The fact, that Arceus came from a Egg.
means, something pre-exist Arceus and Arceus shouldn't be called God.
Arceus is Jesus.
Mew is God.
>>26170503
fuck off mewtist
>>26170512
Mew = Ancestor of All Pokémon.
who gives a shit, its a childrens video game
If god wanted to inject itself into the world, it would need a way to birth an avatar into it, only a god would be able to lay an egg that had it inside of it.
>>26170521
This means Mew is the God of Pokemon. Arceus is Mew's child and created the world.
This explains why Mewtwo, while being a cloned child of Mew that Mew birthed, shares similarities to Arceus.
>>26170523
Why are You here then?
It's like Explaining the Big bang
the point is, existence isn't a fact
>>26170526
what the fuck
>>26170503
You don't really have an argument here because the same question can be asked of the Christian God, something can't exist where there was nothing therefore something or someone had to have created God, but who or what created him? This is something no one can answer, not even the most religious figures. If its fine to accept that God was created from nothing then why isn't it fine to accept the same for Arceus?
>>26170524
Arceus is no God and It's not omnipotent.
>>26170536
ok?
>>26170528
why are *you* here then? You showed us, "nu uh"
For once I give the Pokedex merit. Arceus supposedly made the world with his thousand arms, but where are these arms now?
I believe the Primal Arceus split into several powerful but not omnipotent entities to ensure this world can function with free will or at least without the constant intervention of a god figure. Like a thousand separate holy spirits.
>>26170529
Arceus was the big bang.
Not It's Egg.
Arceus is known as "The Original One", as it is said that it created Sinnoh and Ransei, and possibly the entire Pokémon universe, along with the lake guardians and creation trio.
>>26170545
It's not God.
It came from a Egg.
>>26170544
No, the egg WAS the big bang. The universe is an egg that has hatched.
It's just the demiurge.
>>26170550
None of that is true.
Arceus was the big bang.
It's Egg wasn't.
>>26170552
Yes. Demiurge!
ARCEUS POKEDEX ENTRY
"It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed."
ARCEUS EXISTED BEFORE MEW, AND SO DID ITS EGG
>>26170543
>Arceus supposedly made the world with his thousand arms, but where are these arms now?
It's theorized that the Unown are it's "thousand arms" since anime lore shows that the Unown are capable of making matter and their own realities. It's hard to say if the same can be said for their game counterparts but considering there is a swarm of Unown when you create a Creation Trio egg at the Sinjoh Ruins it is possible that they have the same abilities in the games lore.
>>26170503
Titans gave birth to gods and they were still referred to as gods
It's a term defined by whomever just like any other word
Just cuz someone told you what they believed the word "god" means doesn't mean that's what it would be. Words are an invention and as such there are no real ways to declare official definitions beyond some people just agreeing. People like Lewis Carroll have just made shit up and people said sure that's a word
Same thing applies here and everywhere else
>>26170565
Arceus isn't God.
I'm not talking about Mew.
>>26170570
There is more proof to say that Arceus is God instead of Mew, based on the Pokedex entries;
Richard, where's your minder? It's past your bedtime.
>>26170567
We're about Arceus.
Arceus was born.
Arceus came from a Egg.
>>26170572
As I said. We're talking about Arceus.
Mew is not important to this topic.
>>26170576
>>26170584
Mew is not God.
Arceus is God.
Arceus's Egg came from nothing.
Arceus and its Egg existed before the universe.
>>26170596
I know Mew is not God.
Mew is the Ancestor of All Pokémon.
Arceus isn't God as well.
>>26170576
Richard, what exempts Mew from the same conundrum of "well where'd it come from" that you think the Arceus egg has?
>>26170536
I hate it when people say this. You seriously believe Arceus with all his plates and 1000 arms isn't omnipotent? Lmao
>>26170596
Arceus didn't come from Nothing.
It came from a Egg.
>>26170602
Arceus isn't omnipotent.
No Pokémon is omnipotent
>>26170606
I see you can't read.
Arceus DID come from an egg, but that egg came from nothing.
>>26170600
Arceus is God if it created our universe.
>>26170609
Arceus can not die. It can bring destroyed beings back into existence perpetually, including itself.
>>26170601
Arceus egg story is far important than any Pokémon.
>>26170612
No. Arceus is not God.
It came from a Egg.
>>26170617
So what if it came from an Egg? That proves nothing. The egg has been there since before space and time were even created, before the universe. The egg is literally the essence of everything and anything. The egg has so birth, start, end, or death. The egg is forever.
>>26170612
The Egg didn't come from Nothing.
If you pay attention to the games, you would know that by now.
>>26170503
Where did our God come from, then?
>>26170626
The Egg wasn't there according to the games.
>>26170628
Where did God God come from?
>>26170627
Are you a moron? Read some damn mythology. Gods spring up from all kinds of shit all the time. Aphrodite sprang up from fucking testicles thrown into the sea ffs. Pleny of other myths have gods come from weirder or not so weird things. Arceus coming from an egg doesn't mean a thing.
>>26170609
Oh my lord. How do you know that Arceus with all 17 plates and his thousand arms isn't omnipotent. Give me evidence.
Why are these games called Ruby and Sapphire? What do those gems have to do at all with the story/lore/legends?
I know Diamond and Pearl is called as such because the Adamant (Diamond) Orb and the Lustrous (Pearl) Orbs exist and are located above Dialga and Palkia, and they both also have Diamonds and Pearls on their bodies.
But what the fuck do Rubies and Sapphires have to do with Groudon or Kyogre?
>>26170644
It's you who's the moron.
Why have a mind, if you don't use it?
>>26170614
Richard, what theory are you even trying to posit in this thread? What are you trying to accomplish?
>>26170652
define " omnipotent".
>>26170657
It's not a theory. I just want People to realize that Arceus isn't God.
>>26170656
>>26170659
>It's you who's the moron.
>Why have a mind, if you don't use it?
>Doesn't know the definitions of Omnipotent
om·nip·o·tent
ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
adjective: omnipotent
1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high; More
invincible, unconquerable
"the worship of omnipotent deities"
having ultimate power and influence.
"an omnipotent sovereign"
noun
noun: omnipotent; plural noun: omnipotents
1.
God.
Origin
Ah, I see you found out how to have a name on 4chan, Richard, but that's not quite the same thing as a trip code! Tick tock.
>>26170666
How do you define the term "god" in the pokeverse, and are there any pokemon that you think could be classified as "gods"?
>>26170667
Arceus don't have unlimited power or unlimited energy.
>>26170659
able to do anything, which there's no evidence thay he cannot, especially eith all 17 plates
I suck cocks.
>>26170675
Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are Gods.
The Creation Trio and their Creator are Gods.
My, name is Richard. I am researcher of Pokédex and wears diapers.
>>26170678
>Creates the universe
>Doesn't have unlimited power
Kill yourself, Mewtist.
Are there any mods here? Can someone please just fucking ban this guy already?
He's clearly autistic, a literal child, or both, and has actively become a board problem. His posts derail threads, he spams, threads like these might as well be the same as goodra posting: A complete shitshow of people showing up to laugh at one idiot who's possibly just faking it, and he inspires copycats that cause the same shit.
Just ban Richard already, jesus christ.
>>26170667
Arceus don't have unlimited power or unlimited energy.>>26170679
Arceus can't do anything.
>>26170695
>Creates the Universe
>"Can't do anything"
>Yet the Universe is LITERALLY everything
Kill yourself, Mewtist.
>>26170688
If I make a Toy.
do that mean, I have unlimited power?
Mew can't learn Crabhammer. The Pokédex is falsifiable. Only, gameplay is Cannon. I love Fanon.
>>26170682
Define the term "God".
>>26170699
If I make a Car.
Do that mean, I have unlimited power?
>>26170701
>>26170708
>Comparing the Universe, which is EVERYTHING, to a fucking TOY and a CAR
Wow, actual autism. I'm leaving.
>>26170707
Use Google you fucking child.
>>26170703
>>26170710
MEW CAN LEARN CRABHAMMER!!
only in gen II though and only through a convoluted series of steps
1 get a krabby/kingler that knows crabhammer.
2 mystery gift with a friend
3 that friend takes a smeargle to the trainer house in viridian city, battles kingler to sketch crabhammer
4 level smeargle to learn sketch again
5 mystery gift again
6 take mew to the trainer house, transform into smeargle, sketch crabhammer
mew now knows crabhammer after the battle. this only works in gen II
>>26170712
>Wow, actual autism. I'm leaving.
What the fuck did you expect coming in here?
>>26170712
Arceus is not God.
>>26170712
I assumed you were mewtist, calm down anon.
>>26170695
Ah yes, he can't do anything. Which is why he created a universe, a separate dimensions, a majority of the Pokemon, all of the planets, The Sun,The Moon, etc.
Right
eggs are actually portals to the forest of beginnings,Arceus came from there to create the pokemon universe
Mewtist are you ok? Did someone hack your 4chan account?
>>26170741
"Haha, I don't know"
>>26170737
>forest of beginnings
source?
>>26170737
None of that is true.
Arceus was born.
>he thinks just typing random letters and a $ is a trip code
WOOOOOO IM GAY
>>26170741
im at school, the A**h*les keep taking my keyboawqgfugiulasdlucb i am a faggot and i love to suck cock i suck cock i suck cock
I am in love with sucking cokc because I am a retard faggot and no one likes me because all i talk about is pokamon and cry in the corner when my tard rangler leaves it's my fault my parents got divorded and richard's mom is a fucking drunk
RETARDRETARDRETARDRETARDRETARDRETARD
>>26170753
It means United kingdom skies 15
Both my, Account been hacked. I Hope no one finds my Special folder and posts it.
>>26170503
>OP applying christian believe system on a asian fantasy setting
better start to think outside of your little box
>>26170675
Technically almost all legendaries (except Mewtwo, Genesect, and Magearna) can be considered gods due to them actively being responsible for creating natural or spiritual elements. but the main ones would be those that helped create the universe such as Arceus (creating the primordial ooze), Dialga (creating time), Palkia (creating the cosmos), Giratina (creating anti-matter and dimensions), Groudon (creating land masses), Kyogre (creating the oceans and seas), Rayquaza (creating atmospheric layers), Xerneas (creating nature and the concept of life), Yveltal (creating the concept of death itself), Zygarde (creating natural order and balance), and Mew (creating living beings like humans and all non-legendary Pokemon).
>>26170779
The lore of the Sinnoh region is directly based on Christianity
Stop, Stupid internet trolls, you, do Not want to mess with Me
>>26170779
Why have a mind. If you don't use it?
>>26170784
Anon, that's all very reasonable and I appreciate it, but I'm interested in Mewtist's definitions, not those of reasonable people.
>>26170801
Lack of falsifiability.
>>26170785
Except it isn't, it's more so based on the Shinto creation myth with Dialga and Palkia being likely based on the deities Izanagi and Izanami, Arceus however takes reference to many different creator deities from different mythologies however most likely being based on the Shinto creator deity.
>>26170784
That's inaccurate information.
The Pokédex never said that Rayquaza created sky.
>>26170813
>>26170827
Wrong.
Giratina is Satan.
Arceus is God.
>>26170784
Azelf keep the World in balance.
Not Zygarde.
>>26170835
Giratina = Antimatter.
There is no Devil Pokémon.
>>26170512
>Arceus
>Mew
Bellsprout has more followers than both of them.
Maybe there is also primal arceus, and normal arceus is just a avatar.
>From a place where there was nothing
It's literally the fucking big bang, you idiots. He is God, stop discussing this shit.
>>26170871
That is Fanon not Canon. I only follow Pokédex and Gamefreak not fanon.
STOP
>>26170881
before gen 6, nobody even heard about primal kyogre and groundon mate... so why you think there will be not primal arceus also?
>>26170659
omnipotent is when you take too much viagra and your erection lasts for more than eight hours
>>26170900
Lack of falsifiability.
>>26170846
darkrai literally murders people flat out in game lore and is genuinely malicious to humans and pokemon
>>26170846
There's litetally a church in the games
If Arceus is god why can't he learn Crabhammer?
>>26170503
Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it...
>>26170687
no It is not cAnnon
Where do Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde fit in with regards to the other legendaries in terms of powerlevels? Lorewise, not gameplaywise.
>>26170503
>pokedex
>facts
But I think llama is a stupid god too
>>26171075
I'd say Lugia/Ho-Oh tier
Also Arceus is God, but the current form is just an avatar of his true power
Mew is not God, it was the first pokémon to populate the Earth and it eventually evolved into all other species, hence why it can learn every move and has the DNA of every pokémon
>>26170556
That isn't true either you idiot. You don't know that.
>>26171155
It has the DNA of all pokemon including legendaries. Mew are machine elves
>>26171197
>Machine elves
Pass the shrooms bro
>>26170916
That's fanon, not canon.
Arceus came first, then created Mew in its own (and the other deities') image. Arceus is still god, and Mew still has every Pokémon's DNA. Problem solved.
I SUCK MASSIVE BLACK COCK
>>26170703
It can. By using tranform.
Pokemon Mythology is broken as fuck
>>26170503
Arceus is god by sheer merit of creating the damn universe and everything in it. It doesn't matter what may have come before him, he's god to everything he created.
Arceus is god, Mew is Jesus, Giratina is possibly Satan. This is cut and dry to anyone who's not retarded
TL;DR: Fuck off Mewtist
The egg was created byhumans
Richard, why did you create this thread ?
I can't believe we have these people who don't know if Arceus is the on true god of Pokemon.
THE PROOF IS RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES!
ARCEUS IS THE ONE TRUE GOD!
Now you all say "well Pastor Anderson the pokedex says that Arceus came from an egg..."
THE POKEDEX IS MADE BY FALSE PROFITS AND THOSE WHO QUOTE IT DESERVE TO ETERNITY IN THE DISTORTION REALM WITH GIRATINA!
Now you say "Pastor Anderson isn't condemning people to the distortion realm mean?"
NO IT ISN'T, I HOPE GIRATINA PUNISHES YOU FOR BEING WRONG!
>>26170503
That would imply something was able to send an egg beyond space and time. This would be impossible since to do so, you would have to be without substance. One of the properties of matter is to take up space, how can you take up space if there is no space?
>thinking god operates with a straight timeline
>not understanding that the egg and arceus always have, always will, exist
also, "it is said" is the same as "some people believe" which is the same as "no one knows, but some people believe that..."
There is no way to know where arceus came from. The egg is just how humans in a three dimensional world rationalized arceus's existence.
To who? And who was the spouse?
>>26170535
You really haven't read any philosophy or theology, have you? This isn't a new question. Simply put: the universe began to exist. All things that begin have a cause. As a non-physical entity, God is outside the laws of time and space, and therefore, causality; God, the creator of those things, did not begin to exist, for God always existed as a contingent cause of the universe. God is the uncaused first cause whose existence is necessary to all caused things. Now throw Arceus's egg in there and were good. Tip harder.
>>26171554
>he
>>26173333
Mew gave birth to Mewtwo, retard.
>>26170503
Athena crawled out of Zeus's forehead. God's come from unexpected places.
>>26173404
So you mean the Big Bang. The Egg is like Big Bang.
>OP doesn't know
OP please use google and look up these three names:
Pangu
Avalokiteśvara
Amenominakanushi
All three combine to make Arceus
>>26170503
God has different meanings anon.
Gods in the db universe are also born.
>>26170503
Obviously the egg came first you fucking idiot. There can't just be an Arceus out of nowhere.
>taking the Sinnoh legends literally
Yep, the god of the universe who is omnipotent and created everything would totally allow himself to be imprisoned within a Pokeball by a small child. Totally sensical.
>>26173558
>thinking you stand a chance against an avatar of the land, sea, and sky, or of time, space, and antimatter
>It is said
Which means that someone has said that it came from a egg, this doesn't mean that it's true, since it's just someone saying so. To me this sounds a lot more like a metaphor for something else.
>>26173558
Why not? Everything is part of Arceus's plan.
>Mewtist thread.
>137 replies and 49 unique posters.
Richard is fucking irritating enough as it is, but do you guys really need to feed him instead of just reporting his posts on sight for spam?
>>26173838
BUT ALL MYTHS ARE TRUE IN POKEMON
>>26173928
Yes
