Never Give Up Edition
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>VS Code: vgptg
>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/wg88nq9D (embed)
>How do I play online? What is a VS code?
After completing the initial menu tutorial and picking a partner pokemon, pick Online Battle from the main menu / world map.
VS codes are basically passwords. Set the preferences to Anyone > Use Vs Code > vgptg
>What are some resources I can check out?
http://www.serebii.net/pokken/
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pokken+tournament+tutorial
http://kuroganehammer.com/Pokken
http://pokkenarena.boards.net/
I will never give you up Machamp
Is /vp/ still going on burst speed?
>The server is undergoing maintenance.
Well, guess I'm not playing on the code today.
Here's hoping there's a patch
>we'd be safe on /vp/ they said
>we won't get pushed of the bored they said
>>26283331
New starters just got announced. It's only natural that things would speed up during that time.
>>26283669
Go away you stupid dragon. Your hitboxes are retarded.
Can we talk about how shit my bros are?
Finally I can kick ass as Gengar and Machamp, except...I can't really kick any ass at all. Gengar can't do shit for damage outside of burst so I have to rely on shit like that grab that restores health. Machamp gets shit on by anything with a ranged game.
My boys got nerfed way too fuckin hard. Buffs when?
>>26283804
Never because Namco is dumb. Gengar's grab doesn't even deal decent damage, either.
Is there any reason to use Farfetched over Cubone?
>>26283958
Farfetch'd is a lot easier to combo off of and comes with Electrode if you're good at baiting people into it.
It's a lot worse defensively than Cubone, though.
Where are the patch notes.
>>26284565
Isn't it just routine maintenance?
Obligatory 120 damage Mewtwo throw post.
Anyone wanna code for a few? And if you're Obs don't pick random.
>>26285340
Doesn't Charizard have a grab that does over 100 as well?
>>26285528
So do Machamp, Chandelure and Garchomp
notice a trend here?
>>26285893
no because Gardevoir also has a grab that does over 100.
>>26285340
I'm still upset.
>>26285893
>Machamp
Which grab is that?
>>26285528
Difference is that theu aren't Mewtwo,
>>26287128
Don't they all?
What happened, was it a patch or just maintenance?
>>26293127
Probably just maintenance, did the version number change?
>>26287128
forward+A
Is Machamp just easy to play, or am I retarded?
Started the game off by playing Machamp because he's bro-tier. Tried picking up Gengar because he seems cool too but he plays so very differently I can't get my head around it and keep losing against average CPUs. Send help.
>>26293324
Please be the chosen one that brings Machamp into tier S
>>26293365
What, he isn't already considered good? Sure he struggled against zoners, but when he manages to get in close he has some good damage.
>>26293324
Machamp and gengar are polar opposites. With gengar, abuse vanish a lot and remember you can move in your stances, so it makes punishes much easier. Machamp is really simple as long as it's not field phase.
>>26293583
What character do you recommend I pick up after having learned (the basics of) Machamp then? ie, what character is closest to his play-style, rather than an opposite?
>>26293654
Not that anon, but Charizard maybe?
>>26293654
>>26293696
Yeah charizard is probably the only other one that follows the same game plan as closely, but he's way slower with a few mid range options.
>>26294009
>>26293696
Is there any place I can get an overview of all the character's play-styles that isn't a ten-page essay, but also not dumbed down to the point of "Power", "Speed", "Technical"?
>>26294051
Not really? It's hard to find anything at all honestly. People usually suggest some dreamhack guy, but I've personally never watched him myself so I'm not sure how informative he is. I can tell you for sure that shofu and zero don't know shit, though.
why did this thread get moved to this shit board
>>26294333
guess
>>26294333
/ink/ is too strong
>>26294320
Oh, I actually watched some of Shofu's videos. They seemed informative enough, but then again, I know jack shit about fighters outside of Smash, so eh.
You're right though, concrete, wiki-like information seems to be very sparse. I would've expected Bulbapedia to have more than a single page of basic information, but I guess not?
Possible a side-effect of the genre of the game though, who knows.
>>26294413
Shofu is a fucking hack.
>>26294433
Care to explain why though? Is he just bad or what?
>>26294507
bad and doesn't know what he's talking about. Has shit opinions.
Concerning Pokken. I'm assuming he's also like this with whatever else he does
>>26294051
>Charizard
Abuse Fire Punch a lot. Pressure a lot with his disjointed hitboxes and confirm off hits for combos.
>Pikachu
Zone until you can't, then abuse your small hurtbox and comparatively big hitboxes to punish them until you can zone again.
>R. Pika
Rushdown. Don't lose momentum.
>Machamp
Get in, rekt lives. Don't get in, lose.
>Gengar
Do everything you can to get Synergy, since you aren't doing shit to anyone without it
>Mewtwo
Abuse your stupid good toolset
>Shadow Mewtwo
Abuse your stupid good toolset
>Suicune
Zone, if they get in counter attack
>Sceptile
Bait attacks, then go for long combos that end with you setting up a trap or mixup.
>Blaziken
Pretend you are playing Captain Falcon and Pichu at the same time.
>Gardevoir
Zone all day, erry day. If they get in use Fenniken.
>Garchomp
Use dig to get in then do whatever. He's RPS - The Character.
>Lucario
Rushdown or Zone at your leisure
>Weavile
Rushdown hard, use mixups in your offense to bait and punish whiffs
>Chandelure
Zone hard. If they get in, don't overheat unless you have to.
>Braixen
Zone hard if you can. If not, abuse multihit moves.
>>26294549
Damn, that's more or less what I need. Thanks, appreciate it!
>>26294625
Not that anon, but remember to use free practice. The combo tutorial only teaches one or 2 worthwhile, and the rest aren't worth the effort or just suck in general. The only one I remember actually teaching all decent and worth remembering combos was weavile, but it was nothing I wouldn't have learned in the field.
>>26294549
Fennekin was basically made just for Gardevoir
Covers her one weakness
Best panic button
>that one assist that you want to stop using, but your character it too reliant on it
What is their name?
official soundtrack release when?
>>26295786
Croagunk+gengar works wonders. But I haven't had any luck using it with other characters. Honestly, I'm really underwhelmed by the assists. If they do any damage, it scales too hard to make any follow up useful unless it's a killing blow.
>>26295916
Same day as Greninja DLCnever
>>26296117
>Croagunk+gengar
How does it even work?
>>26296321
You use sludge, then call him out and push them around with shadow balls or fists, so no matter what they take at least one debuff. If they're close when he's called, you can try sludge again or grab. It's a reliable set up, at least for me.
>>26296401
I'll probably need to see a webm. it's kind of hard to visualize
>>26296401
While having both atk and def down on an enemy is nice, I'm not sure if it's more useful than Cresselia for Gengar since Cresselia helps it with it's horrible HP and speeds up synergy.
>>26296426
It's very easy to recreate, just set an ai to attack, counter sludge, call out.
>>26296465
Cresselia is great for nearly everyone. I usually make up the difference in synergy by dragging out the match, grabbing more, or using flurry punches more. All those make synergy easy to obtain, especially if you're able to get the orbs during field phase.
I'd offer to go on the code and show it off a bit, but you definitely don't want to tolerate my shit connection.
>>26296465
Wouldn't Jirachi be even better, since it can be used multiple times in a match?
>>26297871
Jirachi doesn't heal. Also rounds go by so fast that you'll often only get to use it once unless you are using support cheer. The synergy burst buff is hilarious on Mega Gengar as it makes it kill around 60%-70% percent HP, but you really don't need it.
Chances of new region pokemon getting in?
>>26299733
Pretty low, but not impossible
>>26299733
Best way of promotion.
>>26296117
I think Farfetched's scaling is almost non-existent.
>>26295916
Have you been living under some sort of cave under the sea?
It's been out for a while now
Jesus, Chandelure's two debuff hex does so damage.
Is it possible to afflict someone with three debuffs?
>>26301709
Probably with an assist
Nerf divekicks
>>26303581
Whose divekick needs nerfed?
>>26303774
yes
>>26301340
What, no. It's all just rips.
>>26295786
Braixen + cubone.
Muh combos.
MAINTENANCE OVER WHEN
>>26304371
Again?
>The server is undergoing maintenance
Holy shit this had take long enough
>>26301709
It would deal around 260 damage, it's stupid good.
>>26304371
>>26304396
why is pokken so fucking shit. No other nintendo game has to put up with this
>>26303774
Loving Weavile's divekicks.
>>26293401
>he isn't already considered good?
only during the arcade version
>>26281721
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qEBZFpcP84FdMa7rxirWZpV1UIXNYLCb8uq-uPiK3JE/edit#gid=76683771
Has this game gone through data mining? Maybe they're updating the servers with aDLC shopthat will be unlocked at a later date.
>>26306747
I like using lucarios weak jump attack on an enemy wake up. It actually works pretty well as a very strange meaty, really good for stuffing mewtwo and gengar burst attacks when they're about to wake up.
>>26308052
Speaking of bursts. Is there a list of which synergy have grabs and counters when activated? I know weavile can get grabbed out of his burst.
>>26308443
Sceptile, Suicune also have CA on activation.
I remember having a picture saved about which bursts were invincible on activation, but I seem to have lost it.
>>26308443
Gengar- grab
Mewtwo- grab
Machamp- strike
Blaziken- strike
Weavile- counter
Lucario- strike
Suicune- counter
Pikachu- strike
Libre- strike
Garchomp- strike
Braixen- projectile
Chandelure- projectile
Shadow mewtwo- counter
Gardevoir- projectile
Sceptile- counter
Charizard- projectile
I get mixed results with shadow mewtwo and sceptile. Almost like they're strikes and counters so I'm not sure what's up with that, I just know I get critical every time I do something other than be still and eat it or block. You can also technically call machamps burst a projectile, but you have to hit them very close to get full damage and animation, while other projectiles can hit around mid range and still get full effect. For the striking and counters, you only need to hit with last hit of the attack to trigger the animation, which is really useful to know. I haven't found any exceptions there besides then dying before it starts.
Hope it helps, and hopefully someone can apply more depth and fixes, especially in the case of sceptile and shadow mewtwo.
>>26308699
I'm fairly sure S.Mewtwo's isn't a counter.
>>26307878
But anon, changes to the servers don't show up in the game data on your console.
>>26308819
This. Remember interrupting someone with a strong attack.
>>26308699
>I just know I get critical every time I do something other than be still and eat it or block.
All bursts are counter piercing, are you sure you aren't mistaking that for a crit?
>>26308699
Worth adding is that Garchomp's Burst attack resists hitstun, so while it isnt a counter it can't be interrupted as easily as other "strike" bursts
Lilligant when
I want to petal dance this shit out of everyone
>>26311794
There is a small chance they're gonna announce some DLC characters after Worlds/EVO, if not then we'll have to hope for a sequel
kek
>>26311794
>Lilligant
It's a beautiful dream, but that's sadly all it is.
>>26311794
Why does Grass type have the best waifus?
>>26311794
How would all the dance moves work
Doesnt she have a limited movepool
I know she has leaf storm
>>26311794
We need another 4 legged mon.
>>26312469
Nah man
A unique fighter like Srafty would be great
Small and crafty
>>26283804
I can see /vp/ is still shit. Gengar is fucking good m8
git gud
>>26312739
Only in burst, lmao
>>26312739
teach me how outside of burst faggot
Gengar hits like a wet tube sock
>>26312608
Oh man Scrafty in Pokken would be fucking gold if they could design him a proper kit. I can imagine he can be given a ton of personality.
>>26314112
"Hey turn that frown upside down bro"
>>26311931
DLC WHEN???
>>26311794
It will comeas a support
>>26308699
Shadow mewtwo is not counter-like burst; it have a big AoE, both ground and air BUT is vulnerable to grabs and other (strong) attacks (that can flinch sinergy burst mode 'mons) on the first 0.5 or more secs of triggering.
>>26313197
>>26313297
Not that anon but
>>26293583
This anon
In field phase you should throw your air weak attack and follow or get as much synergy orbs as you can. With gengar you should try to drag out fights in general, so you can try to get as much synergy as possible unless you have cresselia then it doesn't really matter. Duel phase you should always be moving in a stance so you can be ready to punish anything, while constantly annoying them with shadow balls and shadow punches. If I had to describe a way to play gengar it would be to play him like bison- try to hold a charge and maintain control, while being very annoying from a distance and from the air.
>Get to anything higher than D1
>Everyone opponent lags from here on
Nice game Namco
>>26312739
Gengar has major problems, mostly stemming from very low damage and low HP. If he hit harder, he could be a glass cannon. If he had more HP it'd justify his poor damage, but as it stands he only has Mega Gengar going for him.
>>26316031
In field, just throw out everything you got. Mainly j.Y, 4/6Y, and Shadow Punch, with infrequent Shadow Balls, Sludge Bombs, and 2X. In duel, Gengar's strongest way to get momentum is fully charged Shadow Balls and Sludge Bomb. The former forces blocks/counters/retreats. The latter punishes most attacks and is an effective anti-air at times. I feel Gengar really suffers at a range in duel and wants to get to mid/close-range as soon as possible.
Is burning out a thing? Been playing nearly all afternoon and my performance has been dropping.
>>26317761
Yes. On every game ever.
It's best to know when enough was enough
Not letting /ptg/ die.
So is Pokken's online fine? Global Splatfest is crashed the servers or something and we can't get matched.
Can the opponent see if you're holding a charge?
>>26320546
It's fine for the most part, not sure if the maintenance is already over though
>>26321614
No
Why is the 2/4/6/8 notation a thing? Wouldn't d/f/b/u (down/forward/back/up) be more accessible?
>>26322384
what are diagonals
>>26322413
fd/fu/bd/bu? Don't know, still seems more intuitive to me than numpad numbers. Then again, I haven't been in the scene for very long.
>>26320546
Would recommend blocking anyone with a shit connection after a match or DC mid match. Remember fighting a scumbag who must've had the worst ping ever, used pika libre and all they did was spam back A on field phase and wild charge on duel phase. Fucker was rank A4.
>>26322486
↙ ↓ ↘ ← → ↖ ↑ ↗
>>26322975
Or that, yeah, though for most people that'd involve copy-pasting symbols which isn't very convenient.
>>26322982
Macros would be more convenient.
>>26283683
Don't talk to Garchomp like that, shitlord.
>>26323189
I'm pretty much only good for one round then I'm easily readable. Lost 3 times against a Mewtwo with that counter combo into hyper beam.
Managed to break even 2-2 against a Chandelure
And bullied a Machamp with a 16% win rate once.
Thoughts?
>>26323356
How does Damien still have under 1k fights?
>>26323356
Someone else already took the win virginity.
>>26323356
>Thoughts?
Nice Wii U design.
>>26323356
Looks like someone REALLY hates Lucario
>>26323356
He must be really sore about those two wins. Probably against a self-harming Blaziken.
Anyone watching the UK nationals?
http://serebii.net/pokken/pcs/stream.shtml
>>26323356
Does this man support the Chicago Cubs by any chance?
>>26323839
Oh man, thanks anon
>that Pika Libre damage control by the hosts
>"i-it was totally an awesome addition guise!"
So many people I know are getting sponsored for this game.
>>26324470
Paid for playing it or paid for commentating on events?
>This chat is for subscribers only. Subscribe to this pokkentournamenteu to be able to commentate
>>26323839
I would if they'd actually show some gameplay.
>UMMMMM
>stream is taking a break
>Gardevoir moans in the background
Why are dittos so boring.
>>26325704
Lucario dittos are the best though.
Who were you playing?
Any ditto really, both can counter all of their moves pretty much. It's a matter of waiting for your opponent to mess something up, that's what makes it boring.Braixen
>>26325812
Meant for >>26325812
>>26322486
It works well that having a bunch of letters on the screen. And it's universal for Japan too. Numerical notation is.
>that terrible, awful feel when getting your ass kicked in dittos
>>26326651
>dittos
They're called mirrors anon
>2 battles
>20 minutes wasted on interviews with random shitters
>1 hour long pause
>2 battles
>another pause, this time 2 hours long
Fuck this, I'm out
UK Nationals are over, Braixen has taken the first place. Thoughts?
>>26327197
Based Braixen. I want to make Braixen my secondary, but the playstykle feels drastically different to Weavile.
>>26327197
What support did they use?
>>26327197
>>26327752
>>26327794
>>26327197
How many events has a braixen won? I don't keep on top of these types of things.
>>26327197
Braixen was the first pokemon to beat me in the Ferrum League.
Why is this game so frustrating? I really can't play it anymore. It just seems like the damage is set way too high.
>>26328454
Maybe the HP is set way too low.
>>26328454acquire proficiency
>>26325035
To play competitively
Splatoon hates E-Liters
Pokken hates Braixen
I'm sensing a pattern here.
>>26328603
Do you mean as a community or as gameplay is presented? Cause the community in splatoon hates the eliters because they've made almost all the other chargers obsolete, and makr some maps pure misery. I haven't seen any hate towards braixen since prerelease.
>>26328603
But Gardevoir is the zoner.
>>26327197
>UK Nationals are over, Braixen has taken the first place. Thoughts?
The Braixen on stream? That was the last match in pools.
Nationals aren't over.
>>26327197
>UK Nationals are over, Braixen has taken the first place. Thoughts?
Bullshit, if you're talking about the matches on stream that wasn't the final, that was just the final match of the days pools.
>>26328603
Range is supreme.
>>26328963
Gardevoir is cute though
>>26329161
She's elegant. Cute belongs to braixen.
>tfw signed up for pokkenarena's tournament over a week ago and couldn't be assed to wake up at 8 AM today to check in
ded gam
>>26329625
What's Weavile?
>>26330925
Horrible
>>26330925
Weavile is male cute
Braixen is questionably female cute.I'd ship it.
Why is this roster so SHIT
>>26332107
Diglett when?
>>26332107
There's so few people defending the roster now that the game out compared to before. I don't think I've ever seen a a defense force drop that fast before.
>>26332706
garchomp is cool
>>26332750
Garchomp isn't cool
>>26294549
>Gengar
>Do everything you can to get Synergy, since you aren't doing shit to anyone without it
When will the pain end?
When?
>>26332803
you isn't cool
>>26332750
What's sad is that garchomp is the least of people's complaints. It's mostly chandelure that gets most of the hate besides libre and shadow mewtwo. I personally think all the hate towards chandelure is justified now.
>>26333057
Chandelure as a character pick was brilliant.
But holy fuck, they gave it an irritating moveset to fight against.Mewtwo/S.Mewtwo is way worse, though.
>>26281721
Seems Pikachu is the least talked about pokemon.
Looks like Pikachu Librestole his thunder
Can everyone agree this game would be better if charizard, SM2, M2, and chandelure were all removed from the cast?
>>26333352
Add replacement characters that are interesting, and remove one of the Pikachus too.
>>26333371
Scizor
Volcarona
NidokingJoltik
>>26333405
>Nidoking
Why not Nidoqueen so we can get a defensive mon instead of another offensive one?
>>26333421
>nidoqueen
>popular
>>26333503
It's not as popular as Nidoking, but it's not unpopular.Also the best choices are left fielders like Machamp and Chandelure
>>26333212
Mewtwo I can live with, but his moveset is too damn good and he needs a nerf somewhere. Shadow mewtwo shouldn't exist I agree, but if he absolutely had to he should be locked off online like what other fighters tend to do with boss characters. I would rather have alakazam over chandelure, with a very kenshi like movest. That would be fun to play and see.
>>26333371
I would rather remove normal pikachu and give his good moves to libre, along with the nuzzle grab. I don't even care for libre, I'm just burnt out on vanilla pikachu and the game needs a luchador character if hawlucha can't get in.
>Get matched up with this lucario around 5 times tonight, not too far apart from other matches.
>kept baiting him to use bonerush
>would ALWAYS use that 1 frame counter where he kicks up from the ground as a get up option
>C5
Why do people like these never learn, it genuinely makes me sad to beat them.
code
>>26334968I won't be able to play until tomorrow
>>26334454
>would ALWAYS use that 1 frame counter where he kicks up from the ground as a get up option
That's Extreme Speed
Lucario's actually a pretty good character but it's a horrible scrub bait too
>>26335721
>got paired twice against an a5 nip lucario who only ever did espeed, force palm and grab
>>26333352
I would be fine with Chandelure if they only fixed that fucking beam hitbox. Seriously, most of the zoners in this game have absolutely stupid hitboxes
>Chandelure's beam hits like 2 meters above the beam's range (same for Emolga's Shock Wave which isn't a playable character but w/e)
>Chandelure's Hex grabbing you practically by your toenails
>Gardevoir's burst attack hits you above her HEAD
>Braixen's fire golf ball attack hitting you when it splats on the ground and you're visibly outside the range
It triggers my Monster Hunter PTSD
>>26335741
This is basically the holy trinity of Lucario's moveset, so I'm not surprised. Force Palm's damage in particular is beyond retarded.
Aura Sphere can be pretty underrated too, as it let's Lucario win the zoning game against some of the characters, like Braixen.
>>26334454
The game just doesn't make learning an incentive when the rank can be gamed as of now, not to mention that some moves just become impossible to punish online like any other fighter. You'll probably make it all the way to s rank and still see fire punches, extreme speed, volt tackle, and barriers spammed endlessly.
Apparently Quagsire's Mud Bomb support counts as a projectile.
Playing Braixen on the code, might go to random later.
>>26332706
We dont want to deal with salty fags anymore, that's why. It's the same shit over and over
>>26333530
I dont understand why they made Machamp such a significant character in the trailers and promo here only to nerf him to the point that he'a bottom of the barrel.
I dunno if not being in the game is a better fate than being in but also jobbing so hard and becoming everybody's punching bag--completely ironic for a fighting type that supposedly mastered all martial arts.
>opponent disconnects when I'm about to win my rank down match
Well, I'm being a faggot and using S.Mewtwo anyway.
UK's Top Cut starting soon
http://serebii.net/pokken/pcs/stream.shtml
From what I saw yesterday the level of competition isn't very high compared to last week's Dreamhack, but it might still be worth watching for the odd decent player or twoWe're all rooting for Braixen, right?
>>26336359
He and Gengar were just stuck with the short end of the nerf/buff patch stick. Shortly before Chandelure was revealed they were considered the two best characters in the game.
>>26336950
People keep bringing this up like it somehow makes it better.
Knowing those two used to be top tier only makes it hurt worse that they're trash now.
Top 8 starting now
Also, saving the thread from the frogspam
>>26338611
Who are the characters?
>Pikachu actvating Burst on the last frame of full powered Stored Power
jesus christ
>>26338624
No idea, but first match was Pikachu vs Gardevoir
Next match is coming up soon
>>26336934
>We're all rooting for Braixen, right?
The Braixen from end of yesterday?
>>26338778
any braixen desu, but im not sure if any other got in
Blaziken vs Garde now
>>26336934
>We're all rooting for Braixen, right?
I know I am.
Damn, that was a good match.
>>26338811
I put the Braixen into Losers, Round 1.
May vs Ash next
This whole tournament has been poorly mananged, I've heard staff saying that Double Elimination is stupid and needlessly complicated, pools started two hours late.
Matches get delayed for ages so they can go on stream which is stupid because just put them on, don't wait 15 minutes.
Is Gardevoir still in the tournament
Im rooting for her all the way
Tournament's over now
Top 3
1. Pikachu
2. Blaziken
3. Suicune
Nice to see some underrated characters winning
>>26339439
There were LOTS of Gardevoir players (probably the most common character) but none of them managed to place higher than top 8
>>26339577
>Tournament's over now
No it's not, Grand Finals are now.
You know, with a major company hosting these tournaments I figured the stream quality wouldn't be ass. This game looks great but god damn the video here is awful
>>26339577
Why gardevoir has such a shit close up game when suicune can destroy either way
Her one flaw man
>Winners and Losers Finals aren't Best of 5
Bruh?
At least Magician's Red won it.
>>26339594
So who won? Couldn't watch the grand finals.
So is the Seattle tournament going to stream at all?
Should be going already at 62bitgaming but it's nothing.
>>26341335
Blaziken, from Losers Bracket, against Sceptile.
>>26341473
>Seattle removed from official site
???
>>26342793
>blue board for blue pokemon.
>>26342793
DELETE THIS
>>26342943
It was fine last time, but still, does anyone want to go for a couple of matches?
>>26342971
>Nobody
Eh. Well I tried. Maybe next time.
>>26343612
>>26342793
Zoner 1 and Zoner 2
>>26329625
>Gardevoir is not cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LmpG4Snrhs
>>26344843
>can't even move her fingers
now that's just not kawaii at all
>>26341473
there is an unofficial stream
twitch /msankey
Anyone up for matches in 10-20 minutes?
I might be a little rusty since I haven't played in a week.
What's a good skill point distribution for Machamp?
>>26332706
>>26332107
It racks my brain that people think the roster is shit.
What would you rather it have? It has all the marketing icons, normie mons, and popular pokemon just among pokemon fans, as well as a few oddball choices.
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>>26348075
Roster is too small in general. Not even every type is represented. There are duplicate mons too which makes the already small roster feel even smaller. Also, there's not enough oddballs compared to all the others.
>>26348075
Diglett when?
>>26348195
>Roster is too small in general.
Compared to the first entries in other fighting games it has almost 40% more then the average.
>>26348311
The first entries were on cartridges back in the 80s and 90s. Even fresh face fighters showing up on the market now either have a very diverse and interesting roster, or a lot to choose from, if not both. Those up and comers don't have history to work with like Nintendo and pokemon do either so them doing is very impressive.
The history they have means that 14 pokemon is practically a travesty, and the oddball choices do nothing to really invigorate gameplay or be much to look at.
>>26347518
People put things in points other than strength?
>fight someone and beat their main
>win
>they rematch and chose mewtwo
>lose
>no rematch
Every time
>>26348195
>Not even every type is represented
Type matchups don't mean much.
>>26348535
Gotta maintain that 50% Win rate.
>>26348461
Pokemon sorta disadvantaged itself here by already having a 722 character roster.
>>26348525
Gengar has to put at least 50% into Synergy.
Sitting on random in the code, unless you have a request for something else.
>>26348525
Yeah. According to some math attack and defense maxed is only roughly a 10% boost. Which is somewhat useful depending on your strategy or character, but not as universally helpful as boosting synergy.
>>26348623
I fought a Weavile that obviously dumped everything into attack.
The damage he was getting was fucking nuts.
>>26348623
Full attack gives you 110% damage
Full defense gives you 92% damage
Why is friendlies full of laggy Mewtwos?
I came back to this game for this bullshit?
>mash out burst on wake up
>get grabbed and lose
This fucking game. It wasn't like I got grabbed out of the starting frames. It literally didn't start at all, as if I got up and did nothing.
Yeah, I occasionally feel like the game eats my inputs, and it feels terrible.
>tfw you beat an A ranked player in a mirror match
>>26325812
Nah, zoner dittos are the worst, but melee ones are the best thing.
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>>26349932
Is someone already in there?
>>26348805
They're also in ranked, fun times.
Does this mean a sequel or DLC are all good?
>>26353140
It's selling pretty well so a sequel is almost certain at some point. I haven't heard anything about dlc though, even then it'll probably need to have more fighters, stages, and supports to keep the game fresh for a while. What would they use if they had support dlc?
