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>Ice Shard
>leaving a Grass/Flying in against an Ice type
Come on man. At least try to mask your retardation.
>>26371240
Oh man, I can remember when Talonflame was first shown and we found out it was Fire/Flying. Then it proved Pokemon 4x weak to hazards but Ho-Oh are still plenty capable of doing things before they faint.
>>26371240
The only commonly-used Pokemon that uses Ice Shard is Weavile
Mamoswine is too fucking slow to be any good
>>26371240
Becuse x4 weakness to a priority move stops Garchomp and Tyranitar from being useful.
>>26371729
>Ice Shard
>Mamoswine is too slow
>Mamoswine isn't good
>>26371715
>tfw Generation VII introduces a new damage-dealing priority Rock move
>>26371240
>252+ Atk Donphan Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Tropius: 196-232 (57.8 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>68 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Tropius: 244-292 (71.9 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage
>252 Atk Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Tropius: 268-316 (79 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Tropius: 228-268 (67.2 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>26371768
Compared to Weavile, no, it isn't
But if you're leaving something that's 4x weak to Ice in against an Ice Shard user, you're fucking retarded
>STILL dissing Grass/Flying
>>26371820
>252+ Atk Donphan
Stopping reading right there
Donphan should never have full attack investment, because then it has no bulk
brb bringing out my swampert to fight against a roserade
>>26371820
Reminder that every fully-evolved, non-Legendary Grass/Flying or Flying/Grass Pokémon resides in PU.
>>26371848
offensive rapid spin is, and has been, a thing since gen 3. the more important question is how you're fitting ice shard onto a moveset
>>26371862
Reminder that they have shit stats, movepools and abilities.
>>26371862
Tropius and Jumpluff are PU because of their stats, not their typing
>>26371862
Also what the fuck does it matter that Shaymin-S is legendary? All that means is he has 600 BST, yet he has a completely redundant 103 attack, so all those extra points are meaningless. Same effect is easily achievable with a starter's 530 BST.
>>26371729
Too slow for Ice Shard?
What?
You know that it's possible to switch out a pokémon in battle, right?
>>26371794
That image is a perfect representation of that, yes
>>26372094
I think anon meant "too slow" in general, you know, when mamoswine uses the other three moves of his kit.
>>26371895
The difference is that Shaymin had more points for Gamefreak to fuck around with. If they waste a proportional amount then it will be shit, and extremely minmaxed Pokemon are outliers
>>26371240
Ice Beam says hi
>all grass/flying types will be shit because tropius(BST 460 with bad movepool) and jumpluff(BST 460 with decentish at best movepool) are shit, please arbitrarily ignore shaymin-S
>>26372151
Skymin now
100/103/75/120/75/127
Skymin downscaled to 530 BST
89/91/66/106/66/112
Still OU Material with that statline.
>>26371240
Remeber guys, Litten is probably fire/ground, soooo how about that Aqua Jet
>>26372323
it'll be fire/dark retard.
>>26371794
It'd be broken as fuck
that's part of the reason rock moves are so inaccurate
>>26371240
>>26371794
removed the noise for you
>>26371768
>>Mamoswine isn't good
You talking shit about my bro? Get the fuck out of here, turbofaggot.
>>26372256
the combination of seed flare, air slash, and serene grace mean that so long as it has >100 speed and >90 special attack it's pretty much ou worthy. it'd be terrible without those three things, even with it's current statline.
Can anyone explain this Ice Beam meme to me? It's not like it would survive one even if it was pure grass.
>>26372256
Uh... No. Those stats are squarely average for a speedy special leaning attacker. I guess it could be OU material but not grass/flying type barring some absurd learnset quirks and/or a ridiculous hidden ability like Gale Wings or something.
>>26371846
removed the noise for you
>>26371848
252 HP 252 Atk 4 in Df or SDf and a adamant is fine
>>26371895
Shaymin-S also has some absurdely good things going for it
>high speed special attacker which means no intimidate/burns to cut it down
>serene grace as we know from its infamy
>STAB seed flare that has an 80% chance to harshly lower special defense thanks to serene grace which means even special walls aren't safe
>STAB air slash which is 60% flinch on top of its sanic speed
>has enough coverage in stuff like Earth Power for steel types
I'm not disagreeing with the typing not being passable, but Shaymin-S also has very strong STAB which has RNG strongly in its favour so it got a best case scenario.
>>26372441
I think you're forgetting Skymin's Serene Grace.
>>26371875
Earthquake , Seed Bomb, Ice Shard,Stealth Rocks
>>26372467
Right, but besides maybe Seed Flare, none of those things are exclusive to legendaries.
>>26372477
Unless you misquoted, no, I'm not forgetting anything. I was trying to be vague enough to encompass all strong ability and moveset quirks which would include Shaymin's
>Rowlettfags damage control comparing it to a legendary mon
>>26372438
>muh 4X weakness = shitmon
its exactly that, a meme
>>26371875
>offensive rapid spin
You use Excadrill for that, not Donphan.
THICK FAT! Gimme a fat ass OWL!
>>26371729
>Mamoswine isn't good
>Weavile is good
>yfw they add a 100% freezing move this gen
>>26372568
But with 55 or 60% accuracy
Like Hypnosis
Into the trash they go.
>>26372518
defensive donphan isn't worth using in tiers where defensive excadrill or hippodown are available.
>>26372484
where's rapid spin, the most compelling reason to use donphan?
>>26372568
just run a team full of water types using scald! easy.
>>26372132
No because if he did he would have specified.
>>26372529
Owls aren't fat you tard.
>>26371729
>being this retarded
>>26373024
To be fair a good chunk of them are shitty, specifically:
>gyarados
>quagsire
>tyranitar
>celebi
>magnezone
>heatran
>ferrothorn
>shaymin-s
>>26372444
Damn. I wish you could do this to my eyesight.
