If I had to be honest, the combination of Litten's colors are kind of odd, so I decided to give it a more "fire type" palette, and it really does look like a tabby/tiger cub.
And a second version without its side fur.
I hate mondays
How is pink more fire type than black and red?
>>26294327
ahaha basically, still a decent edit tho
>>26294316
Autism.
>>26294345
Thats PINK to you?
>HURF DURF EVERY FIRE TYPE NEEDS RED
Although the no-whiskers design could be a cool gender difference.
>>26294316
Make it Charmander's orange with black stripes.
>>26294316
>the combination of Litten's colors are kind of odd
Cyndaquil exists.
>>26294373
Not him, but yeah looks pretty pink to me. Maybe a salmon.
Can anyone reverse the red and the black of Litten's palette? I have the feeling it would look less jarring like that.
>>26294374
bruh, considering that most fire type starters have traits of yellows, oranges, and reds, wouldn't it make fucking sense for linnet to be reddish-orange
And I agree, the no whiskers design would make a nice gender difference
Where's her piko piko hammer? Where's the blue speedy cat she stalks?
>>26294373
It's right between being orange and pink.
>its an autism thread about fixing a starter
>it looks worse
>>26294467
Any suggestions then anon?
>>26294316
>Litten can attack with flaming hairballs! Its fur is rich in oils and immensely flammable. Litten grooms itself by licking its fur, and then uses the collected fur as fuel for fireball attacks!
>When the time comes for Litten to shed its old fur, it all burns up in a glorious blaze.
>Most well thought out fire type probably ever and with a perfectly fitting colour scheme
>Now let me make it a pink cat
>>26294378
>>26294431
>considering that most fire type starters have traits of yellows, oranges, and reds, wouldn't it make fucking sense for linnet to be reddish-orange
It's a stupid trend in my opinion. I get that Pokemon's for kids but there are more ways to show that a pokemon is fire-type.
>>26294561
Now it truly is garfield
>>26294590
Out of curiosity, what do you think those ways could be like? I have a shitty imagination so I cant really think outside the box for fire types to be not heavily associated with heat and similar things
>>26294316
>so I decided to give it a more "fire type" palette
You call that a Fire type palette? Bitch it looks like a fucking Normal type. It's basically a Meowth/Skitty hybrid now.
>>26294316
Looks Fairy type to me.
>>26294373
>>26294444
So, peach?
>>26294535
You can be well thought out but have a lame design.
Litten's design doesn't even feel like a pokemon. It's cute and all, but if I saw it on it's own I would just assume it's from an anime I never heard of.
Even on it's own visual aesthetic principles, it looks more evil than fiery. And not even "hellish" evil, just 'this cat probably belongs to some witch"
OP's edit just makes it look cute/fairyish though.
>>26294683
Peach is exactly how i'd describe it.
>>26294316
I would say keep some level of the cheek tufts.
>>26294384
few people even remember Cyndaquill exist, sadly.
Gen 2: forgotten Gen
>>26294630
Not him, but Chandelure easily conveys that it's fire, and it's about as opposite from that scheme as you can get. Megazard X as well.
Of course, those have literal fire on them, but I also think Reshiram does a really good job at conveying "Fire" without having literal fire on him or being Orange (talking neutral mode of course.)
It's a strong white with dashes of red tints, and has this flowing, wispy look to it's fur that's ever moving. I mean, it almost looks like you took a flame and completely white washed it. I think early on in Gen 5 when it was revealed if people didn't have the preconception of "Light type" as a possibility, people would've easily guessed Dragon/Fire as it's type.
I think Black/Red Litten is fine. So what if it looks different from the rest of the starters, it's color choice works and makes sense. It's not like it DOESNT look like a Fire type, anyway.
>>26294316
Needs to be more orange OP. WAAAAY too pink. Compare your litten to the other fire starters and it doesn't fit at all.
>>26294316
I'd go with something a little more orange or brown, but I like this much better than the actual colors.
Black/Red/Yellow just doesn't appeal to me. It looks kinda tacky.
>>26294852
OP here, I actually like these a lot! Litten looks like a feral which is fitting.
It looks like an abortion.
>>26294852
cute
Litten here is a huge improvement. I was fine with Rowlet's original colors but the additional green looks great.
>>26294902
I actually had no idea that this looked pink to other people, my monitor must be screwed up then, I need to get it fixed asap since it looked orange for me.
My bad everyone!
>>26294975
i actually like the pink, it's like a soft salmon color. Maybe not for the actual poke but as a shiny it'd be pretty nifty
These are the worst starters simply because they break the established pattern of colors.
To date, every starter has followed a pattern.
Grass
-Almost always a faded green, most virbant to date is Snivy.
-Dominantly green with accent colors, never reverse
Fire
- NEVER red, not a single fire starter has ever been RED. only orange or yellow.
-Always been portrayed in warm colors, not dark colors like black
Water
-Always a light blue or teal, never dark blue
Rowlet - Brown/beige with the tiniest of green accents
Litten - Dominantly black with RED markings.
Popolio - DARK blue.
>>26295082
>colorpicking from fanart
why are people so obsessed with patterns, it's so restricting
>>26295082
Patternfags really are the worst.
>>26295082
First of all you are comparing the colors with fan artworks and not the original designs and Tepig and Cyndaquil have black in it's design. VII starters are cool just because they broke the boring pattern.
>>26295169
>>26295210
>>26295239
Its not patternfagging. i dont give a shit about patterns, I give a shit of breaking an established design, you just don't do that. its basic design and color theory, and as starters these just do not work. They need a major color overhaul to fit with the others.
>>26295323
>breaking an established design
>not breaking a pattern
>Fire-type cat whose fur is literally coated in flammable black oil.
>Hurr, let's make its fur bright orange / peach!
>>26295082
>hurr durr muh patterns
>worst starters
Really? What is "new, unexpected, exciting?"
>>26295323
>Im not a patternfag, I just hate when patterns are broken!
Using synonyms doesn't change your case, kid.
Also
>its basic design and color theory
Bullshit it is. There's no argument you're making about color theory, youre just asspained that the starters look slightly different than before. Their color schemes all still work with each other perfectly fine. Color theory doesnt postulate "All colors have to match what was previously stated!". Like what the fuck does that even mean, you sound like youre just throwing out phrases to make yourself seem like you know what youre talking about.
>>26295405
>unexpected
Are you fucking kidding me? its insulting is what it is.
For every year starters had subtle nuances to their colors and themes. You can tell charmander/tepig/fenekkin are fire typed by design not color. cyndiquil is black and yellow, but still has orange spots if its flame is off
Litten is RED
Rowlet is GREEN
Poplio is BLUE
The most obvious 00cc00 shade of green, like its screaming HEY KIDS, GREEN MEANS GRASS! RED MEANS FIRE! AND BLUE MEANS WATER! See that Shuckle over there? its RED! so its a FIRE TYPE!
its a fucking insult.
>>26294316
Pink? For FIRE? That's Fairy/Normal to me. And why the hell would you take whiskers off a cat?
>>26294373
Are your eyes broken?
>>26294694
This could be said about a lot of pokemon. You're just used to them all being Pokémon but Litten is still new. Within a few months it'll fit right in with the rest of them.
>>26295556
They said the same thing about purloin and it still doesn't fit.
>>26294316
Maybe a litten without the oil, after its fur has burned off.
>>26295364
Not all il is black. Now it's obviously what Litten was going for was black oil but cooking oil for example is translucent yellow-ish to totally clear and also very flammable
>>26294683
>>26294694
Peaches are pink, you oafs.
>Littens fur is covered in oil
Then why the fuck is is just died black, that concept doesnt get across at all, it needs to be dripping or sticky like goodra if they're gonna go that route.
Oil is viscuous like slime or ooze, not matted down to the fur.
>>26295502
Yeah dude! The old starters were subtle and well nuanced! They never immediately conveyed their typings with their designs with silly things like Fins, Fire or Leaves at all! Or colors, they never kept it tied to their typings! Back in the day, they RESPECTED our intelligence! Only the acquired eye could truly grasp what the designers meant to say with the designs of the pokemon.
>>26295082
try not color picking from stylized fanart
>hur hur
>>26295616
Oil does indeed dye the animal black. It doesnt necessarily drip and goop like Goodra.
Besides, its likely not literal diesel oil, but just some species specific oil it produces, like the kinds in most animals. But since there's a specific emphasis on it, the fact that it's flammable, and the common color associated with the word "oil" (especially flammable oils), black is a good way of visually referencing that concept quickly.
Like, I dont think that the cat is meant to feel slick and wet. It's the same way that real cats dont feel oily, despite having oils in their fur.
>>26295502
>You can tell charmander/tepig/fenekkin are fire typed by design not color.
You're kind of an idiot, aren't you? You know taht Tepig has the same color scheme, except is more orange than red, right? And Charmander is literally a red-orange lizard with fucking fire on it's tail. How is that "subtle"?
Please, just stop, you are terrible at what you are trying to do. See >>26295685 and (since you clearly need a refresher on the previous starters) >>26295721
>>26295721
Man, looking at this, Litten has such a nice color scheme. I can't wait to see how the "bomb cat" thing plays out in its later forms.
>>26295789
I'm not really a fan of the color scheme personally, but I do think it fits the theme pretty well.
It's the eyes and how harsh the black is, I kinda wish they would have gone for something closer to the black used for Tepig's design.
>>26294373
It's a lightish red
It hurts that we didn't get any of these three.
>>26295908
>>26295872
When I started thinking of it as a bomb, the colors really clicked for me. The majority of it is black (like ash, oil, or just your average circular cartoon bomb), and the red and yellow are more like warning signs than anything. If you look at something iconic (ie, Bomberman's bombs) you'll notice an almost perfect match in the color ratio.
this thread made me realize something: why is there no real such thing as "light red"? its just labeled as something like "carnation" or "bubble gum" if it isn't just pink
sure you got shit like teal, and turquoise for blue, and lime green and jade for blue, but they at least have accepted "light" blue, green, orange, etc. shades.
>>26296074
*light green and jade for GREEN. holy shit
>>26295721
>Litten is German
>>26295908
Wow. Normally I dont fancy changes too much, but Popplio looks so much better. Honestly it could keep the old color scheme, making its eyes slightly smaller and adding teeth nudges it more towards sea lion and away from obnoxious clown.
>>26294630
Make it white like LIGHT
>>26296074
Salmon is more of a light red than a pink imo but yeah it's all just red or pink
>>26295760
>>26295616
You have a point in that, yeah, oil does sorta dye the animal black, but the other guy has a point too. It doesn't come across as oil in the design at all, it simply looks like it's a black cat. You can't use it as a way to defend the design if it's something you can only know by reading the description. Even making the fur appear slick and oily would make it seem a lot more than just a completely regular cartoon cat with red details.
>>26296282
>>26295760
>>26296282
I also feel like the "wick" tail isn't really emphasized enough, considering that, aside from the oil, is the only thing that makes it different from a regular cat. I just thought it was a regular scruffy tail before someone on here pointed out that it was a wick. Perhaps making the tail white like the wick of a cartoon bomb, or making some sparks or a flame at the end of the tail, would help a lot.
>>26296334
This would be perfect. You can tell that it has oil on it based on the design. You can't call something a design element if it isn't a visible feature.
It's not so much that the design is bad, it just seems very bland. The same goes for the other two starters; Rowlet is just a round owl with a green palette and a leaf bow, and Popplio is just a sea lion clown.
>>26294316
>>26296334
Gog is exactly what I thought when I saw the description.
>>26296282
I mean.. yeah, youre right, its not something you'd definitely know JUST by looking at it, but it does tie in still. What I'm trying to say is difficut to articulate.
Black doesnt contradict a fire types' design. It's a pretty harmless color to use, especially in such abundance. Couple that with the knowledge of its oil elements, and I think you can see that they were going for that.
As far as being a design element, it doesn't have to be intensely pronounced for it to be there, hint at it work fine enough. If they intended on oil being outright the main visual element, then yes, I'd expect it to look more slick. But I dont think thats the case, I think it's just the color scheme that theyre incoporating it with. It's like with Emboar's tail. It starts off as a bomb, then explodes as it evolves. It's not a major striking theme with it's design, but it flows well and doesn't contradict at all.
>>26294316
Why is it pink? Are you colorblind?
>>26294373
You are colorblind.
That looks like he came from Gen1 OP.
also don't understand how is pink or skin color is more fiery but okay
>>26295964
Why are you coloring it like a rock or ground type?
>>26296452
That's orange, faggot
>>26294373
Yeah, pink/salmon
>>26295502
Could you be more dramatic. Go get a grip and some air
