Now can you kiddies fuck off now
>>26213648
Fuck off """""""""""Joe"""""""""""""
I want to be Serebii's girlfriend
>>26213648
He keeps ignoring that all notions we had about generations got destroyed with ORAS and GameFreak refusing to patch the new Megas for XY.
There is really nothing that stops them from doing the same with seperate Pokemon now.
>>26213667
>Notions about genrations got destroyed by ORAS
How exactly?
>>26213667
There were new Pokémon in ORAS?
This is literally every 6.5 fag
Fucking hell
>>26213667
No different to them adding forms in games since Gen 3.
>>26213666
Joe Merrick only likes guys
>>26213667
You can't get origin form giratina in platinum, or black or white kyurem in BW, how exactly is this different?
>>26213666
Not if I become his boyfriend first.
>>26213686
No, he appears to have a girlfriend. Sorry mate.
Nobody believes Generation 6.5 crap anymore, it's just bait.
Figures that 6.5fags are also furfags.
>>26213694
I want to be her girlfriend
>>26213687
>You can't get origin giratina in diamond/pearl
Ftfy
>>26213682
No. There are NEW MEGAS.
Dex entries = New Pokemon. Your'e an autistic retard if you follow the marketing buzzwords that call megas "New Pokemon" to generate hype. Learn the difference
>furry trainer
what a faggot
bet hes a denialfag too
>>26213698
I'm a furfag and I don't believe in 6.5.
>>26213678
Read the post.
>>26213682
Yes, Mega Evolutions, which in-game wise are functionally the same as all other Pokemon minus the level up list.
>>26213710
Likely story.
>>26213712
As are forms. Some forms even have different level ups. They're more akin to new Pokémon than Mega Evolutions.
He looks like he wants to rape her
>>26213687
You can battle with Kyurem and Giratina forms against BW and DP players
You can't use the new Megas against XY players. GameFreak even had to set up a seperate Battle Spot ladder specifically for ORAS players.
>>26213724
>"HER"
>>26213724
Saw the two of them being chummy at UK Nationals last year. Doesn't surprise me in the least that they are together.
>>26213724
Nigga that's a dude next to Joe
>>26213702
Chill out anon, that's what i was trying to say
>>26213724
is that Dwight?
>>26213721
Forms are also commonly refered to as "new Pokemon" in promotional material.
The difference is >>26213726
Still no one answered me what exactly is stopping GameFreak from making a gen 6 game with non compatibile Pokemon that aren't either Megas or forms? The ORAS experiment has already shown that the fanbase doesn't give a shit since they keep buying the games in droves anyway
>/vp/ is this autistic to give a rats ass about want some random fan with a site has to say
>>26213754
>random fan
Pomf pls
>>26213724
Damn and they say some whites have inherited Neonderthal genes. They both seem to.
>>26213754
Pomf please
>>26213736
Sorry anon. It's just these past few days, weeks, hell months even, have set me on the edge. With all the Owls and "6.5" faggotry, on top of no news, it has really gotten to me
>>26213754
What did you expect from a board with 80% underage userbase? They can't live without their shitty personality cults
>>26213684
>Furry Trainer
Is this proof enough that all half-gen fags are cancer and should be euthanized?
>>26213758
>>26213768
He is though, he's no more special than any of us and the only thing he should be known for is the site itself.
Quit treating him like a damn celebrity and instead just look at the damn site for info.
>>26213739
>>26213724
hes good looking
she is ugly as fuck
>>26213784
>that
>good looking
>>26213784
>hes good looking
I knew Owlfags had shit taste, but holy fuck
>>26213684
So ORAS is gen 7? After all Mega Evolutions were also called "new Pokemon" by TPC before
>>26213750
What's stopping you from understanding that TCPI has said on multiple occasions that this is a new gen?
>>26213795
Refer to >>26213702
>>26213792
>>26213791
>>26213784
You guys have shit taste. They're cute together
>>26213798
Because they didn't, outside from one press release where it might as well have been used as a buzzword
>>26213804
>>26213802
>dex entries = new Pokemon
According to whom? The autistic fanbase that keeps making shit up on the fly? Don't make me laugh.
>>26213804
Eh, guess he doesn't look THAT bad in this one. He just seems to give off a rape stare in most of his pics
>>26213804
It looks fucking photoshopped, holy shit.
>>26213779
Literally any person who owns a news site is "just like any of us".
The difference comes when that site is literally the most popular source of news for fans. Also, it has been proven and shown on multiple occasions that Serebii has insider info.
Pomf pls.
>>26213804
More like they should be cut together.
>>26213733
>>26213804
he calls her his "friend"
think he's being friendzoned
>>26213811
>According to whom?
Is this bait? This has literally been a ting since Gen 1
>>26213804
He looks like her older brother, and that she wants to get closer with him in some way
>>26213648
Serebii is rigjht, except there's nothing stopping Game Freak from doing this in the future.
New games, same engine, minimal Pokedex with a constant stream of new mons every few months in place of the old eventmon system.
"No such thing" doesn't mean "it'll never happen"
>>26213805
>English site says "All new generation!"
>Press release says "The new generation!"
>German statement declares it a new generation
>Trailer implies it's a new generation
>"T-THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN IT!"
>>26213811
According to logically thinking Human being. Mega charizard is not a New pokemon.. Its still charizard but in stronger mega form. Does giratina, deoxys or rotom forms are different pokemon? Does they have different numbers in pokedex? No because those are different forms of same pokemon.
>>26213811
According to logically thinking Human being. Mega charizard is not a New pokemon.. Its still charizard but in stronger mega form. Does giratina, deoxys or rotom forms are different pokemon? Does they have different numbers in pokedex? No because those are different forms of same pokemon.
>>26213816
He doesn't have shit. And just because he's popular doesn't make him always right.
But keep sucking on his cock.
>>26213821
Before this gen I literally never heard anyone say that the only thing that seperates a "real" Pokemon from a form are two lines of flavor text no one except Mewtist ever reads.
If you want to be that pedantic then Mega Evolutions also have flavor text available on TPCi's website, so they clearly don't see it the way you do.
>>26213836
Woah fuck you got defensive pomf.
Are you really THIS mad about gen 6?
Well, I think we could all agree with him on that
>>26213846
>Literally can't think up of a decent argument
>Has to call up someone who is the exact same thing as Joe
It's clear you're just an ebin shitposter/Joe cock-sucker, but I pity (You), so here you go.
>unofficial source
Yeah okay.
>>26213724
that doesn't look like the Joe I saw at UK nats last year
>its gen vii because i say so
>>26213863
Man, Pomf, do you really think you are on the same level as Joe-senpai?
You should take your meds and go back to your loli hentai.
its 11am May 9th where Joe at 7pm May 9th in Japan and 5am in EST in U.S May 9th
So does that mean later on tomorrow in Japan we gonna get info, cause its gonna be May 10 but still will be the 9th in est
>>26213834
See, the thing is you're clinging too hard to flavor bullshit like dex number and dex entry that doesn't matter in the larger picture. Mega Charizard has
>its own model and icon
>its own animations
>its own stats and ability
>its own name
You might not agree with it but from the marketing standpoint they're about the same as "proper" Pokemon. This is also why XY dex consisted of only 72 seperate Pokemon - the Megas covered the rest.
>>26213861
This.
It's bizarre to see all the people chomping at the bit for news, considering what happened with XY and ORAS. The release periods for them were plagued with people bitching about reveals and news and the datamining. Now they play things closer to the chest, and there's the complete opposite reaction. That's one thing that'll never change about the internet.
On the other hand, I get it. We know less about Sun and Moon at this point than we ever really had in the past. There were extended periods in the Gen IV pre-release, I know that, were we got absolutely nothing, but I think we'd still gotten at least one mon at the beginning. It's one thing to have little information, it's another to have basically nothing. Still, people need to calm the fuck down.
>>26213928
It's still called Charizard tho
I really wonder why they don't create a third version if there's still so much stuff from Gen6 they didn't use (Zygarde, creepy girl, power plant, ...)
>>26213925
It'll be at 21:00 in Japan so we still have 26 hours
>>26213941
It's called Mega Charizard. The Mega is an integral part of its name.
>>26214021
Nope, in battle it's still just Charizard with a little symbol next to the name
>>26213928
You didn't address the point about Giratina, Deoxys, or Rotom. All three got new forms that meet each each one of your points there.
Megas are called "Mega Whatever" and sometimes "Mega Whatever X/Y," but as >>26214043 said, this doesn't change their actual name in the name field. It's exactly the same as a forme name change, and it's even recorded as such in the Pokedex, with "Mega Whatever" being in the same space used for Forme names. This is unlike evolution, when will change the standard species name if its in the field to the evolved species name.
And just like form names, there's a common trend between the "new" names. All Formes have "Whatever Forme" and all Megas have "Mega Whatever." No other pokemon names follow this trend. They're not new names, like Charmander to Charmeleon to Charizard. They're prefixed form names. The Charmander line all share similar names, all start with Char-, and many other mons share similar trends (Bulbasaur line and -saur). But this is only in English and some other languages. I don't know much about the Japanese names, but I know Charizard is Lizardon and the Charmander line shares no common name phonetics in Japanese.
Megas are EXACTLY like new Formes, they just share a common, new mechanic for activation. No one ever argued FRLG, Emerald, Platinum, or BW2 were new gens or half gens because they contain new forms that had their own new graphics, new icons, new animations, new abilities, and new special names. Hell, no one even treat Megas like that until very recently, when people began shopping around for any scrape of information to justify their new pet theories about SM.
>>26213648
>Joe "Henry" Merrick
>>26214043
This. Mega is not a New pokemon. Mega is just a alternate form of same pokemon.
>>26213953
My theory is that Z was supposed to come out at the end of 2015 (just as XYZ anime was about to start) but it got cancelled because GameFreak wanted to rush SM for the 20th anniversary. Which doesn't bode well for those games at all.
>>26214122
That's assuming your theory is correct and there's no evidence of that
>>26214122
>Implying SM hasn't been being worked on for nearly 3 years now after XY
>Implying they don't have different development teams
>we won't be able to have a comfy hype thread for tomorrow because owlfags/false flagger 'denialfags'/antiserebii contrarians will ruin every single one
What happened? When did it all go wrong? XY hype was amazing, and everything before it too.
>>26213724
this bitch made me cringe irl what the FUCK
>>26213724
Their children will have terrifying foreheads.
>>26213648
>Muh patterns
Nigga it's been a wild ride since B2W2.
>>26213804
Look at those blue eyes.
I bet she is looking into them while he comes inside her...
Lucky beach.
>>26213648
gen 6.5 fags on suicide watch
>>26213724
EL OH EL
>>26213726
>You can battle with Kyurem and Giratina forms against BW and DP players
No you can't, only deoxys and rotom had that distinction.
Those two would revert back to their original forms without retaining the stats and moves.
>>26214516
Pretty sure Kyurem retained the stats of the forms.
>>26213659
underrated post
>>26213648
A gen is a gen you can't say it's only a half.
>>26213659
A GENERATION IS A GENERATION YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S ONLY HALF
>>26214592
Came here to post this
>>26214077
I am gonna play advocate of devil here.
Why didn't we considered those formes different pokemon?
In all honestly you could find some gullible kid and sell Sky Forme Shaymin as evolution of normal forme.
Or Megazard Y as 3rd evolution of Charmander.
And he would eat it up like mom's spaghetti, because graphic differences between base and forme/mega are sufficient to make it fly.
>>26213648
It's retarded either way. Who cares what the generation is called? It's arguing semantics
>Add one new Pokemon
>New gen
I can usually sympathize with the losing side of /vp/ arguments (anti-fairy fags, owl posters) but thinking there's such a thing as half generations is just fucking stupid.
>>26215848
It's a meme at this point, but people don't understand that it's the retarded side of arguing for S/M being gen 6.
If A=B and C=P, that does absolutely mean that new gens are more than less to look more likedjsohfpsjeoxjd FUCK JOE !!!!
>>26213710
Saying that won't save you from being a complete degenerate you piece of shit.
>>26215805
So your only argument is "well kids are dumb and would believe it!"
>>26213724
Is that bitch even wearing makeup?
>>26215871
My argument is:
They're different graphically from original versions.
They possess their own distinctive models/sprites, stats, sometimes typing, moves and abilities.
Some of them broke full compatibility midgen.
Why do we not consider them new pokemon if several of them have all qualities of pokemon bar dex entry.
>>26215805
This would last only up until you actually played the game and discovered they behave in no way similar to how evolution into a new mon normally works. They are not permanent changes, and are achieved through the use of an item (using a key item in Shaymin's case and holding an item and pressing a button in combat) in a way different than using an item for evolution (no trading involved and no item is consumed).
They weren't considered new Pokemon then for the simple fact that, despite all the changes, they weren't different enough. As odd as that may seem. The idea was basically drip fed over time. At first we got things like Unown, where they just looked different. Same with shinies. Definitely not new mons, just look a little different. No changes in stats (aside from the old problem in Gen II of tying shininess to stats) or moves. Gen III saw Deoxys, who's whole gimmick was form changing. It had a number of different formes and stats and moves, but that was the point. It was its gimmick. That got expanded in Platinum to other moves and made into something you could change on the fly. The gimmick got expanded. Fundamentally, they were all the same Pokemon, despite changing the stats, the appearance, the moves. What was defined as a single mon was expanded to include a variety that the mon could be. Not all at once, but at any one time.
I think it comes down to the ability to turn it on and off. It goes from being an unchangeable change to one you can choose to have or not have back and forth. The first one on a fundamental level feels like a change from one thing to the other, with the two things being separate because you cannot simply flip between them. The latter just feels like switching tools for the task, even if one ends up being objectively better (which is by no means true of all Megas or Formes). Because Megas and Formes are not permanent, they are not truly different mons. Just what a mon can look out of a variety of forms.
>>26213724
The first word that comes to mind when I see this pic is "Frankenstein"
You're all wrong
>>26215919
>Ru-Sa
>Su-Mo
>>26215901
Okay, this sounds logical and rational.
So, next question.
Considering abolition of mid-gen compatibility in gen 6 by addition of ORAS exclusive megas, moves and abilities, what stops GF from destroying concept of generations at all, and introducing new trend where each new pair of games is incompatible with previous ones, thus rendering entire 6/6.5 vs 7 debate moot?
>>26215949
At this point, nothing.
>>26215964
So my fears are true then.They truly could go full jew now
>>26215982
I'm the guy you just quoted, not the one posting that wall of text, but
>implying they haven't with OR/AS and Bank already
>>26215990
that was not full jew.
Kikebook is on full jew
>>26216002
They're gonna want to make people move from OR/AS over to S/M, but keeping XY/ORAS still in touch. It's max money and very optimized.
>>26216002
The real jews are not the American ones, those are married with christians. True jews are in Israel.
>>26215949
Nothing.
The crux of the argument for saying they're in fact doing so, however, relies on spotty evidence. Which is to say, no evidence at all. There's no reason SM can't be a set of games that completely remove the traditional concepts dividing generations. New formes getting new dex entries, standard evolutions being allowed to be undone, so on and so forth.
But there's nothing we've been presented to believe they're going to do so. People like to point to the Zygarde anime stuff or Southern Kalos and so on as indicators that Gen VI isn't done. These are circumstantial at best and ignore how a distinct Gen could still address these things if GameFreak wished. And more to the point, GameFreak has always been quite happy to let things remain unaddressed. Pokemon is full of things never continued or dropped or whatever. It's always been part of the nature of Pokemon, to casually mention and bring up bits of the world that are never followed up on.
People are arguing that we should, on the basis of what we know now, accept that SM are 6.5 or even still sixth Gen. In doing so, they make a host of excuses reinterpreting understood mechanics and definitions to respond to critique. That's backwards. We should only accept an argument about 6.5 when we actually see that those mechanics and definitions have been changed. Not assuming they've been changed because it fits a narrative drawn from circumstantial clues.
>>26213894
>it's Gen 6.5 because I say so
>>26216029
desu VCG not compatible with XYORAS already did that.>yfw ghost in lumiose waits for someone with legit kanto pokemon/mewtwo
Inb4 we get a new region, new starters, new legendaries, new engine with better graphics, no mentions of kalos and retards still claim it's gen 6.5
>>26213702
>Dex entries = New Pokemon
Fuck off, Mewtist
>>26216116
>getting triggered by the phrase "dex entry" when no dex entry was quoted
>not knowing richard's posting style
anon pls
>>26213819
Going by his looks she's the one being friendzoned.
>>26216050
I'd like to disagree with you there.
While I personally assume we're really getting gen 7 this winter, I swear on all what's holy, if S/M won't be sequels of XY like GSC or BW2 were, I am going to flip shit hard.
You say /m/garde is circumstantial, but this certain forme is shilled everywhere. It appears in every relevant marketing branch of pokemon games, be it TCG, Shuffle, merchandise or picross, snek of balans is pushed hard down our throats and every other orifice possible.
It can mean only one thing, that in no way TPCi is done with him. Only times when anime went haywire with exclusive content were two Potd deep in OS madness. They wouldn't create hype for pokemon that simply doesn't exist. Gundamgarde is painted everywhere to be powerful as fuck and I doubt they would go through all this hassle just to cuck us, and every single kid in Japan from getting this powerhouse in our hands.
Moreover, anime implies there are more than two zygarde cores already shown,which happily coincide with five hexagons on 100% Zygarde chest. Red and blue seem to be corresponding to colors of Yveltal and Xerneas, but orange and azure remain untaken. I am sure those colors will correspond to legends of SM, and if they not, you're free to consider me btfo. Dropping plot threads or not, that not happening would be plain stupid.
And by the fact that Zygarde is in lore treated as a protector of Kalos, I assume Kalos is not done too. It might be short revisit, it might be going through it again like in GSC, but we will get back here.
>>26216219
That was largely what I meant by "nothing that couldn't be addressed in a new Gen." We've had mons have prominence between gens and had regions show up again in a new Gen.
The primary argument being discussed, at least initially (I get the feeling everyone actually discussing now is largely on the same page but has some reasonable differences in opinion and focus they want to address), was about assuming this must be followed by SM not being a proper Gen. And, therefore, certain definitions of new mon mechanics and categories would also be changed.
And for all of this, there's little consideration given to the opposite argument: that addresses all of these things (Zygarde forme, Kalos role, etc.) prominently AND is a new Gen. If we assume GameFreak is going to break "the rules" one way, there's no reason to think they can't break it another. "Sun and Moon" don't really seem to bring to mind Zygarde being the box legend, outside of some theory images I've seen that are a bit underwhelming in terms of arguing that Zygarde would be a sufficient Pokemon for the symbology involved in naming a game Sun and Moon. But Zygarde could be a prominent post game thing or even part of the main plot, while still having new Legends and Pokemon.
I honestly don't have a particular opinion on what I think is going on myself, but I do disagree with the lengths many 6.5 posters are going to in trying to retroactively build up an argument so obviously drawn from not too solid assumptions.
>>26213777
yes
>>26216311
What do you think of the people who say generations are mostly defined by what other games they can play with? This has been a "pattern" for all generations.
>>26216311
Tbh, there are some possible properties of SM that would make me go "generations a ded now", but yeah, I think we're on same page.
>>26213648
S/M is actually Gen 2. I wish underaged faggots would learn what the fuck a Generation actually is
>>26213724
Damn all these replies makes me really believe /vp/ is tsundere
>>26216383
>>26216357
I am this >>26216371 anon and what you suggest is first on list of things that would made me treat generations as thing of the past.
>>26216416
Question mark ?
>>26216424
If SM can battle and trade with XYORAS, while still having new pokemon/region/evil team/whatever new games tend to have, I will consider generation of pokemon games as term of past and no longer in valid use.
>>26213648
>>26213648
>he thinks 6.5 means half a gen
>tfw pokemon fans are so retarded they not only dont get generic fan terms but neither pokemon fanterms.
>>26216439
I don't know, because it would have to have too much in common with 6th gen to differentiate itself.
>>26216455
Last I checked it was based on the notion not only that Sun an Moon are half a generation, but that XYORAS are half a generation as well.
>>26215898
Because dex entry is what makes a new pokemon. There are 722 official pokemon. This is due to not counting their forms and megas.
