>"I am Agatha of the Elite Four! Oak's taken a lot of interest in you, child! That old duff was once tough and handsome! That was decades ago! Now he just wants to fiddle with his Pokédex! He's wrong! Pokémon are for fighting!
What happened between those two?
>>25815759
He came on her face
Nothing, the remakes simply changed the ambiguous 'fight' for 'battle'
>>25815759
No way they were childhood rivals. We know for a fact that Oak is in his 50s, while Agatha looks much older than that. Their retcons don't make any sense
>>25815809
Different lifestyles and temperaments.
>>25815809
Come on now, when Asian women get older they age all at once.
>>25815814
They aren't asian
>>25815848
>Characters from gen 1 that are the most based on the real world and take place in Japan aren't Asian
Yeah okay.
>>25815861
They're Caucasian. You're trying to imply some sort of real-world logic on fiction as if that holds any ground. Their design is purely Caucasian and the setting is an imaginary world that has monsters in it.
>>25815848
Now listen, you little
>>25815809
Women age faster
>>25815867
Unova and Kalos are caucasian with a few minorities, the regions based on Japan are asian
>oak has spiky hair as an adult , like Gary's hair
>doesn't have spiky hair as a child
kinda dumb
>>25815908
you never watched the celebi movie, anon?
>>25815904
Funny that Unovan and Kalos Asian minorities actually look Asian, like Cheren, Brycen and Valerie, as opposed to all of Japanese regions population
>>25815917
>animeshit
>>25815904
Nothing what you said holds any ground. It is irrelevant to what I've stated as-well. In fact, it seems like you didn't get the message as you repeat the same mistakes once again. I don't care what any game region is based off. Both Oak and Agatha are clearly caucasian
>>25815917
Then Celebi movie is dumb, what's your point?
>>25815924
>>25815928
I'm not saying it was great (or bad for that matter), I'm just saying thatit's why all the young oak designs people make look like that.
>>25815917
yeah, i don't remember any reason for his hair being like that? i didn't mean it was a problem with the artwork in OP, just in general
>>25815759
Currently unknown...
>>25815848
It's a region based off an area of Japan in every single way. Just because "they don't have slanty eyes on the art" doesn't mean they aren't Japanese retard.
>>25815965
But what the region is based off is irrelevant to their character design. I feel like talking to a wall, this is quite literally the third time repeating myself
>>25815947young oak was in the movie because celebi time travel shenanigans and has that hair.
>>25815969
are all anime characters caucasian even if they have japanese names, speak japanese and live in japan?
>>25815773
>>25815972
i know that. i just think it's dumb that they chose that hair for him at all. the actual creators, i mean
the real question is, do you think karen is agatha's daughter/grandaughter?
she replaces her on the elite4 and no reason is given. agatha either retired or kicked the bucket
>>25815969
>But what the region is based off is irrelevant to their character design
"Hmm, I do wonder if these people living in Not-Japan are based off the Japanese? Nope. Must be Caucasian! Despite me not having a lick of evidence to prove otherwise!"
>>25815965
Their character design is caucasian. They're fucking white. Do you seriously not know what asians look like?
>>25815974
>all
I don't have time to answer your strawman. Oak and Agatha are Caucasian in design. Stop with applying real world logic to fictional characters. Their design is Caucasian. Nothing else matters.
>>25815867
>The characters that specifically mention they come from the regions based on Japan when they're in a region based on another part of the world are Japanese
>But natives to that region in their own games aren't Japanese.
>>25815986
>but these people live
They aren't people, nor are they alive. Therefore they can't live. They're fictional. Get it through your thick skull.
>>25815987
They really aren't white, they look the exact same as every fucking anime character ever. Go ahead and google "why do anime characters look white" because it can easily explain all this for you you fucking window licker.
>>25815987
but their names are yukinari and kikuko
>>25815987
By your logic they can`t be white either but some kind of odd alien creature that share our biology but for some reason have eyes that take up half their face.
>>25815991
>they aren't people
So what are they then?
>>25816000
Theyre extremely evolved Pokemon, just like all characters in the Pokemon universe
>>25815990
>but the regions are based on japan
Fucking irrelevant. No matter how many times you repeat it. It has nothing to do with their character design. Literally. nothing.
>>25815993
>but their names are japanese
Fucking irrelevant. No matter how many times you repeat it. It has nothing to do with their character design. Literally. nothing.
>>25815992
>they aren't white
They are caucasian
>>25815997
>muh slippery slope
>>25816000
drawings of characters, etc.
>>25815984
I wish they could have gone somewhere with agatha's story in gold and silver. Even if she retired/died, it would have been nice to see, or at least know, more from her.
>>25816006
Obstinate idiot.
>>25816006
is mugi white
>>25816024
No need to namecall just because you can't contribute to the thread
>>25815987
Ah yes, the all anime characters are white meme
>>25816026
Not going to answer your strawman butshe's best keionseason 3 never
>>25816006
You are actually the dumbest motherfucker on this board and there are furries on here.
>they aren't white
>They are caucasian
Where is your evidence for this?
How is it irrelevant if they have JAPANESE names and live in an area based off JAPAN, these are all influences upon character design. You wouldn't have a white character and call it an African name like Dikeledi, you wouldn't have a white character and call it Yukinari. It's the same shit.
>>25816027
Just calling a spade a spade.
>strawman
>slippery slope
>muh Caucasians
it's like i'm really on /pol/
>>25816034
read >>>25816027
>>25816033
>how is this irrelevant information not relevant to their CHARACTER DESIGN
Don't know how to put it. But there's also literally nothing wrong with being a furry.
>>25815848
someone get this hothead out of here
>>25816041
Honest to god the only thing you could fall back on now is "I was only pretending to be retarded". Why don't you actually provide something for your arguments? A character's name is very much part of their design, especially when said name denotes their ethnicity which you continue to conveniently ignore.
>>25816038
Not really, the only people who push the "anime characters look asian not white" meme is asian teenagers who seem to make up the majority of this board
>>25816049
>A character's name is very much part of their design,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWz9VN40nCA
>>25815904
>Misty's and her red hair
>All those blonde "Beauty" trainers
>Lorelei
>These characters are totally Asian guys!
>>25816053
it doesn't matter what they look like
in anime, characters generally look 'white' to gaijin but to a japanese they look asian
>>25816049
I think he is of the opinion that character design only means artwork of that character.
>>25816041
Professor oak is not designed like a white person. The only "white" characteristic is his hair which means shit in anime since everyone has every hair color possible
>>25816063
>What is hair dye?
>>25816053
To asians they look asian, to whites they look white. Since they were created by asians, they're asian. Since they have names like Adachi, they're asian. When an anime character includes a white or black person, you know about it.
>>25816064
not true, there's plenty of actually asian anime characters.
>>25816078
thats in realistic anime where the characters don't have crazy hairstyles and colors
>>25816069
You tried
>>25816063
And those Ace Trainers with green hair!
>>25816082
So? Which category does the Pokemon anime fall under?
>>25816087
Don`t know why they put ogres in pokemon before black people.
>>25816060
and yet you've still provided nothing
>>25816093
pokemon is a fantasy anime game
>lt surge is asian since he's in an asian game and that's that and if you disagree reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>25816097
Recheck the post you replied to.
>>25816101
Lt Surge has a non-Japanese name in the Japanese version and is specifically stated to be American
>>25816101
Surge is the exception to it retard. In fact his existence as a whole and how hard it pushes "look at me I'm American and white" is only proof that the rest aren't.
>>25816099
So what makes you think Japan sees them as Japanese? They have crazy hairstyles as you've said.
>see thread on first page
>"What happened between these two?"
>thread turns into a discussion about race and regions in pokemon games and anime
/vp/ never change
>>25816109
>>25816112
Street Fighter reference
How the fuck this ended up in a racial discussion?
>>25816113
google "why do anime characters look white" and have a read.
>>25816113
there have been interviews with japanese about this topic
do you think that a japanese thinks they are white?
>>25815773
the thread should have ended here because this was the best reply it got
>>25816125
What makes you think Japan sees them as Japanese? You're making a claim.
>>25816128
>do you think that a japanese thinks they are white?
Thta doesn't mean they see them as japanese. It depends on the show's art-direction, and the characters individually. That's the only answer you can give. Unless I'm mistaken there's no true answer to that question.
>>25816132
this conversation can literally go back and forth forever since neither side has definite evidence
maybe mail to gamefreak? kek
For some reason I've written a rough draft for a Pokemon game that's a prequel to Red and Blue. I actually included Agitha has a character. She has a Rotom and she's a supporting character that helps you occasionally
I wonder if Agitha is Blue's grandmother?
>>25816141
No you made a claim. I simply ask you to provide some evidence.
>>25816146
You have also made a claim
we should ask 2ch what they see the characters as
>>25816132
Because a white character in anime looks like this.
A black one looks like this
>>25816076
>>25816141
It's been confirmed Gamefreak deliberately lies. Not even they can help you now.
>>25816150
>you also made a claim
Reminder that this is an anonymous message board. You're not talking to the same person
>>25816151
These are cherry-picked based off of a general, consistent, artstyle. There's no universal artstyle.
>>25816174
well, do you think they are white?
>>25816174
but there is a consistent art style for this shit. Find a white character in anime who doesn't have blonde hair and blue eyes or at least blue eyes. That new Persona 5 chick is only a quarter white and she has blonde hair and blue eyes, Eli from Love Live is like only half Russian and she has blonde hair and blue eyes. It's a consistent thing.
my headcanon is that Blue is hafu
>people actually think the Pokemon characters are all meant to be asian
toppest fucking kek
Pokemon games are produced and distributed globally as a huge media franchise. They speak Japanese originally, yes, but their clearly not meant to be asian, or of any ethnic background (other than the occasional black guy)
There was a Pokemon game PRACTICALLY BASED IN FUCKING FRANCE. And don't get me started on Unova. Kanto may be based on a region of Japan, yeah, but the games were clearly intended to be distributed globally. America, Europe, Canada, Australia, and the other 70% of the fucking audience would much prefer a white cast of characters. It's much more universally accepted. Besides, if they're all asian, then what the fuck is Brock meant to be? A Mega asian?
>>25816226
no one was arguing that they're all Asian
Kalos and Unova are primarily white while the other regions have many asians
Why does the ethnicity of the characters matter and is worthy of a discussion anyway?
This is something completely irrelevant to my eyes.
>>25816241
The fandom collapsed. There is nothing to discuss anymore.
>>25816241
Everybody is desperate to discuss something after the dick tease of yesterday
>debating the race of Japanese 2d characters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukokuseki
>>25816276
What happened yesterday?
>>25816380
Nothing.
Thats why people are buttblasted.
>>25816192
>but there is a consistent art style for this shit
No there isn't. Anime spans a variety of artstyles.
Is Persona really the first thing you think of when you say anime? I'd say educate yourself into different anime before making unsound generalized statements
>>25816386
No, it isn't that nothing happened, that would've only caused some rage. They took the nothing SERIOUSLY, and now the entire fandom has gone absolute batshit insane from a matter that isn't true at all, but they believe it because they're idiots that think they have to believe everything.
>>25815984
I just figured she died and the other members of the E4 forced her to retire sometime later. Karen was probably the only person who could actually get her to leave because Dark beats Ghosts.
>>25815759
He challenged the elite four when he was younger and lost, then gave up on being a trainer and decided to become a researcher instead.
>>25816418
She died and then they forced her to resign? They forced a dead person to resign?
>>25816449
Because Ghosts and shit.
>you are now imagining Ghost Agatha trolling the shit out of Lance
>>25816418
yeah, but the hair shape and white/grey color that they share makes it a little suspicious that they might be more closely related
>>25816449
Yes. She came back as a Misdreavus and wouldn't stop bugging them.
>>25816455
It would be cool if in gold silver you beat the elite 4 and there's no mention of agatha just the way it is, but later on you would be able to find an hidden agatha you could battle that then vanishes a la dead marowak, implying that she died and reinforcing her relationship with ghosts.
>>25815918
For what it's worth, Valerie is actually from Johto
>>25815773
First post only good post
>>25816418
>died, THEN forced to retire.
>>25815809
they had a /ss/ relationship
>>25816395
show me an example then. I know my shit on anime, it was just a recent example I was bringing to mind that I imagined you'd be able to grasp.
>>25816226
Brock would be one of those "natural" types who gets a lot of sun and doesn't believe in skin bleaching or eye surgery. My art teacher is a Japanese-but-apple-pie-as-fuck-American and he's got skin like a leather couch. It's not unheard of.
>>25816241
It's mundane and has no real effect on the enjoyment of the series. Unless people want like the perfect "realistic" depictions or something to that effect.
It doesn't really matter if Rosa is supposed to be Chinese, Glacia's Scandanavian or if Dahlia's Spanish or the in-world equivalent of those. It's implied differences in human phenotypes might be there but the language and cultural barriers are practically minimal at best because that's the kind of world they want to convey.
>>25815984
Yes, but estranged.
>>25815759
>travels back in time
>cucks her while oak watches.
>trauma makes them fight.
>they had plan becoming pokemon trainers.
>Agathe overcomes her trauma after hard theraphy and become elite 4.
>oak is so damaged that he cannot remember much anymore, and get help to work in a laboratory.
>what gender are you again?
And now I have to fap.
>anime characters with non-black eye and hair colors are all caucasian
It's like I'm really on /a/.
>>25816226
Brock is Filipino, or at least some kind of Islander. It explains why he has darker skin and has small eyes
>>25817742
the dark skin is anime only.
>>25816032>you will never snuggle with mugiwhy live
>>25815984
I've always thought that Karen was Agatha's daughter (I guess grandaughter could work too), Karen probably received her Gengar as a Gastly from Agatha. I would assume they are estranged due to it not being mentioned.
>""""""""""""""""""Ghost master"""""'""""""""""""
>>25816421
pretty much my assumption too, Agatha was pissed that Oak gave up being a trainer to research pokemon, hence the falling out.
>>25817864
>le agatha is a poison trainer meme
Both snakes and bats are spooky animals. They probably could have given her Marowak but who cares.
Lance has gyarados and aerodactyl, Bruno has two onix and Lorelei has slowbro.
HOLY SHIT! I came here interested in Professor Oak and Agatha's past and all I see is a bunch of fucking morons screaming about what race they are and that furries are okay. Why the fuck does it matter?! Now I remember why I stopped coming here.
>>25816124
Because /pol/ is all over this board pretty much every thread will turn into a racial discussion
>>25816596
Not even that anon but you need to learn to read
He came on her face
