>DISTINCTLY
>STRICTLY
>CLEAR DISTINCTION
>CLEARLY
>NOT
There's no consistency so no matter what printed material you use, it will eventually contradict itself therefore it's pointless to even try you're fucking autistic nothing of this is proof. Go chase some skirts or something
>>26460213
>never refer to pocket monsters as "monsters"
Uhh
>no real animals
So they DO barbecue Pokemon
Where can I read the full guideline booklet?
Also
>booklet continually breaking it's own damn rules
The anime has shown plenty of real non pokemon animals
>>26460235
Mr. Fugi called Mewtwo a Monster in Origins
The "MUH INDIAN ELEPHANTS" meme will only die once we finally have a region that ends up being pokeIndia, or once we get a true Indian Elephant mon to replace the text with.
Otherwise, that one tidbit will forever haunt the gaems.
>>26460242
Just check the archi- shit I hope someone saved all the pages.
>this
>>26460283
If I see a Pikachu with a heart tail I'm calling her a her, fuck you.
>>26460242
The archive had them all ;_;7
>>26460231
>Recent publication from 2011
>Debunks a huge plethora of shit dated before it
>"it's pointless"
>>26460283
I'm pretty sure the anime and the pokedex and pretty much everything confirm this too.
>>26460213
>Pokémon bible/style guide
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE REST OF THIS. GOOD LORD ME WANTIE.
>>26460283
>what is Mr. Mime
>>26460299
You're wrong on so many levels it's like talking to a wall. Try to actually respond to what I have to say. Not something I never said. Capiche?
>>26460235
>>26460258
The guide is written for random T-shirt producers and shit, these rules only apply to random fuckers that barely know what a Pokemon is. Neither the anime, the games, the manga series or any other shit produced by trusted partners have to follow any of this.
Oh, is this shit just a guideline for the anime? Eh, that's pretty irrelevant.
>>26460309
Who the fuck cares about Mr. Mime
>>26460299
>Recent
>2011
>>26460305
http://fgts.jp/vp/
So this confirms that people of the Pokemon world eat Pokemon.
>>26460313
>something I never said.
>direct quote
WEW
>>26460324
It's not, it's for product manifacturers in America. It makes a couple references to "how the anime does things", but a bunch of those aren't even correct.
>>26460305
It was from a marketing book, I can post some of the more interesting scans that I have saved.
>>26460331
nice dead archive, nerd
>>26460324
It's a handbook for employees.
>>26460213
What the fuck is this from?
>>26460309
Xe. Mime.
>>26460331
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>26460341
Okay, let me spell it out for you:
I did not say what you implied I did. Now go reread my post you idiotic mouthbreather
Man, I wish I had this back when some stupid ass was having a shit fit because Bulbapedia banned him because he was going around trying to FORCE the use of gendered pronouns and some mod told him "we don't use gendered pronouns for Pokémon".
Basically he was accusing them of being "sjw tumblrinas" trying to force some gender related agenda. When anons here were like "as much dumb shit goes on on Bulbapedia, they're right, Pokemon are officially referred to in gender neutral terms" he basically threw a secondary shitfit calling everyone SJWs.
I'm sure he wasn't older than 12.
>>26460327
everyone.r-right?
>>26460213
Outdated trash.
>>26460321
Well they pretty much do in any case in the games and anime, its the standard.
>>26460385
>last gen
>outdated
not by much
>>26460352
Or, you can create an entire pdf file of oneunless there is one, whose link you should post
>>26460352
>there is no food chain
>>26460374
>Pokemon cannot give orders to other Pokemon
Who exactly is this guidebook for? It can't be for the anime, since we've had exactly that as recent as Malamar.
>>26460384
last one I got
>>26460374
>Pokemon cannot give orders to other pokemon
>What is the Squirtle Squad?
>What is Mewtwo?
>What is Vespiquen?
>What is Fearow?
Such consistency.
>>26460213
That's Outdated inaccurate trash and According to the Pokédex.
It's Call " Earth in the games.
>>26460309
Good question.
>>26460419
>Outdated inaccurate trash
>From 2011
>That screenshot is from long before
What you just posted is even more outdated, inaccurate trash, DIPSHIT
>>26460386
Japanese arketing for the Diancie movie went out out of its way to specifically refer to Diancie as she/her instead of just dropping the pronoun like they usually do.
And that shit about "food in the anime being intentionally ambiguous" is complete horseshit.
>was reading the archived thread just weeks ago
>didnt think to save any images
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK
I have some saved as well.
>>26460395
In the games, It's call " Earth".
>>26460352
Yeah this is definitely something they hadn't established during the Indigo League series.
Also, so many Pokédex entries even in current episodes of the anime refer to hunting and predation it doesn't make a huge amount of sense.
>>26460438
>Cresselia is Legendary but Darkrai is Mythical
WHAT
>>26460438
>Lugia listed before Ho-Oh
>>26460428
Not true at all.
You need to read some Pokédex entries.
>>26460417
Aside from Mewtwo, those technically aren't Pokémon battles between Trainers.>>26460432
>>26460213
But there is a clear distinction in that japan isn't entirely composed of short routes and tall grass. If the regions can be designed to look the EXACT shape of actual regions in Japan then why can't the world map?
>>26460213
>Pikachu shook its head
>its
Thistriggersme in-game. Most pokemon are not an it, it's a he or she. They've done this since the beginning.
>>26460403
Product marketing.
![[PM]Pocket_Monsters_BW_Movie_3_-_Extremespeed_Genesect_-_The_Awakening_of_Mewtwo[SUB_1080P][B14AA1AE].mkv_snapshot_00.30.10_[2014.12.12_16.32.21].png](https://i.imgur.com/YS6eNK7.jpg "[PM]Pocket_Monsters_BW_Movie_3_-_Extremespeed_Genesect_-_The_Awakening_of_Mewtwo[SUB_1080P][B14AA1AE].mkv_snapshot_00.30.10_[2014.12.12_16.32.21].png")
>>26460443
This movie is newer than that marketing guide. It was never a rule in the first place.
>>26460442
>POSTS OUTDATED SCREENSHOT
FUCK OFF MEWTIST
>>26460455
If what you post was made BEFORE this book, it is considered debunked and not canon. :^)
>>26460404
>"Cubone's mother died protecting it from Team Rocket!"
>The soul of Cubone's mother was finally laid to rest.
>Literal Pokemon corpses embedded in stones around Geosenge City
>>26460432
For some reason, Snivy in Best Wishes was referred to as "she" several times.
Its sort of like the "rule" how engines in the original Thomas the Tank Engine from outside of Sodor weren't supposed to have faces, yet this happened more often than not.
>>26460477
So much potential.
What a waste.
>>26460438
May I ask what the difference is between the two categories. Unique vs really really rare?
>>26460472
In this case the guide is written by TPCi's marketing people, and they have no input on what the anime does. Every reference in the guide to the anime is just "this is how they do it, so you should do the same", with the "how they do it" bit not necessarily ACTUALLY being how they do it.
>>26460477
>zekrom
>key character
yeah right
Anyone remember how long ago these were posted? I might be able to find them.
>>26460404
I'll never understand the Zoroark movie's stupid obsession with going out of its way to repeatedly establish that Zoroark isn't Zorua's mother even though that was the obvious intention of their relationship and only would have improved the plot.
>>26460489
Catchable VS event-only.
>>26460489
non-event vs event
>>26460489
Mythical Pokémon are event only.
>>26460457
What the fuck? TCPi must be kidding right? How is any of this "confidential"?
>>26460489
Are you stupid or something senpai? Mythicals are all the ones that were originally available only through events.
>>26460477
Didn't know the Ying/Yang Duo were dragonlets.
>>26460505
I think I saved them when they wre first posted, and the files are all dated December 12, 2014. I could be remembering wrong though.
And I think that's all I have.
>>26460463
The standard for English is that animals are an object. Gendered pronouns are for human beings. In the English language, to call an animal he or she is an element of personification that we accept in common parlance, but it isn't "standard".But still, it triggers me too.
>>26460404
>>26460467
Another thing the anime does even though they claim otherwise.
Most of this shit is common sense, really. Only autists would argue that there are supposed to be IRL animals in the Pokemon world, or that Pokemon conception isn't supposed to be fully ambiguous.
>>26460465
You are all idoits.
Beldum Pokédex entry from Alpha Sapphire -
Beldum keeps itself floating by generating a magnetic force that repels earth's natural magnetism. When it sleeps, this Pokémon anchors itself to a cliff using the hooks on its rear.
Why all of You so inaccurate about Pokémon?
>>26460518
Kyogre is a Mythical Pokémon.
>>26460587
He's as much of a mythical pokemon as Arcanine is a legendary.
>>26460587
you are causing me to develop a legitimate trigger response to images of pokedex entries.
>>26460458
I'm pretty fucking positive there's been instances of Meowth commanding some Rocket mons in some episode at some point.
>>26460404
>no Pokémon ever dies
>no reference is ever made
>Ninetales is said to live up to a 1000 years in both the anime and the games
>mfw
This shit is inconsistent
What ARE the standards of the franchise, then? What IS Pokemon?
>There are no real animals in the pokemon world
>>26460545
Shit, no luck lads they weren't there. Hopefully there's at least one autist that saved them all.
>>26460634
thats a Watchog
>>26460467
It's primarily for selling licensed products that reflect the franchise. Considering the anime is/was a massive vehicle to sell products, like many children's cartoon shows, it makes sense for a lot of the guidelines to refer back to the anime, but it's intended for marketing designs for flagship and spinoff games, toys, etc.
So treating the marketing guide as canon would mean all franchise related things are in one single canon.
>>26460565
>earth
The distinction is that "the world of Pokemon" is a separate place than our earth, since they are selling a fantasy world.
>>26460546
>standard
>isn't regularly used
And this is why "proper" grammar is bullshit.
>>26460213
>people will take a product marketing manual as more canon than the games that they play
>>26460649
Cry harder, Mewtist
>>26460464
>hotdog
>meat
>refer to Pokémon as "it" instead of "he" or "she
>minimize references to Pokémon parenthood or family ties
>"fainted" expression should not be used in merchandise
I like how all these things exist purely to make the fact that you're owning and exchanging sapient beings and making them hurt each other as distant as possible.
>>26460587
English marketing didn't start using the "mythical" term until late gen 4 for some retarded reason, and just referred to both legendaries and mythicals as "legendary" instead.
The Earth- the planet
the earth- the ground
I'm so confused.
>>26460523
This is supposed to be behind the scenes stuff.
You get this a lot when you work in merchandising actually, its not at all unique to Pokémon or gaming.
>>26460489
Mechanically it's non-events vs. events.
Canonically sightings of Mythicals is supposedly even more seldom than Legendaries, but that's about it.
>>26460632
Everything this guide claims about the anime seems to be based purely off the writer's shitty memory and nothing else.
>>26460665
its because they realized they had too many legendaries so they had to reclass half of them
TPCi are retards
>>26460689
Yeah, but the "mythical" term has been used in Japan since what, gen 2?
TPCi was actively and deliberately ignoring its existence and classifying all the mythicals under an existing label meant for other Pokemon instead.
GUYS.
Literally what this is, is TCPi putting yokes on merchandisers so they don't have to say no to shit that they wouldn't do themselves, even if it means making blanket categorical rules for third parties that they don't necessarily follow themselves.
And keep in mind, this is intended for people who may know little to nothing about Pokémon and might work for some random company that got commissioned by TCPi to do a line of Pokémon shirts or something like that.
>>26460707
>The nips sold out during Gen 2
>We didn't drop the ball 'til Gen 4
>>26460645
I know, I'm an English major.
What's the point of the mythical v legendary distinction anyway? The words a rwprqctically synonyms and is there any real reason to have two totally seperate terms for in game legends and event only legends anyway? Since when was there a need for the distinction?
>>26460643
I don't wanna hear your inaccurate bull and You are not a official source.
Pokémon World is Earth with extra regions.
>>26460587
The Japanese version of that entry says "shinwa no Pokemon", not "maboroshi no Pokemon", so that's just the translator fucking up hard.
>>26460651
The manual goes on to say that pokemon are never eaten, and never explicitly die. But there are pokemon graveyard in every game.
There's more like that. You'd have to have terminal autism to believe that over what the game explicitly tells you
>>26460661
Good one. Really.
>>26460723
Legendaries are cool, Mythicals are for plushies.
>>26460673
Are you insane?
You people are dumb as hell.
>>26460723
Because no matter ho used you are to fan terms like "event legendary", they ARE two completely separate types of Pokemon. Might as well as what the point of having a legendary vs not legendary distinction.
>>26460729
>But there are pokemon graveyard in every game.
They literally talk about this on the same fucking page, can you not read without raging with autism?
>>26460739
No, he's right. Look up how the word "earth" is used grammatically.
>>26460710
This.
Nearly everyone ITT is a fucking moron who doesn't understand how product approval guidelines work. It's not a fucking "bible" and there are no strict rules in place here, although we can safely assume that most of the statements in the book will remain followed.
>>26460727
I don't wanna hear your inaccurate bull.
You are not a official source.
>>26460723
>a rwprqctically
There are typos, and then there's this.
>>26460734
Not true, Darkrai, Arceus?, and previously Deoxys are "mythical". And still a pointless and contrived difference. Did they need a simple word for Pokemon not usable in VGC or something?
>>26460744
You people are dumb as hell.
It's sad really. None of you are official sources.
The franchise has no rules anyway. The only thing that remains consistent across all portrayals officially is the appearance of the pokemon themselves, and even that can shift in certain ways.
>>26460754
GO FUCK YOURSELF MEWTIST
>>26460752
What makes it contrieved? The distinction between "mythical" and "not mythical" is pretty clear. The latter can be obtained in the games, the former are event only.
It's the "legendary" term that's less useful.
>>26460620
The Pokédex is always right.
>>26460778
BAN MEWTIST
>>26460213
Real-life animal appears in the anime, so this is bullshit.
>>26460778
That particular entry is mistranslated in the English version, though.
>>26460213
It's selling the idea of a fantasy world, of course it's not going to say it's meant to be planet earth.
There is no conclusive evidence the four "Japan" regions are not meant to be geographically analogous to their real world Japan counterparts. It's made ambiguous for purposes of telling a story.
>in b4 South America, Indian elephant, etc.
It's like George Martin taking the British Isles and flipping them around and calling it Westeros. It's meant to be something familiar and real, but it's different enough that you can believe it's a fantasy creation.
>>26460789
No they don't. Those are Pokemon.
>>26460627
I cause nothing.
I was just showing the original poster that It's wrong about Pokémon World not being Earth.
>>26460742
They are not "completely seperate types of Pokemon". The only difference mechanically is that currently Pokemon labeled as " mythical" are not available in game. Deoxys was mythical, but now it's not since it was available in ORAS in game. That just shows there's no real definitive thing.l that makes a pokemon"mythical" as opposed to "legendary". Why use those words? I feel like your " fan term" jab was an attempt to invalidate my issue as something whiny and I only cared about because it's not something I'm "used to" when I don't care that they want to make a distinction between in game available "legendary" Pokemon and "legendary" Pokemon that aren't available in the games.
>>26460744
I am not raging with autism, this whole thread is making me laugh tho. It'll be even better to see these quotes show up without context in other threads arguing that pokemon can't breed because they're technically not related.
>>26460805
>That just shows there's no real definitive thing.l that makes a pokemon"mythical" as opposed to "legendary".
Whether or not it can be obtained in the games. You literally said it yourself.
>>26460770
It seems that almost everyone here is a complete Noob.
Pokémon World is Earth with extra regions.
Lol. The Pokédex confirm this fact.
>>26460750
It's called a stroke.
>>26460213
>indian elephants
>>26460795
Nah. None of that is true and you are not a official source.
Stop making up stuff please.
>>26460785
We're talking about Pokémon. We're not talking about me.
stay on topic please.
>>26460810
Technically, that's an unrelated issue. I doubt you can prevent it, everyone here is too stupid to say what they really feel.
>>26460775
Then sure, legendary is the pointless word. I don't care which one is the pointless word, but the only thing that makes the two groups different is that one doesn't appear in the games in normal play. Legendary Pokemon are literally "mythical" but they aren't Mythical Pokemon and Legendary is a totally seperate category? It doesn't make a lot of sense, the only difference between virtually similar words is that they aren't available in game, and that distinction can change on a whim depending on what they want to do as it did with Deoxys. That's exactly arbitrary or contrived.
>>26460850
And thus why "canon" does not exist. For anything.
You fucking morons.
See, >>26460710
I thought it was cool that these were getting posted as a chance to see some of the behind the scenes of merch guidelines, but now I'm just mad because i'm remindded that you're all goddamn regards, i dont give a shit if my typing is ass, you faggots dont even deserve me proofreading this shit.
>>26460634
The fuck is this from?
>>26460862
Pokemon
>>26460862
God are you that young.
>>26460862
I WANT SUMMER TO END
>>26460384
This same fucking yellow logo from the '90s.
>>26460873
I now decree this statement to be completely bullshit.
>>26460850
>this simple term that just means "Pokemon that can't be obtained in the game" is arbitrary or contrived because it no longer applies to one single Pokemon it used to apply to in the past, specifically because they made it available in a game.
What
>>26460831
You forgot about chameleons.
>>26460827
Or a dying messeji
>>26460850
"Mythical" is just a localization of the word Japan has always used for them (maboroshi, which was usually translated as something like "illusionary" before getting an official Western term). It's similar to the awkward "Forms" vs "Formes" thing that also came from trying to localize Japanese terminology.
I don't think there's any more complex reason for the term beyond Japan having one.
>>26460634
DELET THIS
>>26460266
In pokémon games, any reference to real world is actually a reference to fiction, it's as if you said that the poison of a spider could kill an unicorn, "real animals" are actual mythical creatures, not like Ho-oh, I mean creatures that do not exist outside of fiction in the pokemon world, it just so happens that India, Elephants and China are fictional places/creatures etc...
Source: My Ass
>>26460452
Best goes first.
>>26460919
>"Forms" vs "Formes"
what was the deal with that anyway?
>>26460213
Pikachu looks really cute in that pose
>>26460886
Yeah, I'm saying the distinction is stupid and arbitrary because they can arbitrarily decide when a Pokemon doesn't fall under the category anymore and because the categories are not well named. What's the problem? How can you defend this? TPCi doesn't need a random person on the internet to defend their flawed decisions and they also don't need to satisfy another random person's want for consistent and aptly named distinction. But the fact that the difference is neither of those things doesn't change regardless of whether you defend it or dislike it. So how can you defend what's clearly a flawed and entirely pointless distinction? Why does it my exist? Why are all these Pokemon that are the stuff of legends not all legendary or all stuff of myths not mythical?
>>26460919
>which was usually translated as something like "illusionary"
That was just "I totally know Japanese guiz" faggots looking up the word in a dictionary, though. "Maboroshi no" does mean legendary/mythical/etc in this context, not "illusionary". That term doesn't even make sense.
>>26460863
>>26460867
>>26460873
I'm 26, seen all episodes of Pokemon up until BW, that shit was trash, and I legitimately don't remember this scene.
>>26460937
A "form" is purely cosmetic while a "Forme" changes the Pokemon's stats or type or something else in some way.
>>26460710
I'd also suggest it's for any advertising company for specifics for writing blurbs and so forth and sort of "legalese" for any spokesperson to follow as a guideline, like if they're at some event or tradeshow and someone asks if Pikachu died when his HP hit zero.
>>26460940"Come on Ash, stop being a prude and put it in me already."
>>26460937
It's a quirk of Japanese writing. Forme is French and is usually written in Japanese the same way as it is written in Pokemon games, but, I believe the real intention was for it just to be "form". I'd need to look up the trademark to be certain.
>>26460954
Maiden's Peak.
And that was AFTER the actual earthworms in Episode 1, and the actual fish in Cerulean Gym.
>>26460919
But I mean, why is there such a strict distinction? Is there any practical reason? Illusionary sic, mythical, legensary, etc. are all synonymous. Why did we need a word to seperate "legendary" Pokemon that are available in game and "legendary" (not Legendary) Pokemon that aren't? For VGC? Was mythical and legendary really the best word choice to make them distinct?
>>26460974
No, see >>26460964
It's Sugata and Forme in Japanese, so they're much more easily identifiable as separate terms there.
>>26460937
Japan distinguishes purely cosmetic changes (like Keldeo) from things like Deoyxs. "Forme" was apparently the best translation they could come up with for the later.
>>26460964
Cherrim. Good day.
>>26460979
>why do we need separate terms to differentiate things that are different from each other.
>>26460634
what is retconing
we all know the early anime didn't have a clue
have you not noticed that it's been years since they last appeared in the anime?
>>26460891
I guess I just didn't see them
>>26461001
But they aren't different. They work exactly like the other legendary Pokemon. I don't call Surfing Pikachu or Notch Ear Pichu "regular Pokemon" as opposed to "normal pokmon" you can catch in game. The distinction serves no purpose.
>>26460995
That's a mistranslation, Cherrim's "forms" are called Formes in nip.
>>26461027
And gender differences are...
>>26460985
Forms aren't purely cosmetic. Stuff like Castform' variations are called sugata in Japanese.
>>26461026
>The distinction serves no purpose.
It serves the purpose of Pokémon that can be caught legitimately through normal gameplay and Pokémon that can only be legitimately obtained through giveaways and special events.
>>26461041
Officially neither.
>>26460979
Really, I think it just came down to some NoA guys translating something that had both Japanese words, so one turned to the other and asked "what do we usually translate this as?" and the other one replied "I guess they're both just 'Legendary'?". Then one of the higher ups said "oh, I didn't know that. Just come up with a word for it and we'll add it to the glossary"
I don't think it was created because there was any pressing need for it. It was just something to make direct translations a bit easier.
>>26461027
That's what my point is. Cherrim's stats don't change, just it's appearance. Why is the distinction "Forme" on it, then?
>>26461049
But why do I need that distinction, and why don't Pokemon with other features unavailable in normal gameplay not have their own word that had to be strictly used, and why would th ey choose a word to distinguish them that are for all intents and purposes and synonyms?
>>26461053
>Cherrim's stats don't change, just it's appearance.
>Due to its Ability Flower Gift, its Attack and Special Defense will also increase in its Sunshine Form.
It would have been better if they used the terms "Legendary" and "Super Legendary".
>Richard the Mewtist vs an actual Pokemon Merchandising Bible Thumper
I'm not sure who's more autistic.
>>26461062
>But why do I need that distinction
Here's probably the main reason they even adopted the language to begin with.
Lets say TCP is doing a Pokémon distribution, like the ones' they've been coincidentally doing all year.
If they announce "We'll be distributing Legendary Pokémon.", it means that the Pokémon will be ones that can be caught during normal gameplay.
If the announce "We'll be distributing Mythical Pokémon." it makes it clear with as few words as possible that the Pokémon being distributed can't be obtained through normal gameplay.
If you seriously require further explanation than this, I'm guessing you're either not fast on the uptake, or are just fucking around.
>>26461074
Flower Gift is a blanket buff to all pokemon present on your side. It is not changing the base number of the stat.
>>26461052
I think my biggest problem is that there is such a strict distinction that they can do a promotion for "mythical pokemon" and that a style guide forces people who make product to not call Celebi "legendary" or Ho-Oh "Mythical". I can understand a want or need to make sure different words in Japanese get translated differently and consistently. I get that. But it isn't just making sure a word is translated consistently, it'a a whole category, and one that's so fluid and one Pokemon can fall under either a given point. If the category is so necessary as a distinction, why can Deoxys be mythical and legendary later? But if there is no importance to it beyond "how it's available", why is the word choice make the distinction so vague and why would they make categorize them so that they can run a promotion that could later feature Pokemon that may not even be Mythical in the future?
>>26460359
IIRC, some guy's roommate worked at a marketing company that went under. While he was cleaning out the office, he saw it and decided to grab it since he knew his roommate liked Pokemon. Even the anon who originally had it didn't seem to realize what a big deal it was until he posted a few pictures here and everyone freaked out over it.
>>26461125
Why would you call Celebi a legendary? Why is that more confusing than not calling Pikachu a legendary?
>>26461150
This isn't about about what you call Pikachu and Celebi. It's about what you call Celebi and, say, Azelf. You know Pikachu isn't "legendary" because it isn't the stuff of legends which is, paraphrasing, the definition of "legendary". Both Azelf and Celebi are " legendary" or "mythical". But only one is Legendary and one Mythical.
>>26461125
Because until ORAS came out, Deoxys was this super special Pokemon it was impossible to have unless you went to some official distro event.
After ORAS came out, it became just some Pokemon you found one of at the end of the game.
Pretty big distinction between the two.
>>26461178
If your familiarity with Pokemon is so shit you don't know which Pokemon are mythical and which are legendary, you'll need to refer to a list of what Pokemon are considered what anyway to avoid classifying shit like Volcarona as a legendary.
>>26461178
The terms are so similar that most people probably don't even realize there's a distinction. Besides, the Deoyxs thing was so out of left field that even the fans can't agree on whether or not the thing still counts as an event Pokemon.
>>26460374
Am I the only one who thinks that master ball pattern looks like it would be on blotter paper?
>>26461098
>Steven Tumblrverse
>calling anyone else autistic
>>26461184
But we callnit Legendary now, so it isn't "just some Pokemon you find at the end of the game". But now it's not " Mythical" Using real English words (or even the Japanese ones, this isn't just about the translations, but the distinction and word choice in general), mythical and legendary are the same. But the words mean different things in Pokemon because of an arbitrary distinction made by TPCi. But those could have been any words they wanted, like "event only" or whatever. There was no need for the distinction being made with a poor word choice there. And for Pokedex entries or random dialogue in game, they wouldn't know the difference between "mythical" and "legendary". The practical purpose anof having different words translate different is fine, but that's a literary thing. When people say "legendary" and "stuff of legends", the words are different and should bw translated accordingly but they mean the same thing.
>>26461240
>But those could have been any words they wanted, like "event only" or whatever.
That's literally what "mythical Pokemon" is defined as.
What does it matter? They changed how a pokemon was available, therefore the distinction is purposeless.
>>26460634
There were also regular fish in one of the SS Anne episodes.
>>26461252
I know that's literally what it's defined as. I don't know who keeps making this post like I have any confusion on what it is despite the reply being over and over "you said the distinction is" . even if you think I'm being autistic and complaining over nothing how could you think the reason I'm whining is because I don't know what it is? Am I not being clear?
>>26461240
But it's the simplest definition ever.
Is this Pokemon event only?
If yes: It's a Mythical
If no: It's not a Mythical
The distinction between "Legendary" and "not Legendary" is far more complex than that simple check.
>>26461240
They needed a word that sounds like it's a tier above "Legendary" in terms of rarity, so they went with "Mythical". You're just nitpicking cool-sounding words.
>>26460723
Mythicals don't count for full dex. Legendaries do.
>>26461279
Mythical isn't a tier above legendary though
They are prwctically synonyms. The man, the myth, the legend. Myths and legends. No, I don't know what they could have called it, and yeah I suppose it is nitpicking. We know what the distinction is, but I don't understand why it was necessary. No one was scratching their head before going "why are we calling mew legendary when it's not available in game like other legendaries?"
>>26461005
Early Pokemon didn't have a clue. They realized having a new batch in the hundreds discovered every few years didn't make any sense, so they changed Pokemon from a new discovery to something that's always been a part of the world.
>>26461234
>getting triggered by an image
>calling anyone else autistic OR Tumblr
>>26460464
Haven't you people figured it out yet?
The guide isn't for Nintendo/Nintendo affiliates/People working directly with Nintendo, and by Nintendo you can also add "Gamefreak" and "The Pokémon Company" there.
It's for companies like Hasbro,WotC and clothing companies whose products don't undergo direct supervision and are released directly to the market.
Nintendo/Gamefreak/TPC can do whatever the fuck THEY want because it's THEIR goddamn property. If they want to put hotdogs in a movie made under THEIR direct supervision it's their business!
>>26460451
Have you literally never played a Pokémon game?
>>26461240
See >>26461327 and shut up.
>>26460452
Lugia comes before Ho-Oh in pokedex order
>>26461328
Also is "maboroshi" or whatever even a tier above "densetsu" or whatever they use for legendary? I don't know Japanese strictly speaking so I don't know but I always got the impression the word was still a sidegrade in the same mythical/legensary are. Maybe it really is just a bad translation.
>>26461357
But nintendo's own definition is that they are event only Pokemon, not that they aren't needed for the Pokedex.
How does it feel that the setting bible for Pokemon requires you to learn Pikachu's pronouns?
>>26461375
No, that's your definition.
>>26461394
Like scum
Cis scum
>>26461365
Generally, anything with official rarity names, in nearly any language, just comes down to "Mega Rare is rarer than Ultimate Rare because we say so". There's not really a set hierarchy, so it's whatever the guy coming up with the terms thinks sounds more grandiose.
>>26461406
Your definition is your definition.
>>26461375
I know. But anons keep asking why we need the distinction. It's not arbitrary. It serves a purpose. Saying "mythicals aren't needed for the dex" is more practical than saying "you dont need (all mons here) for the dex". And those mons are preciselt the event mods because not everyone can access events.
>>26461365
"Densetsu no" and "maboroshi no" mean pretty much the same
Gib a jap source you fucking idiots
>>26461416
Maybe the proem is like the one guy said and it's with Legendary and not mythical. Maybe they should have changed legendary to be something that implies abnormal strength or other storied aspects but is something tangible. No idea what word that would be. I kind of get what they were going for with mythical (not real, translates to not available in game) but legendary has the same undertones.
>>26460419
>>26460455
Fuck off, Richard.
>>26461365
>Densetsu
でんせつ
伝説
Noun
1. tradition; legend; folklore
>maboroshi
まぼろし
幻
Noun, No-adjective
1. phantom; vision; illusion; dream; apparition
>>26461426
Having a defined distinction doesn't make something not arbitrary. In fact something will usually only get pointed at as arbitrary of there is some distinction which is what draws attention to it.
>>26461477
Whatever dictionary you're quoting doesn't account for how "mabaoroshi" is used here. It's what caused the >>26460952 issue.
>>26461083
We Dragon Ball Z now.
>>26460369
You have to be as dumb as a progressive if you think a product manual that isn't consistent with the series is justification for that.
>>26461491
If it has a REASON behind it then it's not arbitrary. We've explained the reason lots of times by now: it's to discern event mons from not event mons + mons that count for the dex and those that don't.
Why is this so hard for you?
>>26461493
A dictionary usually has the different meanings/uses for a word. I can't find what >>26460952 says. Why does maboroshi change meaning in the Pokémon context?
>>26461491
For a good example, see >>26461416
In yugioh you have ultra rare and super rare for example. There is no difference between the words ultra and super literally, but they made the arbitrary distinction that ultra is rarer than super. There's no reason for it. It just is because they said so. In the same way mythical isn't really rarer or otherwise distinct from legendary.
>>26461557
It doesn't change meaning "in the Pokemon context", but the way Pokemon uses it in the term "maboroshi no Pokemon" is a way that dictionary doesn't mention it can be used it.
>>26461557
Arbitrary doesn't mean without reason. Neither does contrived. They both mean basically without a GOOD reason. No one is confused that by Pokemon's definition mythical = event only and legendary = in game. What makes it "arbitrary" or "contrived" is that there is no reason those words should be different (and I strongly believe there is no GOOS reason we needed a distinction between "dabled Pokemon you acquire in game" and "fabled Pokemon you acquire via other means but whatever), the difference is only because Gamefreak says they are different.
>>26461610
goose reason
>>26461557
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/209461/meaning/m0u/
Definition 2 is "Something so rare even its very existence is uncertain". That dictionary of yours ignores both that and definition 3 ("someone that performs magic").
>>26461628
>GOOS reason
The Slime is not male ! The reason is because LOOK AT IT, it is clearly a female
>>26461610
>there is no reason those words should be different
There is. We just told you the reasons, the fact you don't like them is another deal.
>Arbitrary doesn't mean without reason.
ar•bi•trar•y /ˈɑrbJˌtrɛri/ adj.
decided on or done by personal discretion, rather than by reason: an arbitrary decision.
capricious; unreasonable;
unsupported: an arbitrary demand for obedience.
>Neither does contrived.
Contrived means something was forced. I don't see how it was.
>>26461610
>Arbitrary doesn't mean without reason. Neither does contrived. They both mean basically without a GOOD reason.
>let me change the meaning of words for my argument
>>26461557
It's a thing similar to how Japan uses the word "Star" to refer to planets sometimes. It's used in this context so often in Japan that Japanese people know to infer that it's referring to a planet rather than an actual star. In English, you'd almost never refer to a planet as a star unless you were trying to be extremely poetic.
It's a similar case here. It's obvious in Japanese that it's referring to something rare rather than an actual illusion, but English doesn't use the word "Illusion" like that. Some dictionaries take these types of usages into account, while others don't.
>>26460404
This article is confirming that mini-Kangaskhan is an individual Pokémon, mystery solved.
>>26461667
You are a dumb nigger and I bet you think you were smart quoting a dictionary definition too. It says "without reason", not " without a reason". Reason in context means for any logical or necessary purposes.
not based on any particular plan, or not done for any particular reason
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/arbitrary
Mythical and legendary are not words that mean different things. They were given a different meanings in a context based on Gamefreak's needs. That is a contrived or arbitrary difference. If you want to argue semantics then I'm done. You keep acting like the issue is that I think there is no difference between the two when I've said in every post that there is a difference but not in the words chosen to describe them (and also the lack of a good reason to have "legendaries available in game and legendaries that aren't" as a distinction, no one cares to differentiate Pokemon with event moves not available in normal gameplay with different words) That difference is contrived. It's created. It isn't a natural difference between the words.
>>26461676
Literally what TPCi did for "mythical" and "legendary" so it seems fair game if people can defend that.
>>26460309
A name that only exists in the english games
>>26460352
>when eating is featured in the pokemon animated series, special care is taken to ensure that the food is not animal based.
>>26461394
Considering they're standard reasonable pronouns and not novelty newspeak created by a preteen who identifies as a three headed sea serpent on Tumblr, perfectly fine.
>>26461873
Pokemon aren't animals. Theyre also not monsters. Checkmate atheists
>>26460238
Yes. especially the fish ones
>>26461777
Ok, I'm starting to see the problem. I understand what you're trying to say better now. Sorry for any confusion.
Mythical and legendary here are used as classifications. I don't think GF or TPCi ever denied they mean the same thing? Same in Japanse (btw thanks to everyone that answer >>26461557 explaining that.)
They're all Pokémon from legends/myths. But to mark a difference in game mechanics (events+dex) they use different words that are still synonyms to call them.
Look at this like a person with two fathers. They call one "dad" and the other "papa". They mean the same shit, but a distinction is there to make things easier when talking about them.
>>26461534
> isn't consistent with the series
Actually this specific factoid from the manual is the most consistently followed thing in all of TCPi/Nintendo/GameFreak's official English language material for Pokémon.
Some douchebag was literally getting triggered because they wanted to call Machamp "he" throughout the Machamp Bulbapedia article when Machamp in the games can be either male or female, and accused people of making shit up to push a "liberal agenda" when they told him that not only are Pokémon always referred to in gender neutral terms in official material, but that its actually incorrect to refer to Machamp as male in general in its article as a matter of accuracy.
>>26460332
yep
Those were probably meant for the writers or other behind the scenes crew
Pic related, is a leaked photo from what Matt Groening would give to the animators or writers
>>26461910
I was starting to get really pissed after trying to be reasonable this whole time but this was such a reasonable response that I can't help but feel awkward now. The analogy doesn't really work because there is no right or wrong whether that persona dad is referred to as Papa or dad, but there is now a right or wrong when you want to call a "legendary" Pokemon legendary or Mythical even though the words mean the same thing.
You guys are literally exhibiting clinically autistic behavior.
Today I had to break up a fist fight in which two nine year olds were screaming at each other over subway car classifications and then I get home and try to unwind and see this shit.
I have it coming for being on a board for adults who like Pokemon, but still, can you pretend not to be the exact people that the kids I work with will be a decade from now.
>>26460464
Man, those are some nice looking Tofu dogs.
>>26461929
They're for Western merchandisers, like people who write unofficial strategy guides and promotional packaging. They don't want, for example, a blurb about how much Pikachu loves meatloaf on the back of a box of Kid Cuisine.
>>26461946
U MAD?
M
A
D
?
>>26461967
This has been explained countless times, this thread is too busy shoving the Freedom Tower up its ass to understand.
