>Rowlet is going to be great guys!
>More weaknesses than Charizard.
More like Shitlet, but no seriously Chrizard needed 2 megas to save its skin. What will save Rowlet?
shaymin sky form.jpg
Typing doesn't immediately kill a Pokemon, be patient
>>26268277
Rowlet is not an event legendary with fantastic signature moves.
>>26268277
Shaymin is shit tho
Resists or is immune to some pretty crucial types and can't be spored/leech seeded. It's not the best typing in the world but it could be worse.
Also, at least it's only 2x rock weak and not 4x, Charizard was BL up until rocks were introduced. (When it immediately dropped to NU...)
>>26268280
starters have good stats and nowadays have signature moves, still no reason to count something out because of type alone
>>26268262
>4x ice weakness
Already dropped in favor of based Litten with superior resistances and less crippling weaknesses.
>>26268286
It doesn't beat Talonflame, but it definitely isn't shit tho.
>>26268277
>high base stat total
>stats are well distributed so it can take advanatage of them
>useful ability
>STAB seed flare and air slash which have high enough chances of secondary effects are doubled
I'm not saying Rowlet is completely doomed, but it wont have the luxury of a legendary, hopefully it will be fast and have some good offenses so it can at least be useful. If the dex is anything to go by, hopefully it'll be a swift physical attacker.
>>26268262
Rowlet could still have good stats (or stat distribution), move pool and ability. Flying is a great offensive STAB, and Grass gets a lot of good moves as well. It might even get a Mega.
It's just way too early to tell at this point.
>type is the only thing that matters
>Rowlet can attack without making a sound! It flies silently through the skies, drawing near to its opponent without being noticed, and then lashing out with powerful kicks. It can also attack from a distance using the razor-sharp leaves that form part of its feathers.
>lashing out with powerful kicks
I'm honestly hoping for a physical Grass/Flying 'mon here, even if
>attack from a distance using the razor-sharp leaves that form part of its feathers
is suggesting it's special.
>>26268403
Which physical grass and flying moves don't completely suck?
>>26268403
Prepare for a mixed attacker, boi
>>26268363
>implying megas are returning
>>26268280
>Leafage
>not fantastic
>>26268403
I hope he get Gale Wings.
>>26268420
power whip
seed bomb
brave bird
>>26268262
It's too early to make judgments. Remember Talonflame?
>>26268420
Grass: Leaf Blade, Petal Blizzard, Wood Hammer, maybe Seed Bomb
Flying: Acrobatics, Brave Bird, Fly, Sky Drop (for 2s), maybe Aerial Ace
>>26268443
>BB
Completely forgot about that.
>>26268420
Flying: Brave Bird, Acrobatics,Drill Peck
Grass: Seed Bomb, Leaf Blade, Wood Hammer, Power Whip
I can safely say I can at least expect Leaf Blade from it
>>26268451
Fly is definitely "please rape my face bait look look this is exactly what I'm doing just do this thing and you'll beat me, I'm giving it to you" tier
Give it Gale Wings and it's OU.
>>26268451
Hopefully GF finally makes a flying type Flamethrower or Surf.
>>26268420
Drill Peck, Brave Owl, Acrobatics, Bullet Seed/Seed Bomb, Leaf Blade, Wood Hammer
Shit ability/bad typing/bad movepool is something that could happen with Gamefreak, but a good hidden ability or really nice signature move could make up for the typing.
No saving him if he has retarded awful stat distribution though.
Its not gonna be a pure Flying / Grass to me. Did Torchic become a flying chiken? Its gonna lose that flying to me and became a more badass hawlucha.
>>26268568
Considering it starts with grass/flying, its a safe bet it'll stay that way. If it changes I would be pleasantly surprised, but odds don't feel like they'd be in that favour.
Its primary is Grass. That flying could change. Making it a grass version of talonflame would be reductive. Talonflame is cool, but far away from the cool looks of a tipical final starter evo. Yeah, this is just my imagination, but a flying grass bird would be "too common" for a starter. I hope you know what i mean.
>>26268262
Grass/Flying is actually a good offensive typing, so as long as they don't go full retard and make it slow and defensive then it could be decent.
>>26268666
How would Grass/Flying be "too common" when there's only 5 other Grass/Flying Pokemon in existence, one of which is an alt forme?
If Popplio is faster than it, Rowlet is doomed to be the worst of the three
>>26268690
>tfw they will give it HP and defenses and make it a "bulky" grass type
>>26268678
Except steel resist it. I'm probably thr only person hoping for tinted lense but I think it would be glorious.
>>26268690
Well by its description it sounds like its HA will be Swift Swim and I hope that this is the case
>>26268262
Unlike Charizard, grass/flying is a pretty good offensive typing both physical or special. The owl being a bird of prey makes it a great candidate for brave bird and leaf blade is a great move as well. The two of them together give pretty damn good coverage as well. I'm hoping for a high attack stat myself but a special set would probably have a better movepool.
>>26268726
Given that kicking was prominent in its description I also have high hopes for at least a few decent Fighting-type moves in its movepool. Tinted Lens would also be fantastic, and actually has precedent with Noctowl having it.
>>26268769
inb4 just mega kick
I have a good feeling this gen GF will tweak the type weaknesses to balance the game rather than just adding a stopgap type like Fairy. No way they'll make the grass starter that weak.
Like i replied in another thread, theese are the final solutions to me:
Water/Fairy-Psycho - Fire/Fight - Grass/Dark
Water/Fight - Fire/Dark - Grass/Psychic
Water/Dark - Fire/Ghost - Grass /Fight
Its not gonna remain a flying type. That would be that he will need a 4x weakness to the fire starter, but i don't think its gonna be Fire/Rock neither Fire/Electric nor Fire/Ice.
>>26268403
Razor leaf is physical though.
>>26268786
>Flying will get buffs while Grass gets nothing
Please no.
>>26268312
>4x ice weakness
>mattering in game
>mattering in any context
Someone stop this 4x = worthless meme
That would mean*
gonna have 97 speed relegating it to absolute garbage.
>>26268814
Well, it made Chesnaught worthless, so it's not wrong.
>>26268421
>attacking with a physical object will probably be special based.
Like thats the most blatant physical sounding move I've heard. Unless your assuming special = ranged. Which is dumb
>>26268814
>Chesnaught
>Charizard pre-Mega
>every Bug/Flying type
>>26268797
Those patterns make absolutely no sense. Why would the fire starter need a 4x SE on the grass starter? And how does fire/rock and fire/electric give it a 4x SE against grass/flying. Ice is the only thing that is 4x SE against it. Electric wouldn't even be SE at all because grass resists it.
>>26268837
Chesnaught isn't useless by any means and the only thing holding him back in OU is Talonflame, one pokemon that still gets completely fucked by Stealth Rocks.
His point was that there are plenty of pokemon with 4x weaknesses that are strong as fuck in OU like Landorus, Heatran, Dragonite, and Garchomp. 4x doesn't mean a pokemon is bad, it means they have counters, there is no difference if Heatran gets hit by a Close Combat from Infernape and gets 1 shot or if he gets hit by a Garchomps Earthquake, both are equally devastating.
This confirm the theory even better. Pattern have ever been there. Looks at delphox, ninja, chestnaught.
Guys, guys!Its hidden abillity is Gale Wings
>>26268919
We can dream anon.
>>26268262
but dude think of it
4* grass resist
like
because grass is such a great offensive type and all
this is sure to break the meta by stopping all those grass type sweepers.
>>26268769
Well I also think maybe it's Final evolution will have something that would make tinted lense make sense.
If it does get this ability it has hope, as long as it's a offensive Pokemon.
>>26268919
inb4Keen Eye:^)
>>26268943
>grass
>great offensive
Wait, what?
>>26268981
He's being sarcastic.
>>26268812
Grass is meant to be shit though
>>26268455how considering it came out last gen
>>26268992
Brave Bird is gen 4, bro, and even before Talonflame, there was already birdspam.
>>26268856
>mega charizard
>heatran
>garchomp
>landorus and landorus-t
>mega salamence
>skymin
>rayquaza
>mega rayquaza
>hoopa-unbound
>fuck you
He gets a signature move:
Nothin' personnel
Grass
9999 Power
Cannot miss
Rowlett silently flies behind opponent and slits their throat with a razor sharp leaf.
>>26268896
If you have 600 bst and an op ability maybe you can have a 4x weakness without being shit.
>>26269102
>mega rayquaza
>4x weakness
Whos the retard now?
>>26269118
How does 600 BST and Flash Fire make Heatran's 4x weakness any different? Chesnaught has a niche in OU as a counter to Conkeldurr, Keldeo, and Landorus-T because he can safely apply Leech Seed on their switch and stall at least one turn with spiky shield and let you switch into a seeded opponent on your counter. If you have rocks, they can't switch into Talonflame to counter it. Having 600 BST doesn't make a pokemon inherently better, many of them have inflated stats they will never use like Dragonite's special attack outside of rain.
>>26269230
He has 4x ice weakness if you swap in Primal Groudon or Kyogre, retard.
>>26268262
They had better not stop the water starter from using ice beam just to make it seem like this thing is not terrible.
>>26268443
>>26268451
>>26268456
>>26268495
>no one mentioning Horn Leech
Granted, an owl with actual horns would look retarded.But https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_owl
>>26270226
Well, the entire reason we weren't mentioning Horn Leech was because Rowlet doesn't have antlers or horns.I agree that Rowlet becoming a horned owl and learning Horn Leech would be cool.
>>26270226
Well to be fair as well, Horn Leech is a pretty rare move so its kind of easily looked over
>>26268304
starters nowadays have mediocre to decent stats that are only saved by good abilities
>>26268295
Even then, its weaknesses outweigh its resists. 4x weak to ice, 2x weak to flying with smogon memebird around, probably not going to have a good spread/movepool/ability
>>26268262
>pve story mode
>weakness mattering
the fuck? nobody will use a starter competitively before the end game and the hidden ability discovery (+ mega for most usable starters).
fire and ice are typically fucking irelevant type in the wild.
>>26268451
>>26268456
None of those grass moves would fit Rowlet. Maybe seed bomb and leaf blade would, but that's stretching it.
Hopefully it will get brave bird, since thats the only good physical flying move that doesnt get you raped or sacrifice an item
>>26268476
>>26268919
when will this meme die
>>26268568
>implying bulbasaur changed its type as it evolved
>>26268678
how is it a good offensive type?
>>26271321
>Rowlet can attack without making a sound! It flies silently through the skies, drawing near to its opponent without being noticed, and then lashing out with powerful kicks. It can also attack from a distance using the razor-sharp leaves that form part of its feathers.
>It can also attack from a distance using the razor-sharp leaves that form part of its feathers
Leaf Blade and Petal Blizzard both make sense for Rowlet to learn.
>>26268262
GALE
WINGS
>>26271400
even if it did get gale wings, it would still get raped by smogonbird. It would need a decent attack stat and speed >126 to even try
What if it get compound eyes with sleep powder/hypnosis. 91% accuracy hurricane would be good too.
Shame it doesn't matter ingame but going to pick him anyway.
>>26271450
That doesn't mean anything. You are not supost to face talonflame 1x1 with an grass type.
>>26268403
Id rather it be a special talon flame with hurricane and leaf storm spam
Make a spread that would make Rowlet viable with the ability Overgrow
>>26271603
Actually wtf am i saying i dont even like the owl
>>26271372
>how is it a good offensive type?
Only 31 Pokémon in the game resist the combination (35 including Megas). It could definitely be worse.
>yfw rowlet evolves into pic related
>>26268856
Charizard Y is still x4 to rocks
>>26268992
>BB is a gen 6 move
>>26268992
>how could you completely forget about Ion Deluge, Grassy Terrain, and Rototiller when it came out last gen?!
>>26271690
>yfw when rowlet evolves into pic related when male
>>26271372
Flying itself is one of the best offensive typings in the game, only being resisted by Electric, Rock, and Steel (the two former of which you almost never see in competitive aside from a select few).
Grass is also a really good offensive typing considering it can hit Water and Ground super effectively, two of the most common typings in the game, plus it can cover Rock and Electric types that Flying moves can't.
If you give Rowlet some kind of Fighting or Fire coverage (like Focus Blast or HP Fire if it's a special attacker) for Steel types, it's pretty much set with one more open slot for Roost or a boosting move.
As long as Rowlet's final evo gets enough speed to be able to remain in the high speed tiers and with an at least useful Hidden Abilily, it should at least be able to hit UU
>>26271902
Nice. What would be a good spread and movepool for it?
>>26271957
I'd go for something like
>70
>110
>60
>85
>90
>115
So basically a physical Sceptile that sacrifices a bit of speed for some more attack. Give it Tinted Lens as its HA and decent STAB moves like Brave Bird and Leaf Blade and it's all set.
>>26271675
Huh. That's actually better than I realized. If it gets a Fighting type move based on the description of talon kicks, it's actually not too bad at all.
ALSO has anyone noticed that recent Grass starters have been less...grassy? Very few of them learn powders and the various disruptive Grass moves.
>>26272032
>>26272066
That's pretty good. So a set of Brave Bird (no doubt it will get that), grass move, fighting move, and roost would bear well for Rowlet.
What would be some fighting moves Rowlet would get? Wake up slap and double kick seem like they're an option. Close combat seems like a bit of a stretch, but if basedraptor can get it, nothing surprises me
>>26272615
Remember that new moves will be a thing, so we could get some good stuff
50% chance of attacking twice in a row
>>26268262
It will lose flying and gain another type during its third form.
>>26268262
>not playing hard mode
Rowlett
Shitmons
No Megas
Battle style "Set"
No Exp Share
Minimal grinding
>>26268262
Gamefreak has basically accepted that Grass is the official hard mode. Except Bulbasaur. Even though Sceptile, Torterra, and Chesnaught are still good to use, they aren't as helpful as the other options.
>>26268262
Its a good offensive type. You just have to watch out for steel types.
>>26274160
It doesnt even have to worry about that if it's lucky enough to get CC like Raptor. Or if it's special based, it can always go fro HP Fire
