>"I use an all legendary team"
>you aren't allowed to use legendaries!
>but please battle my team of bros that consists of mega salamence, garchomp, blaziken, aegislash, greninja, and talonflame :)
>"I use a monotype Dark team"
>>25882982
Ahh, a fine choice. I see you're also buying Moon Version?
>>25882960
Everytime
>>25882960
Noone likes your genies
>>25882946
I still respect people who use all legendaries more than people who use stall teams.
At least legendary-fags try to have fun.
>you're in OU you should be using OU mons :P
>>25883090
how is stall not fun?
>Lando-T
>Tornadus-T
>Mega Sableye
>Clefable
>OU
>Fun
>>25882960
>L-Legendaries are just as strong as other Pokémon guys!
>It's just a COINCIDENCE that 75%-100% of my team are Legendaries!
Seriously, the fuck is up with this mindset?
Can the people who say this not see the fucking problem?
>>25883106
>Heatran
>Gliscor
>ferrorthorn
>genies
>OU
>Fun
>>25883102
Hope this is b8 but
>stallfag switching between M-Sableye, Amoonguss, Chansey and Slowbro over and over
>his opponent also having to switch over and over and barely land a hit
>stallfags mons all have recovery moves and take 50 hits before they faint
>It is turn 40 and only one Pokemon between the two teams has fainted
Stall is the cancer killing the metagame.
>>25883132
Heatran, Gliscor, and Ferrothorn are all slow or moderately quick and 4x weak to something (I know Lando-T is too, but he is incredibly fast and weakens shit when he hits the field).
>>25882982
Dark types are cool though
>>25883102
Stall is only fun for trying it once in a while or for tournaments.
You must have a shitty life in order to use it constantly on wi-fi or just to ladder.
>>25883136
>hyper offense using keldeo, garchomp, gengar, scizor, azumarill etc
>boost on everything
>fun
playing destructively is fun, trying to build a stall team with good synergy is fun, winning through playing carefully and through good predictions is fun
>>25883136
It may sounf whiny of me but the idea of a fight stackd in your favor is no fun at all. It's like playing a card game where the enemy keeps canceling out whatever you do. Sure it's probably satisfying to completely win for the winner, but in my eyes that's hardly much of a game in the first place. Might as well be playing with yourself.
>>25883171
What did you say?
*unsheathes katana*
Dark types are MY theme, noob...
*teleports behind you*
*Decapitates you with one clean stroke*
Nothin personnel... kid...
>>25883185
What I like best is a balanced approach: a team with both tanks and sweepers.
>>25882960
>Swinub used Ice Shard!
>Fletchling used Peck!
>Ledyba used Mach Punch!
>Geodude used Rock Throw!
>>25883106
I actually always liked Lando-T since it came out, even when everyone thought it was going to be shit back then.
I knew with such stats it was going to be good, just not the same as his incarnate form.
>>25883102
>>25883185
>>25883186
Stall is fun for the person playing it, and even then you need to be a certain type of person.
For anyone playing against a stall team, it's just boring.
>>25882982
>"I use a monotype Dragon team"
>>25883212
salamence and lando survive ice punches from lopunny
>>25883102
Stall IS fun... for me.
I don't care if my opponent is enjoying the game or not.
All that matters is that I win and have fun, and fun for me is making my opponent's hyper offense strategy shit.
>>25882982
>>25883218
What does /vp/ consider to be worse: People who use edgy monotypes (Dark, Fire, Dragon) or people who use metagame-y ones (Water, Fairy, Steel)?
>>25883229
>and fun for me is making my opponent's hyper offense strategy shit
this
>>25883229
This is why I run a wallbreaker team on OU.
It's worth it just to imagine the tears falling from the face of faggots like you.
>>25883202
>katana
>not a broadsword
Pleb
>>25883229
>I am afraid of loosing because this is the only thing I consider myself good at and it hurts my self steem
Why do I think you are in favor of the hoopa ban?
>>25883132
hahahah breeding a poison heal gliscor to back up my mega kangaskhan right now
>>25883235
Kek, steel monotype is shit, it hasn't been good since the start of X/Y with all the fucking bans.
Fairy is very matchup dependant, everything fucks it up but it has the ability of fucking up some stuff by itself.
>>25882982
Dark is too blatantly edgy, so /vp/ goes with Ghost-type instead in all those best type threads.
>>25883229
>MFW Serperior
>MFW Hoopa
>MFW Megacham
>MFW Azumarill
>MFW Manaphy
>MFW Mega Pinsir
>MFW Mega Gardevoir
>MFW Kyurem-B
Stall has always been easy to counter and the sole refuge of the talentless.
>>25883245
After collecting tears from many previous battles, a loss won't make me cry.
I can't win them all, and winning isn't the most important.
All that matters is that I get people to ragequit or waste over 200 turns just to have them lose.
I like Poison
:)
>>25883111
>There aren't regular Pokemon that are more powerful than most legendaries guys!
>It's just a COINCIDENCE that 75%-100% of my team are pseudos and op megas!
>>25883272
Here's your (You)
>>25883274
Nidoking was my bro back in Gen one.
>>25883272
>After collecting tears from many previous battles, a loss won't make me cry.
You must lose quite a lot though, seeing as stall teams never work in genuine tournaments and high ranked matches.
Feel free to prove me wrong and post your team, though.
>>25883272
You are a cool guy, I wish I could hang out with people like you.
>>25883270
congrats there are mons stall has trouble with
>>25883272
Is this what happened to the autist after he couldn't find a Lucario that was PROUD OF ITS POWER?
>>25883284
Not sure what part of my post was supposed to be bait, but thanks for the (you).
>>25883283
The whole point of megas is to have an OP pokemon
>>25883297
>seeing as stall teams never work in genuine tournaments and high ranked matches.
stall is literally at the top of most ladders
>>25883312
>congrats stall is unviable against anyone with a clue of how to teambuild
Fixed. Boy, you messed that up!
>>25883283
Look mate, the game itself is broken and inherently unbalanced. But you can't fucking deny the problem with Legendaries in competitive play, just by saying shit like;
>b-but Garchomp and M-Salamence!
>Is Phione OP t-too!?
IMO the entire game needs a rebalancing across the board. And there needs to be stricter official rules to crack down on blatantly overpowered Pokemon that would otherwise be on every team, which is a problem we have now. If they did that, the distinction between Legendaries and regular Pokemon would be more like how you claim. But right now, it isn't, period. No matter how much you insist.
>>25883324
CHALK isn't stall.
>>25883325
>i have a stallbreaker now stall is useless i win every match against them
k
>>25883283
Then play a tier below, faggot
>>25882982
>Zoroark
>Skuntank
>Greninja
>Spiritomb
>Mandibuzz
>Houndoom
Im not a god damn edgelord, fuck you.
>>25883324
>One Amoongus automatically makes it a stall team
I need to make a team of my favorite legendaries. Sadly outside of Thundurus-T I don't care for the genies, and Thundurus-T isn't really that good.
>>25883344
>i have a stallbreaker
Actually I use multiple, just like the majority of skilled players. Nice try though!
>>25883367
>Actually I use multiple
Then you have huge trouble against hyper offense
>>25883331
>. But you can't fucking deny the problem with Legendaries in competitive play
There is no problem with legendaries in competitive play. It's just retards getting butthurt with their schoolyard "no legendaries" mentality even though the majority of them aren't even that good.
>>25883345
Tell that to the fags bitching about legendaries.
>>25883344
>i have a stallbreaker now stall is useless i win every match against them
Unless I was below 1100 on Showdown I wouldn't even consider using stall, it's just not viable in a metagame where everyone uses M-Medicham, M-Gardevoir and Hoopa.
>>25883353
Your team is shit and you are still an edgelord, congratulimitations, fag.
>>25883371
Not really, my Amoongus usually sorts them out.
>Nidoking
>Tentacruel
>Venusaur
>Crobat
>Dustox
>Swalot
R8 and h8 and be nice because I have no idea what I'm doing.
>>25883372
Yeah, no, get fucked.
Like I said previously. When the majority of your team is Legendary, it's not a fucking coincidence. They're great Pokémon BECAUSE they're Legendary. Game Freak is obviously going to make their Legendary Pokémon have higher stats, ect. They have to stand out.
So when you take a group of these for your team, it's because these Pokemon were literally designed to be the absolute strongest to fit the lore surrounding them.
It's not a coincidence that these Pokemon are the best, and not a coincidence that a kids mostly-legendary team has those legendaries.
>b-but not even all the legandaries are good!
Literally changes nothing. Use your head.
>>25883424
>Using Nidoking without Nidoqueen
>>25883399
>everyone uses m-medicham, m-gardevoir and hoopa
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2016-03/ou-1825.txt
not really
>>25883409
Are you actually pretending you have a team that beats all playstyles and did you just say "Oh amoonguss beats hyper offense" without joking? Please
>>25883424
>Dustox
>Swalot
>No gengar
Do you even monotype bruh?
>>25883402
No, YOU'RE a shit. My team is perfection, nigga.
What's edgier: Dark or Dragon?
Jesus for a second i thought this thread was on /v/, how bad has this board gotten, it's incredible
>>25883451
Nice try, kid. Such a shame I already won the argument, though!
>>25883451
>M-Pinsir and Manaphy literally in the top 20
Thanks for proving my point
>>25883451
Oh, you're a showdownfag. My mistake. In that case, Clefable.
>>25883491
>a few stallbreakers in top 30
>stall is unviable now
I'm pretty much a newfag on competitive battling, so. How are m-medicham and m-gardevoir stallbreakers?
>>25883451
>7 of the top 20 are legendaries
>one of them is probably going to be banned soon anyway
>B-BUT MUH LEGENDARIES ARE THE PROBLEM GUISE
>>25883505
Stall IS unviable, get over it.
>>25883235
People who happen to like those types, but don't use them because they're considered edgy or tryhard.
But I fill my teams with edgy poisonshits and bugs so what do I know.
>>25883522
Now matter how often you repeat it it is not true. The upper ladders have a lot of stall teams and stall players and it is far from "unviable". Keep pretending you are this epic skilled player with a team that beats all others though
>>25883519
Medicham has Pure Power, basically giving it the highest attack in OU, which completely wrecks stallfags. Gardevoir is the same for Special Attack, plus STAB hyper voice is lethal.
>>25883530
Flying is the true tryhard monotype.
You can't get more tryhard than fucking flying, they even started banning the fuck out of it just to tone it down.
>>25883548
Keep pretending the ladder is full of stallteams if you like, nobody really cares. They're still shit.
>>25883521
>one of them is probably going to be banned soon anyway
That means that legendary IS a problem
>>25883562
>i dont care if many of the "skilled players" i have been rambling about actually use stall, they are still shit ad im le pokemon master because balance
>>25883564
no, the problem is that it's overpowered. That doesn't suddenly accuse all legendaries of being overpowered.
That's like saying megas are a problem just because salamence, kanga, lucario, and gengar got banned.
>>25883548
>The upper ladders have a lot of stall teams and stall players and it is far from "unviable". Keep pretending you are this epic skilled player with a team that beats all others though
This is could not be further from the truth. Not only in VGC, but in Smogon as well, the top tier players use mixed teams with hyper offensive megas (most notably Gardy and Cham). Also, everyone runs Taunt these days which stops stall teams cold. That's not even mentioning the prevalence of Magic Guard and Magic Coat.
Stall teams are dead in the water as soon as you hit 1200. I'm sorry, anon.
Can /vp/ name a monotype theme that isn't tryhard, edgy, shitty, or contrarian?
>>25883580
>Gardy
jirachi
>M-Cham
slowbro, fucking mega sableye
Also nobody uses stall below 1200
>>25883564
Nobody cares if they are a problem or not, legendary is not a status that influences what gets banned or not, only their stats.
Gamefreak has tried to make broken shit just for the sake of being "legendary" like kyurem and failed.
Getting rid of all the legendaries is one of the most retarded things you could do, and speaks volumes about your understanding of game balance.
You simply don't have enough knowledge, you opinion is just that, your opinion, and holds no value whatsoever.
>>25883604
Ground is pretty decent, isn't edgy, and can hold it's own enough to deal with some types.
>>25883605
congrats, you can counter common stallbreakers
![hydreigon[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0NByPpC.jpg "hydreigon[1].jpg")
>>25883470
Dark no question.
>>25883605
>Also nobody uses stall below 1200
Now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. Better luck next time!
>>25883610
>>25883579
I was just talking about that 1 legendary they said was getting banned soon.
>>25883604
Psychic, Ground, Ghost, arguably grass.
>>25883645
>Now I know you have no idea what you're talking about
i'm literally on showderp all the time which usually plays below 1200
>>25883653
Is it Landorus?
>>25883479
Ya it really sucks when people actually discuss the metagame and give their input and thoughts on strategies, I'd much rather see more waifu threads, fakemon threads, Tohu threads, and generic shitposting that really fits in with /vp/ culture.
>>25883658
Ghost is shitty and psychic is getting too tryhardy these days.
>>25883696
Isn't Psychic kinda shit?
>>25883710
Psychic has a ton of variety, and has a ton of advantage thanks to latis, mew, slowbro, hoopa-u and M-Gallade.
I haven't been around since the M-Slowbro/M-Gallade ban, so I don't know how good is it now, but after the bans in flying, psychic became the next best thing after water.
>>25882982
I unironically find dark and fire types the most appealing.
>>25883779
Gud for you, cool things are cool. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
>Unironically love Dragon types
>mfw people call me edgy on Showdown
>>25883680
problem's not about discussing one thing but how that one thing is being discussed
Where does everyone find battles? Passerby are shit, battle spot is shit, I hate showdown. What do?
>>25885409
Your only other option is to get friends, or find a group, or ask wifi general for battles I guess
I like Steel
>>25885624
Steel bros for life.
>>25883235
Since when is steel meta?
>>25885748
>>25885748
>aggron train
>train
>i like trains
Ground-types for the selective win
>>25883229
Are you collarfag?
>i only battle with my favorites
>team consists of Megamom/garchomp/blaziken/greninja/heatran/genie
yeah i'm so sure those are favorites
>>25887648
why not? Favorites don't have to be shitmons that you only love for their design.
>>25887648
>you can't have favorite pokemon that also happen to be good
That's you. That's how retarded you look.
>>25887794
>>25887827
i can buy greninja and garchomp, but i doubt people actually like heatran or the genies.
>>25887866
I like Landorus-T designwise. I hate it now because it annoyed the fuck out of me in VGC last season.
>>25887866
You can't just say or imply that as fact, it's silly. I myself don't personally care for Heatran or the Genies, but I'm certain that there's someone out there who does. Different strokes for different folks.
>>25887827
>>25887794
I unironically refuse to believe anybody likes the Genies designs.
And I will cut off my dick and eat it before I believe someone when they say that it's one of their favorites.
Don't care how smarmy I sound, either. The Genies are abominations.
I even like the fucking trash/ice cream mons. I just cant fucking stand the Genies.
Anybody who uses a Genie is NOT doing so because they like the Pokemon, but is doing so for the sole purpose of using the best of the best/most OP/cheapest Pokemon (depending on your view on competitive and the Genies in competitive play)
>>25883550
Attack stat only means so much. How does his actual moves and output damage stack up to shit like Staraptor's Brave Bird and Kyurem's Outrage?
>>25887927
This. I don't care how much of a prick i sound, nobody likes the genies based on design. They like them because it's a tool for winning.
>>25883212
Level 100 252+ Atk Ledyba Mach Punch vs. Level 50 0 HP / 0- Def Greninja: 112-134 (76.1 - 91.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>25887935
Just did some quick calcs. Staraptor is crazy strong, only choice band kyurem is stronger
>>25887866
I'm the one guy who actually likes the genies. I never use them, but I like them.
Team before ORAS move tutors
>OU, OU, UU, UU, NU, UU
After ORAS move tutors
>Uber, OU, OU, OU, NU, UU
>>25887927
>>25887957
piss off, i like genies mainly because of hilarity factor of colored muscular men in clouds fighting animals
fuck therian formes though, they can go to hell
>>25887927
>>25887957
They're my favorite legendaries. I like them for the Toriyama-ish vibe they have going. And I don't use them in battle.
>>25887935
Banded Reckless Staraptor does a little bit more with Brave Bird than M-Medicham does with high jump kick (against a target neutral to both). Medicham does more though if you factor in its ability to use fake out first.
>>25888116
Oh also Medicham gets the elemental punches, whereas Staraptor doesn't have many good coverage options.
>>25882982
>"I use a Fighting monotype team"
>>25882946
Does it even matter now that megas are more powerful than most legendaries?
>>25887927
better chop off your dick then, faggot
>>25887957
also samefagging this hard
>>25888038
>>25888052
Sorry, I just cant understand it. From any angle.
>Extra trio of Legendaries in a Gen that sure as fuck didn't need it
>Said Legendaries already have their In-Universe roles filled (Raikou to Thunderus for example)
>Ugly as shit designs
>Each Genie is almost just a color-swap, they're so similar
>Abominable second forms that are hands down the ugliest Pokémon possible. (And no a "its supposed to be ugly" way either, like Garbador. Just straight up eye-sore designs)
>Last but not least, they're insanely powerful, and became mainstays on almost every damn team in competitive play
Sorry if I sound like an asshole, but I just see no way to like the Genies from any angle, be it game play, design, lore, anything.
I love Pokemon from all gens, and wouldnt remove a single one, except the Genies. I fully wish they didnt exist and I believe with 100% certainty that the games would be better if they didnt exist, if only in a small way.
>>25888284
shock of shocks, two anons have the same opinion!
>>25888284
Not samefagging.
Disliking the genies is a common opinion. I'd even say its the vast majority opinion.
>>25888291
That's your opinion, but things shouldn't be removed just because of some people, because surprinsingly enough, others might actually like them.
I personaly love Thundurus-T and Lando-T, and while I only find myself using the later in competitive play, I am still grateful those two are in the game.
>>25883796
This. Fire and Dark are filled with some of the best designed pokemans
>none of your irl pokemon friends ev train or even try to get decent natures
>you often go 5-0 just with UU or NU mon teams against them
Fuck I wish I could go back to the gen 3 or 4 days of not caring/not knowing about shit like that
>>25888393
Why is fired considered edgy again?
>>25888436
I don't even know mate.
>>25888291
This
>>25888284
Hahahahaha fuck you faggot, go back to smogon
>>25883229
And there's nothing wrong with that; just know that you have autism, and it's evident to anyone reading your post.
Autists love being in their own little world, and that's what stall players are doing. This is a competitive video game. If you want to have a relaxing, tranquil experience, go lie on the hammock for a little while. Get your thumb out of your ass and get good already.
>>25888436
Bottom right
>>25887866
Tornadus is a cool bird, shame its just a lesser kyogre lore wise, but design wise i think its neat.
Its got a freaky human face though, so like 7.5/10
As someone who recently got back into pokemon, I only don't like legendary teams because it just seems uncreative.
Instead of making your own team, or even copying smogon to try to understand new strategies or pokemon, most players just have rayquaza darkrai and another random legend, usually Groudon.
And canon wise since legends are supposed to be "omg so rare" I just don't like seeing them on so many teams.
But most of those are kids who you will wreck with a decent strategy anyway.
>>25889697
>This is a competitive video game
R8 my karenfag team.
>Meowstic F
>Mismagius
>Gothitellle
>Porygon Z
>Beheyeem
>Deoxys
>>25893390
Needs more Meowstic M
>>25893401But I don't like Meowstic M.
>>25893390
karen/10
HAVE FUN HAVING FUN WITH MONS YOU ACTUALLY LIKE LOSER
>I don't have an all Steel team
>>25883255
>steel monotype is shit
>being this retard.
Steel is literally best type in the game, back to bw days was the best defensive type and yet of of the best offensive type. Even in XY it didn't lost that much.
>>25888422
For me it's kinda the opposite. Once we started breeding proper mons some of them didn't stop unless every single one of them had at least 5 perfect IVs and such.
I mean the battles are cool but you're fucked if you just want to try out a new mon without going through too much hassle
>>25883434
...Is it really possible to be this stupid?
>Pokemon not being good changes nothing, they're still OP.
Really?
Ok, honest answers now. When's the last time one of the legendary bird trio gave you any REAL trouble? As in, "wow, my common mons cannot fight this legendary beast."
When's the last time the Lake Trio wrecked your shit, repeatedly?
How about the Regis?
The FACT is, "Legendary" is nothing more than a term used to give specific pokemon a higher status in the Lore of Pokemon. They are given "generally" higher stats than normal as to make them appear challenging to the common casual pokemon players, further justifying their "legendary" status.
But when it comes to Practical competitive usage, a pokemon's arbitrary position in lore does not reflect it's ability to preform in battle.
There are legends that are OP, Because they were made to be challenging for your average playthrough of the game, and in turn were given a very good stat distribution, move-pool, and abilities to compensate.
But lets be real, if they didn't have "legendary" attached to them, you'd think half the legends suck competitively too.
>>25893446
Steel is a good type you fucking moron, monotype isn't.
Monotype means a team of 6 pokemon with at least one type in common, meaning you play with a team of 6 steel type pokemon you dumb piece of shit.
Steel monotype was the best during BW and XY, but after ORAS came out and they started to ban shit, it became complete shit.
>>25893721
I get you man, I usually try to only shoot for 3 perfect ivs myself if it's too much hassle
>>25888038
incarnate forms aren't pokemon
simple as that
therian forms are fine
>>25883229
God I really hope Hoopa-U isn't banned. It seems all the OU council are a bunch of stall try hards
