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As I'm sure you've seen, there are a shitton of threads showing off art for Pokémon species variations (pic related)
I've got quite a lot of time on my hands and was wondering if anyone would want to play or take part in creating a ROMhack with me to include these variations.
The idea would be to base it on fire red and give most pokemon 3 or 4 species variations. These variations would be similar to one another except with slight design/location/stat/moveset changes. As you can imagine, doing all 720 would be a pain in the ass, so I may limit it to the first couple of gens.
I like this idea as it seems actually feasible and relatively quick. If anyone has any suggestions for what to include I'd really appreciate it.
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Bumping with some neat ideas.
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Whilst the bottom row are fucking stupid, I really like the top row.
>>25820152
With spritework, some variations wouldn't come out well, for example the difference between Normal and Contest in your image(is there a reason none of those Venusaur have eyes?). It shouldn't be a problem as long as you keep it in mind.
I'd find it interesting enough to play. The only helping I could do is making the variant designs, if you needed anyone on that.
>>25820307
Oh, I agree. Some are just not possible. I think I'd pick those that differ a little more than contest and regular. Those porygon ones are pretty cute, for example. But yes, if this idea is received well having someone to make the designs would be fantastic.
>>25820152
>fire red
Fuck that. Gen 5 games.
You could stick different gems in the hearts/eyes of Staryu, Starmie and Sableye. Maybe pearls if they're found in/near the sea with a water attack or two.
Contest breed exeggcute with no cracks and are whiter.
>>25820567
Togepi exeggcute
Easter exeggcute
Smeargle with different coloured tails, perhaps one with a dark blue colour near Cerulean city, or orange near Saffron.
make it so that some are more rare than others. a charizard with a small difference like one horn instead of two could be more common than one with a more radical design change.
>>25820286
>>25821018
Corrupted Porygon
Found near power plant
Knows shit like Metronome but also Sky attack and water gun
Bump, good ideas so far, compiling them all currently.
Is it even possible to do that across multiple generations without removing some Pokemon? I remember there was a limited number of open data spots when I was into romhacking.
>>25820152
Make it gen 1 mons only and a Fire Red hack. Variations can be all over, and they are the offspring of breeding combos. Maybe alter the egg groups a little, and make each variation have extra moves and small stat differences.
>>25821259
I think the limit is about 1000 for Fire Red. Even if you only had three variations, and only the first two gens, you're already hitting 750~.
Bampu
>>25821333
1000? Where did you hear that? There's no way.
>>25823073
stop with this crossbreed garbage
>>25823132
>Implying that's not the most viable way to create these
>>25823146
These are cute as fuck.
>>25823073
these might as well be different pokemon
Shinx Variants
Shinx Variants P2
I wish these were real :c
RIP good designs
Swanna Variants
>>25823400
>+Reshiram
>+Zekromit can't breed with any of these actually
>>25823349
The brawler one is bad ass
>>25820152
>>25820286
>>25820392
>>25821018
>>25821245
>>25821359
>>25823146
These are fine because they maintain the distinctiveness of the base pokemon's design and are obviously still it.
>>25823400
>>25823362
>>25823349
>>25823073
>>25821344
>>25820266
These on the other hand are not....they are almost entirely new pokemon.
>>25823146
I can't unsee oriental as having red eyes with eyebrows
>>25823605
I could start recolouring these now to see what they look like in-game.
>>25820152
I always said Pokemon should expand in subspecies and usability, we're already approaching a major character bloat.
Many gen II mons are completely unusable, Gamefreak should go back and polish underused mons.
>>25823734
Every gen has several unusable mons...I can think of plenty of useable ones from gen 2 (Tyranitar, Celebi, Raikou, Suicune, Forretress, Scizor, Houndoom etc etc)
>>25821333
Maybe do something like remove shitmons? or only do 150?
>>25820152
> Horny Toad
>>25822810
Not him but I remember hearing about the Dex expansion fucking up around 1024, which is a multiple of 2 so it sounds like a reasonable number. That was a while ago and I don't know if they've pushed it further but I don't think there'd be a big need since you can include every Pokémon, every Mega, and then some Fakemon if you really wanted to, with that number.
>>25823769
He may be mistaking 'useable' for 'OU'
>>25824230
>Horny Toad
Decided to make a list of Gen 1/2 Pokemon that you could exclude from the game. Most of the ones i put are blatant shitmons or Pokemon that wouldn't work very well with the whole variations shtick.
http://pastebin.com/LcxnBzbu
>>25826547
I think subspecies would be a great way to improve shitmons, though. The only ones that might need excluding are the ones who won't work well(Unown, Ditto, possibly the legends).
>>25826917
They've already proven it works with vivillion. People traded like hell for rare patterns of those.
>>25826547
>>25826917
I guess I'll probably get ideas for most of gens 1-3 and then we could start eliminating the unnecessary or dull.
It would be interesting if you made slight variations in size/stats/descriptions in the pokedex, considering you're making a lot of new ""species""
Just make it Gen 1 and bother with sprites absolutely LAST.
Yeah, last. Shit's going to be effort and you're only going to be disappointed if you start spriting and never finish.
As it stands your project will be
Programming:
copy and paste two or three times for each species with some slight editing of stats in PokeGen or whatever tool is used now, editing which Pokemon appear in which areas, editing the pokemon that trainers have
Art
A shitload of sprites that you will burn out on
>>25820152
I'd kinda like to see Shuckle varieties with different "host" materials, like meteors or statues, or different sorts of slime molds as the core.
I think it is a great idea and phenomenol ambition, do it OP!
>>25829179
Thankyou!
>>25829142
I agree, a lot of people do art first and never get round to finishing it.
So far, the Pokémon that won't be touched at all are:
>Ditto
>Unown
>Legendary trios
>Mew(two)
>Celebi
>Lugia/Ho-oh
>Jirachi/Deoxys
>Kyogre/Groudon
>Rayquaza
>Lati@s
>Spinda
I've been working on idea that basically started as this and ventured into a slightly different area, so I got some tips.
Keep in mind how small sprites are, some variants wont be as noticeable.
Focus on pokemon with distinct patterns and breeds already. A liepard could be a snow leopard, cheetah, even maybe a leopard seal of sorts. So you could have it change types and attacks respectively.
Think routes first, then fill those with Pokemon. You don't want 20 Pokemon that could fit in a rain-forest route and then 1 or 2 in a desert. This will help you keep the types in check too.
Lastly typing. This is what made me really alter my idea in the end. When it comes down to it, these variants tend to always be of certain types. I see a ton of grass, flying and normal variants, because they vary so well in real life. People tend to be less creative with things like steel, electric, fighting, unless its a mix breed thing. Have a nice equal blend of Pokemon types.
Hope this helps.
>>25831236
Thankyou! I will keep these things in mind. What did your idea turn into?
>>25833381
I went from a direction of having several variations of a Pokemon to just 1 of each type. Pokemon adapted to their environment. There's about 300 total in the dex and basically every type combo is in it.
>>25820152
Yanmasks with various faces
Cofagrius as sarcophaguses from various cultures (engraved stone box from European culture, Bhudda shrine from Asian culture, simple wooden box, etc.)
>>25833697
That sounds pretty neat, man. Is it finished?
>>25833772
Not yet, got the idea around spring break. Its been going pretty steady tho, started learning Essentials over spring break and then creating it after work and class each day. Got a fully functioning game, and built maps up to the first gym so far. On paper, I have all the routes, cities, and pokedex plotted out.
>>25833697
Fuckin love that Shroomish and Vulpix.
>>25833915
This guy has a point. Did you sprite them?
>>25833915
Awesome, I was worried the Vulpix looked a bit too silly. I'm trying to make everything based on a certain concept. Poison/Electric Blitzle will be base on battery acid, Fairy/Ground cubone is base on the Midas touch fairytale, being a lonely Pokemon as everything it touches turns to gold. Electric/Water Azurill is stuck in a dark cave and has a fear of the dark, so adapted to have a glowing tail to soothe itself (nightlight idea). The Pokemon are influenced by their environment. The first route is a burnt forest with Pokemon that have gained a fire type. There's a city-side polluted area full of poison Pokemon, and steel types created by the city to populate the area and release air purifying stuff (based on bio-remediation).
>>25833975
Yea, I'm starting with mostly the easiest sprites, ones that are recolors and small changes, so that I have a bit of experience before moving into the more complex changes. Adding lots of tilesets too, such as water wells, birdhouses, and other scenery, all of which will be interactive.
>>25823482
/thread
Some of those aren't even variants, they're just fusions
>>25823605
Now I want an obsidian aggron
>inb4 le egdy meme
>>25834125
I bet it would look cool. You can like the color black without it being edgy.
You just can't like death, fedoras, or katanas at the same time.
>>25834125
I don't know what to do about this. Obsidian Aggron would look hella cool but in order to give every pokemon from gens 1-3 several variations it may break the dex expansion limit. Maybe I'll just go for Gen 1, and then do a Ruby hack another time.
>>25823605
>obsidian
thats not even fucking metal, or hard. its glass that happens to make nice sharp flakes
>>25821018
>malware porygon with a truant-expy ability that just gives you random message like the ones you find on tv and skips the turn
>>25834029
I'm enthralled. The spritework on that map, the ideas behind it, the designs... it's nice. Do post more on /vp/ when you get further along.
>>25823400
i'm not super sold on these, but I actually really really love the idea of variants based on different ballet. The shiny always should have been a black Odile to parallel the standard Odette. I'd love to see a Firebird, Nikiya, DonQuixote, maybe Clara and Giselle.
What do you think about the idea of some pokémon not being exactly species variations but variations as a result of other factors.
For example, a slowbro with a shellder attached, or a magneton formed of only two magnemite.
>>25834487
Just do a select few from different gens. Having some pokemon unavailable is fine. This will help you choose actually creative ideas too, rather than trying to think of variations for a Pokemon that don't come naturally to you.
>>25835599
Good idea. Any suggestions?
>>25835759
Look through the pokedex kinda slowly, thinking of ideas in your head. When you see a mon you got some ideas for, mark it off. If you want 3 variations, end up picking about 100 mons (not 100 families, you'll have about 40 or so families picked). That'll give you a dex of about 300, which will be a good variety but not complete hell to sprite.
Beauty and Grace
>>25835937
the fuck
they aren't even trying with half of it
>>25836440
>Basalt Crustle
mah nigga!
>>25833697
Great work! I think the Bugbasaur is my fave.
nnnn
I'm not sure what's up with the Espurr one, but I like the Zoroark and Meowth.
>>25829179
Expedition Golurk when
>>25834029
You're a genius. I would thoroughly enjoy a rom hack if you put one together
>>25835937
Drifted way too far from the original
>>25838419
I'll try to keep updates on /heg/ my goal is to have the first 3 gyms playable in the next month.
Cool thread, keep it up!
OP may want to consider Essentials instead of a romhack.
>>25834605
>not having an obsidian aggron with weak armor ability
since when was logic the top priority for pokemon games anyway you cuck
>>25838345
>having a child with a child makes a more childish-looking offspring
What the fuck is logic
>>25835937
>4 of them are literally lopunny
>>25841951
>Breeding lolis to make super lolis
>>25844870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWeEgOUxHw
Wait a minute, that joke...
>>25820266
It kills me that we still don't have a cardinal or bluebird pokemon. I want a regional bird of one or both of those that evolves into some badass final form. I might actually use one for once if they ever did that.
>>25821245
I feel like tropical torterra should have flippers.
>>25820152
venusaur isnt a toad reeeee
I had this thought, pokemon that have different body build depending on what item they have been trained to use
What do you think?
>>25821245
The top one says Johto, middle is Hoenn and the bottom seems more Sinnoh, especially Platinum Sinnoh.
>>25847464
I like it. I think I might wanna draw something with that concept whenever I get the chance. These threads are fun.
>>25828982
White Smoke would be cool as fuck.
Same with Striped and Portly.
>>25833697
You inspired me, here's my cheap imitation.
Keep up the good work.
>>25847464
But that would give away what item you're using
>>25821245
yooooo this one is awesome
would anyone want to quickly draft up a desert torterra with cactus or some other region/tree variant?
>>25828982
>>25847540
white smoke weed everyday
720 blaze it
I gave it a shot. The motif by each mon is what changes.
>First 50
bulba - toads and flowers
char - horns and wings
squirtle - turtles and military cannons
butter - monarch,
bee - hornet, wasp, yellowjacket
pidge - canary, cardinal, bluejay
rat - ratatouille
spear - crow,
ekans - rattle, king, coral
pika - jerry, mickey, mighty
sand -
nidos - english kings, chinese emperors, african kings
clef - full moon (white), new moon (black), crescent moon
vul - arctic, grey, fennec
jiggl -
bat - vampire, fruit, giant
odd -
para - portobello, morel, hallucinogenic
veno - death's head, goliath, luna
dig -
>>25847743
Rough go at the death's head venomoth
>>25850073
looks cool! i was a little worried that variants based on real animals would come off too drab, but the yellow wings pop under all the brown
>>25847743
oh also if anyone thinks these concepts are in the right direction and that i should keep going, let me know. it'd be enough motivation to look at the rest of the kanto dex
some random ones before bed
scyther - orchid mantis
voltorb - magic 8 ball, basketball
growlithe - golden retriever, labrador, german shepard
grimer (lol) - bbq sauce, sunscreen, toothpaste
>>25850287
Go for Dalmatian or husky etc instead of lab. Otherwise the lab and retriever will look too similar in sprite form.
>>25850287
>german shephard growlithe
allofmymoney,jpg
>>25853720
sounds good, a dalmatian has a lot more personality visually speaking
>>25856578
sure just send all of your money to [email protected]
back at it again with those variations!
meowth - maneki neko, tom, top
duck - daffy, donald, howard
mank -
poli - poison dart frog, tree frog,
abra - black mage, red mage, white mage
chop -
sprout - piranha plant, audrey 2
tenta - pink jellyfish
geo - obsidian, limestone, marble
pony - piebald (black w/white flame), blood bay (brown w/ black flame)
slow -
magnet - 80's tron, tron legacy
far -
duo -
seel - leopard,
shell - scallop, oyster, mussel, abalone
gas -
onix - garnet, amethyst, pearl
drow - malaysian tapir, baby striped tapir
krab - mr., mud crab, blue crab
>>25858550
>>25858562
>>25858212
>magnet - 80's tron, tron legacy
Those would be better for porygon
For the magnemite line I was thinking copper, silicon and rare earth, the normal ones being steel.
>>25858795
you're right, different types of metals are much more suitable.
>>25850287
>voltorb - magic 8 ball, basketball
>grimer (lol) - bbq sauce, sunscreen, toothpaste
These really don't make any sense. Neither do any of the pop culture ones. Wouldn't the Voltorb line logically be different pokeballs and the grimer line be highly toxic or polluting substances?
Up
>>25860571
Yeah, those should be like this
Voltorb line: premier, master
Grimer: corrosive, biological, radioactive
>>25820152
>I've got quite a lot of time on my hands
Welfare please
>>25820152
this is the plebbiest shit since redditors spammed the fusions here 3 years too late.
Reup
No love for trash yet?
>>25863458
>that tiny hand on the medical one
what
>>25863584
A flesh colored glove
>>25863458
Aren't medical trash bags usually yellow?
