>Gen V has mostly shit designs like trashbag, ice cream, derpfish, etc.
>the remaining few that people say are "good" designs are also power creep OU smogon mons like pic related
Serious question: Why haven't we culled the unovabortions off of this board?
>>26108526
Found the Hoennbaby.
People like that guy?
>>26108526
>>26108538
I do. Conkeldurr is a great buddy
>>26108538
>>26108552
I like him too.
>>26108538
Conkeldurr thread anyone?
>>26108538
>>26108552
>>26108562
'durr is based, family
>>26108568
>Conkeldurr thread
Say no more
>>26108526
Some mons aren't meant to look cute or edgy.
Conkeldurr is supposed to look ugly-menacing. He can fuck shit up and his grin shows he knows it.
Taste is entirely subjective and despite what you say about Conkeldurr being a rehash of Machamp, it is aesthetically and conceptually very different. I do not deny the similarities, however. But You need to understand other "regional niches" have been overused more than the slow bulky muscular fighter. If people can have more than 3 crustaceans, 3 mushrooms and 3-5 bearmons or a full dog team, let martial arts and/or /fit/ enthusiasts be able to have theirs
Pic related credits to etcxetc
I love Conk
I hate it's dumb smile in Gen6 tho
>>26108663
But that's the best part
>>26108673
Conkeldurr is not only one of the better fighting types, he's also OU meaning you can't use him in the lower tiers
Wyd
>>26108698
Oh fuck I'm retarded. Thanks for warning
>>26108711
No probs, m8
>>26108568
Hey where are you now? Rev up those conkeldurr images, dedications, appreciaton, etc
>>26108538
People has started to warm up to Conkeldurr now that Machamp is getting a buff with No Guard Fissure.
I honestly never understood why people think that Conkeldurr being ugly is a negative.
Conkeldurr is ugly, but in a good and non-repulsive way. It's different from the likes of Barbaracle, Vanilluxe, Chesnaught and Emboar who're all just repulsively ugly.
>>26108526
I never played gen V so No one can say I'm an Unovabortion. Those are some shit designs. But you also have Galvantula, Chandelure, Bisharp, escavalier, Archeops, cofagrigus, scrafty, darmanitan, krookodile, whimsicott, scolipede, liepard, mienshao , haxorus (that shitty 3D model though), golurk, and my bro Genesect
>>26109148
I honestly never understood why any Pokemon being repulsively ugly is a negative. I love Pokemon like Weezing, Garbodor, Barbaracle, Magmar, etcetera.
>>26108526
Yeah it's sad to see them embrace such shit designs, but it's what they grew up with. Not even minding the Grimer/Voltorb/etc citations, the mons that were influenced from Gen 1 (Bouffalant, Sawk/Throh, etc) seem so hollow and shit in comparison to the originals, yet you'll find unovabortions defending them because of who they are. Gen 5 was the worst of the bunch design-wise. Or to put it better, had the biggest percentage of shit, probably since it had the biggest dex.
>>26108552
This's a big guy.
>>26109189
This might actually be the worst taste I have ever seen expressed on /vp/. Congratulations! Unfortunately I don't have any kind of award to give you, so I'll just go take a tremendous dump in your honor.
>>26109207
Well you see, I don't care about what you have to say since your taste suggests the contrary.
>>26109189
>it's what they grew up with
Nice strawman. A lot of people who started with RBY liked Gen 5, me included
>>26109148
>talking about repulsively ugly
>not mentioning Delphox
GF had one fucking job, all they needed to do was make a witchy fox and they blew it. How do you go from a cute Braixen with a wand to a tall, lanky wizard? Where did the wand go? Why is it so ugly when the previous evos were feminine? Where did this red robe even come from? Why did the red patch on the tip of Fennekin's tail get bigger on Braixen but then completely disappear on Delphox?
Biggest disappointment of my life.
>>26109289
If you're going to call out the view that people who started with the gen comprise the bulk of those who adore it out as weak, I think you're in zero position to speak on behalf of a sample size you noticed in your bias of those who started when you started.
>>26109328
Seems like a wasted opportunity not to turn the stick into a witch's broom that could double as a wizard's staff.
Delphox does actually keep the wand though, it brings it out in its battle animations.
>>26109148
Barbaracle is a good kind of ugly. It's the closest thing to Lovecraftian (along with Hoopa-U and maybe Giratina) while still looking silly enough for a babby game.
>>26109328
>Where did the wand go
Play the games, faggot.
>>26108526
>>26109189
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this
>>26108538
He's a great bro. Solid design. But the trading aspect of a 3 line fighting type evolution is a bit similar it the Machamp line.....
>>26109336
I said "a lot", not "most". Different things. Reading is fundamental. Check the archives as well for threads that ask the age/first game/best gen. A poll some two weeks ago also had Gen V as the frontrunner in favorite gens here.
>>26109351
Oh, I wouldn't know that. I never let my Braixen evolve and if I ever fought one I was probably too busy thinking about how bad they fucked up the design to notice its wand.
But something else I'll note that seems off is Fennekin's tail is smooth, Braixen's is pretty unruly and then Delphox goes back to being smooth. For what purpose? Why would the line have such spikey designs and then suddenly get as smooth as it does? The only thing that seems to have gotten progressively bigger was the ear tufts.
>>26109189
Clearly a samefag
>>26109148
>>26109363
I don't even think barbaracle is ugly. to me it looks like some savage warrior wearing a few pieces of armor like the berserkers in FE. easily my favorite rock type
>>26109373
But they're supposed to look really dumb...
>>26109336
You probably only think absolute garbage like garchomp and purugly look good because you grew up with them too
>>26109402
You're right, reading is fundamental. I hope your first 3 sentences find their way to the appropriate person since they clearly don't correct anything I said. The archives' results will vary however far you go back, to pre-Sun/Moon announcement, to pre-ORAS announcement, etc. I'm not panicking in the slightest about the recent poll's Gen V praise since it was done in tourist season. Have you even looked at the state of the board?
>>26109131
>>26109143
>>26109177
>>26109185
These look fine but the goatee was too creatively different
>>26109396
That's what got my attention to begin with
>>26109148
>Barbaracle
It's based on the ugly barnacle from Bikini Bottom folklore, it's meant to be ugly
>>26109436
Maybe actually be clear in your statement then
>>26109336
>If you're going to call out the view that people who started with the gen
>started with the gen
>the gen
Two gens were mentioned. You stated "we" started in gen 5, my counter was that a lot of people who started in gen 1 liked gen 5.
And it's not my fault you're too lazy to find and post receipts and prefer instead to just claim whatever you like. I suppose that's easier but whatever
>>26108526
Garchomp, Chansey, Genesect, Aegislash, Ferrothorn, Gliscor, Heatran, Klefki, the genies, Mega-Pinsir, Slowbro...
Practically all of these are ugly, with stupid concept or both. But hey, they are OU or Ubers, are competitively good, and consequently are good designs.
>>26109128
>implying gf will allow that into sun/moon
>>26109474
I think I'm clear enough where you don't have to pick words in my statements that don't exist.
But looking at your greentext, I think you have trouble examining context, since I was the one talking about unovabortions.
The point you bring up about Gen I is selection bias since you're only noticing the ones who say they liked Gen V, and are the ones you've run into, as anecdotal evidence. I could do the same and say I know a bunch of people who didn't like Gen V who started with Gen I, but there are people on both sides, so it doesn't get anywhere, which is why I'm saying your point is as weak as mine, if you choose to call mine weak. You follow now?
>>26109422
Yeah dude I've been so remiss with calling out other gen shitmons since for some gosh darn reason no one can explain I only dislike Gen V's dex.
>>26109328
Still better than Chesnaught.
>>26109580
GF won't care enough to do anything about it. No Guard Fissure is happening, and you will have to deal with it.
>>26109580
Well the champ seems to have had a bit of a surge of popularity since 2015. I mean, this is the same group of people who thought Parental Bond, King's Shield, Gale Wings, -ate having STAB pn top of 1.3x boost were completely a-ok
>>26109585
Yea but our context is people who liked the gen5 designs.
You pointed "only people who grew up with gen5" liked the gen5 mons. Whether other or more people from previous gens hated gen5mons is another matter because there are older people, no matter how few to you, that DO like gen5mons
>>26109658
Again, follow the context, and again, stop saying I said things I didn't say ("only").
I replied to OP who brought up unovabortions, so I talked about unovabortions. This is why you shouldn't preface arguments about reading in a condescending manner. Look at the irony.
>>26109328
Fennekin and Braixen look like cute shit for little girls and degenerates while Delphox actually looks like something that can fuck you up with magic.
Post more Conkeldurr
>>26109221
I'm 99% you're OP
You repeat yourself saying Unova sucks but it doesn't mean it is faggot
>>26109189
Not sure if this is bait or not but you have shit taste regardless.
>>26109585
>Tons of great designs crossed out
>Lucario, Finneon and the two worse looking members of the Lake Trio aren't
This isn't just regular shit taste, this is advanced shit taste.
>>26109827
I'm sure that 1% proves you wrong on many occasions.
>>26109844
Pic related, right?
>>26109845
You're implying Uxie is better than the other 2 so you just gave yourself away. Besides, Lucario is low-hanging fruit people attack because of popularity. Remember where you are, faggot.
>>26109585
Anon.... I think we need to put you down....
>>26109827
>can't even maintain basic grammatical structure for his shitty argument
I bet you're a smelly middle eastern
You fags are still arguing?
I'm pretty sure that Barbaracle and Garbodor are someone's favorites, so are you gonna hunt them until the end of Earth for that? Obviously no.
There are over 700 pokemon each with a different look and liking or not a design is just a matter of personal tastes. No one will ever change your taste with words,so just accept that people can have different opinions from yours.
>>26109890
>>26109949
cute
>>26109405
Braixen's tail is unruly because it's constantly putting a stick in it and pulling it back out. Delphox just keeps its wand in its "robe," so its tail is smooth.
I honestly love Delphox's design. No one's ever said that witches have to be pretty.
>>26109910
No I'm fucking sorry I'm not fluent in English you faggot
Learn Italian then talk to me about shitty grammar.
>>26109890
Holy shit you are retared. Screen cap this to prove you aren't op
>>26108526
>>26110142
You see, when people call another party retarded, it's usually because that party has said or done something clearly stupid. When the other party hasn't done anything of that nature but you call them retarded nonetheless, spotlight's on you for basically saying 'I don't like you so here's an arbitrary insult'. Of course, there are exceptions based on the community, like fag/got, fuckboy, and cuck which are used instead as mild extensions of address in the way that buddy or dude can be spun.
But here, I call you retarded for valid reason, in assuming a screenshot somehow solves your problems, as though people couldn't edit it to suit their needs. So here, have fun with this.
>>26109396
>A pokemon from "gen 1 callbacks: the game" resembles a gen1 mon
In other news, a source suggests that Sun/Moon will have 8 gyms, trading will be possible, Roggenrola is a geodude clone and water is wet.
>>26109189
I just think your taste is absolute shit because holy crap most of those Pokemon you crossed out have great designs/concepts.
Seriously, crossing out fucking Galvantula?
>>26110032
>I can't speak the main language of the website I'm posting on
>HURR U SHOULD LEARN MY LANGUAGE
Typical feral foreigners stinking up the place.
>>26110469
I don't want to say it 'ruined' the line, but Galvantula was a huge step down from Joltik. It's almost like Wartortle jumping into Mega Blastoise.
>>26109189
> not liking Mienshao and Beeheyem
>>26110356
What are trying to say? it's fine it's a call back or that it's stupid it's a call back
>>26108538
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>>26110769
>Is it fine that it is a just a call back
Or
>It's stupid that it's a call back
Sorry tried to fix my grammar I'm still not the best
>>26110786
You're a piece of shit
finocchio
>>26110710
Mienshao looks awkward. I understand it's based on those sleeved fighters but the execution doesn't look right.
Was on the fence about Beheeyem but the eyes drove me away in the end. Should've kept Elgyem's eyes, or turned that into the visor look.
>>26109585
How could one man have so much shit taste
>>26110769
Are you ok anon.....? Do you need help?
>>26110850
I don't know and commented (this is my second language) he responded tipping his fedora with the response. >>26109910
I would call him out for being a member of /pol/ but I am to....
>I-I s-swear I always loved my bro! I think his design is cool and epic!
>>26111528
>It's been over 24 hours and he's still butt-devastated.
>>26109585
>Hates most designs
>But likes Drapion and Giratina
>>26111578
Giratina is perfectly fine. Drapion, I've been second-guessing since learning the fangs point outward rather than curved to point inward like proper chelicerae, so I don't mind not defending it as much.
>>26109189
I know this is a 7 hours old post but I just can't get over how bad your taste is.
It doesn't even make fucking sense, why the hell do you like Archeops but dislike Archen?
And who the fuck dislikes Whimsicott and Lilligant? Or Audino and Cinccino? These are like the most inoffensive designs ever.
>>26110356
Callbacks/homage >>> downright pandering
>>26113051
Archen's head is off, do you not see it?
>And who the fuck dislikes Whimsicott and Lilligant? Or Audino and Cinccino? These are like the most inoffensive designs ever.
That tells me your taste is lazy, like that other guy whose only complaint was that I crossed out too many of them, and explains why you don't see the difference between Archen and Archeops. In a take it or leave it scheme, I'm emphasizing the take it. I don't find any of the latter mons you mentioned cute, just bland. Mega Audino is an improvement, but Lilligant is probably the worst offender among them, being reminiscent of Digimon. Whimsicott had the most potential before adjustments but they overdid the cotton aspect.
Anyone who disses the generation with Sunmoth in it will have to go through me first.
>>26109189
>Hates all of the Musketeers except for the absolute worst one of the bunch.
>>26113509
>That tells me your taste is lazy
What the fuck does that even mean?
You wrote a lot of shit but you didn't say anything.
Please do the same thing with the gen 1 pokemon, I want to see how hypocritical you can get.
>>26113529
Volcarona is fine. It's just that half of the dex is utter shit.
>>26113603
It means you welcome things that don't look good as good.
>>26109189
>Victini
>Snivy line
>Oshawott line
>Gigalith line
>Excadrill line
>Scolipede line
>Darmanitan line
>Scrafty line
>Sigilyph
>Cofagrigus
>All fossilmons
>Jellicent line
>Galvantula
>Ferrothorn line
>Eelektross line
>Beheeyem line
>Chandelure line
>Accelgor line
>Mienshao line
>Bouffolant
>Mandibuzz
>Durant
>Whimsicott line
>Lilligant line
All I disagree with, I like them designwise (excluding competitive). Prevo crossouts are a bit weird. For me that is. I never give much thought to prevos, it's only the final product that matters to me(like what's the deal with crossing out Galvantula).
Not gonna say you have shit taste (that's probably a first here) but it is..odd. This either above the norm of Gen 5 hate or I'm actually looking at a genuine opinion beyond
>m-muh icecreams and trashbags
>>26113637
But they do look good you shittasted faggot.
How come the pokemon I mentioned are bland but the literal pink blob with bunny ears is okay?
>>26109189
Wait wait wait. You like Pidove? Your opinion is irrelevant then. You just gave up any chance you had at being taken seriously. Its over. You lost. Move on.
>>26113509
>That tells me your taste is lazy
I can't even find words to express just how stupid this statement is.
>>26108526
conkeldurr's OU? didn't know that. he looks like one of those UU/RUtypes that you forget about, but I do love his design. The final evo is dope and his baby design would actually look like an amazing grass starter because of that wood plank, just make his pink veins a light green and put a leaf somewhere on his body. matter of fact, would a kind anon be willing to do that for me? i dont have my computer so i cant.
>>26110812
I disagree senpai.
>>26113686
That's an interesting perspective. The list would probably look less exclusive if only considering final forms, but I can't say for sure.
>>26113688
For the same reason Mega Audino is nicer than Audino. Ears pointing upward balance the pear-shaped body, making it nice aesthetically and drawing attention to its face. There isn't too much going on, unlike Whimsicott with the overdone cotton and Lilligant that's basically a flower girl.
>>26113692
Pidove is a good example of simplicity done right.
>>26113707
It means you accept mediocrity. It takes as much of your brain cells to figure that out as it should to figure out what shit taste means.
>>26113820
>Whimsicott
>overdone
Shit taste.
>>26113820
But taste is subjective. I'm not gonna call you out on what I find to be a lot of nitpicking on otherwise decent-good designs and I hope you accept the fact that I like 80% of Gen V, doesnt compromise some sort of "mediocre" taste.What's so mediocre about them anyway? Why do you feel you're in the right telling us that not only are they bad, but we should feel bad for liking them, or specifically finding the designs aesthetic.
>>26113820
>Ears pointing upward balance the pear-shaped body
That has to be the stupidest reason to dislike Audino I've ever seen.
Not only that, but it's fucking wrong, Audino doesn't need balance, Mega-Audino has it cape-like thing pointing downwards so the ears are counterbalancing it by pointing outwards.
>Whimsicott
>overdone
I honestly don't even know what to say about this one.
>Pidove is a good example of simplicity done right.
Pidove is a good example of what I would call mediocre, just a boring ass normal-type animal. I'm not going to say it shouldn't exist, but I would never use it.
>>26113707
It really is. I hate when people use "lazy" to describe opinions. It sounds so fucking pretentious and condescending.
>>26113901
You raise a valuable point. Taste is indeed subjective when we get to those finer preferences, for example, I didn't specify how much cotton on Whimsicott would be enough to satisfy me, and that would differ between people (i.e. people who like the current size). But, minding the exaggeration, if I were to draw a scribble as a design for a Pokemon, no one would willingly accept that as a Pokemon. That shows people have an eye for art to a certain extent. It's the same way people are so quick to bash deviantart designs, but aren't so quick to do so with official Pokemon designs. That gets to my point about lazy taste, since people accept what they're stuck with. If you can't discern differences between Ponyta and Keldeo in terms of art style, for example, you're so indifferent that you have no real backing in calling out that person's distaste for the more exaggerated one.
>>26113926
>Not only that, but it's fucking wrong, Audino doesn't need balance, Mega-Audino has it cape-like thing pointing downwards so the ears are counterbalancing it by pointing outwards.
The cape covers the body, acting along that direction in place of the bare body.
>Pidove is a good example of what I would call mediocre, just a boring ass normal-type animal. I'm not going to say it shouldn't exist, but I would never use it.
This is another valuable point of difference in taste. Some people like pigeons, some people like frogs, some people like mice, etc. When you trim a design down to simplicity, it's mostly your taste that you project on the bare design. In this way, one can like Pidove without liking Froakie, and vice-versa.
>>26114164
>If you can't discern differences between Ponyta and Keldeo in terms of art style, for example, you're so indifferent that you have no real backing in calling out that person's distaste for the more exaggerated one.
I can discern the differences, like how Keller is more cartoons than Ponta of course, but I'm still indifferent to it. Of course, I'm no fan of either Pokemon so that's why.
Truly the only thing worse than someone with bad taste is someone with bad taste that is up their own ass about it.
>>26114164
>That gets to my point about lazy taste, since people accept what they're stuck with.
There's nothing to accept, you are not obligated to like every pokemon.
I don't think anyone denies the differences in art-styles between generation but just because they are drawn in a different way doesn't make the design worse, unless the inconsistency bothers you, but that's a different problem.
>The cape covers the body, acting along that direction in place of the bare body.
I don't understand what you mean. I'm talking about silhouettes here, normal audino doesn't have a cape so it doesn't need to be balanced upwards.
>>26114320
>There's nothing to accept, you are not obligated to like every pokemon.
I'm glad we've come to this conclusion.
>I don't think anyone denies the differences in art-styles between generation but just because they are drawn in a different way doesn't make the design worse, unless the inconsistency bothers you, but that's a different problem.
The inconsistency is annoying because we've been moving toward bigger heads, among other things, but it's not always a ruiner. Treecko and Fennekin can pull it off. But some features like the oversized mouth on Keldeo and Infernape look like they took a normal body part and tugged on it, then rounded it out.
>I don't understand what you mean. I'm talking about silhouettes here, normal audino doesn't have a cape so it doesn't need to be balanced upwards.
Normal Audino still has the pear-shaped body, with ears going down, to make it look like it's melting or like a plant kept out of the sun.
>>26114444
Big heads and big eyes are the basis of cute character design, and it's been used for decades.
Just look at the most popular cutemons of the first generation: Eevee, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Charmander, Squirte, Mew.
I don't think the heads have gotten that much bigger, it think it's mostly the eyes.
>to make it look like it's melting or like a plant kept out of the sun.
Pretty sure the ears are supposed to look like bells.
>>26114653
Now that you mention it, it's probably the neck that's gotten skinnier (e.g. Keldeo, Fennekin), or more visible compared to, say, Charmander.
Looking at Charmander art right now, older art has a more direct connect between the head and body than newer art which makes the connection look more like an hourglass.
>>26114738
The old art was pretty inconsistent, charizard used to have a shorter neck and a bigger head.
