Just finished the main game on this for the first time. Easily my favorite experience ever with a Pokemon game. The story here blows the others out of the water, how can anyone say its the worst plot? Did they not reach the Ghetsis reveal? Or did they just miss the entire point?
I'm getting sidetracked. Gen 5 appreciation thread.
Just because it's the 'best' doesn't mean it's 'good'
I still think the original story from the gen 1 games is the best. Even gen 2 is alright.
Some time ago i made a thread of how i hated gen 5 because no pokemon from other regions, how the gen 5 pokemons were ugly and other stuff.
People bashed me till death
Ended up loving the game, first time i enjoyed a pokemon main game story
>Easily my favorite experience ever with a Pokemon game. The story here blows the others out of the water
yeah if anybody argues with you on this they are either crazy or trolling you man
gen5 was topnotch
You guys think it's worth getting an actual cart of BW1 to memory link for my challenge mode B2 run?
Here's my E4 team on my first playthrough.
>>26417042
How could you get past the shitty music?
>>26417093
Just play Blaze Black instead
>>26417093
>Scolipede
>Volcarona
>>26417098
I loved the soundtrack, man. Some of the best compositions from Junichi. Gen 4 and 2 are great as well, but Black/White's really complimented the games themselves.
>>26417075
>Just because it's the 'best' doesn't mean it's 'good'
You're right, I guess. It wasn't great, but I'd say it was definitely good, or at least good enough for me to be enjoying myself the whole way through. And by Pokemon standards, it's fucking great.
If you go in with low expectations, it's an amazing experience.
>>26417098
I loved the music
Wild pokemon battle was awesome
Elite 4 theme was awesome
Elite 4 preparation/pokemon league was awesome too
>>26417098
This is gen V, not IV
>>26417042
I love White 2, I still play it
>>26417133
OP here, haven't played B2/W2 yet. Don't even know much about them. Hoping for a great time. How does the story hold up compared to B/W? I'm really impressed by what they did with the first games, I wanna know if the sequels are on a similar level, plot wise.
>>26417117
I dunno dude. I think BW2 is one of the best games in the series, but there's only five tracks I actually enjoy, and one of them is a remix of the game start music from DPPt.
>>26417098
><>J
>>26417142
Just different tastes. I personally enjoy pretty much all the soundtracks, especially because of how different they all are, but BW's really hit all the right notes for me.
I always thought it was "okay", until I recently Nuzlocked it. I would easily give them 10/10. The story is amazing, but I love the atmosphere. Every single area and route has character. It feels like a real adventure. Crossing Skyarrow bridge genuinely felt like crossing into a far away land. Truly great games.
>>26417098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2rcrJuuAws
>>26417175
The second this started playing after N's ending scene made me realize Gen 5 is my favorite. Hell, one of my favorite batch of games, period.
>>26417173
Couldn't agree with that more, anon.
>>26417141
Content wise the sequels are superior. Everything else is a subjective. Before you play it make sure to memory link and try to get chalenge mode if you can.
>>26417175
>the end credits theme somehow excuses the worst wild battle theme and route themes in the series
>>26417175
that theme sounds like Golden Sun
>>26417205
I'm playing on an optimized Desmume setup, but I'm pretty sure I can use ARs to unlock the memory link, right? Getting Challenge Mode I know will be no problem.
>>26417206
>Worst route themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_2u6EDx6c
I can keep going anon
>>26417206
That's like, just your opinion, man.I disagree wholeheartedly.
>>26417219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50cPOgYCLXw
let me start then
>>26417206
If you honestly believe gen 5 has the worst music in the franchise you clearly haven't played R/S/E.
This song alone is proof Gen V had the best music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvuNo02q0mY&index=22&list=PL6akIKaXBeU2mXSuKQbkaZ_pU7SXG3iJA
>>26417246
Eh, it's decent. Not as bad as Gen 6 though.
>>26417141
BW's story was better, although BW2 did something that has never been done before in the story:Ghetsis tries kills you with ice shards.
But besides the story, the amount of stuff you can do postgame is ridiculous
>>26417246
haha what open your ears nigga and listen to the beat of ultimate shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O35J-aNajG4
>>26417282
>>26417246
>>26417219
>>26417206
>>26417098
Do this in one of the other thousand daily genwar threads, please. We /comfy/ now.
>>26417042
Gen 5 are among my favorite pokemon games.
B2W2 has top tier music and postgame. I prefer BW story and characters though.
>>26417042
>Pokemon: Hand Holding Version
>Enjoying being stopped every 12 steps so that side characters can hijack your experience
>>26417206
>worst wild battle theme
That's not HGSS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh8eo2dkH8Y
>let's switch the instrument every 4 fucking seconds, they won't think that's obnoxious
>>26417104
I'll definitely get to Drayano's hack one day, when it comes to gen 4-6 games I prefer playing them on an actual DS system, since my old ds is dead and flashcart is probably borked as well it may take awhile.
And well since I do have pokebank/transporter right now I'd probably play the vanilla versions at the moment.
.
>>26417299
This is great bait, man.
>Pokemon: Hand Holding Version
I pretty much just finished playing the game, and there was barely any form of "hand holding."
>Enjoying being stopped every 12 steps so that side characters can hijack your experience
Yeah, I've seen this posted here too much for it to be an actual opinion and not just hivemind baiting.
If you aren't baiting, please actually play the games yourself.
BW's protags alone would be enough to shoot them into my top spot.
Good thing it also had my favorite individual locations, favorite Pokemon, favorite NPCs, and favorite change (permanent TMs) as well.
>>26417299
That's not X/Y though
>>26417042
It took me 60 ish hours to beat the game. Beating the game, by my standards, is seeing the credits.
I loved every minutes of it, and any complaints I have are minor and nitpicky. I love the way the rival battles felt. I loved how each person you met had some character development. The music was great. Gym leader last Pokemon theme was a thing. The victory road and elite 4 section were some of the most challenging parts I've ever played in a Pokemon game. I was actually under leveled for te elite 4. Then I had to take on N and ghetsis, to my complete surprise. Finally beating the game, I realize I still had half the map to complete. I still haven't seen every route or area, but from what I understand you finally can get other region mons and the game opens up quite a bit in the post game. Really hoping I get time to tackle the rest of it.
By far my favorite Pokemon game, and generation overall.
>>26417299
Nice dubs, but i'm afraid you're confused with Gen 6.
>>26417309
I just play them on an emulator. Flashcards are rather slow. There's cheats that speed-up the battles to a more reasonable speed, on top of speed-toggle in emulators.
Had a DS like that too, those things ain't rain-resistant.
The story is "deeper" but none of the characters are particularly likable or memorable except Bianca and she's only likable because her whole subplot with her dad is actually interesting, believable, and not full of dumb bullshit like the entire Plasma plot.
The story is also forced on you way too much in my opinion and that probably impacted my ability to appreciate anything about it without being a nitpicking little fuck.
>>26417299
>Pokemon: Hand Holding Version
>Literally the most challenging games in the franchise when you don't count Glitchtastic Gen 1 and 2
>>26417339
Alder's character development and plot was great. I truly felt sad for the guy when N beat him.
>>26417348
Truth and Ideals
>>26417042
I'll be honest, there are still a large number of gen 5 designs that I hate/dislike and that does bring gen 5 down a bit to me. (I'm sorry but I don't think I'll ever come to like pokemon like Sigilyph, Crygonal, any of the gen 5 legendaries, etc.)
But the games themselves from a character aspect, design aspect, world design and music, even just the minor characters you meet along the way, gen 5 has too much lovable stuff in it. Yet somehow they even improved on all that and created BW2; gen 5 is just too damn good in so many respects. I'm still upset that things like the critical hp music and 'gym leader's ace' didn't carry over to gen 6.
Oh and Battle Subway may just be one of the coolest motifs ever.
>>26417348
I honestly remember nothing about him in BW1 other than being a vauge mentor type character for Cheren to help him realize he doesn't need to be so obsessive over being the best like no one ever was.
>>26417411
The plot line about how he quit battling after his Pokemon got sick and died was really nice I thought. N basically breaks his heart about it after beating him, and that made me feel.
>>26417387
>critical hp music
It freaks me out when that tune would come out, it made me feel like my Pokémon was gonna die and had to treat it ASAP (it's supposed to do that but they highlighted it by adding that music in)
>>26417042
Ehh it was alright.
They went a bit too far with the rising castle though, though not anywhere near as retarded as ORAS's Infinite Energy (tm) but it did start with Gen 5.
>>26417459
>Castle rising out of the ground is a flaw
>What is the entire plotline of Ruby/Sapphire
Literally LOL FUCK THE OCEANS/LAND: LETS DESTROY ALL LIFE ON EARTH BECAUSE WE'RE BAD: The Plot
>>26417329
Flashcards are basically the same as an actual cart, maybe a bit slower or faster depending on the class of the SD card used, but that usually only impacts FMV's in certain games. BW period is just a little sluggish.
>>26417343
>any mainline Pokemon game
>remotely challenging
>any mainline Pokemon game
>being harder than Ranger 1 or PMD post-game or even the Orre games
>Gen 2
>"glitchtastic"
>Gen 1
>not one of the easiest because of how much some mechanics or moves intentional or not break the game
>>26417484
t. Someone who has never finished BW/BW2
>>26417098
Gen V has the best music tho
>>26417484
Nah, Most pokemon games run better on native hardware than with a flashcard. And gen V is DSI enhanced so it was a big bottleneck on most flashcards, even dstwo
>>26417492
They aren't hard at all, like once more, every mainline game. In fact I'd say BW2 is a bit easier than BW1 unless you're on Challenge mode.
>>26417499
As someone who has both the actual game cards and a flash card and have had them side to side to trade before, there's really no difference. DP likes to lock up occasionally though on my old Acekard.
>>26417536
>as someone there's no difference
Well then you're simply wrong.
>>26417472
I'm okay with Pokémon doing all-powerful larger-than-life things but I they lose me when humans start doing it.
>Hey guys, we secretly built an absolutely yuuge 7 story, 3 wings castle that rises from the ground around the Pokémon league with no discernable source of income or power!
I can suspend my disbelief enough for gen 2-4's villains having the resources to own a building or two but Plasma's seemingly infinite power rubbed me the wrong way
>>26417540
Maybe the problem's with your system or SD card man, because I haven't had any.
Though actually I think my flash card saves a bit faster in BW1, I'm not certain though and I can't be assed to check.
>>26417570
You simply are ignorant. That's fine. Don't worry too much about it
>>26417206
>worst wild battle theme
What the actual fuck
is the only wild battle theme i like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50cPOgYCLXw
>>26417578
Just saying what I see with my own two eyes.
Is there anyway good glitches early in the game so that I can get a particular pokemon or two? I honestly don't like any of the region's pokemon.
>>26417536
>They aren't hard at all
Answer my question, have you played the games in full?
>>26417555
>Depleting the Earth of Land/Oceans
>Fine
>Capturing Gods to destroy and recreate the Universe
>Fine
>Making a Castle that rises from the ground
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
wew
>>26417578
So maybe instead of acting like an insufferable faggot you could actually explain why you think he's wrong?
>>26417621
>I honestly don't like any of the region's pokemon.
why?
>>26417621
Scraggy? Darumaka? Scolipede?
>>26417637
Daily reminder Ghetsis would have been groot in XY instead of technocrat aesthetefag Lysandre
>>26417637
The difference is that Pokémon were central to the 3rd and 4th gen plots. I don't think there was any justification for N's castle beyond "it's a cool setpiece."
>>26417637
>comparing villain motivations to actions
Ghetsis wanted to rule the world with a monopoly of Pokémon, which is plenty retarded in itself
>>26417662
>I don't think there was any justification for N's castle
It's the castle where N was pretty much indoctrinated by Ghetsis. It was pretty much supposed to be over the top, because Ghetsis wanted everything to truly believe that Team Plasma was this righteous force
>>26417668
makes more sense than literally destroying the world, good intentions or no.
>>26417678
yeah but how was it made? where did Plasma get the resources? why and how was it under the league building? why was it covered in tentacles?
>>26417662
>The difference is that Pokémon were central to the 3rd and 4th gen plots.
The Light and Dark Stones (Reshiram and Zekrom) are LITERALLY what the entire Black and White plot revolves around, are you forgetting?
>>26417668
>Ghetsis wanted to rule the world with a monopoly of Pokémon, which is plenty retarded in itself
More like the most realistic villainous motive we've had in this franchise. People catch Pokemon and use them. Why wouldn't someone want to keep them all for himself?
>>26417644
>>26417650
I'm sorry, but none of those clicked for me.
I take that back, I like Oshawott(yeah I know, i'm a faggot for liking the starter everyone else hates), but I've yet to come across any other pokemon that I like.
Short Blog Post:
>Due to College, skip gen V
>Get a lot of free time, go get a copy of Black
>Egh, none of these pokemon are doing it for me
>I know, I'll just get Riolu early (and maybe a Growlith or Poochyna)
>Google says that I have to essentially finish the game to get a Riolu
>That's no problem, I'll just GTS in a generic Riolu from pokesav, and he and my Oshawott can be bash bros
>GTS is down and will never come back up
Honestly, after finding that out, I haven't started the game up since. I don't hate black, but without pokemon that I can get emotionally invested in, I'm just forcing myself to go through the motions without enjoying it.
>>26417693
>how was it made?
The castle was more than likely there since BEFORE Team Plasma even existed. They probably discovered it and took control over it. They ARE known for stealing shit, especially ancient relics/artifacts.
>why and how was it under the league building?
Above response kind of answers that.
>why was it covered in tentacles?
LMAO WHAT
>>26417706
Play Blaze Black. You can catch every 'mon in it right from the get go.
>>26417706
>>26417724
This, it's also more challenging.
>>26417711
oh shit, I misremembered the bridges as tentacles for some reason
it's still stupid
>>26417628
Yes, start to end of both, and all of BW1's side content except I never finished the Subway there, and probably all of BW2's but there's so much there I can't be certain. According to the in-game clocks, I spent 211:29 in White 1, 87:27 in JP Black 1 which I imported when it came out in Japan, and 267:52 in White 2, didn't import Black 2 because BW2 were coming to the west soon enough. BW2 are my favorite Pokemon games, don't really care too much for BW1 but like every Pokemon game they're at least good.
Still both easy, like just about every mainline Pokemon game.
>>26417706
I, too, am a late player of Gen 5.
It's incredibly frustrating just how many things in BW are gated behind (now defunct) WiFi
>>26417042
I still think one of the coolest moments was all of the gym leaders showing up to fight Team plasma (except for the cilan trio). I'd always wondered if past gen gym leaders ever knew about the team terrorisms and if they felt like doing anything about it.
>>26417740
its just a castle dude, who gives a shit?
>>26417753
I'm probably just going to start a speedrun of Black this sunday so that I can get the poke gen transfer thing, I have a lot of 4th gen pokemon waiting to get transferred to the bank
>>26417706
use randomizer or play hack if you don't mind emulating.
>Riolu
shittaste.jpg
>>26417761
because it's weird to me that a group of extremist hippies have access to it
>>26417042
easily the worst bait thread in months
>>26417776
>extremist hippies
So you actually didn't pay attention to the story?
>>26417098
This and also the shit tier sprite animations and battle camera.
>>26417789
stay mad, faggot. it makes me happy knowing kikkes like you are missing out on the best games in the series.
>>26417764
Same reason I trudged through Gen 5. Unlike seemingly all of /vp/ I'm not left wanting more of Unova. It's a decent game, story is a rollercoaster of good moments interspersed with retarded ones. Game fairly challenging. Pokémon decent but none of them had the bro-factor like in previous gens.
>>26417808
The Unova dex is literally Bros: The Dex
>>26417175
>uses the most unfitting, pointless and retarded track from the game
>>26417759
honestly looks like an embrassing clichè that can be usually found in the american action movies and cartoons
don't get the hype over this scene
>>26417791
I did. Ghetsis was the only one who wasn't that.
>>26417807
wow
such rude
many insults
so buzzword
very underage
what is a "kikkes"?
>>26417829
>I hate the Magnificent Seven and classic cinema general
watch the remake of a remake then
>>26417820
Well I didn't feel it
>>26417808
>>26417820
>bro-factor
This is all I want man, Dewott seems like the closest that Gen V has gotten to bro-esque pokemon for me, then it's evolution takes a wrong turn.
>>26417840
it's literally breakfast cartoon / tv show tier
power rangers, dragonball, powerpuff girls etc
>>26417830
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd confirmed for never actually paying attention, you fucking moron!
Talk with the Plasma grunts in the castle before battling N and it's revealed that ALL of Team Plasma was in on Ghetsis' motive and were just there to deceive N.
>>26417864
right.
then how come people were joining for the good of Pokémon in Accumula town and presumably other places? What happened to joining the cause?
>>26417829
It reminds me of some episode of a cartoon I saw years ago where the superhero was cornered by the bad guys and it's all like aw shit how's he gonna get out of this one, but then the maillady, fireman, milkman, crossing guard, and some other public servants suddenly show up and somehow manage to hold back the villains so the hero can go on and fight the big bad of the episode.
Only this time it's an archaeologist, a painter, a pop idol, an oil tycoon, a pilot, an actor, and a mayor and his adoptive daughter doing it.
>>26417864
Some of them were genuinely with N, as some say, and is definitely shown in BW2 with the grunts still in the old uniforms. But most of the grunts in BW1 were just working for Ghetsis and wanted to take over Unova.
>>26417857
Darmanitan grew on me as a bro, but it requires A LOT of babying Daramuka with its retarded ability that often leaves you missing attacks at crucial times.
But Darmanitan is closest I felt to bro. Samurott, Archaeops and Excadrill are decent.
The only thing that Gen 5 needed to be the undisputed GOAT gen (it's my favorite) was being avke to battle your character from the first games and then having the last team you had before you used Memory link.
Missed opportunity.
>>26417901
Scrafty is my bro for life after BW2. She won me so many fights with High Jump Kick.
>>26417864
Incorrect, actually. Only some of the grunts (presumably the most trusted ones) were in on Ghetsis' plan. Those would later become the New Plasma team in B2/W2 if memory recalls.
>>26417820
Fucking this man.
Joltik/Galvantula
Durant
Axew line
Druddigon(yeah I like him)
The starters(yeah I like all of them but mostly the Tepig line)
Simisage
Motherfucking Coffagrigus
I can keep going
>>26417759
Nah, gf didnt want to eat precious resources in things like this in the past. That, and they are some lazy fuckers
Now in platinum, hgss, bw2 and oras we can see the leaders outside of their gyms in some events, at least.
>>26417918
Never played the sequels, not much point in it now with the death of WiFi and Poke Transporter unlocked.
>>26417902
Isn't there actually unused dialogue for Hilbert/Hilda to appear in the PWT in BW2?
But yeah, really should've done that with Memory Link, at least Bianca and Cheren had post-game teams based on the ones they had in your file of BW1.
>>26417943
I liked them a lot more than BW1. Also, you can sweep all of the new Team Plasma with an Aron, which is great.
>>26417943
>Never played the sequels, not much point in it now with the death of WiFi and Poke Transporter unlocked.
Give it 7 years when they inevitably remake black and white for the Nintendo 3DS-2
>>26417877
Are you that stupid? Of course people joining Team Plasma from the outside don't know the real agenda, dumbass. That's the whole point of having a facade.
>>26417042
Loved Gen V so much I actually can't wait for the inevitable remakes in 2-3 gens from now, even though that'll be a while.
>>26418006
Whatever, it's still fucking stupid.
>>26418004
Neo-GF doesn't remake games with features of the sequels anymore, silly
>>26418009
Gen 5 isn't getting remakes.
Masuda says he wants to surprise fans with their games.
Gen 5 was the only Gen since remakes started that didn't have a remake.
Gen 5 was the only Gen with sequels.
We're obviously getting Black 3 and White 3.
Masuda evensemiconfirmed it after XY started dev
http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/198239-masuda-talks-possibilities-of-pokemon-black-white-3-pokemon-snap
>>26418004
Nah, they'll make BW3 due to the dilemma of whether to remake BW1 or BW2
>>26418009
But how would remakes work?
Unless we get Black 3 and White 3 instead with the OG Dragon.
>>26418015
no, actually, that makes perfect sense.
>>26418034
Well, whatever the case, what I mean is that Black and White will eventually return in some form. If we get something like B3/W3 instead, that would still qualify as the "remake" of Gen V at least in spirit.
>>26418075
>A sequel would still qualify as a remake
In what fucking world? Defeats the whole purpose of the word "remake".
>>26418089
>GSC is a sequel to its predecessor series
>so it must be a remake
>>26418034
What ifBlack 0 and White 0
Instead of Original Dragon we get Absolute Zero Kyurem
>>26418089
Same game world, which is a big part of Pokemon remakes.
>>26418104
Who fucking said GSC were remakes?
>>26418089
Remake, reboot, whatever you wanna call it. My point is that just as Gen I, Gen II, etc. is revisited a few gens later, Gen V will be revisited as well whether it's through a literal remake or B3/W3.
Did you ignore my first sentence or are you just deliberately being obtuse?
>>26418113
Like with the brothers from the legend, the ones who eventually had a falling out?
>>26418113
>>26418132
>Gen 5 had the first sequels
>Gen 5's revisiting games will be the first prequels
>>26417042
Just my 2 cents but for me B/W was the first time since Crystal that the game really felt like an adventure. Unova was great fun to explore (apart from seasons hampering the ride) and having a cast of entirely new pokemon to work with really made things feel fresh. I guess it also helps that I went into the games completely blind because I hadn't played since gen 2.
It took a bit to warm up to the new designs and I'm still not fond of Patrat or Unfeazant but Reuinculus, Crustle and Druddigon were major bros by the end of the game.
>>26418009
I can't wait to see Unova in 3D. Actual skyscrapers and stuff
>>26418009
>>26418210
>Hildabutt
GOD
DAMN
That girl gets me going like no other design within the series.
>>26417173
Gen5 has character and body to the world in a way that the other generations aside from Gen2 really lack. I wish I could play Gen5 again without it feeling so dated.
>>26417711
that doesn't explain anything, you're making assumptions to explain something that has no explanation
>>26418276
>headcanoning this hard
Fuck off, autist :^)
>>26418245
Same, I really hope she returns. Hildafu is fucking irreplaceable.
>we will never have another Dream World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLOIohT3kuk
What was even the point of keeping around the global link for Gen6 when you removed the core of it?
>>26417042
>pokemon
>story
who cares?
BW1 sucks
>>26418431
>BW1 sucks
Here's your (You).
>>26418431
>when you finna bait but you forget how
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzfQhV3G_MU
>>26418431
Most low effort bait I have seen in years. >>>/facebook/
Gen5 is the best
I personally hated bw/bw2 I felt the story tried way too hard. After the ride of platinum which is my choice for best game bw felt dumbed down, and I understand that the story was "Decent" but there was a lot of missed opportunity with Kyurem.
So I haven't played Pokemon since sapphire. the new gen coming out has me excited for Pokemon for the first time in, like, a decade. Should I go and play the BW and BW2 games? The idea of picking your same starter again all over the second time seems nonsensical to me. But everyone in this thread seems to say these games are franchise hallmarks.
>>26418640
Be a purist and play all the games in between Sapphire and now, or at least play Platinum before you jump to BW. Play at least one game of each.
>>26418625
I'm genuinely sorry for people like you. It's a shame.
>>26418640
Play BW, then BW2. Right now. Don't wait, just do it.
>>26418657
I can't be a purist because I just don't have the time. Well technically it's possible but it's daunting, and I'll get way behind in a queue like I do in other aspects of life, like books and movies and tv shows and etc...
>>26418687
This is a more manageable route.
>>26418640
BW and B2W2
>>26418640
You can pick a different starter because the protags are different
>>26418737
Also don't you do that with the director's cut third versions like Crystal, Emerald and Platinum?
>>26418640
Platinum, then Black or White, then Black 2 or White 2 in the same version you played of BW1, then X or Y.
Pokemon B/W felt surreal to me.
To describe the feeling, it felt like the game took itself more serious regarding the story and the music involved, the game actually tried to combine emotions into the story and because of that it turned out to be a weird game in my opinion.
The game literally felt black and white, as it would communicate the feelings experienced in the story towards you as either negative or positive, there was always a feeling of uncertainty throughout the game, and i think treating the game as is real life with actual positive and negative emotions, with a setting that reflects life, hurt the game immensely, though it has gathered support from some.
In short B/W felt DEAD to me as a pokemon game, it felt like i was playing a GHOST of a pokemon game that had too many emotions coming form the story and the music and the settings, it felt empty to me.
B2/W2 I felt the same way except way less, since the story was less about emotions/life and death theme and the music was more upbeat, also the pokemon tounament for fighting all the champions and gym leaders is probably the best thing about Gen 5.
B&W felt like it was trying to be a final fantasy game with emotion and story to back it up.
B2&W2 felt the same but way less emotion, atleast it was fun and upbeat.
>>26418753
Ok fine I'll start with platinum. But I imagine I won't be able to play sun and moon til ducking 2018.
>>26418760
>>26418760
what?
>>26418760
>too many
>felt empty
Pick one
>>26418824
It really was an empty game that put stress on life and death, it was an empty ghost of a shell pokemon game, titled as a pokemon game.
Like a crystal bridge with no one else on it, an empty husk of a try to be beautiful game. Clamoring all these emotions together that you really don't feel anything, just a hollow emptiness.
>>26418472
>>26418500
>>26418548
>unovababies who probably just turned 18 and have MUH NOSTALIGA XD for it
BW1 does suck, poor selection of Pokemon during the game, terrible region, average music, barely made any significant changes after gen 4
BW2 is what saved gen 5
>>26418773
You can just wait for SM then play the rest after.
>>26418760
I'm not really picking up what you're putting down about BW1 whatsoever, but I can agree with the implication that BW2 was more enjoyable because they shoved the plot at you less.
From what you have to say about Final Fantasy I think you mean they tried to tug at the player's heartstrings and shit with character drama and a more involved story, but it all just fell flat on its face for you and ended up making it less enjoyable than if it had little story focus period, right?Because I would agree with that.
>>26418760
How can the game with the most emotions poured into it feel "dead", though? I feel you're not describing it properly, anon.
>>26418760
>>26418869
Explain your opinions with less vague and open ended poetics please.
Give me spesific examples.
>>26418871
>BW2 is what saved gen 5
This, B/W was a dead pokemon game, B2/W2 was an upbeat fun version of a dead pokemon game.
>162 replies
>37 IPs
Loud minority general
>>26418891
>games where people try to destroy the world as you know it for their own designs
>but "freeing" pokemon so only one person can use them is too deep
I do think BW was closer to someone's fan game plot, though.
>>26418760
r u ok
>>26418887
>>26418886
>>26418891
You have to remember that this is all in my opinion, to put it shortly, the game came at you with so many emotions that you wouldn't be able to truly "feel" any of them because of the short amount of time you had to experience "one single" emotion before being pelted with another.
The black and white themes of the game were experienced the most since a majority of the story/setting/music translated these 2 emotions.
You can feel all the different emotions in the game, but you can't truly grasp them since the 2 biggest themes/emotions (black&white) always overcome them, and as a result of this whenever black&white wasn't being communicated towards you the player, the game would feel empty/apathetic/lack of emotion.
This is all my opinion/experience of the game, so someone else could've seen/felt the game as a super happy upbeat pokemon game.
I doubt i can get anymore specific about this.
>>26418916
Daily Reminder that BW is critically acclaimed and outsold XY.
>>26418979
Try.
Provide an example.
>>26418916
>posting a genwunner poll
>expecting anyone to take you seriously
>>26418886
>From what you have to say about Final Fantasy I think you mean they tried to tug at the player's heartstrings and shit with character drama and a more involved story, but it all just fell flat on its face for you and ended up making it less enjoyable than if it had little story focus period, right? Because I would agree with that.
Somewhat exactly, but yeah, the game LITERALLY felt dead to me, because of the emotions.
>>26418996
Just play the game dude
>>26418979
You sure you weren't just depressed at the time or something?
What the fuck am I even reading?
>>26417098
Even if this was even remotely correct (which it's not), bad music required that you a) turn off the sound and b) play your own music.
>how did you get past the shitty music
Nice.
>>26419015
Nope, the game to me was a sad game that wasn't a pokemon game at all.
Gamefreak should have thought twice about black and white, they just wanted to go deeper into emotions and see how it would go with their audience.
>>26419032
>Sad
In what fucking world?
And if it's sad, how can it be dead?
The more you post the more I'm convinced this is elaborate bait.
>>26418760
>>26418869
>>26418979
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>>26419032
>>26419045
Some things can be sad and dead anon, pokemon B&W is the perfect example of this.
>>26419032
This I understand more. Yeah, they went with pretty cheap drama in my opinion. Wasn't even so bad it's good melodrama, like the team captain screaming "WHY CAN'T EVERYONE JUST HAVE FUN PLAYING FOOTBAAAAAALL" as he grabs the main character's jersey and collapses to the ground because he was just kicked in the ribs with a soccer ball with knives in it or some shit, just boring melodrama about how things aren't black and white and no one understands my pain that isn't particularly effective, with people preaching on about this shit while I'm just like "I just wanted to go on an adventure with my self-cooking bacon across parallel New York not become entwined by fate with some fag whose name is Gropius because his dad treated him like a dog"
>>26418760
>>26418869
>>26418979
>>26419013
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>>26419063
Holy shit, this is worse than Mewtist.
>>26418760
I get you man, it was a try hard drama of a pokemon game that failed. Can't believe some people revere such a failure of a game.
>>26419092
>Can't believe some people have different feelings and opinions than I do
>And they ENJOY it
>>26419067
>>26419092
Holy fuck both of you got infected with his shit idea of BW, autism and aspergers can spread vie internet now.
Claiming dual bros
>>26418936
I'm not okay anon, i'm just saying black and white was a failure of a 2deep4u drama that in the end wasn't even a pokemon game.
>>26417343
I didn't played B/W, but holy shit B2/W2 elite four is a fucking joke, you steamroll those faggots using nothing more than crunch, and Iris's pokemon are so slow that I literally won using only a lvl 53 krookodile with moxie.
I know a lot of /vp/ like gen 5 just because they're contrarians, but please let's be objective when discussing.
>>26419102
I've never liked BW1's story. I like the games despite it, but other than the whole shindig with Bianca and her dad, I never felt any of it was particularly well executed or interesting, or even so bad it was good.
Plasma on the whole is a joke because their true nature is pretty much clearly laid out in the first few hours of the game during the encounter with them in the Dreamyard. Literally on par with kicking puppies. I'd honestly say they're the worst evil team, at least none of the others try to prop themselves up on a false pretense only to totally fucking blow it the second time you see them. That alone made it impossible for me to take the game very seriously. Not to mention Ghetsis' design is so fucking blatantly cultishly evil.
Honestly BW had terrible story in my opinion. Plasma is PETA of Pokeverse. I get that Ghetsis true motive was trying to enslave all Pokemon but believing he got so many members to drink the Kool-Aid never set right. Team Rocket was the best, They were just criminals nothing more. Story has never been something I look forward to in a Pokemon game because they normally have so many holes. BW however added some of the best features to the Pokemon game and could be regarded the best in that aspect. However only letting you capture Pokemon from it's generation was a bad idea, I am not saying make it as bad as Pokemon XY was but find a good balance. I feel Diamond and Pearl were the best in that aspect.
>>26419257
DP had issues too, what with issues like one non-starter Fire type, almost none of the new evolutions being available until post-game, a few gym leaders/E4 unable to even have full teams of their type. BW2 and Platinum have the best balances, though BW2 only worked because Unova was so big in it. XY has even more Pokemon than BW2, but the region is smaller than BW1 Unova, so the region ends up feeling disjointed because of it.
>>26419257
>BW had terrible story
wew
>Plasma is PETA of Pokeverse
implying?
>I get that Ghetsis true motive was trying to enslave all Pokemon but believing he got so many members to drink the Kool-Aid never set right.
wew
>Team Rocket was the best
WAIT WHAT
>However only letting you capture Pokemon from it's generation was a bad idea
WOAH WOAH WOAH
>I feel Diamond and Pearl were the best
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>26419286
Now you're just making unovabortions look bad
>>26419279
Agreed I never feel that any Pokemon game is without it faults though and some do some things better than ever. Also DP felt like a drag to get through in a recent play through.
>>26417459
What? The rising castle was an awesome climax to the story.
>>26419286
Only letting you capture Pokemon from Gen V was a bad idea. It's just taking away options from those who may want them. I didn't mind it, because I only use new Pokemon anyways, let alone that Unova has my favorite batch of new Pokemon, but it will bother some people. If they don't like the new Pokemon, you can't force them to, so it'd be nice if they can use the old ones they do like should that be the case. If someone wants to use new Pokemon, they'll use them.
Though, considering how many they added, you really couldn't have done many more without enlarging the region.
I like that it actually felt like a fucking jrpg. The plot was rhought out and held my interest, the characters were fun, the world actually felt alive, gym leaders actually felt like fucking leaders, the pokemon designs were great (Golurk/Volcarona/Serperior/Scrafty/Scolipede/Lilligant/Archeops/Confagrigus/Galvantula to name a few), the climax to the story was actually at the fucking end of the game unlike every other pokemon game barring the first gen, i loved the areas (desert resort is still one of my favorite pokemon locations), it wasnt piss babby easy like x/y were, the music was fantastic especially the route themes. Black/White Reinvigorated my love for the series
>>26419323
>Only letting you capture Pokemon from Gen V was a bad idea
No, it wasnt, and every gen should do this for their first games
>>26417098
Say that to my face not online and see what happens
>>26419380
It had shitty effects on later generations, likemega evolutionsof perfectly fine gen 1 pokemon.
>>26418916
We get it buddy, you've just recently discovered the IP count in the corner. You can stop posting this in every other thread
Even though lots of Pokemon seem based off of previous generation Pokemon I feels like over half of the the Pokemon from gen 5 are just rehashed from previous generations and the other half have unfavorable designs, also had the worst starters of any game, Snivy is the only decent looking starter and he isn't that great. I like a few Pokemon from Gen 5, but overall I have to say it is the worst generation for new Pokemon. My own opinion of course and I know others disagree but this is one of the aspects I felt held BW back from being a great game.
>>26419431
Also just some examples of what I was referring to.
>>26419439
gtfo with this bs. Intentionally recreatimg the same archetypes != running out of ideas.
>>26419455
Lol how is this bs, it's true no generation has relied this heavily on previous generation Pokemon then gen 5. Some in the picture go beyond just being similar.
>>26419480
>What is Gen 2
>What is Gen 3
Gen 6 was so much better, actually letting us catch the exact some Pokemon since 1996 instead of stuff that was different but simillar.
>then
Oh you're 12 never mind
>Appreciation Thread
>Autistic faggots can't help but chime in with their blog posts that literally nobody gives a fuck about
>Autistic faggots are most obsessed with Gen 5 than people who actually like it
>>26419496
Very few Pokemon from gen 2 and gen 3 were relied this heavily on gen 1. It's time to stop trying anon it's starting to get embarrassing...
>>26419531
>were relied
You haven't explained why homages are bad in a game trying to recreate the feeling of Pokemon discovery in RB's or why it means they ran out of ideas.
>B..b..but muh simillar designs and inspirations
>>26419496
>gen 6
>fucked up older pokemon with megas
>ignored pokemon that could legitimately use a revisiting
>fucked up gen 3 remakes
>it's better because it's new.
>>26419557
Most just had ugly designs (my opinion) and straight up just made the same Pokemon over again instead of using something similar and making it unique.
>>26419286
>can only replay with wew and stupid noises
>claims others have aspergers
>>26419387
Wat
Is it worth getting a DS for this? What other good DS games are there?
>>26420344
http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/Nintendo_DS
>>26420388
>http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/Nintendo_DS
>>26417857
>Dewott seems like the closest that Gen V has gotten to bro-esque pokemon for me, then it's evolution takes a wrong turn.
Samurott is based as fuck though. Get some taste for not liking the "armored warrior of the sea".
B/W easily has the best story of them all, really. Sorry, no contest there, no metter what you say. N is just the best character out there.
Only annoying thing about them is grinding, buuuut I can live with taht.
>>26417098
b8.
Gen V has best music. Which is why so many tracks are in Smash
>>26418472
>>26418548
>samepooping this hard
GF had to release BW2 to fix all the critics and lacks BW had, retards.
There's a reason why BW2 is known as the game that almost saved Gen 5.
I liked how Ghetsis felt like a RPG final boss. Also the N farewell is my favorite moment in the franchise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0P-qtHHKf8
>>26417088
B-But it wasn't Shakespeare. So it's shit.
>Thinking about playing B/W
>Check Elite Four
>Only have four Pokemon
>>26419439
None of these Pokemon are the same. I can just vaguely see where they were inspired by Gen I's motifs but the actual species they're based on are entirely different.
And if you don't like most of these designs, you really are a pleb.
>>26420922
do you need more (You)'s?
>>26421155
play blaze black then
>>26419145
>Plasma on the whole is a joke because their true nature is pretty much clearly laid out in the first few hours of the game during the encounter with them in the Dreamyard. Literally on par with kicking puppies.
I mean, I agree with this. You can't use that Pokemon equality and segregation set up and then make it so fucking transparent that IRS pointless. You know they are evil just by them being Team X. Thry could have at least tried to have the majority of its members actually believe in what they're saying.
I actually agree the story didn't feel very Pokemon-y as well with its Illuminati cult and pretty much everything related to N from his full name, to his sister's, to his room's music and etc., even though the Team Plasma set up could have been a story that was strong compared to other games and also uniquely Pokemon, though I think XY lacked that set up and still had a weirdly not Pokemon feeling story involving wars and ancient superweapons and such, though I don't dislike either set of games for the issue at all. I actually think Lysandre was a great if cookie cutter villain. Just his motivations are pretty much torally unclear and unknown until the final confrontation with him, so it gives the appearance of the former nebulousness until then that I think people get stuck on.
>>26419145
this
BW2 handled it better by having them just be straight-up criminals, while having N's group to represent the few good people from the old Plasma
Every game has its vocal minority of haters. BW is easily my favourite game in the series, loved almost everything about it. Of course the region layout was terrible, though it really couldn't be helped since you had to be set on linear track so the story could unfold. B2W2 Unova is probably my favourite region in the series, however.
>>26421155
Only on the first run through which isn't really the traditional league challenge as the other games' leagues anyway.
Challenge mode B2W2 not only fixes this but also adds items for all of the E4's pokemon instead of just giving the strongest a sitrus berry.
>tfw this fucking theme will never come back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE6eJrBM-cg
>>26417219
Tfw when they got rid of route ten in BW2
>>26419125
Moxie really fucks these people up though. Fake type with other stab is too good outside of Marshall. I think he was refering the the challenge mode with 5 mons and items
>>26419286
Anon.....
You have Assburgers...
>>26417693
They literally tell you they've been using slave pokemon labor for years in constructing the castle. You can think its stupid but they do justify it in-universe.
>>26421526
Yeah I really loved the ex plasma people and finding the few people who released their Pokemon. If I'm being honest I would probably would have followed N
>>26417075
>Just because it's the 'best' doesn't mean it's 'good'
>>26423656
best of all Pokémon games ≠ good compared to other stories
>region is a straight line so you can experience the story in sequence
>NPCs constantly stopping you for storytime
The story in BW is nice, but the way it warps other aspects of the game around it makes me really not like BW. Like, I just wanna befriend Pokemon, battle Pokemon, and go exploring. Getting harassed by NPCs at every turn is not part of the plan. It's a shame, because BW was great aesthetically and had excellent game balance; I just want the game to leave me alone.
>>26417042
the story is the best of all the games. Not difficult considering Pokemon usually have shit stories. What I really hate about this gen is the Pokemon. I can't get to the end of the game cause I can't find a single pokemon I want to own.
>>26417042
Which Gen V mons do you like?
And I agree. Best story in a Pokemon game. I really appreciated how the gym leaders and E4 did something instead of sitting on their asses.
>>26419439
>>26423720
BW2 fixes a lot of those issues if you're willing to give it a shot.
>>26424440
I'm actually replaying White 2 right now. It's got just as many NPC interruptions and a less engaging story compared to BW. BW2 at least got the region right, made Unova pretty fun.
>>26419439
I don't really see why this is supposed to be a bad thing.
Having reinterpretations of the 1st gen mons was one of the things I found appealing about BW. Like seeing the regional starters/birds/bugs/electric rodent but with much more.
>>26424471
It's not a bad thing. People are just stupid.
>>26420922
>GF had to release BW2 to fix all the critics and lacks BW had, retards.
>BW1 has more Critically Acclaimed reviews than BW2
>BW1 has a perfect score from Famitsu
>Unlike any Pokemon game
>There's a reason why BW2 is known as the game that almost saved Gen 5.
Nobody thinks this but /vp/ meme shills, sorry.
>>26424067
>Which Gen V mons do you like?
Pretty much the majority of the regional dex. Some favorites are Reuniclus, Galvantula, Palpitoad, Scolipede, Ferrothorn, Beheeyem, Druddigon, Hydreigon, Golurk, Heatmor,
>>26424067
I feel really good about these ones in particular.
>>26417309
Is Drayano making new hacks? I've always loved his hacks.
>>26417326
I agree
>>26421265
good argument wow
impressive example of american debating skills
