With Gen 6 soon coming to a close, what are /vp/'s thoughts on the Kalos starters?
>>26041651
This is bait.
>>26041651
Bad.
Froakie line was ok.
Fennekin had a great start but ended up very bad. Not entirely Delphox fault, but those models look like shit.
Chestnaught is the reverse Fennekin. Started bad but then got OK at the end.
>>26041651
Froakie, Frogadier, Fennekin, Braixen and Chespin are fine. The rest are irredeemably ugly trash.
>>26041651
>With Gen 6 soon coming to a close
Thank god. Gen 6 was garbage.
Chespin was ok.
Froakie became shoehorned into everything.
Fennekin was shit.
I love the Chespin line. Froakie line is also great. Fennekin line is decent (Braixen is amazing).
Overall pretty good.
Braixen is the only good thing to come out of Gen 6 starters
>>26041651
They were all great except for chesnaught; He just looked off.
>>26041651
When I first saw Chespin I actually thought it was a stage 1 evolution. Thanks, Dewott.
Delphox is one of my favorite starters ever, although it's kind of begging for a Mega with a hat and a proper staff. Greninja is stupid and I hate its polygonal face. Chesnaught is cool and Spiky Shield is one of my favorite moves.
Nice job using shitty pics of the ing-game models instead of the Sugimori art.
>>26041651
Chespin is a goddamn monster in PSMD.
Removed the shit.
>>26041696
STFU Chesnaught is my bro
>>26041651
Quiladin is an abomination, even Samurott looks better.
>>26041715
Kill yourself
Why couldn't they look like these instead? These evolutions are 100000000% better in every way
>>26041670
agree with Froakie and Fennekin
disagree with Chespin, started well and ended even better.
>>26041737
>getting this mad
Greninja is the best.
>>26041738
>final Fennekin evo is just Braixen but bigger
that is literally never how starters work
>>26041696
Quilladin's in game model looked strange with his pupils in the middle of his eyes.
>>26041758
It still looks better than delphox
>what is venasaur
>what is infernape
>all these fucking people took the bait
>>26041755
>what is the cyndiquil line.
>>26041651
They're okay I guess, I mostly like Chesninja shipping.
I only played X once so I only used Greninja, it was pretty underwhelming.
>>26041773
Infernape and Venusaur look nothing like Monferno and Ivysaur, what are you on?
>>26041755
0/10
>>26041651
Chesnaught is among my very most favorite Pokemon. The rest are okay.
>>26041651
Greninja is godlike.
Delphox is shit.
Chesnaught is shit.
Greninja > Delphox >>>>>> Shit > Chesnaught
>>26041809
Great taste
>>26041809
Why is its head low-poly?
>>26041738
It should have went like this
All first stages are fine and inoffensive.
Frogadier is unremarkable and Quilladin is derpy shit. Braixen is the biggest fucking furbait to have ever been concieved and should be reprimanded by everybody with any iota of decency in them
Now this is where it gets funny.
Greninja is obviously the best final stage but has been slightly marred by Smash, Smogon and the Ashnime. Regardless, the first assessment still stands.
Chestnaught gets a lot of hate but ultimately he's OK and a lot of people do like him after time has passed.
Delphox...
Delphox is just fucking trash. Look at It's in-game model. IT'S FUCKING TRASH. It's a hideous grandma clown thing and it's made even more worse considering the high standards it's previous waifufag furbait had. It's probably the saddest most cruel joke since Bug/Water and Bug/Ground happened.
I am 100% convinced that the autists who caved in to delusion and tried to "like" Delphox are the exact source of all the shitposting and hatred done to the other starters, particularly Chestnaught since everyone already unanimously agreed over Greninja loooong ago and therefore have left him alone.
Seriously, Delphox fans need to get fucked. I know they are out there reading this right now. Come at me faggots. Come out and tell us why you "like" Delphox so much.
I like all three final evos, and am only not a fan of Quilladin.
Don't like Delphox and Chestnaught's in-game models, though. Too stiff.
>>26041755
>>26041684
>not Tyrantrum
Truely you have shit taste
>>26041651
Love Frogadier, Fennekin and Chespin. Not a fan of the rest but surely my least favorite is Greninja; I hate how that body looks too polygonal and unnatural compared to its pre-evolutions, also I'm sure that's not how tongues work, it might make him choke and die.
>>26041837
I like it because it's not furfag bait like Braixen and I like its mage robe design it's got going on, it's in game model is just fucking awful. Perhaps I'm just a little biased since I've grown attached to my in game Delphox.
>>26041651
Delphox is the only one that is legit bad (which is sad because they could easily fix it by dialing backon the robe and ear hair a bit....maybe making some gender distinctions).
Greninja is fucking awesome looking and is only hated because it's popular and people despise it for being so good compared to the other two.
Chesnaught is also great and only hated because it's not what people expected. I love the design.
Also Greninja has probably the most perfect shiny alt we've ever gotten
>>26041755
.
>>26041861
>implying Tyrantrum is a starter
>>26041755
Better get bigger than uglier though.
>>26041738
>tfw wont ever get best frog
>>26041651
Literally the best in the series
The only starters I liked and didt't put in the box immediately
>inb4 bad taste
No, you are the one with a bad taste
>>26041921
Agreed
and I played all gens since yellow
Greninja is cute
>>26041738
Ingenuinely love that Braixen evo, it needs some work because it looks too much like Braixen, but the general concept is great. I'll never complete my Pokedex because I refuse to evolve mine, I hope SM fixes Delphox model and animations
>>26041835
I like this recolor too. I want a different color scheme for the next starters. Pretty tired of the green/orange/blue colors
>>26041937
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL AND OBJECTIVE /VP/ RANKING IN TERMS OF DESIGN FROM EACH LINE:
GOOD
>GRENINJA
>BRAIXEN
>CHESPIN
OKAY
>FROGADIER
>FENNEKIN
>CHESNAUGHT
SHIT
>FROAKIE
>DELPHOX
>QUILLADIN
IN OTHER WORDS
GRENINJA>FROGADIER>FROAKIE
BRAIXEN>FENNEKIN>DELPHOX
CHESPIN>CHESNAUGHT>QUILLADIN
>>26041884
Alright, that sounds reasonable enough.
But your other compatriots give Delphox a bad name though. Just setting the record straight.
>>26041886
what the fuck is with Greninja's head? it looks like it was made out of cardboard. It's legit my least favorite starter because of that.
I could tell you what I think of the Froakie and Chespin lines, but then you'd have to kill me.
Fennekin was the one I picked. Fire was always my least favorite of the three types, but I decided this was the generation I did something different. I decided to be a girl and pick a fire starter. And I think it was fitting. A lot of people interpret Braixen as girly, but I think Delphox can be just as girly.
Froakie, Fennekin, and Chespin are all good.
Frogadier and Braixen are good.
Greninja is good.
Quilladin is shit.
Delphox and especially Chesnaught are shit.
>>26041651
HOLY SHIT GUYS GEN 6 LEAKS
>>26041651
Respectively for each line.
>Okay
>Good
>Awesome
>Good
>Okay
>Shit
>Shit
>Shit
>Shit
>>26041899
>didn't pick Tyrantrum as his starter in X&Y
>>26041747
But it's true. None of the pokemon in that picture are good. Greninja is one of the worst water starters while Chestnaught is pretty cool despite not looking like it's previous forms. And I'm a water fan.
>>26042098
dumb frogposter
Froakie is fine. Not sure about the nostrils, but I like the bubble thief bag. Greninja is pretty fucking out there, but the design is pretty striking and looks cool enough. Frogadier looks like it was designed after Froakie and Greninja with only bridging the two in mind. Weakest of the three, but it's alright.
Not that it's terrible, but something' always seemed off about Fennekin to me - probably the proportions. Don't think it's as cute as they wanted it to be. Vulpix and Shinx are two similar Pokemon with better and 'cuter' designs, Fennekin could have benefited from taking cues from them. Braixen is easily the best of the three: design has a lot of character, and has a vastly superior color palette to the other two. Delphox is just crap: it's this thin and ugly looking red thing with huge ears. They probably wanted to make it look more androgynous after the furry loli, but I think something closer to Braixen would've worked better. Just looks weird, and the head is way to small.
Chespin is okay, they were obviously going for the Piplup/Oshawott thing here. Quilladin is just a clusterfuck, I don't even know where the start. I don't think Chesnaught is as bad as people say, but it could definitely better: in the very least, it's better than Quilladin and Delphox.
>>26041651
I liked all of them and think most of the absurd hate they get is more trolling to get (you)s than sincere opinions. The same can be said for Gen V's starters.
>>26042023
I always thought it was supposed to invoke origami.
Only gen were I like all 3 starters
>>26041738
I do like the current Gregninja but that design is so much better
Why did they go full Squirtle with him
Why are chesnaughtfags so sensitive? Say anything even remotely negative about chesnaught, and they get irrationally mad like this thread just showed.
>>26042348
Youre a faggot weeb
>>26042184
>Greninja
>bad
Greninja is literally one of the best if not the best starter in the game. It's design is pretty bitchin' too.
>>26042532
>>26042540
>a pokemon that his tounge is a scarf
>good design
shit taste, desu
pretty good
fennekin line drags it down compared to gen 1 and 3, but the froakie and chespin lines are great
Greninja is great
I much preferred pic related Delphox which did its rounds before the real one was revealed.
Chestnaut is okay. I think I'd have preferred it with a plainer, brown body
In my personal opinion, the Froakie line is okay all the way through. >>26041835 looks awesome as a final evolution for Froakie. I would have preferred
something like that, but still think that Greninja is a good design.
Fennekin, in my opinion, is the only good design in its line. I personally dislike Braixen, and Delphox's head/ears look rough to me.
Chespin is probably my least favorite first stage starter design ever. That doesn't mean it's awful, but that I like every other starter more. Quilladin is an improvement, but I personally dislike the face style of Chespin and Quilladin. Chesnaught took some getting used to, but I like it better than its pre-evolutions.
Overall, I do prefer simpler pokemon designs for the starters usually. I loved the first 3 generations very much so, and was very excited(and did like) the 4th gen as well as its starters. I know they became more complex, but they were done tastefully. Although the mid-stage evolutions of the 4th gen are meh(except Monferno).
I just don't gel with the 5th and 6th gen starters. I liked using them. A lot of them are usable(Chesnaught is a bro, for example). Design-wise, I feel the least enthused about them. That being said, I'm accepting of all the starters and do find something nice about all of them.
I'm still excited to see what they come up with for Sun and Moon.
/endnovel
>>26041651
>like Fennekin from the start
>bwoa shit, we're getting kiki's delivery service. can't wait.
>Delphox screens get leaked
>really hope they aren't real leaks
>holy fuck people are photoshopping Hey Arnold's head to it and it fits so well
>use Delphox anyway while keeping in mind they botched the model hard and also made baffling competitive decisions completely in the frog's favor.
I did find more appreciation for Delphox's design over time though. Braixen's fun in Pokken. This wasn't an Oshawott disaster, but I hope I luck out next gen.
>>26041651
Better than Gen V but worse than everything else
Gen 3>Gen 1>Gen 4>Gen 2>>>Gen 6>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gen V
We'll get another set of gen 6 starters in SM though. It's not ending soon.
>>26041921
>The only starters I liked an did't put in the box inmediately
You Heartless monster
>Chespin
Good.
>Quilladin
Why.
>Chesnaught
Insultingly bad.
>Fennekin
Aight.
>Braixen
Egh.
>Delphox
Terrible model but it's ok.
>Froakie
Good.
>Frogadier
Good,
>Greninja
Good.
I think the whole RPG class theme was a neat idea.
The actual designs werehit and miss. each one has at least 1 I really like (Chespin, Braixe, and Greninja are all great, frogadier is alright) but the rest are all bad or just aren't my thing.
>>26041975
this nigga knows, though i'd put fennekin in shit
>>26043816
>RPG class theme
Holy shit,I just realized that
finals are 10/10 but ill give frog a 9/10 cus eh
>>26043774
This so much. In fact I was going to choose Chespin as my starter, but then I saw how bad Quilladin looked and decided to pick Froakie instead.
>>26041651
Greninja is magnificent. Delphox is okay. Chesnaught is a hideous abomination.
10/10, 6/10, 0/10 respectively.
I would like Chespin if the devs hadn't got his normal and shiny colours the wrong way round
Chesnaught rather, not Chespin
Braixen had the potential to become visually the best fire starter's final evolution, but it ended up looking like diarrhea
Greninja should've had a bubble scarf, or Froake/Frogadier should've had their tongues involved in design. One or the other.
Delphox is fine. I wish the stick turned into a fullfledged staff though, would've been cool.
Chesnaught is awful. How in the hell do you get that design from Chespin/Quilladin? Why the white armor? Why the red color on Quilladin's spikes, and then suddenly tan? Where does any of that come from? Horrible. It's Samurott-tier in terms of just total nonsense transition and design.
>>26041651
Chesnaught is best waifu
>>26041651
froakie line is good
fennekin line is meh
chespin is dogshit
>>26041725
shiny chesnaught is legit. Such a nice set of colors to look at.
>>26041651
Froakie started out great but got progresively shittier with each evolution. It still ended up decent.
Fennekin started out great too and got even better with each evolution. Delphox is just God.
Chespin was shit from the beginning. Quilladin got a little bit less shitty. Chesnaught is just the worst shit ever created by the pokemon company.
Greninja is a piece of shit
Delphox is lame
Chestnaught is based asides from being a bit lanky
Chesnaught would be fine as a standalone, or part of a different evo line.
He doesn't look like Chespin/Quilladin at all.
It's like they all had something going with the second stage and then they just fucked it up.
I have no problem with a tongue scarf ninja Pokémon, but you can't just make that shit up and drop the previous extremely prominent bubble theme.
Delphox is just ugly, just straight ugly.
What the fuck happened with Chestnaught.
>>26041651
As a guy who always pick grass starter no matter what, the chespin line felt like an insult and gen 6 is probably the only gen where I didn't play with the grass starter first.
I think the chespin line could have been okay as your average pokemon but just not as the FUCKING grass starter.
Good:
Froakie, greninja, chespin, chesnaught, finneken
Eh:
Frogadier, braixen, quilladin (they really fucked up on the 2nd forms in gen 6)
Bad:
Delphox
>>26041651
>Greninja
It's okay. Lack of bubbles kinda hurts it though.
>Delphox
Best of the starters. It just needs a better pose and it would be GOTY.
>Chesnaught
Shittiest. Pokemon. Ever.
Hopefully Mega Delphox will bring sexy back.
now chesnaught is my fuckin shit, it's one of the coolest looking final forms for any starters imo
greninja and Delphox were also greatly designed, I always liked that whole aesthetic with Mage/knight/rogue themes
second stages felt meh to me, quidilla sucked though. first stages were alright
>>26041651
Greninja's Protean ability is annoying as hell, and I can't get over how retarded Delphox looks. I mean it's head is so much fucking smaller than the rest of it's body and I just can't use it. Other than that, I like them all.
>>26041651
They were a step up from last gen's for sure. Still not Gen 1 or Gen 3 quality but a step back in the right direction.
I loved the "warrior/mage/thief" holy trinity pokemon version
>>26041651
>froakie is okay
>frogadier is cool
>greninja is pretty cool even if he's being forced as fuck
>fennekin is pretty good
>braixen is waifu trash
>delphox is okay but the model is shit
>chespin is adorable
>quilladin is cute as fuck
>chesnaught is bro
Probably my second favorite line after 3rd. Before 4th, 1st, 2nd, and especially 5th.
>>26041651
After giving it much thought, analyzing the conceptual origins and execution of concept and their respective Official Ref Sheets, along with comparing them with all other starter trios, it is pretty safe to say they are overall the best Starter Trio we've ever had.
I'm not sure why it took a Monster-Collecting RPG so long to implement starters based on the tried and true formula of the quintessencial complimentary RPG classes: The Fighter, The Mage and The Rogue, but they should've done it sooner. The classes are literally meant to be together to complement each other, this gives the trio a sense of completeness that no other trio as of yet has achieved. If a Pokemon version of Trine ever came to fruition, these guys would be the definitive reps. They also have very interesting typings in terms of Starters.
Although i feel they work best as a team, they range from Great to Near-Perfect as standalone mons.
Describing the overall positives of each of them would take more than what a mere 2000 character limit allows me, but most of their virtues are pretty noticeable. I'm slightly hesitant to call it out, but Greninja might be the overall best Starter in the franchise. Chesnaught is easily top 3, maybe even top 2 Grass starters. Delphox doesn't shy behind either. Most of the complaints about the stiffness or even awkwardness of the designs tends to rightfully stem from the rigid motion they have within the game itself. Which is a real shame, because these guys simply exude colorful personalities.
They aren't perfect, but as a whole i'd say they have the highest Avg. Rating for a trio.
>>26041651
they were all terrible
Froakie line is solid through and through. Nobody questions this, there is a reason the line gets so much anime exposure.
I like Fennekin, and Braixen is awesome. Delphox is awkward looking. I get what they were going for, but the fur pants and crazy ear hair went a bit too far. With some tweaks, or maybe even just more vivacious animation, I can see it being great.
Chespin line gets better with each stage, but Chespin itself is a bit on the "generic blob" side. (Quilladin is also pretty blobby but in a cute and funny way)
I liked the Chespin line the most at first, but recently the Fennekin one grew on me more. Never cared for Froakie's at all.
The middle stages of all three blow hard.
>>26041651
I like the Froakie line, I like Fennekin and Braixen. Delphox is tolerable. Chespin is cute, but dear god what happened after that.
>french setting
>japanese ninja
>greek oracle
>american football player
>>26041651
>>26041715
>>26041651
Best starters since hoenn.
Fite me, bitch
Froakie is great. Is a foamy frog, was pulled off perfectly.
Frogadier is good. It's just a middle evo.
Greninja is good. Doesn't really look like a dark type though and wish he kept the foam scarf.
Fennekin is okay. It's just a fox.
Braixen is great. Pulls off the magical girl fox look spectacularly. Stick is great.
Delphox is okay. I think I have the capacity to like it, but the in-game model and official art is terrible
Chespin isn't good. Looks like it's from some dumb cartoon show.
Quilladin is great. Looks goofy in a good way and is the only one of the like that really looks like a nut.
Chesnaught is good. It also has a bad model and art though. Nice shiny.
>>26041975
This is the correct anyone who disagrees is wrong
>>26049000
Nice trips.
>>26041975
>GRENINJA>FROGADIER>FROAKIE
>BRAIXEN>FENNEKIN>DELPHOX
>CHESPIN>CHESNAUGHT>QUILLADIN
Agree with this, but disagree with the tiers. Froakie definitely isn't shit.
Greninja > Frogadier > Froakie > Braixen > Chespin > Fennekin > Chesnaught > Quilladin >>>>>>>>>>>>> Delphox
>>26041651
Froakie line is good
Fennekin and Braixen a cute, Delphox is a step backwards
Chespin is OK, Quilladin is what the fuck? and Chesnaught is somewhat cool.
>>26041651
>Froakie
great starter, looks unique and inspired with the added bonus of having an implied personality behind it
>Frogadier
excellent transition into a second evolution from froakie
>Greninja
not exactly what I expected, but I guess it works because Greninja looks good and isn't a dragonair to dragonite sort of evolution
>Fennekin
A good, cutesy starter, nothing really more to say.
>Braixen
warning bells of furry ring in my head but aside from this it is a great continuation of the Fennekin line.
>Delphox
wasted potential, if they wanted to go furry they must have gotten cold feet and half-assed it.
>Chespin
Overdid it on the hood, but otherwise a decent design
>Quilladin
Improves the weird head situation, does well in exemplifying Chespins intended job.
>Chesnaught
yet another disappointing design that wasted the potential of Quilladin. While butchering the color scheme with something completely unrelated and new, it also is the least inspired out of the three and the only one I'd mistake for a digimon due to the uncomfortably distinct humanoid form with its features attached to it rather than being a representation of its features
>>26041651
has the most potential, but all three final evos turned out to be bad
reminder that when greninja was first leaked, everyone laughed at how ridiculous it was and assumed it was a shitty fake
>>26041651
Greninja line is pretty cool.
Delphox line is shit.
Chesnaught line is somehow even worse.
The froakie line might be my favourite starter line from all 6 gens.
Also, people say ash-greninja is terrible, but I've really come to like it. It looks pretty great in motion
Greninja reminds me of the Alakazam evo... Can't help but feel that the designs for Fennekin and Chespin are somewhat over used throughout the Pokemon series in one way or another... Chespin is very similar to the otter looking water type you can start with in Pokemon Black / White
>>26050070
>reminder that when greninja was first leaked, everyone laughed at how ridiculous it was and assumed it was a shitty fake
Reminder that when we got actual clearer shots of it in battle and Amie, Greninja started instantly topping every single poll in every single website.
>>26041651
>With Gen 6 soon coming to a close
anon..
>>26041651
Froakie line is the most consistent.
Fennekin line is good until Delphox.
Chespin lines starts and ends with Chespin.
With a little fuckery Delphox and Chesnaught might be able to look decent. Quilladin is completely irredeemable.
>>26051112
??? He's right
Worst group of starters yet
>>26051130
no he's not
>>26041651
Greninja is a pretty good pokemon, easily one of the best water type pokemon yet and the best water starter of them all.
Delphox is an okay pokemon that gets undeserved hatred from furfags and chesnaughtfags. Its only problem is its pose, which can be fixed easily.
Chesnaught, on the other hand, is a shitstain. No wait, calling Chesnaught a shitstain is an insult to shitstains, because it's possible to look at a shitstain and not always get the urge to vomit. Honestly, it's hard to describe it without insulting someone or something indirectly, but it's ugly, it's horrendously designed, and it's a complete and utter disgrace to Pokemon in every aspect possible, and whoever designed that abomination should be ashamed of themselves.
Froakie line is alright
Fennekin line is meh
Chespin is great, Quilladin could have been a passable awkward middle stage, Chesnaught is one of the worst designs in franchise history and I still can't believe that it's real.
>>26041651
Delphox's model is ass. If the model was at least good then Delphox would be OK.
>>26051448
The problem isn't so much the model itself. It's how stiff and devoid of personality the animations are. Official art depicts Delphox very dynamically and with plenty of expression. But in-game it's nothing more than a wet noodle. The fact that its pre-evo had way more personality in-game only to evolve into a soulless traffic cone was a huge turnoff for nearly everyone.
>>26051137
Gen 4 has easiliy the worst starters, followed by gen 3.
>>26051668
><> J
Nice bait
>>26051668
Gen 4 can't have the worst starters, when Gen 6 has Shitnaught.
Anyone who actually likes Braixen is a disgusting animal fucker and should be shot.
I don't know what they were smoking that made them think Delphox was passable.
