i know that i kinda posted this already,but i will repost this because i need some more help
i will try to be quick as possible
i want to use a lilligant to beat a friend with his blaziken,what i can tell you is that
Blaziken:
(unknow ivs)
(can't remeber evs but since he's casual he probably put most of the evs in the attack)
moves:
blaze kick
flame charge
hype beam
(can't remember fourth but it is probably attack)
ability and nature unknow
he is going to mega evolve it of course
tell me what kind of lilligant should i use (and also,if beating a blaziken with a lilligant is imposible,tell me a moveset for a lucario)
lilligant thread btw
If it's a male, attract and quiver dance. Maybe you'll get lucky.
>>26289632
another anon suggested to use tatter dance or sleep powder instead
the only real question is:which status lasts the long ? paralize sleep or attract ? i'm also using fouch sash
>>26289735
Try sleep in this way you will have more chances, but you need to trust int liligant heart.
>>26290191
thank you anon,i will trust in her
can you suggest the evs and nature ?
i'am going to make a perfect 31 ivs lilligant and give her focus sash,but i dunno what about evs and nature
>>26290398
Maybe you can overspeed the blaziken if the nature or the ev/iv are not good enough.
Then Timid and focus 252 speed 252 atk speed.
>>26290570
so timid nature,252 speed and 252 spk attack ?
what about the remaning 6 evs ?
>>26290660
Hp.
>>26290701
ok,then i guess
lilligant
252 speed / 252 spk attack / 6 hp
ability: own tempo
nature: timid
item: focus sash
>>26290741
Yeah good lucky.
if you want to have more chances, try to put one spiderweb in game to low the speed of blaziken
>>26290769
putting one spider web would waste one precious turn
if we start that his blaziken is faster when the battle begins putting spider web would be a waste of time
also another question,if i decide to breed and i manage to get a petilil with the right nature and ability with perfect 31 ivs and stuff,do i just need to evolve her into a lilligant and then proceed to the ev training ?
>>26290938
Yeah theres no contradictions.
Own Tempo
Quiver Dance
Sleep Powder
HP Ground
Petal Blizzard (whatever the 120bp grass move is that normally confuses you).
>>26291354
>hp ground
wait a second anon,it is already hard to get 31 ivs,but getting that specific iv for hidden power ground seems to be even more harder,are you sure about that ?
>>26291450
There's no other alternative for OHKOing a Blaziken with Lilligant, and even then you won't get a chance to attack unless he's fucking retarded. HP Water, Psychic and Flying work too though.
>>26291545
i can put an hp water on my lilligant ? with focus sash on seems like an easy win,unless he doesn't survie the water attack and he attacks again defeating my lilligant ?
>>26291450
depends on how you want to do this,if you use hp water it might look like a cheap victory but still a win,but if you beat him with quiver dance it's harder but surely a greater victory
>>26291641
Not really. I don't think there's a sense of honor in Pokémon, and trying to get a harder/greater victory and getting over confident can result in a loss.
>>26291709
fine,i guess i will go for hidden power,but which one is the most effective ?
>>26291725
Water and Ground are good. Can't remember if Fighting resists Rock so HP Rock might not be a good choice. Psychic could work too.
>>26291765
ok so should i put the blaziken to sleep or should i go for the direct hit hoping to defeate him in one move ?
>>26291811
try with the water if you have focus sash and you are enough fast
>>26292111
so what kind of ivs do i need to make the most powerful hidden power's water ?
>>26292335
this are all the iv for hidden power,dunno which one is the most powerful tho
31/30/30/30/31/31
30/30/30/30/31/31
31/31/31/30/31/30
30/31/31/30/31/30
>>26292335
>>26292575
all of these iv conbination are the strongest,but getting that exact ivs is hard even if they are four conbinations,try to breeding and calculate the hidden power by yourself http://www.psypokes.com/dex/hp.php
>>26289592
Don't bother with hidden power OP. This is much easier than you think.
Timid max spatk and spe, wide lense, sleep powder, giga drain quiver dance and dream eater.
Yes it learns dream eater which is SE against fighting type blaziken. Lili is also faster assuming no speed boosts. Just sleep it then fuck it with dream eater, piss easy.
>>26292700
the point is that his blaziken has got speed boost if i remeber as an ability,so what ?
>>26292823
if his blaziken has got speed boost then try with wide lense anyway and put him to sleep and then go with dream eater,however,if he wakes up,then gg,if you don't want to risk it then just go with focus sash
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>>26292940
> forgot picture
> mfw
>>26292936
if he has got speed boost but you get the first turn anyway:
you go with wide lense and put him to sleep and hope that sleep lasts long enough,but if he wakes up,then it's gg
you go with focus sash,put him to sleep,and use dream eater,if he wakes up and hits try to put him to sleep again and use dream eater again
if he hasn't got speed boost:
you go with wide lense and put him to sleep,then you use dream eater twice,however,if you manage to only deal one dream eater and he only has 50% but he wakes up,then it's gg
you go with focus sash,put him to sleep and use dream eater twice,but if he wakes up and hits you put him again to sleep and use dream eater one more time
>>26293239
getting wide lense only gives 10 % more accuracy, focus sash seems to better in both cases,however i don't see the point of having giga drain if the blaziken can defeate lilli with one hit
Lilligant @ Leftovers
252 speed/252 def/ 4 HP
Sleep Powder
Substitute
Leech Seed
Protect
>>26293551
so basically put a substitute,then a sleep powder,then a leech seed and protect incase things get bad ?
>>26293605
first sleep powder in first turn when you are faster
Then leech seed
Then substitute
Then protect, sleep powder, etc
>>26293624
shouldn't you put a protect only if the substitute goes down ?
>I want to use a grass type to beat a fire type cuz muh waifu
Jesus christ stop karenfagging and just pick a ground or water type already and beat his ass.
>>26293642
No, protect is one more turn and you have nothing else to do anyway if he is sleeping
>>26293649
it's not about waifu,it's about kicking his ass
he is one of those casuals go goes like "luh blazi is so kool !!111!!!!!11!!!1 and only uses attack moves,so i thought that it would be funny to to humiliate him with a grass type,lilligant is just a coincidence
>>26293669
but i heard that the more you use protect the more it has the chance to fail
>>26293709
And you're one of those faggots who adresses you pokemon as "She" so don't even. You two are perfect for each other.
Pokemon are tools to utilize for battle, you know your enemy's set, strategize and beat him with something logical, not some wildcard because lol it'd be funny.
But then again you're probably trolling for yous, so keep going.
>>26293742
Sleep powder (until he asleep)
Leech seed
Substitute
Then protect every other turn, and
Sleep powder if he wakes up
Substitute if you substitute is down AND he is asleep
>>26293709
You're an even bigger faggot for making fun of your "so called" friend. Just because he likes what the regular majority like? You're a really shitty friend if you actually think that way about people close to you. and of a fictional RPG game of all things.
>>26293794
ok,maybe i shouldn't had to use the word "humiliate"
let's just say that i want to do this so we can get a laugh about it
>>26293752
Lilligant is a female only Pokemon though, disregarding the waifu shit, so I don't see why you should be reprimanding him for referring to it as such.
it seems like that all the strategies here are mostly based on luck,so i will try to see if i can get to it
if your lilligant is capable to survive one fire attack without focus sash,then go for >>26292700
if she is not capable of then go for >>26293766
but if you have got a lot of time to waste,then go for >>26291354
>>26289592
blaziken has a x2 weakness to psychic
teach you lilligant dream eater and use when blaziken is asleep
>>26294005
already suggested by >>26292700
the only question is if you should use wide lence or focus sash (btw i do believe that blazken had speed boost)
>>26294055
since you can't confirm if the blaziken has got speed boost or not,let's assume he has it
then in this case go for >>26292700
but with focus sash
My Lilligant >>26293551 wins 75% of the time (Sleep Powder accuracy).
If you assume that he is not going to die from one fire attack (achievable by EV or by occa berry, for example) then it wins 93% of the time, hitting with the second sleep powder (enemy blaziken is likely to have average speed, not being optimized, therefore max speed Lilligant should outspeed even 1.5x Blaziken )
The Dream Eater strategy is slightly less better, because Blaziken (being always faster after turn 2) can wake up before and make the attack fail.
>>26294126
oh, and it has the plus of being a slow, annoying death.
op here,i asked my friend,yes the blaziken has speed boost,guess i'm going for >>26293551
Op you should beat it with FEAR Rattata
Jesus fucking Christ the cluelessness in this thread is unbearable. Just take it and leave.
Timid, 180 EVs in speed to guarantee the first turn, 252 defense, dump the rest in HP. Max IVs in HP, Def, Spe, and try for Sp Atk. Hold Focus Sash.
Sleep Powder, Dream Eater, try for any super effective Hidden Power, and there's really no fourth move.
Turn 1: Sleep Powder, hope it hits
Turn 2: Hope he doesn't wake up, use Dream Eater
Turn 3: He might wake up, tank attack with Focus Sash, use Hidden Power to end it.
If anything fucks up, you're pretty boned.
>>26294174
or you could go with >>26292700
but instead of putting your evs in attack you put them in defense so you can survive one attack even without focus sash
I want a cute Lilligant to use Giga Drain on my dick
>ITT /vp/ helps some faggot's waifu beat his friend's waifu
then it's settled, i will go for >>26294257
but it's going to take a while to get those ivs,hopefully i will win
>>26294387
my friend is a casual, i don't think he is attracted to hot chicks
>>26294257
but wait,since blaziken has got speed boost,if he wakes up and attacks,not only lilligant would get the tank attack and remain with 1 hp,but she also woudn't be able to use hidden power since blaziken is still faster
>>26294558
It's a turn based rpg you dense nigger, you survive the attack he uses with Focus Sash and use your own attack second.
>>26294558
maybe hidden power has got priority ?
>>26294606
and how am i supposed to know when he wakes up ? or should i go by "he has low hp,even if he wakes up i can still use hidden power !"
>>26294622
you just answered yourself
You should have higher aspirations than just beating your friends
>>26294744
like what ?
>>26290741
Run sunny day and chlorophyll ability with sleep powder and Dream eater.
>>26294773
that woudn't really work that well since you blaziken has got speed boost
>>26294463
>hot chicks
It's funny because it's Blaziken.
>>26295071
that's the joke
>>26295116
Yeah, I know. That's what I said.
>>26294257
so what if the other stats are like 29 instead of 30 ? is it ok anyway ?
>>26295376
Just do the best you can.
At level 50, IVs add half the IV number to the stat. 30 and 31 add 15, 28-29 add 14, etc. You'd only be missing one stat point.
>>26295452
so like
hp is 31
when the pokemon reaches level 50 it gets 15 iv
and when it reaches level 100 it gets 16 ivs for a total of 31
speed is 29
when the pokemon reaches level 50 it gets 14 ivs
when the pokemon reache level 100 it gets 15 for a total of 29
>>26292700
Me again. A +1 dream eater OHKOs megablazi, and likely outspeeds if it isnt max speed. Focus sash is a better item so use it as insurance. Sleep, dance, then kill.
There are much better subseeders than lilligant.
>>26295931
wait so
turn 1:sleep powder
turn 2 dream eater
turn 3:quiver dance ?
>>26296002
no,more like
turn 1:sleep powder
turn 2:quiver dance
turn 3:dream eater
if the blaziken wakes up put him to sleep again and use giga drain,then dream eater again
>>26295634
Just about. At 50 it'll get 15.5, which is rounded down.
>>26296187
>giga drain
Just use dream eater, it drains HP too.
