you sum it up like an idiot.
>>26481349
you would not want them to have too much impact, if the villain actually convince the player, it's somewhat tricky.
I almost said wynaut to lysandre.
>>26481349
>The only improvement you could make is making Plasma less cartoony so their points about trainers and pokemon have more impact.
Well Plasma weren't hippies you believed in their own words you know, it was only a front for their plans.
Except for N and a few Plasma stragglers that is and even then N was the only one who outright believed Pokemon and people should be separated permanently while the Plasma members eventually grew to like their Pokemon and didn't want to enact the plans of Ghetsis anymore.
>>26481367
Magma and Aqua both admitted sevreral time that they wanted to terreform the entire world and rule from Hoenn Exclusively
>Also you're not getting your point across when you sum it up like an idiot.
The point was to stop them moron, it doesn't get any simpler than that.
>>26481401
Not that N wanted segragation. He just didn't want pokemon unconditionally subjected to servitude. He loved pokemon and so does everyone else.
>>26481326
Don't blame me. RPGs were made to put you into a certain role. If you didn't want to play that role, then you shouldn't be here to start with.
>>26481202
5 is faster than 4 in battle but I feel like 5 is slower than 4 in the overworld, I have no proof of this though.
>>26481995
>I feel like 5 is slower than 4 in the overworld, I have no proof of this though.
Overworld in 5 and 4 both ran at 30fps but the surf speed in DP was slower.
As for Platinum certain areas of the game would drop frames.
>>26482181
Also battles in gen 5 were 60fps while they were 30 in DPPt
Gen 1. It was an epic twist to reveal a fifth member of the Elite Four
>>26480795
They didn't do anything?
Last two hours of B/W's main game were the most climactic part of any mainline game, it's what people usually refer to when they praise it's story. The climax in the sequels was good as well, so G5 wins overall too.
