Anti-Zodiac on suicide watch
>>26234676
Reminder that cats are specifically not tigers in the Zodiac and foxes are not dogs
>>26234741
>>26234676
The whole fucking lore behind the zodiac is that cats aren't a part of it because the rat fucked them over.
>dog
>is actually a fox
>mouse
>is actually an echidna and evolves into a badger, not mouse like at all
>for dragon you have to use its final form and not its base form like all the others
just stop this embarrassment, you are already wrong
also its not a tiger its a cat, and the cat is clearly excluded from the zodiac, it lost to the rat
>>26234676
Don't be a dimwit
>>26234935
>>is actually an echidna and evolves into a badger, not mouse like at all
Pokedex: Mouse Pokemon
>>26234977
Charmander: the lizard pokemon.
>>26234676
cyndaquil isn't a rat
and fennekin is simply not a dog
>>26235072
Good thing you have Charizard in the picture, not Charmander
Hey, at least you tried, time to kill yourself
>>26234935
>Fire mouse Pokemon
Also charmander is not a Dragon. Charizard is. This will also happen with a Litten. It will become a Tiger. Fennekin is a fox cause there is growlithe already and GF played with theme, but starter is still a canine.
>>26235146
Cyndaquil, the Mouse Pokemon
>>26234977
>Chimchar
>Pokedex: Chimp pokemon (not monkey)
>Kennekin
>Pokedex: Fox pokemon (not dog)
>BUT BUT THOSE POKEDEX SPECIES DONT SUPPORT MY THEORY SO I WONT USE THEM
fuck off
>>26235165
>B-but it doesn't count because I said so!!
>>26234676
Charizard is not a dragon hurr
>>26235249
>Chimps are not monkeys
Being STILL this denial.
>Charizard is the flame pokemon
>but its totally a dragon!
>its not dragon type
>BUT ITS A DRAGON
>Doesnt even look like a dragon
>ITS A WESTERN DRAGON FUCK YOU IF I AM MIXING UP ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CULTURAL REPRESENTATIONS FOR MY BULLSHIT THEORY
lol
>>26234780
stay mad
>>26235165
Charizard: The Flame Pokemon
Still not a dragon.
>>26235450
Chimps are not monkeys, they are great apes just like humans
>>26235197
Yeah, that's real fucking convenient. It's not like you can hold the rest of the starters to the same standards though, cuz typhlosion is distinctly not even close to a rat.
Also, the entire fennekin line are not dogs. Theory proven false.
Kill yourself.
>>26235454
>What is Charizardite X
>Implying X isn't the superior megaevolution
>>26234967
What about camerupt
>>26234676
>the actual cat in the Chinese zodiac was left out in the lore
nice stretch pham
Even though cyndaquil and Fennekin doesn't fit, 5/7 where there's only 12 possibilities isn't bad
>>26235633
>charizard got a dragon type mega almost 20 years after its creation
>but clearly they planed it all along to fit in with the Chinese zodiac
>>26235912
>CHARIZARD IS NOT A DRAGON!
Holy shit, anti-Zodiacfags are really desperate
>>26235912
You're retarded just like all anti-zodiacfags.
>>26234676
Only 12 Gens confirmed?PANIC
>>26234741
Reminder that these are loose design inspirations that can be altered to fit whatever bill Gamefreak wants, we're not trying to summon something that specifically needs 12 fire starters matching the zodiac.
>>26234935
Foxes and dogs are part of the canine family.
Cats and tigers are closely related. Same with lions.
The Cyndaquil family do all resemble rats.
Unless Owls or their ancestors have been around since the dinosaur age, that deconfirms the apparent theme for Grass-types, though.
>>26234676
Why did you use every base form EXCEPT for Charmander? If you included Charizard you should have included the final evos for all of them (excluding Litten of course since we don't know its final evo).
>>26235954
>>26235987
so why do you have to use charizard, a 3rd stage evolution, when you use the base forms for all other starters?
why dont you use all 3rd stage or all base stage?
its it because your bullshit theory falls apart if you dont cherry pick certain stages?
>>26235523
It is a fire-breathing lizard with wings, you stupid fuck. What else would that possibly be called?IT'S A FUCKIN DRAGON.
>>26236097
owls are birds
birds are dinosaurs
Zodiac theory is false, you should all kill yourselves, and here's why:
Whether fully evolved, or unevolved, the zodiac spots don't match up.
>monkey, rooster, pig, mouse
Okay, fine.
>dog
Fennekin is a fox
>dragon
Charmander is a lizard
>tiger
Litten is just a cat, deliberately excluded from the zodiac in mythology
Then on the flip side
>Monkey, rooster, pig, dragon
Charozard is a little weird, but sure I'll buy that
>Dog
Still a fucking fox
>tiger
TBD (in my opinion, though, a bobcat)
>mouse
Hahahahaha fuck no
And if you can't hold the starters to the same standards as eachother, (ie; having charozard fully evolved but not anyone else), then your entire argument falls apart right there
So fuck you all, zodiac is a lie, you should all kill yourselves.
>>26236231
>Charmander is a lizard
In the picture there's no Charmander, kill yourself
>>26236170
And Cyndaquil is a small mammal with a long snout and quills on its back. What else would that possible be called?IT'S A FUCKIN ECHIDNA.
>>26236097
>canine
You mean CANID. Foxes are vulpines.
>>26236170
dragons dont have wings you stupid fuck
they are long serpents with deer like horns
>>26236231
>>mouse
>Hahahahaha fuck no
"Cyndaquil, the Mouse Pokemon"
>>26236260
How about you learn to read instead, retard?
>And if you can't hold the starters to the same standards as eachother, (ie; having charozard fully evolved but not anyone else), then your entire argument falls apart right there
>>26235987
Underrage and reported.
Fucking kill yourself, faggot.
>>26235165
>>Pokedex says that only Cyndaquil is a mouse
>The zodiac theory only works with starters, don't count Typhlosion!
>>The only dragon is Charizard
>The zodiac theory only applies to fully evolved Pokémon, don't count Charmander!
>>26236272
Nobody cares about taxonomical categories invented 1000 years after the Chinese language
in Chinese, Fox and Dog are basically the same word, and foxes and dogs look the same, with the most well known dog coming from Asia being called "fox dog"
>>26236331
>The zodiac theory only works with starters
>The zodiac theory only applies to fully evolved Pokémon
You are literally making up stuff here because nobody ever said any of those things
GUESS THIS IS TOTALLY A RAT
DENIAL FAGS HAVE JUST NEVER SEEN A RAT IN THEIR LIFE
>>26236322
>if you can't hold the starters to the same standards as eachother, then your entire argument falls apart right there
How so? I don't think so Timmy
You all realize Litten could easily evolve into a tiger right? Look at a few of the other domestic cat Pokemon like Meowth or Purrloin, Meowth is a Siamese cat that evolves into a mountain lion and Purrloin is a black cat that evolves into a leopard. They aren't against having domestic cat based Pokemon evolve into big cats.
>>26236311
Did you not fucking read my post
I said typhlosion was not a mouse.
Learn to read you trite fucking yokel
>>26236360
>Fox and Dog are basically the same word
So do a lot of words. That's how Chinese works.
>and foxes and dogs look the same
They don't.
Where is it ever stated that the rule is only the first?
>Char(Dragon) line is stage 3
>Cyndaquil(Rat) is stage 1
>Torchic(Chicken) line is all 3 stages
>Chimchar(Monkey) line is stage 2 and 3
>Tepig(Pig) line is all 3 stages
>Fennekin(Dog) line is all 3 stages as foxes belong to the canine family with dogs
>Litten will probably become a Tiger at some point
Is it that fucking hard?
>>26236322
Talk about moving the goalposts, lmao
anti-zodiacfags are so triggered after 7 generations in a row getting blown the fuck out that they started making new rules out of nowhere
>>26236465
>How so? I don't think so Timmy
Because if you don't hold your argument to strict standards then it's not falsifiable, because you can just move the goalposts to where you want to fit your argument.
>>26236506
>basic logic
>new rules
>>26234676
>implying cats are tigers
>>26236465
Because there are numerous inconsistencies, you dumb fuck.
Like how for every stage except cyndaquil the line is based off of a badger?
And need I say once more, fennekin is not a fucking dog, and not a fucking canine
>>26236360
>with the most well known dog coming from Asia being called "fox dog"
And the most well known fish from Asia is called a "cat fish", but a cat is not a fish.
>>26236555
>my arbitrary rules out of nowhere are canon because I say so
>>26234780
Isn't this literally what you zodiacautists are doing?
Keep trying though.
>>26236494
>foxes
>canine
Are you fucking daft?
>>26236573
muh cyndaquil is not what the game says it is, it is something different
>>26236494
>this is a rat
>>26236437
Clearly
>>26236655
Then Charizard is not a dragon, it is a flame.
>b-but charizard looks like a dragon so it's a dragon
And Cyndaquil looks like an echidna, not a mouse, so it's an echidna, not a mouse.
>>26236604
>logic
>arbitrary rules out of nowhere
Hey, another thing, if there's this grand scheme of the zodiac behind the fire types, how come the other starters don't have themes?
Grass types could've been reptiles, but chespin stopped that trend, and water is all over the fucking place with designs
>>26236767
>this kitchen is so tidy
>no, it's not tidy, it's red
>w-what? it can be both tidy and red
>no, it's red, you lost, it can only be one thing
>Typhlosion doesn't count!
>No, charmander doesn't count!
Make up your fucking minds. You can't pick and choose.
>>26234676
But cats specifically are not part of the zodiac. That's the whole point
>>26236922
>cyndaquil
>perfect
>fennekin
>passable
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with your thinking
>>26236996
Typhlosion looks like a rat
>>26237041
No he doesn't. Kill yourself.
>>26237036
Open your Pokedex, go over to Cyndaquil, and read what it says
Fox and Dogs, close enough, specially considering the Chinese pictogram is basically the same thing, and they look the same
>>26237075
Typhlosion looks nothing like a badger, what the fuck are you on?
>>26237075
>he
furfag detected
>mfw a Zodiac Hawaii fag,
It feels so good to always be right.
>Legends relating to the order of the Chinese zodiac often include stories as to why the cat was not included among the twelve. Because the Rat tricked the cat into missing the banquet with the Jade Emperor, the cat was not included and wasn't aware that the banquet was going on and was not given a year, thus began the antipathy between cats and Rats.
>Hurr durr. Tigers and cats are the same thing so it still counts
>>26237156
It's a tiger cub not a cat
>>26237079
open your pokedex, go over to charizard, and read what it says
>>26236711
heIIo rato
I wish I could find pictures of it, but near the mid 2000s there was a "Year of the Mouse/Rat" promotion at the Pokemon Centers in Japan. It had images of Pikachu, Rattata, Sandshrew and yes even Cyndaquil on the merch.
>>26234676
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People are really stupid. Its obviously based on the zodiac. Who fucking cares if it's not the exact same species? Humans are monkeys. Wolves are dogs. Tigers/Lions are cats. Boars are pigs and so on. They may be different species but they have similar DNA and all that crap. Get fucking over it. You don't make Gamefreak's decisions.
>>26237433
ANTI-ZODIACFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
Look at this majestic horse.
>>26234741
>Among their findings is the fact the common domestic house cat shares about 95.6% of its DNA with tigers, from which they diverged on the evolutionary tree about 10.8 million years ago.
>Your Cat is 95% Tiger
Stay bitter
![Ocelot[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aeWEhJo.jpg "Ocelot[1].jpg")
Doesn't matter what happens, these weird patternfags willl contort the world to suit their mental disorders.
>Hypothetical situation: Litten evolves into a flaming ocelot pokemon or something
>they'll just shout LOOK IT HAS STRIPES IT'S A TIGER
I mean, they already try to pretend a porcupine is field mouse.
>>26238036
That 4.4% is fucking huge though, with your logic you could say a human is 92% mouse.
>>26238267
The only people with mental disorders here are you anti-zodiacfags. Everyone sane knows that the zodiac pattern is real.
>Shrew into badger = mouse
>Fennec fox = dog
Ok
>>26236097
I think the theme has been an ordinary animal into an prehistoric animal tho. Like a turtle into a turtle/anklyosaurus
>>26234676
They're probably never making another fire type horse. Also, it seems unlikely that they would do a fire snake starter when they already have a grass snake starter.
>>26236097
Chespin though?
>>26238036
You are 99% Nigger, then.
How has everyone forgot about ekans for snake?
>>26238619
We do have 2 fire type monkeys. It's boring, but I doubt Game Freak cares too much.
>>26234676
>dog
>mouse
>dragon
>tiger
>>26238727
Shitten lovers are confirmed for /pol/ edgelords stay mad breda
>>26234741
>implying Litten won't evolve into a fire dark tiger
Zodiacfags are filth.
>>26238889
Litten could evolve into a Ghost/Omelette type caribou, and you'd still swear up and down it was a Tiger.
>>26236231
Litten has tiger stripes anon
>>26238776
Ekans wasn't a starter last time I checked
>>26234741
Dude, Litten has stripes, and it's nearly got inverse tiger colors (like Blitzle and its zebra coloring). It's gonna evolve into a tiger. A house cat final evo isn't cool enough for a starter.
I've been an anti-zodiac for the longest, but I'm now convinced.
it's gonna be absolutely epic when litten gets a tiger final evolution
>>26235610
>not close to a rat
>>26239042
What about bobcats?
They have stripes on their legs, and on their forehead, but also spots on their backs. Your argument means nothing.
>>26239243
>murr pokemon can't evolve into other species hurr
Why are anti-zodiacfags so fucking stupid?
>>26234676
Oh man do you retards and your theory have it easy this gen.
>If it's a tiger it's a tiger.
>If it's a cat, cats are not in the zodiac but in the story so you can play it off
>>26239487
They won't even have to play it off.
>It's a big cat! That's LIKE a tiger! ZODIAC CONFIRMED!
>>26239487
What's wrong anon? Did you want a bear or something and desperately fought against the Zodiacfags to justify it, only to get blown the fuck out by a feline?
BADGERS AND ECHIDNA AREN'T MOUSES
FOXES AND FENNECS AREN'T DOGS
LEARN YOUR BIOLOGY M8S
>>26236097
>Cats and tigers are closely related.
Yes, but Chinese zodiacs lore says that a cat was considered but couldnt reach a place in the zodiac
>>26240763
>instead of cool unique starters like water and grass get, Fire is stuck with boring and lame every time
T-thanks Zodiac.
>>26241764
But what if Litten becomes a tiger in his final evo?
>>26235165
It's not a pattern if they're not all at the same stage so you either have a badger under mouse or a lizard under dragon so it's wrong either way
>>26236494
It's not a pattern if it's not consistant
They're either all final stage or all first stage, you can't mix and match because that's not a pattern
So you're either wrong about Typhlosion or Charmander
>>26236204
>implying owls are birds
>>26241204
Moron.
They don't need to be literally mouses or dogs. They just have to be a mouse or dog IN SPIRIT. Cyndaquil is a mouse in spirit, and Fennekin is a dog in spirit.
Once again, anti-zodiacfags lose.
>>26242984
>implying owls aren't flying rocks
>>26236360
>Fox and Dog are basically the same word
Dog = 犬
Fox = 狐
Why do you lie on the internet?
>>26234676
>Snivy not on snake
Why?
>>26242959
It is a consistent pattern. All the fire starters have at least one stage that matches the zodiac.
>>26243019
>They just have to be a mouse or dog IN SPIRIT
Zodiacfags so desperate they need to make shit up
I could understand about Cyndaquil because "fire mouse" (even though you suck at biology because when I was 11 I already knew it was an echidna) but Fennekin has absolutely nothing to do with dogs
Point me something anything "dog" about Fennekin
It's not even a fox like people are saying, it's a fennec
>>26234967
Where did you get that goat?
>>26243353
It's canine, so it's close enough to fit the zodiac.
>>26238036
if that's the case then just put red in the monkey spot
>>26243380
Dunno
>>26243385
no it's not
a dog and a fox are two different things
in terms of both biology and lore
>>26234676
what diditmean?
>>26243615
Still close enough to fit, and that's what matters. Deal with it anti-zodiacfag.
>>26234676
nah senpai
>>26243615
>no it's not
Why, because you don't like it?
Because it's too much of a stretch to think that they use the zodiac merely as a vague inspiration? Because if it's not your mom's *insert animal* with some fire on it it doesn't count?
so uh how does rowlet fit into your grass patterns zodiacfriends
>>26243786
>>26243694
It's because it's a pattern, if it doesn't follow then it isn't
If you need to justify with vague explanations then it's clearly unrelated
If GF really wanted to make a dog, they would make a dog, why even bother making a fennec/fox?
>>26244037
The pattern is that its inspired by the Chinese zodiac. Why do you assume it has to be 1:1 exact?
>>26244037
>IT HAS TO BE PERFECTLY ACCURATE OR I WILL DENY IT LIKE A TOTAL DENIALFAG
First of all, be less childish.
Second, there's no reason for GF to be this restricted to the zodiac. Why aren't they allowed to take creative liberty and use their imagination when it comes to filling the zodiac out?
Third, you're simply plain wrong.
>>26244086
>Why do you assume it has to be 1:1 exact?
Because that's a pattern, you moron. You can't make shit up if you are following a pattern
>>26244256
>pattern is that they're the zodiac
>they don't have to be restricted to the zodiac
>>26234807
Yeah, reminder that there could also be a representation of the cat.
>>26234676
>fennec fox
>dog
>>26244280
A pattern inspired by the Zodiac is still a pattern, and all of the seven fire starters are inspired by the Zodiac. It is objectively a pattern no matter how you look at it.
>>26234676
fox != dog
anteater != mouse
house cat != tiger
>>26234967
Did you literally pull that goat out of your ass or something?
>>26235450
chimps aren't monkeys
owls aren't birds.
>>26244498
It isn't a pattern
Water-type don't follow a pattern, Grass-type either
Why only Fire follow?
And it's not a pattern since they aren't be inspired
You guys are really forcing with this bs
At best it's a coincidence we have a rooster, a pig and a monkey
Then you guys include a western dragon, weird but acceptable
But now big problem, a fennec and a badger? Gee I think we fuck up? No, we can't accept we are wrong! I know, let's make up some bizarre logic to justify our choice
I personally think it would be cool this zodiac theory but in reality it doesn't has any substance on it
>>26244384
a fox belong in the Canidae.
>>26244840
>humans are monkeys
Also how do you justify an echidna and a badger? Stop ignoring this
>>26244813
It has more substance than your petty claim that it doesn't exist.
>>26244955
>say he has no claim
>doesn't provide claim himself
>>26244912
Well if there was a human pokemon it'll fall under monkey
>>26244384
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennec_fox
"Family: Canidae"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae
The biological family Canidae /ˈkænᵻdiː/ [2] is a lineage of carnivorans that includes domestic ____dogs_____, wolves, foxes, jackals, dingoes, and many other extant and extinct dog-like mammals. A member of this family is called a canid.
>>26245055
GEE I WONDER
>>26244655
>anteater != mouse
Who said Cyndaquil is an anteater?
>>26244912
>monkey
>humans
Humans are close related to apes
as for cyndaquil it's a shrew/echidna
so it looks like a rodent. like rats.
Now thyplosion indeed looks like a honey badger/weasel
>>26245245
bulbapedia say it resemble as echidna. as wel a shrew.
>using bulbapedia as facts.
nice thread upvoted
>>26245388
>implying cyndaquil looks like echidna and not a hedgehog and a shrew
>>26243380
>>26244710
newfags detected
>>26236711
Hello Rato.
THIS IS NOT SPAM FUCKING 4CHAN
It's LITERALLY a black/orange striped baby feline. What do you think a baby tiger would look like? A sheep?
>>26245864
Well, a sheep pokemon evolves into an aborted fetus mutant kangaroo so anything's possible.
>>26245514
>tfw it will never be real
not fair
>>26245511
>implying cyndaquil looks like echidna, a hedgehog or a shrew
>>26234676
>fox =/= dog
>echidna =/= mouse
>Implying it's not just a bunch of idiots grasping at straws.
>Implying your theory hasn't fallen apart even from 1st gen.
>>26238036
Dude, humans share 67% of our DNA with the banana.
>>26234676
You do know that Charizard doesn't conform with the Asian idea associated with the Year of the Dragon, right? It's "Dragon," not "Ryuu."
>>26234676
How is a fox a dog all of a sudden? How is a porcupine a mouse? How is a cat a tiger?
