>VGC players will defend this
>VGC is the better meta, we swear!
SMOGON DID (almost) NOTHING WRONG
Giving lesser Pokemon their own tiers to play in, not bothering with arbitrary bans on mythicals, actually banning the real cancer... In comparison to that abomination called VGC, Smogon might as well be a saint.
>>25936842
idunno OP the one guy who went out of his way to use a clefairy won for some reason
>>25937006
Clefairy is decent in doubles because of Follow Me+Friend Guard. You also only bring 4of 6 pokemon, so he can just choose to not use it and have a standard team.
based fucking clefairy
lol you people obviously haven't been following the results from U.S events. Past the first run of regionals big six's dominance has waned massively but its still a viable archetype. It makes sense that in a backwater VGC country like France where 60 masters show up to a regional a proven archetype like big six will be dominant because no one in France knows how to fucking team build. jesus christ you people are stupid, which wouldn't be a problem except for the apparently irresistible urge stupid people feel to comment on things they know nothing about. this tournament was also a month ago aaaaaaand: https://twitter.com/_000aj/status/719179046899294208
pic related is a european regional a month later.
TL:DR stop talking about vgc if you're ignorant
>>25937351
nothing past first place matters
>>25937488
My coaches taught me the opposite in Little League and that's why you're wrong.
>>25937351
That's all true - the regional championships really aren't normally as skewed as the French ones - but it's still not a good format. Even your own has Kyogre on all teams but one, one Rayquaza or Groudon on every team, and one of the Uber-tier Mega-Evolutions. That's not a good metagame, that's a very limited metagame.
>>25937006
The VGC 2014 championship-winning Pachirisu showed that a normally-weak Pokémon can be surprisingly, exceptionally good as a support in doubles.
>>25937488
Not true, often there is prize money for 2nd place
>complaining about tierwhoring when money is on the line
You guys should see the Mahvel tourney scene
>>25937536
'good metagame' means nothing. do you wanna win or lose games? that's all you need to think about as a vgc player not these stupid philosophical smogon arguments
>>25937585
KBR won last evo with Hulk/Sentinel/Haggar, that's nothing like the typical team
>>25937578
Maybe get a job.
>>25937620
>you can't do both
>>25937633
If you play Pokemon for the money, literally a job at mcdonalds would net you more
>>25937641
It's still 15k earned in a day for 2nd place
>>25936842
So the people who claim Smogon is all the same ten Pokémon while defending VGC are shitposters, right?
I mean VGC seems to have good years like 2014 but usually it looks drab. Not to mention no 6v6 singles.
>>25937656
God i love that Pachirisu.
>>25937656
>singles
ew
I don't know why this bothers people so much. Tierwhoring is a staple of tournaments, winning is the only thing that really matters in the competition
I mean, 90% of 3rd Strike tournament players picked Yun, Chun, or Ken
>>25937656
how ironic, you're calling other people shitposters while posting that image
>>25937641
when was playing pokemon for money brought up
>>25937351
Is this Swiss style?
>>25937768
It's mostly because a lot of the hate towards smogon has been about how only a very small selection of pokémon are used, when this is far worse in VGC.
>playing Showdown random
>bitch say, "I'll win because my guy is faster, gg though"
If these fuckers have set stats that you can come to know, then where the fuck do I play actual random?
>>25937776
>the truth is shitposting
>>25938315
Battle Spot right? Is there anything I need to know besides three only and it molests my levels?
>>25936842
Yeah, because you cherry picked a regional
>>25937599
A good metagame means one where it's not Fox Only. A bad one is where you must include a Gen3 trio on your team to stand a chance.
>>25939065
A good metagame means one where the competitors play to win. A bad metagame is where everyone's secretly just playing for fun.
>>25937656
>pachirisu
what the fuck
>>25939185
volt absorb + follow me
>>25936842
>People that actually play the game competitively will defend the format
ftfy
>>25939065
>>25939108
A good meta game is where the most skilled player will win a higher percentage of the time. A bad metagame favors luck over skill.
Why you play or what you play with is irrelevant when discussing objectively good or bad metagames in tournament structure. Stop being faggots.
VGC meta is unfun for some people, and fun for others. Nice opinion there amigo, but the bottom line is that a Metagame in and of itself is a cpompetitive environment created- intentionally or not- by people who have control over said environment. the only people to blame here are Nintendo, for allowing this to happen, and hope that SM fixes the issues people have with the metagame.
>>25938242
Yeah but why do people care? If you're playing to win, you take every advantage you can. Fuck the haters, they didn't want to win as badly as you did.
>>25939651
It's just a bit ironic since a lot of VGC players insisted that it was a place of diversity and that it was a positive thing, and now many have done a 180.
As for myself I play for fun, obviously I try to win but if I'm not having fun I don't see why I should bother.
>>25939691
Well I come from fighting games and in my experience the people who insist in certain restrictions that aren't for blatantly broken shit (see: Super Turbo Akuma, who is so broken he's banned in all tournaments) are just salty
>>25936842
No we won't, most players agree that this meta is the worse out of every single vgc format ever.
>>25937656
Why was Magmar a more viable option than Magmortar in 2013?
>>25936842
I won't, I'm not playing anymore events this year
t. regionals champion
>>25940125
eviolite
>>25936842
>>25936897
>>25937035
>>25939185
>Missed the glory that was Pachirisu winning it all
Spawned some great art.
>>25937748
Those are doubles, not singles.
>>25940362
source?
SMOGON ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>25940429
Just google "Pachirisu championship," it's the first one that comes up.
>>25940362
>people that like pachirisu unironically
>>25940466
>not knowing that clef is a viable big six tech
christ 90% of this board has downs when it comes it to talking about VGC. if you're not good at the game please stay silent
But yeah, smogon is full of faggots who hate everything, this is much more interesting and original.
>>25942188
The problem with smogon is that bans are decided by the community, specifically by the more skilled members. If something disrupts the established strategies of the high ladder, it will oftentimes get banned instead of the meta adapting to it. Some Pokemon, like Mega Salamence, really are just broken in a singles format. But some bans, like Mega-Mawile, Aegislash, and (arguably) Greninja, are just people not wanting to adapt. For VGC, the ruleset pretty much never changes after it's announced, so if something turns out to be OP, players have no other choice than to counter it if they want to win. Case in point: VGC 14. It might not look like it from the Worlds top 8, but Mega Kanga was even better in 2014 than in 2015. As a result, people stacked their teams with counters and checks to it, making it much more difficult to use. Then people came up with teams that worked well against anti-Kanga teams, such as Sejun Park's. Kangaskhan+Amoonguss was one of the best duos, but he decided that while Mega Gyarados + Pachirisu is slightly inferior overall, it does much better against anti-Kangaskhan teams.
>>25937351
>Bronzong
Huh, that's a surprise. What does Bronzong bring to the table, exactly?
>>25937488
Don't be so hard on yourself anon. Of course you matter.
>>25936842
So the strategy to win is just use 5/6 of those and bring some shitmon that nobody knows how to deal with.
>>25942385
Like Cresselia, it's good for trick room, skill swap (to reset primal weathers), and because levitate protects it from Groudon's Precipice Blades. The main advantage Bronzong has over Cress is in the Xerneas matchup - with steel typing it can survive multiple fairy attacks even after a Geomancy. It can also use Gyro Ball to do loads of damage against Xern. Steel also makes it better against Mega Kanga, and arguably against Mega Salamence - it has an easier time switching into aerilated attacks, but it can't damage it as heavily as Cress can with ice beam.
>>25942438
Except that Clefairy is actually insanely good as support. Friend Guard, Follow Me, and Helping Hand are all super useful.
>>25942385
Status support and Levitate for earthquake avoidance I assume.
>>25936842
>trying to bait guillable vp babies with cherrypicking only one chart when there are several ones sorted by nation / region each season
>expecting vp being rational when they barely play smogon or vgc or battle spot
Hmmmm...
>>25939247
stop insulting nintendo
>>25937351
>raichu
>>25940466
More like PREDICTED BY SMOGON. It had proper Doubles and VGC2015 movesets and analysis for ages.
>>25942314
> If something disrupts the established strategies of the high ladder, it will oftentimes get banned instead of the meta adapting to it.
The big problem with 'imperfect balance' (a term League Of Legends fans to justify their shitty game balance) is twofold:
1: It sucks out originality. Every team must have an OP Pokémon or a team that counters that OP Pokémon. You could come up with a great combo team, possibly using Baton Pass, but if it doesn't have either of those things you might as well thrash it because, unless it's exceptionally powerful, you're going to get wrecked by OP Pokémon.
2: It introduces a lot of randomness into the tournament. If there's not enough OP Pokémon in a regional championship, then the teams with counters fail. If there's not enough counters, then teams without OP Pokémon fail. It results in the VGC2014/2015 difference, where the Top 5 in one year are all counters and the Top 5 in the next are all OP Pokémon. In fact, even in an even split, whether you succeed or not would be decided by whether you fight your best matchups or not.
Compare that with Smogon's rules of not allowing OP Pokémon, and crap like what happened in VGC2015 just doesn't happen. And there's pretty much no downside.
>>25940466
Is this bait. Don't think anyone could be this stupid
