What is your favorite zodiac starter ?
Foxes aren't dogs
>>26102430
Echidnas aren't rats
Foxes aren't dogs
Snivy and Cubble
>>26102430
The zodiac isn't real anon. Cyndaquil is a porcupine, Charmander is a salamander, Fenniken is a fox, none of which actually fit. It's been debunked. Please stop posting these.
>>26102430
Chimchar
The fire snek.
>>26102451
Canids.
>>26102457
>>26102468
Fire rat Pokemon. Both in English and Japanese.
>>26102430
Ganondorf
>>26102468
>Charmander is a salamander
Correction: Charmander is a lizard combined with the mythological salamander.
However it is still not a dragon.
>>26102468
>cyndaquil
>the fire MOUSE pokémon
>a porcupine
This is bait.
>>26102495
>>26102503
My favorite crustacean Pokemon is Slowbro.
>>26102498
He becomes a stereotypical dragon. Not dragon type perhaps, but the design intent is clear.
>>26102512
Okay.
>>26102512
Good.
>>26102495
Wrong.
>>26102498
Salamanders are mythological now? Since when?
>>26102503
No, this is fact.
![GettyImages-467500195[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gYQOgZC.jpg "GettyImages-467500195[1].jpg")
>>26102495
The Pokedex calls Sandshrew and Sandslash mice too, when they're clearly based on pangolins.
They're just called mice because most little kids don't know what a pangolin or an echidna are.
If the zodiac is "real" then where are you guys going to shoehorn the new fire cat into?
>>26102535
Clearly not. They're based on mole shrews, which, while looking a bit like pangolins, are not the same thing .
>>26102529
Since a decently long time
>>26102535
>echidna
Porcupine.
>>26102549
Tiger = Cat
>>26102557
Very funny anon. Salamanders aren't mythical, you can find them just as easily as most other lizards, if you know where to look.
>>26102529
Mythological salamanders = fire elementals
Real salamanders = amphibians
>>26102430
zodiac theory isn't true.
>>26102570
>lizards
ted cruz
>>26102529
>Wrong.
Except I am correct.
Foxes are canids as are dogs.
Cyndaquil is referred to as the fire mouse pokemon in the pokedex.
These are facts. Should the next fire starter not be an oxen, panthera, lagomorph, ophidia, equine, or ovis, then I will drop the theory altogether. It's not that important.
>>26102563
Shit, I didn't even see tiger up there. Confirmed.
>>26102570
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamanders_in_folklore_and_legend
>>26102573
Right, I'm so sorry, I was wondering why a Pokémon based on an amphibian was fire type. Still based on a salamander. By the by, the myth is a cautionary tale to prevent people from touching them. Many salamanders, especially varieties found in China, are poisonous to the touch, and can cause a burning, stinging rash to the afflicted area.
>>26102495
But the zodiac says Dog, not Canid. What family would 'Dragon' be under?
>>26102610
>burning
>>26102503
>>26102495
>>26102591
Blastoise the Shellfish Pokemon
>>26102591
Yes, and the pokedex is not canon, for one, and foxes are not in the same genus as Dogs. That alone means they don't count. Canis Familiarus.
>>26102618
Winged lizard I guess.
I don't claim that it's exact. Only that there's a pattern that I see.
>>26102629
hello echidno
>>26102535
actually no
in japanese a porcupine is
or Harinezumi
which is spike rat, and many other things that aren't rats have rat in their name in japanese
so.....
>>26102634
>That alone means they don't count
Why? It's not like the theory is based on specifics.
>>26102604
They have lore, but to be mythical, they have to be a myth. Salamanders are real, so they aren't mythical.
>>26102629
hello rat-
>>26102629
hello echidnao
>>26102643
So what does it matter? Charmander is based on the old myths of salamanders. That's all people are saying.
>>26102634
>the pokedex is not canon
please don't summon the mewtist, this thread contains enough shitposting as it is
>>26102643
>the phoenix is real because it's a bird and birds are real
>>26102629
>>26102629
Too late. Rato.
>>26102642
By definition, it is very specific. The zodiac says dog, so it HAS to ba A DOG. A fox is NOT A DOG.
>>26102629
Hiya porcupine.
>>26102629
hellorato
>>26102629
hello rato' fire
>>26102667
>By definition, it is very specific.
The only definition is that the fire starters are like the Chinese Zodiac. There's no official rules around this, only a pattern people have observed.
>>26102634
Are You insane?
The Pokédex is canon.
Everything in the Pokédex is true.
>>26102654
Have you been paying attention? I'm the one saying it's a salamander, they say it's a lizard.
>>26102667
Literally my mom's dog.
>>26102695
>Have you been paying attention?
Only halfway. I'm also playing Persona Q and listening to the weekly Co-Optional Podcast.
All I'm doing is trying to distract you from fucking with other threads.
>>26102686
Hey, Richard!
>>26102695
But yeah, definitely not a salamander. The clawed toes should make that obvious. Go read your Time for Kids and get back to us.
>>26102656
>>26102686
The pokedex is NOT canon, it contradicts itself all the time.
>>26102660
A phoenix is a myth, they don't exist. Salamanders do exist, and are not myths because of it.
>>26102684
>>26102696
It's called goalpost pushing. You're pushing the goalpost to fit your meme, but you keep getting called on it .
>>26102706
Nice. Persona Q is pretty good. You can't distract me very well though.
Every single person in the entire world has heard all the arguments for and against the zodiac. No one is saying anything new. Based on the evidence, some people have chosen to believe the zodiac pattern, and some have chosen not to believe it. There has never and will never be a definitive answer from GameFreak about it, so you will most likely continue to believe what you believe unless a starter eventually breaks or makes the pattern in your eyes. Even if that happens to you, though, other people will believe something different than you based on the exact same evidence that you both fully understand because everything has already been said about it 1000 times. People will keep interpreting it however they want to support what they've decided to believe, and you will never convince anyone to change their minds about it. Just accept it and move on already.
>>26102695
It's a real world lizard combined with the mythological salamander. It's a moot point because the layman conflates lizards and real salamanders due to their body shape.
>>26102743
So a phoenix isn't a mythical bird, is what you're saying?
>>26102633
>implying it isn't
>>26102739
>Charmander
>Salamander
>Mander
Welp, we know who's right now. It's literally that simple.
>>26102430
Based on this and the starter leaks, I am predicting a Fire Cat starter that evolves into a Fire Tiger.
Screenshot this.
>>26102762
Yep, Charmeleon is definitely a chameleon.
>>26102755
Were you NOT listening? A phoenix is a myth, they don't exist. YES, IT'S A MYTHICAL BIRD!
>>26102768
We already have a fire starter, just waiting for confirmation.
>>26102430
Why hasn't anybody tweeted this at Masuda? It needs question marks to fill in the empty animals, though
>>26102707
How did you know, It was me?
>>26102781
So there can be mythical birds... But not mythical salamanders. Explain.
>>26102778
Charmander - Salamander
Charmeleon - Chameleon
Charizard - Lizard
You see how this works?
>>26102743
>It's called goalpost pushing.
In what sense? I've only ever said I've noticed a pattern where the fire starters resemble the Chinese zodiac. If that pattern is broken this time around, oh well. But I see what I see, and the specifics are only suplemental to me. I don't really care what other believers have to say about it.
>>26102743
Everything in the Pokédex is true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mhsDkOiod4
>>26102781
I meant the name leaks, I'm not going to believe the fucking "leaks" of Grass Owl and pals.
>>26102789
Mythical birds, and myths about birds, are not the same thing. There aren't mythical species of salamanders.
>>26102796
And everything official completely ignores the dex.
>>26102793
Yeah, they do resemble the zodiac, if fenniken is a dog, cyndaquil is a mouse, and charmander is a dragon.
>>26102498
nice meme
>>26102827
And I consider them to be close enough.
>people are still denying the zodiac
This is easily the second dumbest board on 4chan, after /v/. You believe everything that's bullshit and deny anything that isn't.
>>26102809
Except the ones that breathe fire.
>>26102819
if only that was true.
CANT WAIT FOR YOU ANTI-ZODIAC FAGS TO GET COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BTFO OF EXISTANCE
>>26102978
Eventually.
