>X/Y let's you have Kanto starters, Lapras, and puts in a blocking Snorlax as a nice tribute to RBY.
>/vp/ somehow thinks this is a flaw in the game, complains about "genwunner pandering".
This board so stupid sometimes.
It would have made more sense for that stuff to be in Sun and Moon since Gen 7 is taking place during the 20th anniversary but it was fine to put them in XY.
even after getting all of that genwunners still cried another fucking remake like XY wasn't already half-kanto
>>25926259
I agree with OP for once. And no I ain't no genwunner.
>>25926259
>X/Y literally re-does events from the first games
>then they double down by releasing said games during the same generation
>somehow this isn't "genwunner pandering"
>>25926259
They also dislike getting a free Latios/Latias that they never even have to use even though they're used for one of the coolest additions in ORAS. One that negates the use of a HM too something they also always complain about. so you know...
>>25926297
I literally have no idea what your trying to say here.
>>25926313
Pokemon turned 20 you fucking mongoloid why do you think they re-released it.
>>25926259
>Throwing Mewtwo in some random cave
>oh, complete with a Mega Stone as well. As if the EXP. share wasn't enough, right? We need a Pokemon with base stats high enough to finger a fucking eagle to beat this piss easy game
>Moltres/Articuno/Zapdos available to catch in some random cave
>Charizard players get two Mega Evolution choices instead of one
>Kanto mid evolutions to catch in the fucking WILD using friend safari
>don't even bother to make a new arrangement for the Kanto legendary battles, they just do some Youtube remix tier mix using the original 8-bit audio from the Game Boy
It's a perfectly valid complaint, OP. Get used to it.
>>25926341
I think he's trying to say that genwunners were upset about ORAS being a remake even though XY were half of a Kanto remake.
>>25926363
>getting more Pokemon is bad
No anon. It's not a valid complaint.
>>25926259
Don't forget that the only other legendarys other than the box ones are from Kanto.
>>25926341
Pretty sure they're saying that genwunners cry out for another remake of Gen 1, even though X and Y had a lot of references to Gen 1.
>>25926363
Are we trying to imply that Gamefreak shouldn't give a shit about its genesis? The beginning of a franchise like this is very important, and forgetting it doesn't do its original fans much justice. People who complain about muh genwunners are just salty they weren't around in '96 to be on the ground fucking floor.
Something about gen 1 pokemon I find so boring and bland. To me most of them lack that "fuck yeah I wanna use that" feel.
I guess after 20 years you get sick of gen 1 stuff
>>25926388
You never played Red/Blue when it first came out. So you don't understand at all.
>>25926388
This is a child's mentality.
And I know what's coming.
>hurr you don't have to use them!!
No, I fucking don't, but when a video game does something, for example, offers you shit that would usually be hard to earn or achieve, right in front of your nose, it's a flaw. It's a flaw because the game doesn't give a fuck about the world it's built, and it's a flaw because the game has so little to offer in terms of new legendaries, it has to shoe-horn in the most familiar ones. It's fanservice, and it's a flaw.
>>25926456
>>25926421
I'm a "genwunner" and I dont care if it gets another remake.
>>25926447
This, but I feel this way about most pokemon in XY, they're jsut randomly there, to hide the lack of new pokemon. Giving pokemon their own location is what makes them stand out from a romhack
>>25926436
My first Pokemon game was Yellow back in 2001.
I'm allowed to want new experiences instead of being reminded ''HEY! HEY HEY REMEMBER ZAPDOS!? REMEMBER ZAPDOS EXISTS!?''
Yes, I remember Zapdos, I also remember fucking Bulbasaur. But I want new creatures to catch. I appreciate the legacy of the series, but at this point it has as much nostalgia appeal as Pop Tarts. Yeah, I ate them as a kid, but they're nothing special anymore.
A few tributes is fine. But xy is full of so many of them that it loses a lot of it's own identity while also having no such tributes to the newer, better gens.
You're joking right?
Please be joking.
>>25926436
The games were objectively shit compared to later generations. Only reason it went big is because of it's novelty. The game didnt become actually good until Gen 2, where they learned from the mistakes they made with Gen 1. R/B/Y were glitchy messes, had terrible balance, and we're just all around boring grindfests, but it's all we had back then so we look back at it with nostalgia goggles thinking it was the best thing ever when it clearly wasn't that good, anyone who goes back and plays the rereleases on 3DS know this quite well.
>>25926363
>>don't even bother to make a new arrangement for the Kanto legendary battles, they just do some Youtube remix tier mix using the original 8-bit audio from the Game Boy
>not liking that music
lick me
>>25926363
But you can also find the XY starters in the friend safari too
>>25926489
Hoenn baby confirmed.
>>25926342
Thanks for missing the point. X/Y was the closest they could have come to remaking Red and Blue without actually remaking them. Hell, they even re-used Viridian Forest.
>>25926436
Or you know, we've played Gen I before. Dozens of times, in fact. It's like if Mario re-made SMB1's 1-1 in every fucking game that followed.
>>25926506
And nostalgia I'd basis for discounting the opinion altogether?
The original gameboy sucks compared to a 3ds, but does that make me regret selling mine any less? Pfft no. I really want a new one.
>>25926495
Oh for fucks sake, I never even noticed this.
I love how they didn't even leave the pathetic pandering as an aftergame bonus, they literally shove it in your face within the first 10 minutes of playing. That explains the wild Pikachu I guess.
>>25926456
>>25926461
Legendaries are still tough to catch, so there is an achievement in that.
And yeah, X/Y could use more new Legendaries, but putting in old ones still aren't a flaw. I'd say it's a good thing since someone who doesn't own HGSS may not be able to get the Bird Trio otherwise.
>>25926534
>remake =/= clever references
Dipshit.
>>25926495
>>25926538
Again, I am genuinely confused as how putting in tributes to older games is objectively bad. Do you guys really hate genwunners that much?
>>25926538
>they literally shove it in your face within the first 10 minutes of playing
>I never even noticed this
Impressive that you don't notice things literally shoved in your face.
>>25926525
but those have interesting hidden abilities.
>>25926548
There's nothing clever about X/Y's Gen I references, or your post.
>>25926555
>tributes
How is it a tribute?
None of the shit in X/Y is a tribute, it's just nostalgia pandering.
>>25926259
H e r e h a v e t h i s ( Y o u ) i t ' s o n t h e h o u s e
>>25926555
The issue is, really, that Genwunners just don't play Pokemon anymore.
Children who grew up with Gen 4 play Pokemon, and adults who've been playing Pokemon since it started play Pokemon.
That guy you met at the college drinking party last summer who can only remember Moltres, Pikachu, Mewtwo and Bulbasaur, and can't keep up with all the new ones, doesn't play Pokemon.
So why is there genwunner pandering at all? Yeah, a lot of stupid people eat it up because their familiar, but in the grand scope of things it's just sheer laziness. I can handle the genwunners, it's the pandering that gets to me.
>>25926259
>Your region was empty and boring so you had to fill it up with Kanto shit tricking nostalgiafags to buy the games
FTFY
also they could've done it in a much clever way but everything gets shoved in your face like "HEY LOOK AT THIS AND TAKE THIS AND THIS TOO IT'S (ALMOST) REALLY LIKE IN THE GAMES THAT STARTED IT ALL" and at the end it just results annoying more than interesting, i don't mind pandering as long as it's done in a good way
>>25926259
Gen 1 pandering in XY was bad, but at least it didn't hit Lucario pandering levels.
>>25926363
>>Throwing Mewtwo in some random cave
>>25926534
What point did I fucking miss, you brought up the release of rby like it was pandering when it was literally to commemorate the series's 20th birthday. That's not pandering. I didn't bother to address the other point in your post because it was true.
>>25926626
Every single pokemon is a ripoff of the originals, stop being so retarded.
>>25926555
I would have preferred Kalos to be its own thing. No Kanto starters, no Snorlax, no Lapras, no carbon copy of Virdian Forest, no endgame Mewtwo, no legendary birds. All of that just made Kalos feel watered down. Just fucking make Kalos have its own charm so people can remember it easily down the line like the other generations.
>>25926626
>no genwunners play anymore
You hold your fucking tongue.
I've been here since day 1. I stopped playing during 3rd gen, and came back toward the end of gen 4.
>>25926626
>So why is there genwunner pandering at all?
Because long time fans of the series still like RBY, so they enjoy little references, or getting the Kanto starters again.
/vp/ is the only place I have seen criticize X/Y for these things, and only because it annoys them for no real good reason.
>>25926626
There are Pokemon fans all over and video game series reference their first games all the time stop whining because no one cares about your precious Sinnoh.
>>25926363
>Complains about adding shit that makes the game easier
>Mewtwo, legendary birbs, and friend safari are all post-game.
>And Sun/Moon will just be pandering to Gold/Silver
It's going to happen, mark my words.
>>25926543
>>And yeah, X/Y could use more new Legendaries
Why?
>>25926654
A genwunner isn't just someone who started playing with Gen I, idiot.
>>25926655
I annoys them because they're underage and the games don't pander to whichever gen they started with.
>>25926634
Red and Blue
>hinted at during the storyline
>essentially the final boss of the game
>you have to travel through a huge, long maze like cave full of wild Pokemon to get to it
X and Y
>Literally just standing there to capture in some '''secret''' area
>hinted at a total of ZERO times throughout the game (except maybe a few CPUs or something maybe)
>Comes with a Mega Stone that essentially grants you a level of attack power higher than Arceus
>you don't even have to earn it, it just drops out it's ass
My poor wording aside, there's a difference here.
>>25926687
There was only fucking 3 legendaries. Only 2 in each game. Absolutely zero challenge into finding and catching them.
>there are people on this board that actually defend shit like this >>25926495
I thought I'd seen it all.
>>25926724
Good.
>>25926736
I hate all the forests equally.
>>25926741
Kids like you ruined Pokemon. Kill yourself.
>>25926709
Pokemon Villiage was at least a better place for the cave than Cerulean City.
>>25926259
>Tributes
Hohoho, no, this goes far beyond a tribute. Let's see...
>Very first wild encounter in the game is always a Pidgey, every time. Not even one of the new Pokémon, a Pidgey.
>Santalune Forest is literally a copy paste of Viridian Forest in terms of layout and even has all of the Pokémon from it.
>Kanto Starter gifted to you along with their mega stones before you get to the second gym.
>Snorlax blocking the road.
>First encounter with the bad guys is them trying to get fossils, exactly like Team Rocket.
>Free Lapras for no reason other than to reference the fact that you get one for free in Gen 1.
>More Gen 1 legendaries available than Gen VI legendaries.
All of this was terrible and shoved in your face. The only actual good "tribute" to Gen 1 in the entire game is some moves like Psychic using their Gen 1 sound effects.
>>25926652
>Just fucking make Kalos have its own charm
Trainer customization
>>25926363
>>oh, complete with a Mega Stone as well. As if the EXP. share wasn't enough, right? We need a Pokemon with base stats high enough to finger a fucking eagle to beat this piss easy game
The game's already beaten at that point so what's the issue?
>>25926908
Don't forget about Lysandre Labs having spin tiles and an elevator key hunt exactly like the Rocket Hideout.
And though it's an anime reference, we all know who the intended audience of Pikachu saying its name was.
>>25926281
this is just another part of how big a fuck up XY was
>>25926736
>being triggered by a fucking forest
>>25926908
literally none of that shit is terrible, and some of it (Kanto starters, free Lapras) is good.,
Either you guys are extremely autistic or are angry that you never played Gen 1 when you were kids.
Fuck me for wanting to see new Pokemon instead. We only got 70 of the things thanks to Gen 1 crybabies.
XY was great
3 > 6 > 2 > 1 > 4 >>>>>>>> 5
4=6>3>5>2>1
>>25927658
No it wasn't. Also your list is reversed.
>>25926259
>gamefreak felates itself instead of coming up with original ideas and improving the series
>>25927685
>5
>good
Black and white were utter shit which makes people think bw2 are better than they actually are
>>25927689
XY had plenty of new ideas. But /vp/ gets triggered by any sort of affection to gen 1.
>>25926527
>i'll just throw a random buzzword that doesn't even fit here just to be cool, that'll show him
It doesnt change the fact that X/Y is a bullshit game with 0 exploration, and a tiny map.
Fuck, im enjoying Hearthgold a fucking way more.
At least they notice that and made Hoenn remakes 100X way better than X/Y.
>>25927740
>0 exploration
Confirmed for ever actually playing gen 6
>>25927710
Most of /vp/ didn't grow up with Gen 1 and associate it with the REMEMBER X THING FROM THE 90'S? SO NERDY XD fags and feel left out when references are made to it.
Kinda reminds me of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Arc-V general from /a/, everytime the original series is mentioned or gets new support (or now with the new manga and movie) they get triggered so hard and go on about how those side projects and the likes are stealing their "gen's" spotligh.
>>25927710
That's because kids are jealous that they never got to experience gen 1 when it originally came out, before it was watered out and distilled into the current shitpile Pokémon is today. X/Y included.
>>25927609
The only genwunner argument
Fuck off we played it
>>25927774
Yeah way after it came out. Difference in playing it as the first game and playing it after already playing the newer games.
>>25927639
This is true. They were crying so hard at gen 5 and they listened.
>>25927709
Both were excellent and the best the series has ever been. Its embarrassing that X/Y followed from them.
>>25927709
Let me guess, the things you hate about Gen V are:
>ice cream / garbage pokemon
>being forced to use Gen V pokemon before E4 (only applies to BW)
>being more focused on story (again only applies to BW)
>region is "linear"
I'll ask you this, what did you think Gen V did right?
>>25927856
>>25927856
Ice cream line is actually one of my favorite, I liked using all new Pokemon.
>>25927856
I really liked the Ice Cream line. It was nice to finally have some normal pure-ice types. I think the only other evolution line was Snorunt.
>>25926709
Cerulean Cave in GSC is just as big as Mewtwo's cave in XY
>>25926421
>>25926463
If ORAS is anything to go by then, no, thanks, I'll stick to FRLG.
>>25927872
>>25927917
I personally didn't like either. Doesn't mean I would hate the whole dex for it.
>>25926363
You literally already beat the game at this point, making it "easier" is irrelevant because the thing to give you challenge is gone.
>>25926736
>>25926495
Except nobody even realizes this until someone posts the image. Did you also know Whitney's gym was in the shape of a Clefairy after playing it for the first time? Those fucking Gen 1 panderers, it should have been in the shape of a Snubbull.
>>25926325
You don't have to have Latios/Latias in your party to use the Eon Flute though, that's the best part. You don't need a flying type at all to fly on.
>>25926687
Because there are too many goddamn pokemon hidden behind fucking irl events. It's bullshit and everyone knows it. ORAS had the right idea with its dimensional rifts.
>>25927756
/a/rc-v here, I actually liked the nostalgia cards and metaphorically creamed myself at that Blue-Eyes stuff. The only thing the nostalgia did wrong with Arc-V was stealing the budget. I like the way they handle it since GX-ZeXal get their homages via Arc-V, meanwhile Pokemon gives Gen 2, 4 and 5 no place in the nostalgia ride, though the 20th anniversary stuff has been getting better now that RBY VC are released.
>>25927997
The two aren't even comparable. The forest is a out of place copy-paste from an older game. while the clefairy is an original idea that fit the theme of the gym
>>25928043
Except none of the Pokemon in the dimensional rifts were Pokemon locked behind irl events. HG/SS was the only game to throw a ton of legendaries at you and make them all have some special little in-game event. ORAS just hands them out.
>>25928067
nice reading comprehension, nerd
I can't wait for Johto pandering in SM!
>>25928067
>just hands them out
Unless you hacked in lots of master balls, catching legendaries has never been easy, in any gen. It's always a bullshit slog of "Shoot, it was so close too!", using a good 20 balls in the process. And god help you if the pokemon has recover so you have to spend more turns with false swipe.
>>25928067
>Climb rocks
>enter cave
>Groudon sitting there
>Catch rate of FIVE
>FIVE
>NOT THREE, F I V E
Wow fucking casual shit literally handed to me on a silver platter
I wouldn't have a problem with this if pokemon wasn't already formulaic as shit as it was. The core gameplay already reminds me so much of the first games since it's barely changed over the years. All these nods are just superfluous.
>>25928087
>implying it won't just be more Genwun pandering
>>25928108
Gee it's almost like they found what works and stuck to it.
It just felt like a bit much at times. Having all the direct references to gen one takes away from Kalos's identity.
>>25926259
Surfing Lapras was on GSC, not RGBY. RGBY instead had Surfing Seel.
>>25928087
>Johto starters
>being able to catch the legendary dogs
>Sudowoodo
>retards on /vp/ will call this bad anyways for autistic reasons.
>Complaining about /vp/ complaining
It might be fun if they had an area where you could catch 3 or 4 sets of the starters.
>>25926259
The Kanto starters I'm okay with.
Lapras and Snorlax are slightly annoying because you can tell they're just doing it for the genwunners.
Having ALL the Kanto Legendaries sans Mew is when things start getting noticeably annoying because they're clearly using it to cover up the fact that they forgot to make new Legendaries this Gen.
The thing that actually pisses me off is pic related. This is so blatant it hurts.
Also the Lucario pandering is worse than all of the above combined.
>>25926259
I mean the didn't reference any other games did they? Only Gen I.
>>25926281
This.
There's just way too much nostalgia pandering lately. Gen 5 was the only gen where there was none of it at all, but Gen 6 kicked it into overdrive and it's probably going to continue in S/M.
>>25926259
>the first forest is a copypasta of Viridian Forest
>>25926634
>implying they're comparable
There's a difference between a large, three floor dungeon and a one-room crevice.
>>25928011
You don't even have to have one at all. You can trade or release your Lati@s as you soon as you get it and you can still soar.
>>25928727
>Gen 5 was the only gen where there was none of it at all
Oh you're retarded
>>25926570
To be fair it's at a completely different camera angle, it's possible you aren't paying that close attention to things because of your rivals chatting your ear off the whole way through.
>>25928727
>Gen 5 was the only gen where there was none of it at all,
Perhaps, if you're not looking close enough.
The Unova pokedex was HEAVILY based off of Gen 1.
>>25928129
They meant getting Lapras as a gift, not the in-game model that appears when you surf with it.
>>25928780
>>25928834
How does having a gen with nothing but new Pokemon qualify as nostalgia pandering you dumbfucks?
>>25928780
>>25928834
Having the dex be based off Gen 1's isn't genwunner pandering, it's the opposite.
Bw2 had pokemon from other gens. Also bw1 dex is heavily inspired by gen 1's
we wouldn't be arguing about this stuff if x and y had a entertaining story mode to any degree
just saying
>Kalos Starter
>Kanto Starter
>Torchic
>Lapras
>Lucario
>Snorlax is a forced encounter
Three starters, a Lapras, a Snorlax, and a pokemon they keep shoving down your throat. How original.
See, the problem is that all the nostalgia pandering is in XY when it SHOULD be in SuMo.
>>25929125
>Lucario
>mfw I told that fucker he wasn't coming with me after all that annoying as fuck forced dialogue about how it wanted to suck my dick or something.
>mfw I walked out of the room the moment I said no and never went back.
>>25929165
I'm officially pandered out after XY/ORAS/RBY re-release so if there's any more shit I'm not going to be pleased.
>>25927756
I grew up with gen 1 you stupid faggot, but I got tired of Kanto ages ago and I don't want anything to do with it ever EVER again, I want new things not this nostalgia parade.
And the Yu-Gi-Oh shit is the same, just fanservice and pandering, doesn't help that a lot of those cards are worthless trash too.
>>25926447
>m-muh nostalgia
Fuck off you idiot, even you acknowledge that the only reason you think that way is your lame ass nostalgia.
I've played Red little after it came out, loved the starters as a kid, and didn't get buttflustered because they were made accessible again.
>>25928095
> Unless you hacked in lots of master balls, catching legendaries has never been easy
In this gen it's very easy.
Also,Git gud _______________________________________
>>25929390
Maybe if you only account for the mandatory captures (Reshiram, Zekrom, Mortality duo, Eon duo, and Fug) which only account for a small amount of Legendaries
>>25926363
>Kanto mid evolutions to catch in the fucking WILD using friend safari
I agree with you on everything but this. I liked catching wild Wartortle with Rain Dish.
>>25929469
Nope, I caught all the in-game legendaries and I´m a balltism-fag, plus I have both OR/AS.
