>>26022055
That's a cute opinion OP, but true fans know Black and White were the worst ones.
>>26022055
Except for all of them.
>>26022070
You mean Diamond and Pearl
Even though opinion is always subjective, I do agree.
Even my least favourites brought something to the table. Sinnoh was the comfiest region, and playing through it for the first time was great. ORAS really improved Secret Bases, and I've always liked the Gen III Pokémon.
>>26022055
Wrong. Generation IV is, objectively, THE worst generation of new Pokémon to ever be created in the entire franchise's history. No other generation can top it. Just forget about lambasting Generation III or V. Let's go ahead and break it down, shall we?
>107 new Pokémon in total
>29 of them are evolutions for older Pokémon (And only a couple few are actually any good)
>6 fucking new Baby Pokémon because we need as much useless shit as possible
>The remaining rest that are new from Sinnoh are all lazy, ugly, derpy, bare minimum effort kindergarten designs
>This is what gave birth to the "Too many patterns and stripes" meme, because it's TRUE
>introduced a whopping 14 Legendaries, the most out of all generations
>gave birth to what is arguably the biggest most forced furshit cancer imaginable in Lucario
>Highest amount of useless shitmons with awful stats and move pools
>Highest amount of forgettable shitmons also
So like, Game Freak just shit the bed during the early days of the DS right? Not even Platinum was enough. They had to do another generation on the same handheld just to make up for the embarassment. It's no wonder they fell back on making older Pokémon evolutions because their creative effort was at an all-time low back then like holy fuck.
Obviously a scant few designs are decent, but the bad vastly outweighs the good. Off the top of my head I'll name all the shitmons I can remember:
>Bidoof and Bibarel (Infamous derpy shitmon no one likes besides being an HM slave pro)
>All the shittiest bugs imaginable sans Yanmega (Combee and Vespiquen, Kricketot and Kricketune, Burmy and Wormadam, Mothim, Skorupi and Drapion)
>absolute trash shitmon like Carnivine, Glameow and Purugly, Finneon and Lumineon, Drifloon and Drifblim, Pachirisu, Cherubi and Cherrim, Bronzor and Bronzong, Hippopotas and Hippowdon)
>if we ignore the 29 new evolutions we end up with roughly 70% rancid diarrhea
Absolutely awful.
>>26022079
You mean Ruby and Sapphire
>>26022100
I think he means Gold and Silveras do you.
>>26022070
>>26022079
They have large fanbases, they got good reviews from critics worldwide, they have responsive controls and tight gameplay like any good video game.
There are no objectively bad Pokemon games.
>>26022070
BW were masterpieces, anon. Only thing I hated about it was the corridor region, but even then BW2 fixed that.
>>26022117
You mean Red and Blue
>>26022079
>>26022100
>>26022117
wrong, you all clearly meanSun and Moon
>>26022055
>>26022120
Duh. Opinions are subjective.
>all these faggots using objective incorrectly
>>26022096
see:
>>26022120
At worst it could be considered 6/10 if you truly hated it.
60% is a good score.
No bad Pokemon games.
>>26022055
I mean gen 1 is obviously objectively very flawed and broken
>>26022055
>>26022154
Gen 1 was still brilliant for its time.
>>26022134
Here in murrica a 60% is a failure.
>>26022159
nigga the youth gotta learn to spell, gotta learn dem ABC's
you against a youth's education? fuck you man, you whats wrong with this world
pro-pokemon
pro-education
HGSS>BW>Emerald>Pt>B2W2>GSC>RBY>RS>XY>>>DP
>>26022159
>Sees PEGI 3
>Looks at X/Y--PEGI 7
What were you expecting?
>>26022096
Was thinking about this exact same shit the other day.
You areexcept for hating on Drifblimobjectively right.
>>26022120
>Gen IV
>Tight controls
I dare you to go back and try to play through Platinum right now. It is slow as fucking balls.Granted it was a great improvement on the utter shit that was Pearl/Platinum. But that wasn't enough to save Gen IV
>>26022055
>>26022192
I don't have to. I beat Pearl again last week.
Had a lot of fun with it. Definitely the most boring Pokemon game but in no means bad.
>>26022161
eh when you really look at it not really
there were less broken monster collecting games that came out before it
>>26022175
Switch Emerald and Platinum. hen Switch BW2 with BW. Then put ORAS one space below Emerald.
So:
HGSS=BW2>Pt>Emerald>ORAS>GSC>RS>XY>DP
There. Literally perfect. Never played any Kanto game though
>>26022055
Pokemon Trozie is objectively bad.
>>26022120
>they have responsive controls
What the fuck does that even mean with regards to pokemon?
>>26022276
Not him, and this isnt what he means, but think about your experience controlling the Unova bike or Kalos skates.
Responsive controls are the opposite of that.
>>26022096
This is pretty much true. The story was pretty bizarre too. The villain is...a nihilist? What?
The legendaries used to make sense too. Birds, dogs, a whale, dinosaur...I don't even know what gen iv was going for.
A good way of looking at it is, if the game were released today, how would it hold up? Most Pokémon games would do alright, but some far more than others. Mostly it's a matter of the Pokémon themselves being memorable. That's the bread and butter.
Of course there aren't any objectively bad games. Stop making useless posts anon.
>>26022301
Just compare Gastrodon to Lapras. That says it all.
>>26022380
Judging by the amount of people using words like ''awful'', ''shit'', ''objectively the worst'' etc. to describe Pokemon games, I feel it was necessary to remind the masses of /vp/ of their negative nature.
>>26022383
Why compare? Lapras was in the game as well anyway, though not as a free gift.
>>26022301
>The villain is...a nihilist? What?
Cyrus had his appeal for having a actual evil plan that made sense...well, for him, at least.
After Twidle-Land-De and Twidle-Sea-Dumb unleashing horrible ancient legends because they wanted more of a element we had plenty of.
>>26022096
>entirely opinions
>implying any of the new evos besides Magmortar and Lickilicky are bad
this is actually the worst post I've ever seen on /vp/
>>26022427
>evil plan that made sense
The only plans that made sense were Team Rockets and Team Plasmas. Everything else was nonsensical, insane ideas that involved some tremendous, uncontrollable power.
Cyrus wanted to create a new world, which is a pretty astronomical desire, and yet his backstory just wasn't enough to drive his motivation. His parents didn't love him, and he hated his emotions, fine. But that doesn't warrant an entirely new reality. It was insane, but not in an engaging way.
>>26022121
No they weren't. They were mistakes. Should have been 3DS games.
>>26022514
if BW had been 3DS games I bet they would've been worse
>>26022514
No. Absolutely wrong.
Every Pokemon game that's debuted FIRST on a NEW handheld is always dissapointing. Just look at Diamond/Pearl, X/Y, and to an extent, R/S.
They're always improved upon later by the directors cut, or in X/Y's case, abandoned. The more unfamiliar the hardware, the harder it is to make a good game.
Gen 5 was so great because by that time they'd already perfected the DS. All they had to do in B/W was focus entirely on the world, story and the smoothness of the gameplay. That's also why we got such a small ammount of new Pokemon in X/Y. The workload of adapting the engine into full 3D must have been huge.
>>26022492
It was still in the right direction. Most Evil Bosses don't get much in the way of backstory anyways snas Giovanni during G/S/C. With Cyrus, you're suppose to wonder why the fuck is he so crazed in the head, and dare I say it so I can look like a utter fag, he hated the world for it's "incomplete spirit", which he had somewhat of a point on. The fact he let it bother him at the point of wiping the world clean was the problem here. Well, one of them.
Hell, I'm a Gen5 Fag, and even I say Plasma's plan was utter BS because it was a ruse all this time.
>>26022647
Ah, so it's BS regardless of the BS that Magma, Aqua, Galactic, and Flare pulled, not because Plasma were talking out they asses, but because they were obviously lying.
>>26022492
Cyrus' plan was within reach though. Half the guys were foiled partly by the Legendaris' strength, but Cyrus only failed because you and Cynthia intervened.
>>26022070
You've got it all wrong, true fans know that Black & White are the best ones. Source: I'm a true fan.
>>26022492
Team Plasma grunts were pretty stupid and nonsensical.
You see that they're recruited for empathetic reasons (wanting to free beings they think of as slaves) but then in like an hour you see a bunch of low-level grunts stealing Pokémon for the glory of Team Plasma.
It makes sense that the bosses were lying but I hated that these people who had probably joined a month before for good reasons were acting like Team Rocket grunts.
>>26022055
Pokemon Dash
>>26022296
>but think about your experience controlling the Unova bike or Kalos skates.
But they worked just fine.
>>26022412
You are aware that the majority are using it in the comparative sense right?
There are certainly no bad games but there is a worst one.
>>26022711
Even if you remove Gens 1-3 from the discussion, the majority of "true" (14-year-old) fans like you would agree that B&W was a mistake.
>>26023134
Then they aren't true fans and are just following because it's popular. Simple.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9ROM
>>26022096
Some of my own personal additions
> very slow gameplay
> sparse Pokemon selection sure there are a 107 new Pokemon, but when 14 are legendary, 6 are babies, and 20 somehing of them are evolutions to existing Pokemon that arn't even in the game few of the new Pokemon ever show up
> As a result there are Zubats and Geodudes everywhere
> the Ponyta line are the only fire types outside the starter
> the villains were shit
> The evolutions to existing Pokemon were for the most part shit, last time I checked the majority were in NU
> 8 HMs because we needed more of those
I understand that a lot of these issues were fixed in Platinum but Diamond and Pearl were just awful.
>>26022055
You're objectively right, but these anonfags will never admit it. There's anons that hate on lucario, but have lucario posters all over their rooms. It's pathetic.
>>26023421
Dubs, this thread is over, trips, everyone dies now, singles, Masuda is dead.
>>26022096
>>26023282
The starters and the cross evolutions were some of the best, but I agree on the rest.
For anyone who played since the beginning of the franchise and didn't skip a single gen, DP was clearly the worst moment of GF, and Platinum only fixed some of the problems.
I don't understand why those games are so overrated around here.
>>26022175
It's the first time I've found someone with an almost perfect taste.
>>26024210
Well, what do you do when you genuinely love something? The love you have for it outweighs the negative, you put up with it or better yet, makes you numb to such and accept them. People love Gen 1 despite being a programming shit storm. People love Gen 2 despite being compressed to hell and bare. Just like their love for D/P, just like the hate for D/P, it's still a personal preference and can't be called things like "the Darkest Hour for GameFreak" unless they themselves say so.
Just like OP said, there isn't really a objectively bad Pokemon game, just what you think is bad.
>>26022175
BW are not better than Platinum or Emerald.
>>26024210
Generation 2 is my overall favorite, but i have my best memories in gen 4, mostly Platinum.
>>26024210
>DP was clearly the worst moment of GF
>When it outsold RS
LOL
>>26022246
Such an underwhelming disappointment that no one has anything to say about it, or they forgot it even exists.
Tired of Unovabortions and Hoennbabies saying Gen 4 was the worst.
HGSS and Platinum were the peak of the series.
>>26024446
>"it's more popular so it's better" fallacy
Literally normalfag tier reasoning.
>>26024392
Hey, I'm not saying DP were below the 6/10, but Sinnoh has the most overrated games in /vp/ and I find it very strange when that gen started out with lackluster games.
Sinnoh is in fact my favorite region, although that may be because I love snow and my fondest memories of pokemon was the whole "reaching Snowpoint" part.
>>26022096
>he doesn't want cross gen evos
I threw up
>>26024483
Tired of Sinnohfetus saying Gen 3 and 5 were the worst.
BW2 and Emerald were the best games of the franchise.See? I can do it too :^)
>>26024484
You said that it was GF's darkest moment, and judging by the game sales it definitely was not. Also, how is Gen 4 overrated on /vp/? People constantly shit on the games all the fucking time, fuck off.
>>26024526
Except you're a whiny faggot and he's right, anon
>>26024483
>HGSS and Platinum were the peak of the series
Oh cool anon, I pretty much agree with you, I bet you love Gen 5 and 3, hu-
>Unovabortions and Hoenbabbies
O-oh... He hates them. I give up; I can never predict what anyone on this board will actually like.
>>26024548
>you said that it was GF's darkest moment
As in worst games, not as in "it sold less".
And people has been sucking DPPt figurative cock non-stop for the past two years, fuck off.
>>26024581
Everyone is memeing anon, it's best to just ignore obvious genwar threads.
>>26024581
Actually I love Emerald and BW2. Just getting tired of people shitting on 4th gen.
>>26024586
In that case, XY were much worse. Also what fucking threads have you been in? People shit on DPPt all the time.
>OP had a dream to have vp in total agreement and become introspective
>Everyone is killing each other with Gens
>>26024581
Don't worry anon, if you ignore shitposters you can easily spot people like that.
I do think HGSS was one of the peak (the other being BW2) and I love gen 3, 4 and 5 almost equally.
>>26024607
You know what? Fuck it, I'll give you that, DP weren't the worst games when fucking XY exist.
Also notice how I was talking about DP as a bare 6/10, not including Pt.
I still have to disagree in the overrating thing, for every guy shitting on DPPt you get 5 loving Sinnoh and shitting on the rest.
>>26024483
Nobody is saying Gen 4 was the worst, HGSS is a masterpiece, that REMAKE was the peak of the series. Platinum was ok, but still a bit slow. But Diamond and Pearl are the most boring titles of the games, seriously, it is so fucking slow and none of the battles in the WHOLE game is exciting except the one with Cynthia.
>>26022055
It's true. If any of you faggots can prove this man wrong with substantial and true factual evidence without citing your opinion (ex. "it was magical" and "i remember..." etc) then I will post all of my pokegirl pictures, filled to the brim on a 500 gig SSD.
>>26022070
DELETE THIS
