>Chibi models are dropped
>Decent MC designs
>Decent starters
>Comfy Hawaiian atmosphere
>All previous gen models are already complete, leaving more time and focus to add a substantial dex entry count
>GOAT box mascots
So far so good. But in what way could they fuck these games up for us /vp/?
More handholding
No post game
That's the biggest thing, hence what they will fuck up
>>26327127
>substantial dex entry count
Anon...
>>26327127
>Chibi models are dropped
>implying that's a good thing
Handholding, easy gameplay and gimped post-game are the biggest potential threats.
HOPEFULLY Gamefreak took a hint when looking at X/Y's/OrAs's reception but knowing Gamefreak, better not get too hopeful.
>Decent starters
Are you blind?
>>26327127
>despite having all previous gen models complete, they still add <70 new pokemon to "avoid confusing the kids"
>no post-game
or, alternatively
>screw the main-game just to make the post-game seem larger
>>26327127
>DLC
>Fusion/Synchro shit that only benefits those popular mons already with Megas
>separate synchro shit for Sun Lucario and Moon Lucario
>less than 130 new pokemon not related to old mons in any way (ideally)
>less than 100 new mons (realistically)
>no crossgen evos
>gym leaders and elite four with even less pokemon
>more handholding
>more buffs to Furcario, Gardaifu, Charetard, Blazeitken, Muhwaifle
>Game winning gimmicks
>No difficulty whatsoever
>Weak villains and story
>4+ rivals
>>26327153
Where the fuck were you in gens 2, 3, and 4?
>>26327153
The Meowth was brought with them, what don't people get about that? Also, it doesn't make any sense to have mostly old Pokemon since pretty much the whole Pokedex can be gotten via 6th gen, at this point it'd just be rehashing.
I'm expecting a ruby/sapphire ratio of old/new Pokemon.
>>26327153
Machoke was in the over world in RSE and it was no where to be seen in the wild.
But nice try though
>>26327172
Really? You think Mawile is forced? It was a literal shitmon before its mega
>>26327127
>more than 50 new pokemon
>megas are still in the game
>injecting is not patched
This is my Nth time making this post. I'm surprised 4chan doesn't think it's spam yet. In my defense the OP has also been made for the Nth time.
At least we have the general consensus that everything so far looks good.
>>26327181
This
It's their fucking PET. We could easily have 130+ New Pokemon, and have old ones mixed in as well
>>26327156
>my preference is better than yours
>>26327181
>>26327231
Its like these people spouting the meowth meme never played anything except gens 1, 5, and 6.
And fuck, RS had machoke movers.
>>26327198
>Machoke was in the over world in RSE and it was no where to be seen in the wild.
>>26327222
No need to get upset. I retract that, then. Maybe I was thinking of AzumaREEEE
>>26327163
I said decent. Not perfect. I'm a neutralfag, so I don't particularly dislike one over the other. I still kinda need to see at least their second stage evolution before making a fucking choice choice, anon
>>26327230
What exactly don't you like about megas? They are a great excuse to buff weak and forgotten Pokemon without making them obsolete with new evolutions.
I mean yeah the fan-favourite pandering is dumb but that was just to warm people to the concept, in oras we got a lot more experimental megas.
>>26327176
>>26327181
>>26327198
>>26327231
>>26327254
>>26327259
You delusional fucking retards. We are NOT getting more than 70 new Pokémon in Sun and Moon.
Screencap this post.
>>26327230
>>more than 50 new pokemon
Oh wow I bet you want to bring Zubat to your party for only the 87th time
>>26327323
>Delusional retards
>Making a statement based on nothing
Yeah, nice mate :^)
>>26327157
>Gee. XY and ORAS sure did poorly...
>Maybe we should make it easier!
>>26327353
Too be fair, in ORAS they did come up with a decent work around by giving the rematches fairly well-rounded teams so they aren't blatantly ignoring the issue. If they can just add a difficulty mode it'd be perfect.
>>26327181
This. The protags are from Kanto. The kid in the Japanese trailer, that was portraying the protagonist was playing Red and Green on the aeroplane, on the way to Hawaii. The default protags have black eyes and black hair, implying they're Japanese. Kanto is based on Japan. And also of course the Meowth.
>>26327364
I wish you guys would realize more =/= better.
Why the fuck would you want 100+ new pokemon if 75% will just be obligatory regional shit?
>>26327296
Not that guy, but if anything, megas are meant to prevent old pokemon from getting stronger by opening access to eviolite.
>>26327327
Crobat is the GOAT pokemon, so yeah, sure.
>>26327411
I don't really mind the regional shit, I just want some fresh Pokemon to encounter, I'm sick of a thousand Zubats and Rattatas, it'd be nice to go "Oh, cool it's a new rodent/bat pokemon". That's why Black and White are so good IMO.
>>26327323
Why don't you guys want more new Pokémon?
>>26327327
I don't get it. It's that supposed to be a bad thing? I love zubat and Crobat has won me multiple gym battles. Not to mention he is my favorite flier.
>that speed
>>26327389
Or Hoenn. It's not a completely crazy idea to assume he moved from Kanto, to Hoenn, to Alola. He's got a wailmer pail in his house, on top of all the other connections to Hoenn. Or maybe he's from every region.
>yfw It all comes together
>>26327156
Implying that somehow having a freaking derpy ass looking giant head is nicer than having a somewhat proportional body.
>>26327411
>Why the fuck would you want 100+ new pokemon if 75% will just be obligatory regional shit?
"Obligatory regional shit" gives immersion, world building, an ACTUAL FRESH experience and flavor to the region.
Kalos was soulless and did not have its own identity with only 16% of the dex made up of its own native pokemon.
>>26327418
But they get stronger by mega evolution instead, why would you need an evolite? It's not like mega evolution changes the Pokemon entirely, it just gives it a buff.
>>26327411
Keeps the series fresh, it gets kinda tiring encountering the same shit over and over. It makes you learn or explore the abilities of other Pokémon instead of having to rely on old Pokémon, which is almost like handholding imo.
>>26327163
>>26327451
>>26327463
>missing the point
Look, I like Crobat but if for every pokemon game from here on forward you only ever want to use your old favorites, know that you could always do that with the old games
>>26327411
Because maybe I want a diverse Pokedex? So I can be able to have decisive choices and layouts of teams I want for each starter? Unlike Kalos where half of the dex was Fairy types, and also TWO Ghost/Grass types in row.
>>26327455
100% This
>>26327505
Exactly, every time I replay a Pokemon game, I try and force myself to use ones I've never used before. What's the fun in using the same old teams?
>>26327489
This guy fucking gets it. Rather seeing a new rodent or bird than have to deal with the same pidgey bullshit. I'm fucking sick and tired of pidgeys.
>>26327411
Too be fair, if they're going full on with this "Remote island" feel then it would make SENSE to have closed off and remote wildlife, remote islands like Hawaii usually have vastly different wildlife to the mainlands because of seclusion.
>>26327455
>That's why Black and White are so good IMO.
That's what made those games amazing but it's also the number one reason that it's hated by nostalgiafags. They miss the point that it's supposed to be a completely new adventure with new Pokémon everywhere.
>>26327469
It's not Hoenn. It's Kanto.
>>26327489
>>26327552
>tfw Game Freak purposely set the first Pokemon you encounter, to a fucking Pidgey
>>26327569
Which is unfortunate. Looking closely at it, BW was actually Gen1 pandering done right because it actually brings back the idea of an adventure because of so many things you could discover for yourself, as opposed to XY where it's a literal copy-paste in many cases.
I'd rather have minor differences over the same fucking thing every damn game
>>26327569
Fuck nostalgia fags, I swear people just try and hate everything new Pokemon brings to the table. Black and White was like a goldmine to them.
It fucking saddens me that a game like Black and White gets marks down for trying to be FRESH.
>>26327455
>>26327481
>>26327489
>>26327520
>>26327559
I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have something good over something that's new just for the sake of being new. The regional birds and rats rarely have anything different going for them. XY got it right with Diggersby, Vivillon, and Bravest Bird, but if Sun and Moon doesn't give us an interesting set of regional mons, it'll be a waste.
They should just give us different formes of the same pokemon depending on what region they're from.
>>26327601
>I'd rather have something good over something that's new
but oldgen shitmons will remain shitmons
>XY got it right with Diggersby, Vivillon, and Bravest Bird
Which is why you have to give the new generations a chance to introduce something different. Besides, minor difference is still better than an exact same repeat.
>>26327586
Every god damn time it happens it makes me fucking sad.
>>26327595
Agreed fuck nostalgia fags. Why the fuck do they even want a NEW game if all they want is more of the same shit? Just go back and play the same old game then.
>>26327601
What exactly is wrong with rehashing though? Instead of Rattatas in every game, why not have something that's basically a Rattata equivalent, but isn't just a Rattata?
There are animals in real life that are the same but slightly different, so why not in Pokemon?
>>26327411
Why do you want 50 when they will have the exact same amount of "obligatory regional shit?" Also, why are you such a faggot that you hate good pokemon just for being "obligatory regional shit?"
>>26327559
>yfw Each island has it's own Professor and Pokedex
>yfw Kukui is married to another Professor on a different island
>They reunite at Pearl Harbor
>>26327647
Probably because he's just a nostalgia genwunner fag who wants to see more of the same bullshit.
>>26327655
Each island having different wildlife would add some flavor to each island, I like that idea.
>>26327646
>Instead of Rattatas in every game, why not have something that's basically a Rattata equivalent, but isn't just a Rattata?
This nigga gets it
>>26327364
Well, there is one reason
We are at over 721 Pokemon now. They may want to slow down due to having troubles with new ideas, or because they want Pokemon 1000 for the 25th or 30th anniversary
>>26327157
>Gamefreak took a hint when looking at X/Y's/OrAs's reception
Sadly all the shitposting on /vp/ is not a reflection of the masses. ORAS is the most succesfull remake so far going by sales, and XY sold amazingly too
But who knows, Masuda received so much shit about no BF he even discussed on an interview
>>26327127
WHY FOR THE EVERLASTING FUCK DO YOU EXPECT A DIFFERENT GAME!? YOU WILL STILL BE GETTING 8 BADGES AND FIGHTING AN E4 AND CHAMPION, ALL FOR NO FUCKING REASON.
>>26327198
I don't even know if people are genuinely retarded or are just trying to force memes at this point
>>26327800
I think there is a demand for a higher difficulty outside of 4Chan. looking at the rematch teams in ORAS they are at least acknowledging it. It wouldn't be that hard to make a difficulty option.
>>26327282
The pun is funny but doesn't make sense. How the fuck is Azumarill forced in any way shape of form?
>>26327813
>WHY FOR THE EVERLASTING FUCK DO YOU EXPECT A DIFFERENT GAME!?
Did not imply that whatsoever. Just said that things are looking decent at the moment for the games
>YOU WILL STILL BE GETTING 8 BADGES AND FIGHTING AN E4 AND CHAMPION
No shit, cunt. That's what Pokemon IS. It's the core of the series.
Please fucking leave
>>26327816
It's genuinely retarded people trying to force memes
>>26327595
>n-nostalgia fags
The reason people dislike black and white is that the lack of familiar Pokemon makes the games and region feel detached from the rest of the series.
>>26327816
>I don't even know if people are genuinely retarded or are just trying to force memes at this point
What, the Meowth meme? Or my point about Machoke?
>>26327364
This.
Each gen they had to remake the sprites of all the pokemon.
Now they have all the models from ORAS they only need to work on new models.
>>26327890
And there's nothing wrong with that
>>26327890
How is that a necessarily bad thing? Pokemon is so often the same game, is it not refreshing at least to have a different feel for once?
I doubt even children find this game really good, that's why they pretend it's something else.
>>26327878
Solid enough
I'll take it
>>26327911
Yes there is because people bought it expecting a Pokemon game and it really didn't feel like one
>>26327890
Well, yeah. It's a reboot. Of course they're going to feel that way. I mean its still Pokemon. Nothing in those games will change that. Masuda himself said that the reason why there is new Pokemon throughout the game and no old ones till post, is to give off a newer and fresher feel. Like a 'reboot'
>most of the pokemon are expies of older ones
This is different how?
>>26327646
>>26327646
>>26327963
Because five different rat pokemon that all serve the same purpose is nothing but dex bloat. I don't care if it's new. Either give it a new type combination, a unique gimmick, or don't put it in at all.
>>26327647
>>26327680
Obvious samefag is obvious.
2 words: One Island
>>26327765
>due to having troubles with new ideas
Shut the fuck up, the bitches who work for GameFreak could spit out 300 designs in a single game and it wouldn't worse than what we've already gotten. They do this crap for a living, they're professionals who are educated in this shit. No matter how much any underage idiot whines about Garbodor or Vanilluxe, the "they're running out of ideas" meme fucking needs to die. We only got 70 in XY because they focused on 3D modelling ALL 721 Pokémon from scratch for the same fucking game, plus models for Mega Evolutions and, oh yeah, the entire Mega Evolution mechanic itself. And may I remind /vp/ that XY came out the year after BW2? They didn't have the fucking TIME to make 150 new Pokémon, idiots.
Also,
>Pokemon 1000 for the 25th or 30th anniversary
You really think they'll be able to only introduce 279 new Pokémon TOTAL for the next three to five Geneations?
>>26327127
Endgame as deep as gen 6's games.
>>26327323
You sure about that? Odd-numbered gens always bring out a large batch of new pokemon.
Stay dumb.
>>26327991
2 words: Big Island aka Hawaiian Islands
>>26328026
But the one island we were shown is in no way the big island.
>>26327969
But saying that is like saying there are already 7 different sets of starter Pokemon, at that point why not just use old starters over and over again?
It's not like there is a set amount of Pokemon per region, who cares if they add some filler for the sake of a fresh experience each time? Do you genuinely enjoy using the same types of Pokemon in every single game?
>>26327991
2 words: Nice meme
>>26327505
Why are you talking about things that have never happened? What new game has forced you to use old pokemon?
I play with my old favorites and I make new favorites from new and old pokemon. I want to take my old favorites to new places and I want them to do different things. I also want to find new pokemon to add to my favorites. You are creating a problem that has never existed.
>>26327969
>Normal
>not really a rat, adorable though
>Normal with Pick up, playstyle different from 1st
>Normal/Water
>Normal
>Normal/Ground with Huge Power
They're not exactly the same
>>26328043
Kek, anon please. It's the culmination of all the Hawaii islands
>>26327939
What the fuck you mean it didn't feel like one? Am I the only one who fucking thinks this statement is god damn autistic as fuck? Like what the hell didn't feel like a pokemon game?
>>26328003
Never understood that idea that Garbodor and Vanilluxe were proof that they were running out of ideas.
Have we ever had an ice cream Pokemon or trash Pokemon before? No.
Are they interestingly designed whilst still staying true to their source material? Yes.
Surely rehashing the same concepts would be signals that they were running out of ideas?
>>26328066
>what new game has forced you to use old pokemon?
Are you retarded? X/Y says hi.
>>26327969
Obvious dumbshit fag who doesn't realize multiple people can think you are a dumbshit is obvious
>>26328066
>You are creating a problem that has never existed.
and yet here we are, discussing why new pokemon should not exist if you can find an oldgen version of them
>>26327939
Wait. You genuinely feel like BW didn't feel like a Pokemon game, all because of what exactly? Oh and if you say the dex count, you're confirmed to be an autistic faggot
>>26327939
>Still 8 gym leaders, bad guys and a champion
>Still all the regional counterparts you'd expect from a Pokemon generation
Who exactly was old enough to appreciate having Pikachu in all of their games but wasn't old enough to appreciate what Gamefreak were trying to do with B/W? I swear one of the franchise's main complaints is that it's rarely mixes things up?
>>26327127
>>Chibi models are dropped
I'm already hype for that alone.
>>26327143
Inform me of any post game in other pokemon games
>>26328122
But everyone who says that isn't talking about the franchise, just the main series.
>>26328128
>What is HG/SS?
>>26328128
>What is Black 2 and White 2
>>26328186
Go back to your simulators.
>>26328128
Is this bait holy shit
>>26328229
Yeah that's what I thought faggot
>>26328091
What old pokemon did you have to use in XY?
>>26328045
>that is like saying there are already 7 different sets of starter Pokemon, at that point why not just use old starters over and over again?
That's not at all like what I'm saying.But I do think game freak dropped the ball on Infernape, Emboar, and a few other starters.
Up until XY, the regional rat and bird didn't bring anything new to the table. They were just an early region pure normal, normal/flying type that you'd replace as soon as possible or make into an HM slave.
Instead of wasting our time with Hoothoot, Johto's early region bird should've been Murkrow. Instead of Pidove, Unova's should've been Ducklett.
I'm not saying that multiple pokemon can't have the same type, but early region mons need to have something to make them stand out. Otherwise, they should cull the mon from the dex and use a different pokemon instead.
I don't get it. The Pikachu clones do something different every gen. Why can't the rats and birds be more unique?
>>26328296
Lucario
>>26328323
Why did you have to use him?
>>26328106
Nobody has said that but you.
>>26328345
So you didn't play XY?
>>26328345
You were forced to accept Lucario from Korrina.
>>26328375
Can't you boxed it later tho?
>>26328396
Not really the point. You HAVE to use it, which is the topic. It breaks immersion for a lot of people having to use one especially if they dislike it
>>26328075
>normal
>normal, I don't give a shit if it's cute
>normal, I don't see how having Pick Up is a significant change, but if you insist
>normal/water, but only learns one Water move
>normal
>normal/ground, but I already mentioned Diggersby in an earlier post
My point still stands. Hopefully XY is a turning point and future gen early region mons continue to get secondary typings.
>>26328411
>normal/water, but only learns one Water move
>what are TMs/HMs
>>26328426
>what are TMs/HMs
By the time you get any of the water type TMs/HMs it can learn, you'll have access to objectively better pokemon than Bibarel.
>>26328128
Pokemon is fucking renowned for its postgame. The replayability and postgame are some of the biggest draws
>>26328375
You don't have to use it which is what we are talking about. Like there is no flier so you have to use zubat.
>>26328458
>You don't have to use it which is what we are talking about
Nigga we just told you, you are literally FORCED to use it
>>26328453
Except for XY. Literally no post game OR replay value
>>26328075
>>26328426
Keep in mind I'm not saying Bibarel doesn't count. I'm saying my point still stands whether or not Bibarel exists.
>>26328396
You can, but at that point you were forced to accept it and then use it to battle Korrina's Lucario. You couldn't progress through the game without using it at that moment
>>26328408
It's just a tutorial for Mega Evos
>>26328453
Replayability? For what purpose? To use other pokemon? Most people are just content with their favorites. There isn't anything interesting enough to do it again in this game at all.
>>26328518
Regional pokemon are just for flavor. You can ignore them. Is that what you're saying? See I can do it, too
>>26328529
Most games that have a healthy dex count, allow me to pick and choose a diverse team for each starter Pokemon. I've replayed BW countless times now because of how open it was to only having new Pokemon till the post game
>>26328518
That is how I see it. If there was a gen 6 pokemon with a mega they could have used they would have. Diancie is an event legendary. The whole point of megas is to refresh old favorites.
So yeah you are forced to use an old pokemon for a gimmick that is about old pokemon. I was wrong.
>>26327127
They're doing so well right now, I wouldn't even mind it they only had 70-100 new Pokemon + Megas.
If they developed a great story and developed the games past the Elite four challenge, there shouldn't be a need for 800+ Pokémon when there are already 721.
Just make the ones they do create count.
>>26328310
Why can't the Pikaclones evolve is a greater question and travesty.
That being said, I'm hoping for some previous gen evolutions. My lil nigga Pachirisu needs to get better.
>>26327481
>Kalos was soulless and did not have its own identity with only 16% of the dex made up of its own native pokemon.
This has been my main problem with Kalos and GenVI in general. I've been saying this exact same thing since day 1 (that fucking Pidgey forced encounter, goddamnit).
It is so nice to know that someone else out there feels the same as I do.
>>26327127
>GOAT box mascots
What's your damage?
>>26328128
Battle Frontier in Emerald, the fucking entirety of Kanto in GSC and HGSS, the Battle Zone in DPPt
>>26328823
>yfw in Sun and Moon, Dedenne is now the pre evolved form of Raichu and Pikachu gets a Mega
>>26328902
>raichu now gets fairy typing
Yes. GF please do this.
>>26328825
If you don't like them then you are in the minority. Most people like them and those who don't usually don't hate them.
>>26328840
you unlock also new zones to explore in DPPt
as well in BW + BW2
in fire red, green leaf, you have the sevii islands
even in red blue yellow you have the mewtwo cave which is high level
what about XY ? mhm nothing at all
>>26327655
After the 3 different dexes in Kalos (Coastal, Mountain and the other one- Central I think?), I could see them doing something similar in Alola based on the different islands.
>>26327991
One island with 2 Pokemon centers? Yeah, sure.
>>26327143
They should honestly put all the basics of the game in an optional, interactive guide and remind you about it from time to time. That was honestly one of the best parts of Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam.
What would make S/M GOAT is if they include a hardmode battle frontier after the main game with competitive-tier teams where you actually need tactics for and healing items are banned.I'd also like another PWT pls
>>26328128
fucking hell, you have to be trolling
>>26328529
guy, you are retarded. main draw of pokemon's fucking always been catching, training and loving. finding new mons to catch, train and love
>>26327127I miss the chibi models
>>26327127
>in what way could they fuck these games up for us /vp/?
HMs
>>26330337
>to have a collection, you need to have a static save, not a replay
>>26329907
what about healing moves?
>>26328128
FireRed and LeafGreen had a postgame the first time you beat the E4.
>>26327163
can somebody explain me what chibi models are and how they differ from those in Sun/Moon?
propably im blind but i just dont see a difference
>>26330445
bank? whatever, I see your point. some people like collecting, some like playing the game over and over with different mons. but it's just plain bullshit to claim there's no replay value
>>26330664
the limbs are longer, pretty much that's it
>>26327127
>A demo comes out and everything about the game gets leaked through datamine
>Any less than 85 new Pokemon not counting Mega Evolutions
>Only a handful of the new Pokemon are actually used competitively and the metagame stagnates even farther
>Bullshit encounter rate in water and caves
>Underleveled Gym Leaders and Elite Four
>>26330664
That's just sad
>>26330664
>explain me
why do spics keep doing this
>>26328823
>Why can't the Pikaclones evolve is a greater question and travesty.
But Anon, Marill can evolve.
>>26327153
In BW, the games that made a point about having only new Pokémon in the main game, there was a Pikachu hanging around with its trainer fairly early in the game.
>>26327800
It sold well, but I'm actually seeing a general dissatisfaction outside 4chan too. I think its reputation has gone down since it came out
>>26327601
But you get those regardless of how many new Pokémon you get. The point is that there will always been new Pokémon to catch right away. Even in a game like XY where most Pokémon are returning Pokémon they still had new early route Pokémon, it's just once you caught them there weren't that many more left to catch.
>>26327127
>starters end up as garbage in their third forms
>no more dex nav
>shitty models
>sky battles still a thing
>story is awful, even worse than X/Y
>rivals are Tierno-level shit
>3 pokemon cap for gym leaders
>Elite Four with 4 pokemon
>no postgame until the next 7th gen game
