Which animal of the Chinese mosaic will the next Fire starter be?
Ferret which is basically a snake.
Fire Horse for maximum mad.
Fire/Fighting Ox.
Bear which is basically a tiger.
Yak which is basically a goat.
Fuck you, Fennekin isn't a dog.
>>25982407
but there's already a fire horse pokemon they're not gonna make anouther one
Fire ant which is close enough to a rabbit.
>>25982379
Next will be a dog, then a rat. Unending shitposting is the result.
It will be a legless snake which is basically a flying saucer.
Fire/Ground final evo.
>>25982510
They made 3 fire/fighting starters in a row. You sure about that?
>>25982392
>Ferret which is basically a snake.
>>25982753
They're cat snakes.
>>25982510
They made three Fire primates within two generations, they can make another Fire horse.
>>25982753
The Joke
Your Head.
![Chinese-Crested-Dog-Breed[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KrL0SKZ.jpg "Chinese-Crested-Dog-Breed[1].jpg")
>>25982506
>>25983182
Are you trying to say that Fennekin is a rat?
I want the zodiac to be real just so we get a fire bunny eventually.
>>25982566
Fennekin is a canine, so dog is out.
>>25982456
Bears are type of animal called carnivora. So are the tigers. They are pretty much the same animal.
jelly is a new meme please be nice around him
>>25982379
I'm more curious to find out where the flame will be placed.
>>25983247
>fire bunny
>has high special attack to compensate for its low attack, so you'll tend toward a special build ingame
>HA is Huge Power, so it can go physical or mixed in competitive
It's perfect.
>>25982510
Fuck that. Give us a crazy ass pegasus looking thing and no one will complain. Well some will, but the Internet doesn't count.
>mosaic
Why am I first for this
>>25983423
We don't even have a pegaso pokémon yet.
>>25983252
see>>25983010Fennekin is a canine which is the dog, Cyndaquil is an echidna, a rodent, which is the rat. If they made fire starters of a rat or dog, it would fall in the pattern, but also shit on cyndaquil and fennekin fitting in the pattern
>>25983252
Canis Lupis, not Canis Familiaris.
>>25982379
>chinese mosaic
>mosaic
>>25983222
kek
>>25982379
>Chinese mosaic
>mosaic
>>25988278
You again? Stop trying to force that shit.
>>25984905
echidnas are monotremes you slime
>>25984905
what's does it say for the Japanese? the US have Cyndaquil labeled as The Fire Rat Pokemon, is it different in the original?
>>25982753
Well if charmander is a dragon, fennekin a dog and cyndaquil a mouse, I have no doubt zodiac morons will argue that ferrets represent snakes
Zodiacfag logic:
>charizard is a dragon! Charmander doesn't count!
>cyndaquil is a rat! Typhlosion doesn't count
>>25982379
None, but i'd really like a fire goat/sheep.
>>25982379
>mosaic
kek
>>25988313
cyndaquil is literally the mouse pokemon
>>25988306
Cyndaquil in Japan is called a Fire Nezumi Pokemon
Mice, rats, gerbils, squirrels, hedgehogs and moles are considered nezumi
This is also why Sandshrew is called a Mouse Pokemon
>>25986534
>pretending to know latin names
>pretending to know shit all about animals
First of all, Wolf is Canis Lupus. Fennekin, YOU RETARD is obviously a Fennec Fox (Vulpes Zerda).
Yes. I. Mad.
>>25988383
This. Denialfags btfo
>Chinese mosaic
>tile fire starter
>>25983379
>implying fire starters have fire on them anymore
look at the last two gens and cry. chimchar is the odd mon out for the past 4 gens
>>25983428
was scrolling through the thread and thinking exactly the same thing lol
>>25988382
>Implying mice are rats
>>25988582
Fennekin isn't a dog, not even a wolf.
>>25988968
foxes are closer to dogs than chimps are to monkeys genetically, and nobody complains that chimchar is 'not a monkey'
>>25989007
>implying Sun Wukong is a chimp
>>25989007
Chimps are monkeys. Monkey is a larger grouping.
>>25984905
>echidna, a rodent
This is so astronomically incorrect.
YOU are genetically closer to a rodent than an echidna
>>25989024
chimps are apes not monkeys
>>25989028
Apes are monkeys.
>>25989007
Well there you go. Zodiac fag's don't even have a monkey.
>>25989031
>apes are monkeys
>the moon is clouds
Why is it so hard to accept that the fire starters are loosely based on the chinese zodiac? GF is trying to be unpredictable.
>>25989063
Don't you understand, Anon? Everything has to be exact and precise. There can't be no 'fast and loose', because then everybody's poor, logical minds will implode on the confusion.
We have to be ABSOLUTELY EXACT with a bunch of fictional monsters. Don't be ridiculous.Besides, it's clear that the true members of the zodiac will all be Fire/Fighting
Fire starters have the zodiac believers, and grass starters have the evolution theorists.
>>25989063
Because it's likely a case of humans looking for patterns and finding them. They want it to be true so they even stretch the definition of monkey and dog
I'm not opposed to the idea but I need mire evidence especially since fennekin is quite a stretch.
>>25989063
This. They're not 100% based on it, but its still a thing. Its just very loose, though sometimes not so loose (Tepig is a literal pig)
>>25988324
>next fire starter is a sheep/horse/snake/rabbit/tiger/ox
"t-the zodiac theory isnt true. It is a Lama/Mule/lizard/bunny/jaguar/Bull !"
>>25989242
Well I would hardly consider a llama close enough to confirm the theory.
Or a lizard functioning as a snake. At this point they could make a turtle and people will claim it's closer enough because they are already invested.
I think the deniers and affirms are both too extreme. The theory is compelling but I'm not yet convinced
>>25982510
Vulpix was a fire fox long before fennekin was.
>>25988542
and Exeggute are not eggs, their seeds. A fox is a dog and if it's not, pokemon says it is and their is nothing to do about it
>>25989242
If we got a Lion starter would you call it a Tiger? Zodiacfags would because they both belong to the Felidae family.
This is why this theory is retarded as the Fenniken line and the Cyndaquil line breaks this theory outright but fuckers keep spouting it.
Hell if it's a first form only thing, charmander breaks it because it is in no way a dragon, if this is counting final forms because Charizard does fit the theory, Typhlosion breaks it HARD because it is in no way a Rat
>>25989201
What? Infernape is clearly a monkey
Fox is not a dog no matter how you try to rationalize it
>>25984905
>Cyndaquil is an echidna, a rodent, which is the rat.
>>25982379
Elephants are close enough to oxen right?
>>25989007
Chimchar has a tail, he's a monkey.
In fact the whole line has a tail despite the naming.
>>25988383
>>25988582
None of those are monotremes. Zodiacfags btfo
>>25989530
Like I'm seriously trying to understand why people keep faking stupid excuses for this.
>"Because it's not literally 100% that animal you're fucking wrong in every way"
>"A [canine] is a [canine], so that means it doesn't fit under [canine]"
>"A mouse is not a rat and I'm right even if Japan literally claims them as the same animal"
Look. Just.... give one legit piece of evidence that's not "it's not 100% this animal" or "ur a faget" please, at least try
>>25989704
Bitter people who take the battling and 'canon' way too seriously and subsequently hate fun.
>>25989704
Foxes aren't canines, you inbred mutt. They're canids. Get it through you thick skull.
Are you really claiming that charmander is a dragon?
>>25988324
>>25989294
Typhlosion is a wolverine which is a giant rat.
Anti-Zodiacfags BTFO
>>25989975
>wolverine
>giant rat
>weasels are rats
>Typhlosion is a wolverine
10/10 here's your (You).
>>25989893
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae
>"a lineage of carnivorans that includes domestic dogs, wolves, foxes"
>"that includes domestic dogs"
>"domestic dogs"
amazing what a simple google search can do
>>25989704
They can't, the zodiac theory is not falsifiable. That's what makes them retarded, they are literally trying to do the impossible.
>>25990029
Dude
The anon you quoted literally said exactly what you put up here. Foxes are Canids. You just posted a wikipedia page saying foxes are not only Canids, but are in a separate group from domestic dogs.
>>25990058
oh alright then, I'll fix a few things on >>25989704
>"A [candid] is a [candid], so that means it doesn't fit under [candid]."
Happy now?
>>25990071
That still fixes nothing.
A canid is a large grouping of animals. Your wikipedia page said foxes were canids. It also separated them from dogs.
Foxes are dog-like, but not dogs. That's what the page you linked said.
came here for the denialfags
was not disappointed
>>25990087
>"they're in the same species group, they're very similar, but it doesn't count because they're not 100% the same"
I've been so enlightened Anon, thank you for this amazing reveal
>>25990129
It's like saying gorillas are humans.
We're both Hominids. Foxes and dogs are Canids, but foxes aren't dogs.
Dog=Canid, Canid=/=Dog.
>>25990129
>they're in the same species group
no they're not
1. Biology A group of closely related organisms that are very similar to each other and are usually capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring. The species is the fundamental category of taxonomic classification, ranking below a genus or subgenus. Species names are represented in binomial nomenclature by an uncapitalized Latin adjective or noun following a capitalized genus name, as in Ananas comosus, the pineapple, and Equus caballus, the horse.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Species+(biology)
Members of the dog genus Canis: gray wolves, domestic dogs, dingoes, Ethiopian wolves,[2] coyotes, and golden jackals cannot interbreed with members of the wider dog family, the Canidae, such as South American canids, true foxes, African wild dogs, bat-eared foxes, or raccoon dogs; or, if they could, their offspring would be infertile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canid_hybrid
Foxes and dogs are only in the same family
but according to zodiacfags that would also mean, that ox=sheep, because both of them are Bovidae
>>25989530
> 針土竜
>土竜
>>25989700
So going off the species, fennekin is a fox, charmander a salamander, etc. I don't think those species are worth much except when used to desperately fit a theory.
>>25982510
They could make it a bulky Mule/Donkey
>>25989704
>>"A mouse is not a rat and I'm right even if Japan literally claims them as the same animal"
If Cyndaquil is a mouse we must also accept that Blastoise is a shellfish and Slowbro is a hermit crab.
>>25992248
what is Slowpoke anyways? what animal is that?
>>25992291
platypus
>>25992248
pretty sure those are called "Hybrids"
>>25992320
Are you suggesting Blastoise is in anyway a shellfish?
>>25992488
It is tho.
>>25990096
Endless bites
>>25992488
you're the one who said it, not me, unless you're not that anon
>>25992597
The Pokedex says Blastoise is a shellfish.
>>25992635
ohh, now I see, you're just stupid >>25989704 said "Japan literally claims them as the same animal"
so, you're saying Japan thinks Shellfish and turtle are the same? that in normal every day Japan that turtles and shellfish are basically the same? Japan thinks that way for mice and rats, in fact a lot of people will ask "what's the difference?" even today, people don't question whether a turtle is actually a shellfish or not
>>25992488
Only his cannons which are the siphons off of shellfish but anyone with a brain knows hes a tortoise
Does this BTFO denialfags?
>>25992817
if its not Canis familiaris it dosnt btfo anything.
>>25992817
tfw you guys have to search this far and wide to make the zodiak thing seem legit.
>>25992862
did he die?
>>25992710
Cyndaquil is neither a mouse or a rat. It is an echidna.
>>25982379
can we get a fire ram???
>>25992248
I think that's a fair compromise.
The hermit crab references for Slowbro didn't directly refer to animal, originally. The animal is called やどかり while Slowbro is the ヤドカリ Pokemon. ヤドカリ refers to how Slowbro hunts, as well as how it is a squatter. And when I say it, I'm referring to how the Slowpoke lazes around, as well as the parasitic nature of Shellder. Now that the megaevolution makes Shellder into protection, the hermit crab pun makes full circle.
For Blastoise, there's >>25992767 as well as how it takes in water, and expelling it out for propulsion. Since the cannons come out of the shell, it can be assumed the water is stored in its shell, just like what a shellfish does. Gaining cannons also gets rid of what makes Wartortle a minogame, reflecting filter feeding.
It's certainly a turtle, but its defining characteristic and what that entails came from shellfish.
Not ideal translations, but not the worst.
>>25992817
refer to >>25990189
If Fennekin is a dog, then both sheep/goat and ox are the same animal. And I'm pretty sure that completely contradicts with the zodiac-theory, since you need both of them seperated, since both goat/sheep and ox are part of the zodiac
Wait are you people arguing about the Blastoise shellfish thing? That has nothing to do what Blastoise is or what Japan thinks (they don't think turtles are shellfish), it's just a dumb translation.
The people in charge of the localization had some dumb decree that all Pokemon species names that are the same Japanese have to be the same in English. In Japan, Blastoise, Kabuto, and Kabutops are called the Koura Pokemon, which translates to the Shell Pokemon. Not shellfish, just shell, which both Blastoise and Kabuto have.
Someone in charge of the localization decided that Kabuto and Kabutops' species name should changed to Shellfish instead of just Shell, but also insisted that everything be translated the same, so Blastoise got stuck also being called the Shellfish Pokemon, even though it's a turtle.
The red fox is more genetically distant from the grey wolf than chimps are from humans.
So Infernape is based on a human and completely fucks with muh zodiac.
>>25993358
I completely agree that Shell is far superior than Shellfish.
But to play devil's advocate, Kabuto takes the likeness of limulidae, and both English and Japanese call these crabs despite not actually being one. It's a nod to this.How's that for damage control?
>>25994305
That's not how the zodiac works.
Infernape may be based on a human but chimchar isn't, therefore it's the monkey. It's the same with charmander (not a dragon but charizard is). As long as one pokemon in the line has connection with the zodiac is fine.
>>25993358
Denial fags just keep grasping at straws bro. Don't worry, gen 7 will add another nail in the coffin.
>>25982379
A bear
>>25994653
>As long as one pokemon in the line has connection with the zodiac is fine.
Why would they base an entire type off of something for 20 years if they can't even base an entire line off of it?
The zodiac's such an arbitrarily broad and generic category to begin with, you shouldn't need to give it even more leeway than it already has.
>>25989704
>"Because it's not literally 100% that animal you're fucking wrong in every way"
Because if we don't make it so that the starters have to be based 100% exactly on the Zodiac animals then there is no way to falsify the Zodiac theory, since retarded Zodiacfags will always just shift the goalposts. "Foxes are dogs, Rhinos are horses, Kangaroos are rabbits", etc. And if a theory isn't falsifiable then it shouldn't be taken seriously, and thus Zodiacfags should stop spouting their shit everywhere.
>>25994653
The red fox is more genetically distant from the grey wolf than chimps are from humans.
Chimchar is therefore also based on a human.
Zodiacfags BTFO.
