HAPPENING
GEN 6.5 FAGS BTFO
>>25882857
>fin the owl
If I see that goddamn owl one more time...
Have we seen this owl with its eyes closed before? I can only find the one lone picture of it.
At this point I wish it would be real. Grass starters are crap anyway besides Venusaur and Sceptile. Might as well enjoy the reactions to smugowl.
>>25882995
>Have we seen this owl with its eyes closed before?
Yes
>>25882857
>Adventure Time
>>25883051
>venusaur isn't shit
Fuck you, Venusaur ruined Ivysaur and I hope you get hurt by the ones you love
enough with the fucking owl already
>>25883089
ah joke on you cause no one loves me ah ah.... ah ah
![tumblr_m703oqEDfC1rn8fz5o1_500[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/fjll2PZ.png "tumblr_m703oqEDfC1rn8fz5o1_500[1].png")
>>25882919
More like Finn the new Cosmic Owl.
>>25882857
Owlfags are almost as bad a Gen6.5fags
>>25883080
You're doing it wrong.
>>25882972
>>25883124
>>25883273
So what would the three of you do/say if this owl were to be a real Pokemon? Would you complain more, shut up and accept it, or abandon the series?
Gen6/6.5 faggots have already been BTFO but keep changing their definition of what a generation is. Between all the cocks they suck they can talk about mechanics, graphics, plot, and pentagon all they want. New Pokemon = New Generation.
And just before one of those cum chuggers replies to this saying ORAS introduced new megas, wipe the crusty cum off your face so you can see things clearly. Mega Pokemon do not get a new number in the national/regional dex. They are forme changes. Forme changes are NOT new pokemon.
>>25882857
I-i drew another picture of my owl, surely /vp/ will believe it's real this time
>>25885195
How's new Pokémon not a pattern compared to battle mechanics?
>>25885260
>Muh Mechanics
Ahhh, the ol' 6.5 fag mating call.
>>25885273
At least bring an argument, but you never do that when you make these threads so it's safe to assume you have none. At least, you have none that are on any solid ground.
>>25885327
>tips fedora.
I wish I could be as euphoric and enlightened as you.
Fuck off. 6.5 "evidence" is about as useful as any of the evidence used to convict OJ Simpson in the 90s.
Oh, wait...
>>25885368
I'm saying Gen 6, not "6.5", anon.
Yes, there's a clear difference.
Yes, "6.5" is equal to what the term feminist is these days.
No, I'm not more or less intelligent than the average.
No, your reply is not an argument, it is a shitpost.
>>25885396
Denying gen 7 puts you in the same basket as 6.5 fags.
yes, you are less intelligent if you don't believe gen 7.
No, your evidence isn't relevant. It's just shitposting fuel.
>>25885437
You know what's shitposting fuel? >>25882857
Anyway, want to debunk the notion that mechanics aren't patterns? You seem eager to, but holds it back for seemingly no reason.
>>25885396
Gen 2 wasn't called gen 1.5 even with being an extention of Kanto.
New Pokemon = New Generation.
I don't get how you guys don't understand that.
>>25885457
Already have. New Pokemon = new generation.
If you fags can goalpost up, gen 7 friends can do it the other way.
Sun and Moon are generation 7 games.
>>25885472
No, you just stated something. It doesn't describe your theory on how mechanics are patterns.
>>25885470
That's not what I'm arguing about. Any ".5" things are retarded, anyway.
>>25885457
>the notion that mechanics aren't patterns
What do you mean by this? Like, seriously. I'm really wondering.
>>25882857
Unless it's a prehistoric owl they'll never make an owl a grass starter.
Imhfo its going to be that fucking lemur that was leaked a few days ago. The water starter is going to be the dolphin
Gen 1 can only battle with Gen 1
Gen 2 can only battle with Gen 2
Gen 3 can only battle with Gen 3
Gen 4 can only battle with Gen 4
Gen 5 can only battle with Gen 5
Gen 6 can only battle with Gen 6
If SM can battle with XY it's Gen 6. Otherwise it's Gen 7. End of story.
And new Pokemon doesn't "btfo" gen 6.5 fags. The whole basis of 6.5 is that there ARE new Pokemon.
>>25883080
>Photoshop
>>25885492
Then what are you saying?
>>25885492
Disprove new Pokemon = new generation first.
Oh wait you can't. That's why you keep clinging to muh mechanics, graphics, pentagon, etc.
>>25885494
He seems to think that new Pokémon equals to new Generation and that battle mechanics aren't anything but patterns, when it's really the other way around.
>>25885526
>>25885494
New Pokémon without new Generation? I can see that.
New Generation without new Pokémon? What the fuck, no one would fucking believe that.
>>25885509
>The whole basis of 6.5 is that there ARE new Pokemon.
No, that's your definition of what a "6.5" would be. "6.5" is merely a label with user-defined definitions which NO ONE has agreed upon. See: today's use of feminism.
Else, you're correct here.
>>25885518
Battle mechanics define a generation.
Reminder that Primals are recoded Megas. Reminder that Primals are banned from battling X/Y anyway.
Reminder that 5th gen had different battle mechanics from 4th gen, such as Wish changes, Sleep counter and a good bunch more.
>>25885526
Prove new poke = new generation first
>>25885591
Gold, Silver, Ruby, Sapphire, Pearl, Diamond, black, white, x, and y.
>>25885591
He doesn't need to prove it. >>25885622
oops l o l he did
It's because every generation has had new mons, which is a goddamn given regardless.
I would like to state things about new mons are already being introduced mid-gen, but people are spouting shit related to the Pokédex, which concerns nothing as its literally a convenient information tool.
I hate when people are arguing over that Hoopa Unbound and other such forms that didn't exist before aren't in fact new things at all. I'd like to also say this applies to new moves and abilities as well. They're new, people need to deal with it.
That said, no reason not to have new mons introduced in S/M, banning them from battling with XY/ORAS. It's in Game Freak's best interest to not patch those games, but still allow them to battle with everything that X/Y set as base.
>>25885692
This is goal posting at its finest. If the games aren't compatible they are gen 7.
Of course then you move the goal post up and say even if you can't it's still gen 6 because it's in gamefreaks best interest not to patch XYORAS.
Top fucking lol.
>>25885717
>If the games aren't compatible they are gen 7.
This is true. OR/AS are compatible with X/Y, so they are still gen 6. See >>25885509
>even if you can't it's still gen 6 because
Even if you can't what? Battle? If you can't battle, it's gen 7. Is this what this "strawmanning" term is?
>This is goal posting at its finest.
It's literally a foundation. It's more grounded than new mons because we've literally gotten things mid-gen before, as I've stated.
>>25885771
Not new Pokemon.
New Pokemon = new generation.
You still haven't disproved that though. But, sure. Keep deflecting.
What do you guys mean when you say Gen 6.5? Do you mean like Moon and Sun with X and Y engine?
>>25885183
>shut up and accept it
That one. But until that happens, fuck you all.
I swear to God, get that stupid fucking owl out of here.
>>25885797
They mean Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, BW2, those are the .5s of the generations.
>>25885811
If that was the case, why wouldn't they call it X&Y2, or Z?
>>25882857
Was it confirmed?
>>25885825
Nothing, it's just ironic 6.5 shitposting.
>>25883051
>Torterra
>shit
>>25885789
Nice burden of proof
>>25885797
People spouting "6.5" are either falseflaggers or retards when selecting their word usage. See >>25885590
Some of their arguments are really good, however. See the wise people who bring up actual inequality things but label themselves as feminists.
Else, S/M being gen 6 is basically what you said, but more dependent on being able to battle with XY/ORAS; same battle mechanics.0
>>25885824
We don't really know what the hell Game Freak is up to yet. Nothing is confirmed.
>>25885825
Hasn't been as of yet.
>>25885183
Wouldn't care. We're getting Magearna and at least two new Zygarde forms, so it won't matter with new mons anyway.
>>25885840
No, it's like one guy or something making the same thread over and over to try get his weak points across and get a bunch of responses.
>>25883051
All grass starters except Serperior are 10/10, this owl would be worse than Serperior who takes a 10/10 Smugleaf and becomes a 0/10, this Owl...is fucking worse.
>Another thread gets derailed by 6.5 vs 7
Pretty sure everybody just has some kind of weird boner for the idea of discussing it.
>>25885908
>Another thread gets derailed by 6.5 vs 7
>OP says "GEN 6.5 FAGS BTFO"
>>25885883
>nice burden of proof
That's how evidence goes retard.
You still haven't disproved it yet... Hmmmm.
>>25885921
>You still haven't disproved it yet...
That's because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not the person doubting it.
>>25885789
>>25885921
Also, you've gotten it backwards anyway. Twice.
Prove to me how battle mechanics are just a pattern like you're implying.
Second, a new generation will yield new mons regardless. That's a reliable pattern, the other way around isn't. Why? Check >>25885692
and >>25885771
>>25885930
I see. In other words, you can't disprove it.
Cool, at least that's cleared up.
>>25885945
Prove how new Pokemon aren't a just a pattern like you imply.
>>25885512
>MS Paint
>>25885972
>In other words, you can't disprove it.
You can't disprove I'm the Queen of England.
>>25885883
>Nice burden of proof
Gen 1: 1-151 Pokemon
Gen 2: 152-251 Pokemon
Gen 3: 252-386 Pokemon
Gen 4: 387-493 Pokemon
Gen 5: 497-649 Pokemon
Gen 6: 650-721 Pokemon
HUH I GUESS EVERY GENERATION DOESNT HAVE NEW POKEMON, HOW BOUT DAT DERE LOGIC JIMBO, HE DUN GOT SMURT ON US.
>>25885998
Someone as elegant as the Queen wouldn't be having a childish fit on 4chan.
>>25885998
And you can't disprove it's not gen 7, your majesty.
>>25886012
In other words, you can't disprove it.
>>25885994
>Kiznaiver
>>25886012
You can't disprove that I'm not a rapper.
>>25886020
Except I just did it.
>>25886029
Your english is too good to be a rapper.
>>25886033
You're supposed to DISPROVE that I'm NOT a rapper.
>>25885972
That's not what I'm implying.
>>25886002
See >>25885590
>>25886029
Well, that could only mean I'm the super hot fire extinguisher.
>>25886033
>Except I just did it.
Speculation and expectation are not proof young lady.
>>25886051
If new pokemon are added, that makes it Gen 7.
That's like saying, well Gold and Silver could be Gen 1.5 guys, it just happens to have new Pokemon. I mean Kanto is there and everything.
That's fucking retarded.
>>25886027
>Madoka Magica
>>25886045
>You're
Too accurate to be a rapper, there disproven.
>>25886079
Only losers post on 4chan, myself included. The Queen of England wouldn't post on 4chan, therefore you aren't the Queen of England. There disproven.
>>25882857
I'm so glad that hideous thing is just a shitty fakemon.
>>25886122
Again, that's not evidence little miss.
>>25886122
>Too accurate to be a rapper, there disproven.
You're only PROVING that I'm not a rapper.
>>25886144
No, it's called logic, something you apparently don't have.
>>25886051
That's not what you're implying because you know it will blow your argument apart.
>>25886152
Do you know what the definition of disprove means?
>>25886153
Logic based in fallacy.
Empirical at best.
>>25886162
Yes, and I said to disprove that I'm NOT a rapper, not to disprove that I AM a rapper.
>>25886097
>agar.io
>>25886083
I'm saying that ".5" is retarded. I'm arguing S/M for gen 6. G/S/C are gen 2, OR/AS are gen 6, as if I needed to state this.
If a new generation is upcoming, you expect new mons. There's not a single case where this is incorrect, as you can see with >>25886002
Is there a case where new mons have been coming out of nowhere in the same generation? Yes there have. See my previous posts as I've quoted so many times now.
>>25886161
What?
>Prove how new Pokemon aren't a just a pattern like you imply.
I'm not implying that new mons aren't a pattern, anon. Everything's a pattern here, but some are way stronger than others in both logically and common sense.
>>25886193
Janitors aren't allowed to announce that sort of thing.
>>25886193
Thank fucking god, getting tired of this one guy wanting his fucking baited responses and his "GEN 7!!!!" verdict before anything's been even confirmed.
>>25886192
New Pokemon
New region.
New generation.
But please tell me how mechanics disproves either of those?
>>25886208
>Still baiting.
I didn't even consider the possiblity of it being a 6.5 gen, I mean in the pkmn direct he even says " it's a new generation of Pokemon" so..like..what gives?
>>25886206
I'm not a janitor. Otherwise, I'd bein big trouble for letting you know this.
>>25886209
Well obviously we're not going to get any new mechanics in Sun and Moon.
>>25886208
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>>25886192
If SM was Gen 6 than why can't we transfer from VGC RBY to XYORAS? SM should have the exact same mechanics to qualify as Gen 6.
stop posting that fucking owl everyday
kill yourself timmy
>>25886238
Provide proof.
>>25882857
I can't be the only one who thinks owl is based as fug
>>25886254
Provide disproof!
>>25886192
>Getter Robo
>>25886184
You just said the exact same thing, in fact you already said that I prove you wrong, that's what disprove means, to prove something is false.
Are you honestly retarded? I'm legit asking.
>>25886192
>>25886274
>Dominion Tank Police
>>25886259
There is no evidence to suggest SM does not have new mechanics.
>>25886294
There's no evidence to suggest SM does have new mechanics.
>>25886308
So why hasn't it happened yet?
>>25886209
New mons? It clearly gives off an indicator of a new generation, but that's just because of a pattern we're used to seeing. That being a new generation giving us new mons, as obvious as that is.
New region? I would say it's comparable to B2/W2. Actually, a lot is pretty comparable to those two. Whatever, as I said it IS an indicator for a new gen. You can't have Masuda saying "there'll be surprises" and take patterns for granted anymore, though.
Mechanics don't disprove anything. I'm saying doubt gen 7 until we know the battle mechanics because it's something that is core to defining a generation.
>>25886238
>>25886294
Don't spout claims like this without confirmation, proof or evidence.
>>25886308
oh hi, uhm, thread scanner? You don't seem to read a lot of threads and you seem to side with OP so that's weird
>>25886304
New Pokemon always accompany new mechanics which accompany a new generation.
In other words new Pokemon = new generation.
>>25886328
>New Pokemon always accompany new mechanics
Explain how these are connected. New mechanics are a result of a new gen, as all other things also are.
Can gen 6/6.5 fags please give me info on why you think its gen 6/6.5?
Like so far all you fags is give your opinion on what a generation means, but you don't give reasons why S/M isn't a new gen.
We say "The PCI said it's a new gen!" and you say "It isn't because of this one usage of generation that is kinda finnicky!", but you don't say why it wouldn't be a new gen in the first place. You get me?
>>25886279
>that's what disprove means, to prove something is false.
And I am saying that you cannot prove that the claim "I'm not a rapper" is false. You have only proven that by proving that said claim is true.
>>25886348
Don't bother brother. Masuda himself could say it and they'd goalpost their definition of a generation.
New Pokemon has always meant new generation. Period.
>>25886348
Literally everything of and in gen 6 + everything after OR/AS were released, as in the upcoming movie and shit.
Remember: "6.5", "1.5" is bullshit. S/M being gen 6 isn't out of the question. That's what I stand for.
>>25886364
Well this has gotten out of hand
>>25886373
I would not. You're saying that I am, but you kinda have to PROVE I am moving the goal post. Let's see you put up some actual PROOF for this one, as we've had Pokémon for 20 years now.
Remember: "6.5", "1.5" is bullshit. S/M being gen 6 isn't out of the question. That's what I stand for.
>>25886327
B2/W2 was still in Unova.
>>25886348
>Can gen 6/6.5 fags please give me info on why you think its gen 6/6.5?
Zygarde's signature moves are in XY and XY has exactly 2 extra pentagon slots.
>b-but it could be unused!
It's unlikely that they would put in moves and animations just to not use them
>b-but it's just for a cancelled Z!
They never had Z planned. This is evidenced by Masuda flat out saying he didn't want to do a predictable Z version and the fact that the Strange Souvenir guy hints at the Hawaii region SM is going to take place in. So they had plans for SM all the way back during SM development.
Also it's obvious that Zygarde's formes are going to be involved in SM. Zygarde = Earth. Earth's counterparts are the Sun and Moon. Zygarde has colored hexagons that match the Sun/Moon logos. Zygarde's signature moves are Thousand Arrows (arrows are like the sun rays) and Thousand Waves (Moon influences tidal waves)
Fact of the matter is I still have no reason to assume these games are gen 7. Sure it has a new region and Pokemon. That much is obvious. But if everything else is like gen 6 (the PSS/amie/super training/battle scene/move animations/overworld models/etc). Then it should still count as gen 6.
>>25886431
Explain why Johto isn't Gen 1.
>>25886431
>So they had plans for SM all the way back during XY development*
>>25886445
Gen 2 has different mechanics and can't battle with gen 1. And the graphics aren't the same as Gen 1.
>>25886429
Yes, but had brand new locations.
Also, Orre is gen 3, right?
>>25886445
Because it has different battle mechanics from G/R/B/Y
>>25886373
What if Spiky-Eared Pichu happened to take up Pokédex slot 494 in HGSS? Would HGSS be a new generation?
>>25886454
>>25886460
Okay. Now then, why do you suspect S&M won't have new mechanics and updated visuals?
>>25886431
>Earth's counterparts are the Sun and Moon.
>>25886418
The goalpost has already been moved in this thread. More than once.
>>25886487
>Now then, why do you suspect S&M won't have new mechanics and updated visuals?
Read the post. Pentagon having exactly 2 slots left implies that it's meant for the same generation of directly compatible games. Otherwise it's pointless and they may as well just make a new system. Zygarde moves are also so Zygarde can keep the moves when battling with XY players or trading to them.
>>25886490
Yes, you greentexted a part of my post. I'm not sure what your point is.
>>25886470
New formes do not mean new Pokemon. This has already been discussed.
>>25886523
If it has a new Pokédex slot it's a new Pokémon, unless Nidoran Male and Nidoran Female are the same Pokémon to you.
>>25885590
By that definition, then the 2nd 5th gen game is a new generation too.
>>25886470
Obviously because of how much these people clamor to the definitions given to them by the Pokédex, denying that Mega Metagross, Primal Groudon, Hoopa Unbound, Delta Stream and Origin Pulse are not new, just like >>25886523 is doing right now.
>>25886487
I'm not directly suspecting that. I'm suspecting that because of me suspecting that S/M are gen 6, which would make me indirectly suspect that it won't. I'm open for answers, obviously. Can't wait for confirmation on things.
>>25886490
Well, almost everything in X/Y are based off of Norse mythology right?
There, people thought the sun and moon orbited the earth. Just throwing that out there.
>>25886512
Sure, but not by me. I'd like proof of it being moved by me and what exactly has been moved by anyone advocating for gen 6 S/M anyway.
>>25886549
No, that's under your own definitions that say "New REGION = New GENERATION"
It's fucking obvious that we're getting new things in a new genertaion. Hello ? ? ?
>>25886554
>Well, almost everything in X/Y are based off of Norse mythology right?
I can't tell if you're shitposting or are genuinely retarded anymore.
>>25886612
Well, prove that the lore and the box legends aren't deeply rooted in Norse mythology, then?
>>25886627
>three legendaries
>nearly everything
That's actually retarded.
The box legends don't mean the entirety of X and Y.
The story itself isn't.
>>25886654
>the lore
>it also involved the legendaries
>still not nearly everything
Anyway, where's the proof at?
>>25886660
Story =/= lore, anon.
>>25886518
>muh pentagons
Those literally don't mean anything
>>25886690
They're as good of indicators as "new Pokémon" are. They "prove" exactly as much.
>>25886679
What was Norse mythology about the lore, other than the legendaries being loosely based on it? And since when are three legendaries "Everything"?
>>25886690
>Those literally don't mean anything
Says who
i wouldn't dislike the idea of this owl if it wasn't so poorly designed
if it's real its evolutions better make up for it
>>25886679
>Story =/= lore, anon.
Moving the goal post, as expected.
>>25886716
Literally read up on Norse mythology and everything lore material in XY/ORAS.
Anyway, I'm waiting for the debunking stating that Norse mythology has NOTHING to do with XY/ORAS.
>>25886733
Because the lore explained with for example the Pokémon war 3000 years back isn't in the mainline story ? ? ? ? Yeah, moving the goalpost! Yes, I did it! Oh, I probably didn't and you're just spouting "muh goal post".
>>25886765
The burden of proof is on you, as you have yet to tell me what you think is "Norse" about the lore, other than the legendaries. Give me something to work with, or I'll just get bored of your obvious baiting.
>>25886033
but more like a raper.
>>25886789
>The burden of proof is on you
Oh, okay sure
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=x+and+y+norse+mythology
The lore is super goddamn long and I'm not gonna type it all out. It would take ages to connect everything to Norse mythology just because of how much there is. It took me a good hour to just piece Zygarde together.
Anyway, you're the claimant that there isn't anything, so I'd like to hear from you, too.
>>25887002
Okay, now I know you're trying to be ironic.
>>25886289
>pulp fiction
>>25887012
Irony? Well yeah actually ironing your arguments as we speak.
Play the games and find out for yourself. It's a shame you haven't actually read up on Norse mythology, you would have a better time not shitposting non-arguments like we both are, right now with THIS reply of mine. Damn.
>>25885509
It won't be able to battle with Gen 6 if there's new Pokemon, and we already know there will be. And no, forms aren't new Pokemon.
>>25887145
>it won't be able to with Gen 6 if there's new Pokemon
Literally do what OR/AS did with everything those introduced; just disallow them from being used when battling X/Y.
>>25887145
>It won't be able to battle with Gen 6 if there's new Pokemon
No. ORAS had new incompatible megas and it could still battle with XY. They can just make the player remove new Pokemon from their party before battling the same way ORAS makes you remove new megas and any of the new moves from your party.
>>25886700
>unused hidden data proves more than real brand new Pokemon
how delusional
>>25887164
>>25887168
Forms aren't new Pokemon. Jesus Christ.
>>25887255
New mons "prove" new region. Pentagons "prove" same gen.
>proves more
Reading comprehension?
>>25887274
See first thing in >>25886554
It doesn't matter, in technicality, things like new megas and new forms function EXACTLY the same in terms of compatibility as far as this gen goes.
>>25887274
>>25887304
Regardless, as I said they would just ban them from battling with X/Y. It doesn't matter what they actually are. Get it to your fucking head already.
>>25887340
What about new moves, abilities and items on old Pokemon? Ban them all too right? What's the point of even making them compatible if you're going to have to many restrictions?
>>25887359
Yes, new moves and abilities would be banned. If there are new items, yes, then ban them as well.
Now, the new moves/abilities introduced in OR/AS were specifically new to the already new mons in M. Rayquaza, Primals and Hoopa Unbound.
It's safe to assume it won't introduce new moves that are avaliable to common mons, but if it does they would need to ban that from being used as well. I guess you can think of Sky Drop, I think.
>>25887413
>were specifically new to the already new mons
Were specifically exclusive to the already new mons, excuse me.
>>25886431
This is exactly the kinda shit I just said doesn't make sense.
Sure, two moves being unused can POSSIBLY mean S/M isn't a new gen...but why does it HAVE to mean that?
Why can't the two moves just be unreleased? Why can't they be unused? Why does it mean that S/M is gen 6/6.5?
>>25887689
>Why can't the two moves just be unreleased? Why can't they be unused? Why does it mean that S/M is gen 6/6.5?
like I said in the post. It's unlikely that they made these moves just to not use them. They plan things ahead exactly so they don't waste time not implementing things that won't be used. Yes there has been unused data before. But not this much unused data.
>>25887723
While it is unlikely they were made without plans to use them, it is fairly likely that it was made right before a message from Nintendo came down to say scrap a bunch of gen 6 plans to make a brand new game for the pokemon 20th. Special occasions can change schedules
>>25887723
>>25886518
>Pentagon having exactly 2 slots left implies that it's meant for the same generation of directly compatible games.
That's hardly a guarantee.
>>25887859
It's not less likely then what's stated in >>25887835
>>25887835
Game Freak is one of Nintendo's last golden geese. They would not bring the hammer down on a finished game for an anniversary (which matters more to Game Freak than them, mind you). That would be utterly insane.
I do think it is remotely possible that SM constitute an effective "Z version" but it is just that - remote. The rest of this conjecture about scrapped plans and Nintendo railroading Game Freak's development schedule is just ludicrous.
>>25887835
>it is fairly likely that it was made right before a message from Nintendo came down to say scrap a bunch of gen 6 plans
That makes no sense. They don't just suddenly scrap a bunch of games they have in the pipeline. Is that what theory you gen 7 assumers are holding onto? jesus that's a stretch. You're aware that they KNOW the special occasion is coming and they plan things in advance, right?
>>25888042
>They don't just suddenly scrap a bunch of games they have in the pipeline.
Happens all the time in the industry. Even in rare occasions when the games are complete.
>>25888081
Yeah, but it's really not comparable to such a thing as this. Please just take a good look at everything that gen 6 sets up. Deep breathing, anon. Just, everything. Why would multi million corporations just scrap all that when it can and will rake them in so much cash.
It's like, there's absolutely no reason. There's less reason for Nintendo/Game Freak to do it than it is with any other company. The idea of Nintendo saying "shut the fuck up now throw everything in the trash and make anniversary titles instead" just doesn't make any sense.
>>25883051
Chikorita is the only one I can understand anyone disliking, because of the >Meganium sux meme, but all the others are terrific. Venusaur, Sceptile, Torterra, Serperior (the only good Gen V starter) and even Chesnaught being all decent-to-awesome.
>>25888119
>Why would multi million corporations just scrap all that when it can and will rake them in so much cash.
Literally any reason they want.
Gamefreak is not exempt from these sort of things. Nintendo might have pressured them into making a new gen for the anniversary to coincide with everything they're doing this year. They may have planned on making X and Y 2 from the start but decided against it early on.
Nintendo's scrapped even completed games before, so that's not outside the realm of plausibility.
>>25885590
First of all, no, the most important rule about generations is the Pokémon thing. It's the only pattern still standing, and has always been the defining one. "Battle mechanics" is a meme, made up by retarded 6.5ers because the only hope they have of Sun/Moon not being Gen VII hinges on it some fucking how not having new battle mechanics, which everyone knows isn't happening anyway.
>>25888199
>It's the only pattern still standing
No, battle mechanics is standing on more solid ground, even.
>"Battle mechanics" is a meme
Only because of people spouting ignorant shit on how it's based on new mons, which everyone seems to believe.
>which everyone knows isn't happening anyway.
Your sources, sir?
>>25888119
Third "versions" sell less than flagships. Look it up. Platinum and BW2 sold ~7m while XY, BW and DP sold ~15m, twice as much.
You could make the exact same argument you're making in reverse. Why would they throw millions away on another poorly performing third version?
>>25888242
>battle mechanics is standing on more solid ground, even.
How?
Literally every gen has new a new pokemon roster.
>>25885195
>Implying I'm not just going to claim I was joking all along like I did when I said Fairy wouldn't be a type, and when I said Moon would be the better version.
>>25888266
Your sources on that new battle mechanics are happening regardless, sir. Everyone seems to know it, according to you, so it should be very accessible information.
>Literally every gen has new a new pokemon roster.
That's to be expected. New gen = New mons. Don't take it the other way around.
Literally every gen has new battle mechanics, anyway. Literally every game within their respective generations share the basic same battle mechanics.
>>25888242
>No, battle mechanics is standing on more solid ground, even.
How? New battle mechanics were introduced in B2W2 and ORAS. New Pokémon are ONLY introduced from generation to generation.
Please don't tell me you're counting Megas. They're a different thing altogether for whom no pattern had been previously established, and specifically mentioned to have been leftover ideas they couldn't fit into X/Y.
>Your sources, sir?
There's no way they will introduce new Pokémon and not new battle mechanics. This is pretty clearly a new "BIG TITLE" (as we can see from the "flashback trailer" only it and other BIG TITLES have), and hoping it won't have new battle mechanics just because that's your arbitrary definition of what it would take for the game to remain Gen VI is just sad. No BIG TITLES don't have new mechanics.
>>25888119
>Yeah, but it's really not comparable to such a thing as this.
It's not comparable to this.
>Just, everything.
Look at everything.
>It's like, there's absolutely no reason.
There's absolutely no reason.
Stop typing like a retarded teenager
>>25885509
Gen 1 introduced new Pokemon & region.
Gen 2 introduced new Pokemon & region.
Gen 3 introduced new Pokemon & region.
Gen 4 introduced new Pokemon & region.
Gen 5 introduced new Pokemon & region.
Gen 6 introduced new Pokemon & region.
No new Pokemon or regions were introduced during a gen. Only forms/megas.
>>25888335
but that's what I am though
>>25888311
This would be the first time a new title didn't get new mechanics. Why on earth would they start now, and what possible reason do people have to suspect it, madam?
>>25888256
>Why would they throw millions away on another poorly performing third version?
Your argument is literally that they ate the cost of development and fast-tracked Game Freak on a new game.
Firstly, Nintendo does not tell Game Freak how to make their games, they simply have a one-third stake in the Pokemon franchise. Secondly, that would be a tremendous logistical risk and an extremely reckless business decision.
Near-complete games get canceled either if higher-ups are trying to send a message about a game going over budget (especially if it's not a proven cash cow, or the marketing/branding efforts would make the losses worse) or if it's a last-ditch measure to retain stakeholders or anything else that ultimately boils down to operating costs and profit margins. Not because an anniversary is coming up. That's such a stupid and baseless assertion.
Your entire argument hinges on speculation and it's apparent you just want to be right, not reasonable. If you were even a little reasonable you'd see how idiotic you sound.
>>25888362
>a new title
I think you got it wrong.
If you read the thread, you would know I'm arguing that there's a lot of chance that S/M could still be gen 6. Save your question as for why until later when you've read the thread.
>>25888331
>Nintendo does not tell Game Freak how to make their games, they simply have a one-third stake in the Pokemon franchise
But that does give them leeway and influence on decisions. What with Nintendo's mobile and NX shit coming up this year, it's reasonable to assume they might have encouraged them to make a game for the anniversary. It's a big year for both companies. X and Y 2 (if they ever existed) may have fallen too far behind and had to be scrapped to make time for a bigger release.
>>25888394
Okay, but your argument is based on the idea that the game won't have new mechanics. I'm pointing out every new title does.
Hell, even BW2 and ORAS introduced new mechanics.
>>25886345
>New mechanics are a result of a new gen
New mechanics are the result of new Pokemon (and new moves/abilities), which themselves are the result of a new generation. So mechanics are only an inderect result of a new gen, not the cause of it.
>>25888441
happening!!!
>>25888467
Did you uh, quote the wrong person, or... what happened here?
>>25888490
Chotsuto?
>>25888503
Yeah. Meant to quote:
>>25888391
>>25888467
My argument is based on what the games themselves tell me, inside and on the outside. Also what Game Freak tells us with everything build in gen 6, as well as Perfect Zygarde.
>>25888469
Jesus christ how dense
>>25888467
>What with Nintendo's mobile and NX shit coming up this year, it's reasonable to assume they might have encouraged them to make a game for the anniversary.
Then, as another anon pointed out some posts back, it would have been planned years in advance. Multinational corporations don't make plans on a whim, they strategize for the long-term. As a matter of fact, it's quite possible Sun/Moon were planned as the 20th anniversary flagship titles years back.
The Red/Blue/Yellow VC rerelease was another step in this direction, and a decidedly easier one for sure.
I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest Nintendo and Game Freak agreed ahead of time to target the 20th anniversary for a major release, but I do think it's ridiculous that a near-complete game was scrapped to start work on a completely new game, rather than extending the original's base features or rebranding it. You say it's "reasonable to assume", however in your or my position it's reasonable to assume absolutely nothing except about what cannot be assumed.
>>25886431
>It's unlikely that they would put in moves and animations just to not use them
Literally nothing to do with the gen. SM will use those moves and still be gen 7.
It has new Pokémon.
Thus, it won't battle with Gen VI. It is Gen VII.
Case closed.
Whine all you must.
You'll be proven wrong soon enough.
>>25888574
>As a matter of fact, it's quite possible Sun/Moon were planned as the 20th anniversary flagship titles years back.
I don't doubt it. But like I said:
> X and Y 2 (if they ever existed) may have fallen too far behind and had to be scrapped to make time for a bigger release.
There would simply be no time to release them now, and considering S&M is a new title, it would disappoint a lot of people if it was just a continuation on gen 6. Especially for an anniversary flagship.
>>25888614
Exactly. They're adding lots of new Pokemon, so clearly they will add new moves/abilities. They're not going to bother with "battle compatibility... except these 70 Pokemon"
>>25888541
No need to lash out just because you are too stupid to understand.
>>25888665
Like, sources? Proof?
What about this engine pokemon real time
https://youtu.be/PI61g4_n1sE
>>25888693
Hello, soulmaster300.
>>25888665
"Yes, ORAS had incompatible forms for a few compatible Pokémon. That's exactly the same as a whole batch of new, incompatible Pokémon."
>>25888682
You're the one with the wild accusation here. At this point what you're saying is exactly what I said above. Are you one of those autists who think Masuda seriously meant there are only 11 new Pokémon?
>>25888710
>BUT ELEVEN IS MOAR THAN TEN
>>25888710
>You're the one with the wild accusation here
No, you're saying it's ABSOLUTELY GEN 7 NO DENYING and then shows no proof of said concept.
>>25886547
>if it has a new national dex number...
Fixed that for you.
>>25887304
Nope. Pentagon proves nothing, yet, since this is the first time it's been used. Try again.
>>25889288
That's what I meant even if I worded it odd.
>>25889304
Spike-eared pichu, the thing in question, did not have its own number though. It was just a pichu forme.
>>25889321
I know. I was presenting a hypothetical in which it did, I know it doesn't in reality.
>>25889326
If it was called by a different name (even nidoran have the gender symbol in their names) and had a different Dexter entry it would be a new Pokemon.
New Pokemon = new gen.
The reason they never introduce a new Pokemon mid generation is because it would move the games into a new gen.
>>25889370
they already did that with ORAS, it was stupid
probably because they knew in past remakes, people wouldn't buy it as much as the main games
>>25887036
>south park
>It's definitely gen 7 cuz assumptions I'm making about games I know nothing about!
>It's definitely gen 6/6.5 cuz assumptions I'm making about games I know nothing about!
We know literally nothing about these games, they could be anything. This is not worth arguing about.
>>25891397
>>25885869
Yes.
>>25885896
>>25888144
I don't dislike any of them. Grass starters are just never the superior starter in any way shape or form, either design wise or power wise, with the exception of Sceptile maybe. I don't want Grass to be shit. It just is.
this is how it went down. i know because my dad is Mr. Paul Pikachu
>XY come out
>plan Z as third game, as per usual
>2016 is anniversary
>they plan massive new game
>interferes with prior scheduling of gen 6
>SM will include about the same number of new pokemon as XY, which is why there were unusually little new pokemon
>delay Z because of this
>Z released after SM
>Z will compatible with SM, unlike XY
>>25889645
ORAS did not add new Pokemon. What are you talking about?
>>25882857
Is that an owl?
