This is an open discussion about how people think the different regions connect. I've seen a lot of different theories of how they do connect, ranging from all the different ends of the speculation spectrum:
(http://imgur.com/a/4L9rr) - Album of different maps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E1aI4tDgDA - BirdKeeperToby theory
There is in-game evidence to suggest that Sinnoh is to the north of Johto, namely via the Sinjoh Ruins and the PokeGear stating that the music of Sinnoh is the sounds of the north.
BirdKeeperToby's thoery states that Sinnoh is connected to Kanto and Johto also because of the name, SinnOH, JohTO, KanTO. These three regions have the O/OH sound at the end, however this might just be a coincidence. Also, from the games, we can see that Professor Oak has only travelled to Kanto, Johto and Sinnoh.
Evidence also exists that Sinnoh is connected to Unova, via the Cave of Being. While it is said the Unova is far away from the other regions, it can still be on the same landmass meaning a train can run to it, or a train can run under the ocean, which we see in our world.
Sinnoh is also connected to Kalos via train (Sycamore caught a train for Sinnoh to Kalos: Couriway Town) This could suggest that Sinnoh is to the east of Kalos.
Hoenn, I would say, is pretty much on the equator (tropical environment) However, Kalos has a tropical environment in its southern parts, meaning the Hoenn would have to be to the south of the large chunk of land the rest of the regions are on.
Specifically from BirdKeeperToby's video, certain regions can be connected due to the similarites in Pokemon species within the environment; Eastern Kalos and Eastern Johto, Southern Kalos and the water areas of Hoenn.
I just want to know what the rest of /vp/ thinks :)
They connect just like their real life counter part, in a slightly different of the world really.
>>25968460
>in winter, it snows in the northern part of Unova
>southern Kalos (Kiloude) seems significantly warmer than the northern areas
>that map puts both regions south of Hoenn and the Sevii Islands
Triggered
>>25968514
Yeah because New York and France are both in one spot right?
>>25968460
This should help a bit, world map from the anime centered on Unova
>>25968561
>2 copypasted scandinavias
>>25968460
Unova and Kalos should be on the same latitude as Kanto and Johto, but Unova much East from them and Kalos much West
>>25968460
>Sycamore caught a train for Sinnoh to Kalos: Couriway Town
Where is this stated in the games?
>>25968460
>Sinnoh is connected to Unova, via the Cave of Being
That was more of a spiritual connection than a geographical one.
>Sinnoh is also connected to Kalos via train
Bullshit
>>25968460
>Sinnoh is also connected to Kalos via train (Sycamore caught a train for Sinnoh to Kalos: Couriway Town) This could suggest that Sinnoh is to the east of Kalos.
Dude, he simply had a boat ride from Hokkaido to Vladivostok and then he took the Trans-Siberian train
Pic related is canon.
/thread
>>25968614
It's still disputable just how "canon" it really is. I think most people sees it as a nod to the fandom rather than an actual, usable, canon map.
>>25968561
>>25968575
That map is literally canon. See how it matches this other depiction from the anime.
>>25968632
>It's still disputable just how "canon" it really is.
No it's not
Only a cretin could think it's canon when it has Sinnoh's polar bit on the same latitute as tropical Hoenn
>>25968614
Sinnoh is the north most region.... it's south here. No area for the Sinjoh Ruins. I don't think so. It contradicts what is said in the games.
>>25968460
BKT's ideas are really spot on. I wasn't a fan of where he placed Hoenn at first but after hearing his reasoning I can accept it. I think I would cut out a bit of the excess continents until they are used for something, anything, but until then, this is how I see the world too.
>>25968641
So, where is China, India and America in the pokémon world?
Or is America = Kalos? That means Kalos was at war?
>>25968662
Unfortunately, considering the map in >>25968614 is featured in ORAS, the two most recent games, it has effectively retconned everything previously said in the games.
>>25968674
>it has effectively retconned everything previously said in the games.
Until there is some kind of in-game dialogue or explanation that explicitly calls that map definitive canon, that is just an easter egg that Serebii Joe uses to stroke his ego.
It's a given fact that Orre lies to the west of Johto and to the north of Hoenn. And since the Sevii Islands lies south of Kanto (at least that's what I presume they do?), they are to the east or northeast of Hoenn, depending on just how south Hoenn is compared to Orre/Johto/Kanto. Sinnoh lies to the north of Johto, as seen when checking the map at Sinjoh Ruins. Unova lies far away from all of these, so it is presumably on a completely different continent. Unova's map is rotated 90 degrees, as seen during winter where only the "left" side of the region gets snow. Kalos is presumably a bit north of equator due to its tropical-looking southern part, but nothing else can be determined about this region's placement or whether or not it's placed on one of the two already known continents.
If taking real-life Japan into consideration, Fiore and Almia can both be placed directly south of Sinnoh. Oblivia is presumably to the north of Johto and to the west of Sinjoh Ruins, somewhere out in the ocean.
>>25968460
>>25968614
>>25968662
Silly anons, everyone knows the first 4 regions are LITERALLY poké-Japan:^)
>>25968674
That was just an easter egg nod to Serebii, not unlike http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Daffyduckium
>>25968641
>>25968561
It has been retconned in Mega Evolution Special when they show a globe with the exact same features as the real one
The canon is basically that it looks very similar to our own, just the borders (as opposed to land masses) being different
>>25968689
I like how the Ransei region is subtly filling in all the missing pieces of Japan.
>>25968561
>>25968641
Might be this.
>>25968673
No idea, plenty of continents they could be. You can see Alaska, maybe that's part of the US.
>>25968662
>>25968685
Why do literal retards keep claiming that the Sinjoh Ruins prove Johto and Sinnoh are geographically linked?
Here's their canon
>As revealed by Cynthia and a Hiker in the cabin, the Sinjoh Ruins are the remains of a temple created hundreds of years ago by two groups of humans: one who had come from Sinnoh, and another who had hailed from Johto, or specifically the Ruins of Alph. Because of this, the ruins contain elements of both the Spear Pillar and the Ruins of Alph, as a sign of the blending of the two cultures.
The name linking Sinnoh and Johto is a reference to how they're of shared influences, not of how Sinnoh and Johto are linked as landmasses
>>25968737
Forgot pic
Here is a question for everyone:
>Which regions are actually canon?
Only the main 6, or does Orre count too? What about Fiore, Almia and Oblivia? Does Ransei and Ferrum count as well? And what about all those lesser-known shit-regions from TCG, Box and other such media?
>>25968614
>he doesn't think it's just a neat little reference
>>25968746
For the sake of argument, I think most people agree that even though all the different media have different continuities, they take place on the same planet, and so every stated region exists in every continuity.
Why so much talk about the map these days?
The real answer is that there is no canon because GF wants full freedom on what region can be connected to another and how, etc.
>>25968744
Yeah, the random scandinavia put there by the uninspired graphists of the worst season of the ashnime is totally kanto...
>>25968738
I never said Sinnoh was connected to Johto via landmass you dumbass, only it was located somewhere north of it. It could still be multiple regions away for all we know.
>>25968746
Ransei's not modern at all, so it could be passed off as a distant landmass or supercontinent.
Also, considering you can import Pokemon from Orre, Fiore, Almia, and Oblivia, it makes sense that they'd be canon.
>>25968744
Spotted the spic
>>25968759
Sinnoh is further North East from Johto and Kanto, just like in real Japan
>>25968746
Main 7 (Sevii are a considered a separate region), Orre, Fiore, Almia and Oblivia due to some kind of connection to the main line regions. Ransei's existence was vaguely acknowledged in the main games by an event distributing Nobunaga's black Fug, and the mystery dungeon regions are set in a different dimension/timeline. Other regions are debatable.
>>25968784
>implying sevii is a region
it's the 6.5th region
>>25968746
>Orre
You can transfer poekmon between hoenn and orre. Canon.
>Fiore/Almia/Oblivia
You can get pokemon from the ranger games.Plus they fit pretty well.Canon.
>Ransei
No.
>Ferrum
No.
>Holon
No.
>Stadium/PBR's locations.
Yes.
>>25968733
I'm surprised at how well the area between Hoenn and Johto seems to fit. Even the river-like things near the Safari Zone match that island in Ransei.
>>25968557
New York and France are both in the places they are, yes. If that's what you're asking.
>>25968561
>castelia city's ports are visible from space.
>no other region is visible on this entire half of the planet
I don't think that's a very accurate map.
>>25968460
This one.
On a side note, the HGSS map style is so great. Kalos looks especially great with it considering it's dogshit official art.
>>25969067
I'd love that map IF IT DIDN'T PUT ORRE IN FUCKING JAPAN
something like this
>>25969067
Most accurate so far
>>25969067
To think that I live in France and GameFreak put a fucking desert in place of where I live, lmao.
>>25969093
Orre is officially confirmed to be in close proximity of Johto and Hoenn, you dumbass.
>>25969067
Looking at Kalos on this map made me wonder why the fuck they decided to only base Kalos on the top half of France.
>>25969145
For Gen 6.5 in Southern Kalos obviously
>>25969136
Source? I'd love for this to be confirmed.
>>25969145Because sun and moon will be the bottom half. :^)
>>25969154
>6.5
is gen 2 gen 1.5?
>>25969067
almost perfect but
>bw1 unova
>no kalos routes
>farearay island in weird place
>orre in japan
>battle zone is inaccurate
but it's one if the best ones nonetheless
>>25969067
Lovely.
Orre is Arizona though.
Almia is poke greece
>tons of islands
>tons of mountains
>anatolia in the east
>city built on a volcano island=santorini
>>25969164
But it's not BW1 Unova?
>>25969213
Part of it is, part of it isn't.
>>25969159
If you've played the Orre games, you might remember NPCs talking about how there's almost no wild Pokémon in Orre at all. They state that Trainers import their Pokémon Johto and Hoenn, as that's the regions that are closest to Orre itself.
>>25969067
Orre should be so much bigger though
>>25969248
>NPCs talking about how there's almost no wild Pokémon in Orre at all. They state that Trainers import their Pokémon from Johto and Hoenn
This is correct.
>as that's the regions that are closest to Orre itself
This is reaching just to confirm your headcanon.
>>25969248
>Trainers import their Pokémon Johto and Hoenn, as that's the regions that are closest to Orre itself.
No, what they state is
>Trainers import their Pokémon Johto and Hoenn.
The rest you made up yourself.
Those were the recent regions at the time anon. Don't read too much into it.
>>25968460
>>25968592
Seriously, where is the in game proof of this? Plus, that means Sycamore is from Sinnoh?
>>25968514
>>25968689
Hate this theory because I always assume the regions are much larger than that
>>25968561
>>25968641
>anime
>>25968614
>>25968674
It cant retcon geography. Sinnoh has permanent snow in it's northernmost place. Every other snowy place comes from altitude or whatever stupid as shit reason Wulfric's town in Kalos has snow
>>25968744
what the fuck is this shit?
>>25968784
>>25968803
I almost wish that Sevii Islands were expanded to be a fuller region
>>25969067
I hate the 1:1 theory because it'd mean everywhere is super tiny and Unova is even smaller. But this map art style is so flawless that I still love it. HGSS does it again.
>>25969386
>Hate this theory because I always assume the regions are much larger than that
Most regions are the size of a medium european country (like France or Germany) given that it takes roughly a year to tour them on foot
>>25968784
>Ransei's existence was vaguely acknowledged in the main games by an event distributing Nobunaga's black Fug
You're wrong here. There are "crossover" events all the time. All movie Mythicals' first Japanese editions are essentially their anime counterparts, and they've given things like Ash's Pikachu, Iris's Axew, etc as well in the past.
Definitely agree a connection can be drawn with the GeniSono and the Ranger games, but Conquest is certainly its own thing, and that's okay.
>>25969418
This might just be me not visualising how big Japan is in relation to non-island countries
I'd still assume they're bigger than thier real world counterparts. I mean, Unova.
>>25969067
source?
>>25969562
OP's album
>>25968561
>>25968641
>anime = games
Now post the other anime maps that have ranged from "random scribbles" to "literally Earth"
>>25969574
Oh, huh. I guess he doesnt know where it comes from? I assumed a deviantart gallery. I was interested in seeing more.
Also, looking at a few others, I'm now really annoyed at the inclusion of the Orange Islands but not the Decolore Islands
>>25969638
>Decolore Islands
We don't talk about that here, anon.
>>25969638
>>25969574
>>25969562
It's by a guy named LinkMaster101 on dA, but it's honestly just an edited version of NikNaks93's map.
>>25969646
I know everyone hates a big chunk of that section of the anime but it's either both anime exclusive island chains or neither
>>25968460
>trying to draw Kalos' and Unova's diagonal routes orthogonally just to be in keeping with the older map style
It looks ugly as hell f.am, just do diagonal lines.
>>25969602
Which anon? You're making the claim, show me which you mean. The ones I posted were explicitly shown in the anime and stated to be representative of their planet.
Saw this on reddit while looking up the source of the maps:
"Unova lies far away from all of these, so it is presumably on a completely different continent. Unova's map is also rotated approximately 90 degrees, as seen during winter where only the "left" side of the region gets snow."
Never really thought of that, but that's a cool point.
>>25969679
I hate the straight lines of Gen 5 and 6
>>25969747
I prefer the old map style overall, but given how Kalos and Unova are structured it just looks messy to do them that way.
>>25969747
In fairness the routes in Unova are actually like that and the in-game map is what lies.
>>25969685
For example, the Mega Evolution special which shows a globe identical to Earth.
And, again, I can't stress this enough.
>anime
If we're actually going to be retarded enough to look at non-game material for reference, then the ME Specials at least have the distinction of being referenced in-game, with Steven describing the events as having happened before Delta Episode.
>>25968460
>that poor attempt at Orre
This is not how you do a desert.
>>25969787
Did they say that globe was of their planet? Or was it just there?
>>25968460
Orre, Fiore, Sinnoh, Oblivia, Kanjoh, Almia, Hoenn, Sevii, Unova, Kalos.
...Is that lone island below Sevii supposed to be Faraway Island?
>>25969807
>Did they say that globe was of their planet
>>25968460
can someone label this map for a noob like me?
>>25968814
>Orre
>canon
>never mentioned by the name outside of its games
headcanon: what happened at orre is too edgy even in-universe so that everyone refers to it as "faraway land'
>>25968689
>>25969067
>an island called Southern Island
>is actually the most western part of the region rather than the most southern
>just to please 1:1 with the world-fags
>>25969825
This is how daffyducking became canon in Star Trek anon. You need to be autistic about these things.
>>25969899
No thanks, I'm a reasonable person who is not retarded enough to think spin-offs are a primary source for the main games.
>>25969879
>South Dakota
>It's in the North
>West Virginia
>It's in the East
>>25969971
But those are in comparison to other places. There's a North Dakota. No Northern Island though.
I mean, this is obvious though
>>25969879
to be fair, it is more southern than anything save the island regions and half of hoenn
Personal headcanon crudely put together in paint.
Kalos and Unova can go suck a dick.
>>25970381
Sevii Islands is a canon region directly below Kanto
Sinnoh is definitely higher up than that
>>25970381
>what are the sevii islands
>what is almia
>what is water directly below sandgem town
>>25970381
almia should be south of sinnoh, north of kanto
I've yet to see a convincing map in this thread that isn't a JapMap.
>>25970414
>>what is water directly below sandgem town
I always assumed it was a part of the Lake of Rage or something because of the D/P (and platinum?) intro.
>>25970428
That literally makes no sense. The Lake of Rage boundaries are clearly defined in both GSC and HGSS.
>>25970444
Yeah I guess so. The two regions are definitely close though.
It's about time we get another multiple regions game so we can settle some of this once and for all.
>>25970428
even if it was, the map would still be wrong because sinnoh is too far east.
also the routes south of sandgem town have marine pokemon, not lake mons.
>>25970428
Are you retarded?
Gen IV overworld makes a clear distinction between lakes and sea texture
>>25968662
How about route numeration, does it make sense with that map?
>>25970428
lmao same here
>>25970519
fuck off nerd, muh maps
>>25970894
Sinnoh isn't even positioned over the Lake of Rage, you ninny.
1/2
2/2
>>25970381
>only the main regions
1/5 wouldn't recommend.
>>25970911
>tfw Orre is just somewhere.
IRC, some Japanese interview confirms that Orre is based on Phoenix, Arizona.
What are those two dots up in the Unova?
Is one of these Nature Preserve?
>>25970917
The first 4 regions are definitely not that small compared to the others
>>25970960
welp, here's an image.
>>25970917
It needs to be rescaled though
All main games regions are the same size aside from Sinnoh that is a little bigger
>>25970960
Battle Subway end points.
Also, being based on somewhere doesnt mean it HAS to be there, people just use a Japan shape because it also lines up with the in game lore
>>25970964
that map is misleading. Kanto is irl Kanto which is comparable to the (mostly) lower Hudson river valley that is unova.any faggot that thinks the regions dont fit together like japan has never looked at a map of japan before
>>25971027
>Battle Subway end points.
I think he meant the ones WAY outside of Unova's region. The blue point near the river and the city/town up in the far right corner. Those are definitely not subway stops.
>>25971055
That makes more sense. Still find that wrong though, I think the regions fitting like Japan is treu, but everything else is more unique. I mean, train from Sinnoh to Unova and all.
>>25971090
>train from Sinnoh to Unova and all
what?
>>25971090
The "train from Sinnoh to Unova" was bullshit. Don't believe it. Don't spread it.
>>25971084
could be this
>>25971097
Whoops, meant Kalos. Apparently OP is talking about something in Couriway Town saying the train there goes to Sinnoh.
>>25971108
>>25971120
I was waiting for a source on that myself.
At least Cave of Being connecting Unova and Sinnoh has in game confirmation. I suppose it could be a metaphor
>>25971120
oh ha, i stopped reading OP when he first mentioned BirdKeeperToby
Each time we argue about the pokemon world map, SM is delayed 1 day.
>>25970911
This map makes Kalos look so cool. What went wrong?
>>25970911
Copy pasting the HGSS map means the fact that snow is on Mt Silver isnt shown
>>25971146
>>25971134
It is most definitely a metaphor. There's no physical connection between Sinnoh and Unova, the Cave of Being only existed as a cheap way for us to get extra Legendaries in BW2.
>>25971146good, more time for them to work on it then
>>25971115
It's way too far away on the previous map to be it, it's like 2 regions away from Unova.
>>25970917
Faraway Island has been disproven. Faraway Island is not Guyana. http://www.pokemon.jp/special/moyadoga/mew/file5.html
>>25971244
No reason it couldnt be an underground cave running under both regions. Both regions have heavy underground networks. I'm not saying they're the same region, but It's not as far as USA and Japan I'd bet.
>>25971027
>undergroud train tracks all the way there
okay who the fuck is Unova president and allowed for this shit
So do we accept that the regions are the same size or are they more akin to an abstract overworld where one map isn't necessarily 1:1 to another?
>>25971441
I think one map tile = one map tile but I don't think the maps ingame (in the menu) are the same scale
>>25971441
Look at the geography.
I'd say Sinnoh is the biggest, Johto, Unova, Kalos are the same size, then Hoenn and Kanto are the smallestbesides Sevii Islands
bump because I really like this conversation
>>25969386
>It cant retcon geography.
Where did the Orange Islands go?
>>25973457
I dont understand. Orange Islands isnt in the games, or in that map.
>>25973625
Orange Islands were shown directly south of Kanto, then vanished to be replaced with the Sevii Islands. So much for geography can't be retconned.
>>25971327
Sinnoh and Unova may not be on the literal other side of the planet in relation to each other, but it's still given that they are far away from each other. Multiple regions in length. A single, tiny cave with a tunnel going all the way under multiple different regions only to spawn a single, just as tiny cave on in another region far away just seems way too unlikely to me. Had it been a volcano or Mt. Coronot or something big or deep, it could be plausible, but not something as teeny as the Cave of Being that's literally just a rock opening on the surface.
>>25973700
It's a magic cave?
Very interesting to see all thes different theories here.
>>25973651
But they're not canon in the games. They're anime only. I dont get what you're saying.
>>25973700
Yeah, but geography doesnt do what would be the most cool, just what ends up happening. But it is indeed unlikely the way you described it. But I dont think those would be the only entrances. Or that it HAS to be connected to the Lake caves in Sinnoh. It could be Mt Coronet, or hell, somewhere we havent been to.
>>25973762
Agreed
>>25975441
Games, anime, etc aren't completely different universes, as shown by overlapping locations, characters and Pokemon.
>>25975879
But thier different canons, shown by, well, obvious things. There are several locations in the anime from each region that dont exist, there's Contests in Johto and Kalos, etc. Definitely different
>>25968460
Main games are the only canon.
There are only six regions we know of and they are all in the locations of their real world counterpart.
>There is in-game evidence to suggest that Sinnoh is to the north of Johto, namely via the Sinjoh Ruins and the PokeGear stating that the music of Sinnoh is the sounds of the north.
Yep.
>BirdKeeperToby's thoery states that Sinnoh is connected to Kanto and Johto also because of the name, SinnOH, JohTO, KanTO. These three regions have the O/OH sound at the end, however this might just be a coincidence. Also, from the games, we can see that Professor Oak has only travelled to Kanto, Johto and Sinnoh.
Falls apart with the Japanese names
>Evidence also exists that Sinnoh is connected to Unova, via the Cave of Being. While it is said the Unova is far away from the other regions, it can still be on the same landmass meaning a train can run to it, or a train can run under the ocean, which we see in our world.
The Lake Trio probably just got their onii-chan Palkia to connect the Cave of Being to Sinnoh via space magic
>Sinnoh is also connected to Kalos via train (Sycamore caught a train for Sinnoh to Kalos: Couriway Town) This could suggest that Sinnoh is to the east of Kalos.
I don't remember anything like this, evidence or it's bullshit
>Hoenn, I would say, is pretty much on the equator (tropical environment) However, Kalos has a tropical environment in its southern parts, meaning the Hoenn would have to be to the south of the large chunk of land the rest of the regions are on.
Hoenn's climate is consistent with its real-world counterpart.
>>25969067
Muh nigg
>>25969899
>This is how daffyducking became canon in Star Trek
a wut now?
Only recently started with ToS. Care to elaborate on this?
>>25977509
>Sinnoh is also connected to Kalos via train (Sycamore caught a train for Sinnoh to Kalos: Couriway Town) This could suggest that Sinnoh is to the east of Kalos.
I don't remember anything like this, evidence or it's bullshit
I thought I heard somewhere that Sycamore arrived via train to the Kalos region via Sinnoh. However, we do know that Sycamore arrived to Kalos on a train from somewhere, as his letter on the Couriway Town station is presumably the first thing he wrote upon entry into the Kalos region.
We do know that he did learn a lot from Professor Rowan when he was younger, so there was a time where he was in Sinnoh.
>>25977662
The producers of TNG added lots of in-jokes and easter eggs on the screens in the background, including numerous anime references. Some of them are legible, and so since they were shown on screen, they are canon.
A few of them were removed from the HD remasters since that made them even more legible, but most weren't.
>>25969879
I'm sorry, I thought it was called Southern Island, not Most Southern Island.
Thanks for clearing that up for everyone, anon.
lets keep er goin
>>25977904
What is it even south to?
>>25977509
>Sevii Islands
Also, if they're at thier real world counterparts then Unova is the size of a city. If it's a different size then nothing is stopping it from being a different place, because the precedent for difference has been set
>>25977794
What was bad about an easter egg being canon?
Was it like someone watching anime on a monitor? Cause that I'd get.
