ITT we fix types
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People already have ideas on how to fix Ice, you can talk about that just fine.
What about Rock? Rock types routinely get dicked over by being quad weak to attacks by being part Ground (which overall is better), so how do we deal with that?
Grass Types? I don't even know where to begin to make them less fucked in the meta.
Psychic type? It's been indirectly nerfed by the likes of Dark (which also is a bit fucked) and Fairy, and risks being made redundant.
>>26421916
You can't fix what isn't broken.
bug probably needs to be fixed more. I'd say reverse the fairy relationship so it resists it instead of the other way around and then get rid of another types resistance to it or something
>>26421929
/thread
Rock, as a type, is completely fine.
It just needs a special based attack with decent accuracy that isn't utter garbage with reasonable distribution, and then they have to start making some FAST Rock types. Especially those Rock types with unique type combinations. Aurourus would shit on everything if it was fast.
Basically if the people making Pokémon ever took the time to understand their own game we'd have plenty of viable Rock types.
Grass and Dark are in an interesting spot. They're both pretty shitty types, but they also both have something going for them. For Dark, it's just STAB Knock Off, which is pretty good but eh, only some extra damage from a Dark-type on a strong utility move. Grass, though, while a worse type than Dark, gets a number of useful moves that are pretty much specific to them such as Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Spore, and Leech Seed. I think it would be interesting if Grass and Dark types got more utility moves specific to both of them, rather than just flatly buffing them via blanket changes.
>extremely fast and frail (120-130 speed) special attacking rock type with technician/parental bond to abuse ancient power
Have Scald do 2x Damage on Ice-types a la freeze dry
fixed
>>26422031
What the FUCK exactly do you think you just fixed?
>>26421983
How is Dark shitty?
>Resistance to Dark, only type to resist Ghost and immunity to Psychic
>has 3 weaknesses which is the same as its reistances
grass already has a shit ton of support moves and abilities
>>26422110
ice is fixed in the same way you would get your dog fixed
>>26422119
Weak to the best type in the game, U-Turn, and a common coverage type, resists only itself and another type that is basically just a clone of itself, immune to a poor attacking type that you seldom even see used. Not all weaknesses and resistances are created equal, dark has it quite bad for them.
>Bug resists Fairy
>Ice resists Water, Flying and Grass
>Psychic resists Fairy
>Poison resists Water, and is SE against Normal
Fixed
>>26422031
Not fixed but that just makes sense. Boiling water should do more damage to Ice Types, and they even have Freeze Dry so...
>>26422031
It should, but switch resistance around so that Ice resists Water, and Water no longer resists Ice.
Scald should be SE against Ice
Freeze-Dry would still be SE against Water.
>poison is SE against normal, fighting and bug
>ice and flying no longer weak to rock
>rock immune to poison, resists fairy and electric, se against fairy and electric, weak to ice
>steel SE against dragons, regain dark and ghost resistances
>psychic immune to dark, se against dark and ghost
>>26422352
Dude that will break the meta
>>26422352
>nerfing normal and bug
stopped reading there
Psychic
>Resists Fairy
>SE against Fairy
>Immune to confusion
By making Psychic better, this has the added benefit of making Dark, it's counter, better
Bug
>No longer resisted by Fairy
>Immune to mental effects (e.g. Taunt, Torment, etc)
Grass
>Restore 1/8th HP if weather is rainy or sunny
Ice
>remains the dedicated shit type
A shitton of /vp/ thinks that Ice is in need of fixing.
It is not.
Weavile and Kyurem-Black are incredible Pokemon, as well as Memoswine and even Jynxin previous generationsto an extent. Ice has three types that resist is, one of which being itself. It's an incredible coverage move and hits most types for at least neutral damage.
The problem is that Game Freak continues to churn out Ice-types that are slow and supposed to be bulky, like Avalugg, Lapras, Walrein, Regice.
Most of /vp/ overlooks Bug. Bug is literally the worst type in the game. Defensively, Flying outclasses Bug in every way. Offensively, Bug is resisted by EIGHT fucking types. That's more than every other type in the game.
Let's not forget the lack of relevant Bug-types. Most Bug-types are shitmons that grow fast but are relatively weak. This is fine from an in-game standpoint, but when it comes to discussing balance it's still a huge flaw.
Someone might bring up U-Turn as an example of why Bug-type is good. U-Turn is good because of its utiity. If U-Turn was Flying-type, it would see just as much usage (assuming Scizor would become Flying-type as well for that juicy Technician STAB momentum). What I'm saying is that U-Turn is used because of its utility, NOT because of its typing.
How can we fix Bug-type?
1. Like Ice, introduce more powerful Bug-types.
2. Remove some of the resistances to Bug. Fighting, Ghost, and Fairy have no business resisting Bug. Make it neutral.
Without adding more moves or making Bug SE against anything else, this drastically improves the typing.
>>26422533
nah
>>26422533
How is Fairy even resistant to bugs? Shit doesn't add up to me
>>26422533
It's made to be lowly
>>26422533
Problem with Ice is that it's a great attacking type and a shit defensive type. Yet, all Ice keeps getting, outside of a few outliers, is a bunch of "bulky" slow mons, while Ice moves continue to have great distribution in other types. Water functions as a better Ice attacker than many Ice types.
A lot of their special stuff, like Hail, is also meant to encourage defensive play, something that, again, is not their strength.
perfect chart incoming
>>26428305
>add a type to nerf psychic and buff fighting
>"let's change it so it doesn't affect psychic at all!"
what the literal fuck is wrong with you
>>26428291
Here's the problem with the "ice is allowed to have no resists because it's strong offensively" rebuttal. Ice is strong offensively because it hits lot of offensive pokemon/types super effectively, and lots of key pokemon 4x effectively. However it's resisted by steel and water, extremely important key defensive types. This means ice is a fantastic coverage type, but ironically a lackluster STAB because it lacks spammability and neutral coverage. Ice being good offensively != ice pokemon being good.
Ice resists and neutral vs. Water, make more fast ice-types
Bug neutral vs. Ghost and Fairy
Psychic immune to confusion and all "mental" effects
Grass neutral vs. Steel and gets better 90-100BP move distribution
Make Grass immune to Water, or even better, gain HP equal to 1/8 of the BP of the move used
>grass water combos in doubles
