So we can finally all agree that the Zodiac pattern for fire starters is real, right?
>>26231488
Only literal retards denies that the Zodiac pattern is real anyway, and the opinions of literal retards should always be discarded.
>>26231488
Fennekin is a fucking fox sorry to burst your bubble
>>26231551
this desu
They'll probably keep denying until gen 12 when it's LITERALLY undeniable
>>26231702
Fox = Dog.
Get fucked anti-zodiacfag.
>>26231488
we could have two generations ago
>implying a cat who's only distinctive features are the red stripes on his body counts as a tiger
The deniers will continue to deny even when we get to the 12th gen and get another fire horse, OP. It's not worth caring about their opinion.
It's always been real, it's just that it is a general pattern without too many strings attached because they can choose to do whatever they want, while autistic people on this autistic board think that they've to respect the pattern strictly to make one.
>>26231702
still canine
the "pig" category is commonly labelled as boar and sheep/goat are interchangable
i have more issue with an echidna/porcupine being under the rat sign desu
>>26231861
Cyndaquil don't have to be a literal rat, it just has to be a rat in spirit, which, indeed, Cyndaquil is. So it fits perfectly into the Zodiac.
>>26231861
>still canine
Too bad the zodiac sign is specifically a dog and not a canine.
Just fuck off with this already. It's not real, it never has been real, and it never will be real.
>>26231861
>cyndaquil
>echidna/porcupine
>literally the fire mouse pokémon
Anon, get some sleep.
>>26231702
I don't know why people always bring up this one when a badger not being a mouse is a bigger fuck up
>>26231958
Since foxes are basically dogs, it still fits.
The math formula is proven broken now at least.
Funny it worked for six generations.
>>26232006
Zodiacbros has already disproved the belief that Cyndaquil isn't a rat, now fuck off.
>>26231488
this is kind of overreaching
>>26231967
Typhlosion is a badger
and if you, for what ever reason, don't count final stages than Charmander isn't a dragon either
>>26232006
Cyndaquil is a mouse tho. Check it's Pokédex faggot.
>>26231918
This desu senpai
>>26232010
>Since foxes are basically dogs
Except they're not. They're foxes. There's a reason they're called different things, it's because they're different things. If Litten turns out to be a lion, you'll probably be saying "lions are basically tigers" right?
>>26232052
with what? him being labeled as the Mouse pokemon? because I'm pretty sure Blastoise isn't a shellfish
>>26232070
How? It's a literal cat, how is that overreaching?
>>26232178
It's a cat, not a tiger
>>26231967
>blastoise
>turtle
>literally the shellfish pokémon
>>26232178
Because it's year of the tiger, not year of the cat. In order for it to work, it has to be a tiger and only a tiger.
>>26231488
>fox = dog
>salamander = dragon
>cat = tiger
You're an idiot, OP.
>>26232132
Nobody ever said the dog fire starter had to be a literal dog. A fox is a perfectly valid alternative for the Zodiac pattern since they're both canines.
>>26232178
Isn't part of the story that the cat literally did not get into the Zodiac, or was Fruits Basket just making shit up.
>>26232178
Because the cat, specifically, is not part of the zodiac. It is part of the zodiac lore that the cat didn't make it in. If it evolves into a tiger then you have something, otherwise fuck off.
>>26231488
also, owl confirmed for Ornimegalonyx final evolution
>Implying Litten doesn't keep the pattern
The cat is usually considered the unofficial 13th animal due to the folktale the zodiac is based on.
>>26232219
Even if it's not a tiger in the end, it fits the zodiac still. Deal with it.
>>26232277
No one has ever said the Zodiac pattern was real either. It's something the fans have come up with that Gamefreak has never ever commented upon. There's no reason to assume the Fox "counts" as a Dog because there's no reason to assume there's some Dog position anything ever has to fit into.
>>26231488
CANCER
>>26231488
tiger
>>26231488
any opinions coming from someone who said fox = dog should be disregarded automatically, unless you're a stupid faggot of course
>>26231488
>Implying Felids are Pantherines
>Implying Vulpines are Lupines
>>26232264
this OP
zodiacfags need to let it go and stop forcing it
>>26232257
>implying it isn't
>>26232277
>Nobody ever said the dog fire starter had to be a literal dog
That's because you fags are desperate for your shitty headcanon to be real.
>A fox is a perfectly valid alternative for the Zodiac pattern since they're both canines
Again, no. The zodiac sign is for a dog. Not a fox, not a wolf, not a coyote, not a jackal. A dog. That's it.
>>26232386
but by not being an animal of the zodiac is doesn't fit the theme
>>26232408
It's real because GF is consciously basing fire starters on it. And they got creative in the case of Cyndaquil and Fennekin. You will have to learn to deal with it.
>>26231488
>literally take a cat
>slap a few red lines on it
>call it a fire starter
Why is this allowed?
>>26232465
underrated post
>>26232368
>>26232386
>changing your definition of the pattern because the new information doesn't fit into your prediction
>instead of realizing there is no pattern
There has literally never been anyone who said "yeah, no, we're getting a cat too because it's an unofficial member." People are tacking on new shit too keep their precious, pointless fan wankery alive.
>>26231861
>canine
What the fuck are you on about, anon
>>26232470
We're not forcing it, just confirming that it exists. The fact that the new fire starter fits the tiger part of the zodiac should be a clear sign that the Zodiac pattern is real.
>>26232264
Don't forget
>Porcupine = mouse
>BUT MUH POKEDEX SAYS IT'S A FIRE MOUSE
Pokedex also says Blastoise is a clam.
>imlpying Cyndaquil is not a Solenodon
>>26232589
The only one trying to keep their precious pointless fan wankery is you trying to keep the anti-zodiac theory fan wankery alive when it has been disproved seven generations in a row.
>implying foxes are dogs
>implying wolverines are rats
I'm going to keep denying this because you're all faggots with >muh patterns
>cats are tigers
I knew you would do this, you idiots.
>>26232713
Foxes are related to dogs, and Cyndaquil is actually called the fire mouse pokemon. There is no reason for you to not believe in the zodiac except for if you're a contrarian.
>>26232638
>fits the tiger part of the zodiac
>isn't even a tiger
The mental gymnastics you people do to make your headcanon real is astounding.
>fire starter will evolve into a beastly fire tiger thing
>we can finally have faithful tepig gen 7 edition
Thank christ, fuck gen 6.
>>26231488
yes, but I still wanted a fire/poison snake.
>>26232589
We don't know it ISN'T a tiger.. A tiger is unarguably a big cat, it is a nice theory let's be real here, you are just as mad as zodiacfags are insistent on it being real.
Litten is a cat.
A cat specifically NOT being a Zodiac animal is a part of the Zodiac.
You fucking autist.
>>26232789
Tigers are big cats, so I don't see why you're denying that.
>>26231861
>the "pig" category is commonly labelled as boar and sheep/goat are interchangable
That's because in Chinese there isn't a distinction. The word for sheep and goat is the same word.
The same is NOT true of fox and dog.
Not that I expect zodiacfags to know anything about the Chinese zodiac or culture lol
>>26232852
Litten is clearly a tiger, or going to evolve into a tiger. You're the one wrong here for trying to go against facts and basic logic.
>>26232824
Even if it ends up being a tiger, it doesn't confirm shit because two of the fire starters are not part of the zodiac.
>>26232465
>implying mustelidae are rodentia
>>26232775
>Foxes are related to dogs
You know everything is related to everything right
>>26232775
And Blastoise is a fucking clam, too, right? It's the shellfish Pokemon.
>>26232930
>Litten is clearly a tiger
Based on what exactly? A couple stripes on its legs?
>>26233076
And what do you think will happen to these stripes when Litten evolve?
That's right, they will expand, probably cover Litten in more stripes. Do you know what big cat is covered in stripes? A fucking tiger.
You're about to get proven wrong hard, anti-zodiacfag.
>>26231775
foxes are from a different genus (vulpix) than canis
>>26233203
>tigers are the only cats with stripes
wew
>You're about to get proven wrong hard
You were already proven wrong 16 years ago, and again three years ago. Even if it ends up being a tiger, you're still wrong and you always will be.
Remember this thread, when that nigga mathematically predicted we'd get a Tiger start this gen?
I wasn't a believer until today, desu
>>26231488
HOLD IT
In the VIETNAMNESE zodiac the RABBIT is replaced WITH THE CAT
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>>26232306
She did try hard though!
>>26234093
OOOOO SHIT
>>26233329
same family
>>26234333
Your MOM is in the same family as you
expect it hasn't been right since gen 2, but yeah sure denialfags btfo
>>26231775
Fox=dog only if you are fucking retarded and never studied a bit of biology.
If you think Cyndaquil is a mouse/rat simply because of the retarded Pokedex species names you are literally a Mewtist-tier autist.
>>26234622
There's a reason why GF stated that Cyndaquil is a fire mouse pokemon, and it's to tell people that they're going for a Zodiac theme. If you're too stupid to get it, then we feel sorry for you.
>>26231488
FIRE SNAKE
WHEN
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>>26234722
Again. Blastoise. Shellfish.
>>26234333
So are oxen and sheep
>>26234888
Funny that you bring it up, considering sheep and oxen are both valid translation of the Chinese pictograms
>>26234794
Blastoise is a fish with a shell. It's not that inaccurate. Maybe not the right definition of shellfish, but it's not hard to imagine that the Pokemon World uses Shellfish differently.
>>26234722
so charmnader is lizard not a dragon then?
because thats what its listed as in the dex
zodiac deconfirmed, thanks for clearing that up
>>26234976
>Mega Charizard X
>Fire/Dragon
>Egg group: Dragon
>>26234949
>Blastoise is a fish
>>26234976
>what is charizard
Wow you're a bright individual.
cyndaquil is a dormouse
>>26235088
>>26235182
oh so dex name only matters when it proves you right?
