So, now that we know that Sun/Moon is a new generation and not Gen 6...
We can agree that Gen 6 is, without a shadow of a doubt, the WORST generation of Pokemon to date, right?
absolutely, comes close with gen 1 though.
>>25810431
gen 1 had glitches to dick around at least
>>25810406
We also know that Gen 7 has 11 new pokemon
It will replace Gen 5 has the worst gen ever
>>25810406
>inb4 6.5
>>25810406
Comparatively speaking, yeah. Certainly the biggest letdown at least.
>>25810406
>So, now that we know that Sun/Moon is a new generation and not Gen 6...
nope
Because of the lack of new Pokémon
>>25810447
There will be more 20 New Pokémon.
Nah, 5 is worse.
>>25810466
>Now that people who aren't in denial and have at least one functioning braincell in their head know that this is a new gen
>>25810466
>>25810406
Yeah, this is the first time the "previous gen was actually good guys" cycle might get broken, that's how bad it was.
>>25810510
>best gen
>worst
>>25810406
XY had the excuse of being the first full 3D game in the series, but there was no excuse for ORAS ending up the way it did. That they decided to use pic related as the closer to Gen 6 only makes it worse.
I hope SM is good so we can just pretend this pile of shit never happened.
>>25810466
hahahaha stay mad Zygarde fag, i'm glad you wont be able to pay $40 for a move tutor and cutscenes
if it ended up being Z I was gonna pirate but i'll support S&M that comes with a free bottle of gen 6.5 tears as a preorder bonus
I'll forever consider this gen to be the one of the lowest points in the series. Gen 6 is the first generation where I just outright stopped and I've played them all over 15 years.
>>25810555
>getting trolled by a one word reply
>>25810544
Yeah. Those ice cream and garbage Pokémon were so great!
>>25810551
If there isn't a Frontier in S&M I'll lose my damn mind.
>>25810605
They were!
>>25810605
Gen 5 had 154 other Pokemon, you know
>>25810605
>the only critique you can give is the designs of two Pokemon
Amazing argument you shitter.
>bad Pokemon designs does not equal bad region, gameplay, story etc
>>25810618
I don't even want to think about it at this point
>>25810647
Hahahahahahahahaa. Stay mad you Unovabortion.
>>25810647
are you on 4chan this Saturday for arguments and debates?
>>25810645
>>25810647
You guys are falling for this nearly ancient bait. Ignore it, it's part of the Kalosperm damage control over the whole Masuda debunking Gen. 6.5 thing.
>>25810605
>bringing up the same 2 lines of pokemon.
Come on, try harder at least.
>>25810431
/thread
>>25810605
It's not the Pokémon that were the problem it's the region, features and mechanics. The Pokémon I thought were decent.
>>25810605
Nice meme
4 (Platinum and HGSS) > 5 (BW2) > 3(Emerald/FRLG) > 2 (Crystal) > 6 (all shit) > 1 (all REALLY shit)
>>25810762
>ht w
i wonder how the world would turn out if you didnt let us all know the person you were replying to was in actuality meming.
i bet if you dindt tell us we would have reached total destruction in 24 hours.
thanks for saving humanity by letting us know that statement was actually the best fucking meme of everything and maybe just all.
>>25810406
SM is gen 6.5
literally nothing has changed since February, so stop jumping to conclusions
>>25810787
>he doesn't know
>>25810812
I know that gen 6.5 is coming
Can't wait for /vp/'s tears come this E3
Honestly I preferred gen 6 to Black/White. Black 2/White 2 were better than gen 6 though.
>>25810781
Holy shit you sound like you have an extra chromosome.
>>25810842
Yes Gen 6 confirmed worst. Gen 1 following closely
It's not even deniable. The gen wars will always continue, but we have a definite worst gen now. I'm not even going to go into detail about what is wrong with them, it would be too long of a post. But let me at least say this:
They couldn't even keep a stable framerate.
>>25810842
No, not that. That other thing. You're lacking information, which is evident since you're mentioning the E3 in regards to Pokemon.
>>25810787
Nothing needs to change since February, to begin with, we already saw a new Pokemon.
>>25810850
takes one to know one
>>25810871
I really hope they at least let SM access the N3DS's extra power
>>25810871
>I'm not even going to go into detail about what is wrong with them
so like wait an hour and you most likely will
>>25810889
yes, gen 6.5 will contain more than 10 new Pokemon, as confirmed by Masuda
i'd ballpark the actual number around 30-50 new mons, not counting the new megas (already confirmed to be in SM too)
>>25810842
>E3
>Anything about Pokemon
>>25810893
You must be 18+ to post here.
>>25811010
takes one to know one
>>25810895
What extra power? I hope you know that's still not enough to fix 3D framerate tanking in most games.
>>25810774
Flip gen 1 and 6, beciase of fun glitches
Gen V>II>III>VI>I>dogshit>IV
>>25810975
Why would thier 20th anniversary game be a sequel?
Absolutely.
>>25811188
>implying
5>3>4>2>6>1
>Implying Gen 6 is a Buggy, Broken garbage like Gen 1.
>>25810774
This is the first time I've completely agreed with a gen ranking.
What would have made Gen 6 not as bad as it turned out to be?
>>25811480
Making XY2 instead of ORAS. If they had to end the gen quickly they should've at least finished up what they started instead of rushing out a remake.
>>25811322
Gen1 is not exceptionally buggy, people just searched for glitches because it's a beloved game. Plenty of fucked up shit can be done in Mario games too.
At least Gen1s issues are unintentional. Gen6 has no excuse for
>bad framerate despite not even being that graphically impressive
>worst rivals
>worst evil team
>fairy type implementation and overlap with other types, e.g. celebi doesn't get it
>sky battles ayy lmao
>so easy you could confuse gym leaders for normal trainers
>no battle facility except the maison
>removing multiple features in RS remake
>unresolved shit like zygarde
>unfinished looking shit like the friend safari just a patch of grass
>>25811532
this
XY2 should have been more difficult, a challenge mode, more post game content, and a better story
>>25810466
>>25811194
Why not? The reception of BW2 was very good.
>>25811714
They probably just wanted a mainline game releasing on the 20th to be absolutely new. Which would generate more hype for 20 years of Pokemon, a brand new adventure, or a enhancement of a game that's already 3 years old?
I liked it a bit more than gen 5. Wasn't a fan of Unova, and the original black and white games were not super fun. B2W2 were pretty good but I enjoyed them about as much as ORAS.
>>25811683
Serebii doesn't mean jack squat.
>>25810406
6th gen is the first gen which wasn't replayed by me yet. I could barely start a new game.
>>25812051
I tried with Fairy mono-run but I quit right before Ramos.
>>25811683
A fan site saying it is Gen 7 means nothing
>>25812068
I don't even remember much about Kalos.
>>25812093
"Generation" is fan term that SM already fulfills the requirements of to begin with.
Nah, gen 2 was pretty shit.
But >>25810551 is right. ORAS is probably the worst game in the series for being a cashgrab (more so than Yellow).
>>25810618
As long as Battle Palace doesn't return.
>>25810406
Masuda literally said this is still in connection with X/Y, and they hinted at Mega Greninja.
Learn some fucking japanese. REKT
>>25812093
GF considers megas new Pokemon.
So by this logic, OR/AS is Gen7, and S/M is Gen 8.
>>25812120
>"Generation" is fan term that SM already fulfills the requirements of to begin with.
Nope. People are only calling it gen 7 because they see new Pokemon and they start losing their minds and going wild with speculation. When screenshots and video of this game actually comes out that shows it looking identical to gen 6 people will scale it back.
No one is going to call it gen 6 if the only thing different about it is new pokemon and region.
Note so self: OP forgot that 2010 existed.
>>25812201
No anon, if we truly go by 6.5 logic it's
>gen 2 is 1.5
>gen 3 is actually 2
>gen 4 is actually 3
>gen 5 is actually 3.5
>gen 6 is 4
>ORAS is 5
>SM is 5.5
>>25812279
This is still wrong.
>>25812274
Gen 5 was pontless but wasn't as bas as gen 6 was.
It's definitely low on the list if not the worst.
Catious optimism going into Sun and Moon (Generation 7) though. It will hopefully fix the issues with 6 and be a worthwhile 3DS title.
Gen 5 isn't even bad. Some desperate haters trying to save gen 6
>>25811103
It is, for the most part. There are patches for XYORAS that uncap the N3DS CPU clockrate and lag becomes monimal when using them.
>>25812298
You're right, I forgot to take into account the pre evolutions and new evolutions for older pokemon.
Which would mean, we're still in the first generation, 1.6 to be exact. With SM, it'll be 1.7.
Only 2 more games till Gen 2! Get hype!
>>25810406
Yes.
I don't care how contrarian I may seem, I loathe gen 6. I absolutely despise this generation and what it's done to the series. It took hand holding and shot it up like crazy, while bringing difficulty down to casualfag levels (even by Pokemon standards), it brought a retarded gimmick to some pokemon that didn't even need it and fucked up the ones that did (and possibly ruined permanent evolutions for ones like Mawile, Audino, etc), it had a shitty distribution of new Pokemon and depended too much on Gen 1 nostalgia, and ORAS just proved that with enough hype, you can cut corners (while literally programming in middle fingers to your veteran fans) and people will still buy it in droves and then defend or overlook the obvious flaws. I am glad there's no Z/X2Y2/XZYZ/whatever and I am glad this generation is being gotten rid of. But at the same time, because of the praise it's been given by casual babies, I'm very wary and hesitant over Sun and Moon.
>>25812279
It's obvious that you don't understand 6.5 logic.
>>25812402
How I do that?
>>25811984
>>25812093
Fuck off, that Gen 6.5 "proof" compilation had the "Gen 7?" screencap front and center, you Gen 7 denialfags are such hypocrites
>>25812425
check 3dsiso for prepatched roms or google it
>>25812436
It come come right from Masuda's mouth and they'd still cling to muh mechanics and muh graphics because those who believe it's not gen 7 are spoiled children who never learned the proper way to act when they're wrong.
>>25812279
Gen 6.5 fags say that SM are gen 6 games. "6.5" only means that they're the second half of the generation. If the number of new Pokémon is 75 or less, then is gen "6.5". If there's more, then Gen 7 fags win.
>>25812474
What if there's less than 75 Pokemon but it has new starters and a new region far away from Kalos?
>>25812127
Wow it's like you're retarded or something.
>>25812406
I'm actually a competitive player and that's why I enjoy the games. I know X and Y are terrible but I really only enjoyed the stuff that they did to improve PvP and Online in General, like Horde battles, Super Training, PSS, Mega Evolutions etc
I also do know why it was bad though too but those things dont concern e as much as that's not what I play Pokemon for. I play it soley for PvP though I'm trying to change that. HOWEVER gen 7 will likely have most of these changes too, and will hopefully have a vastly superior story and post game and hopefully I wont need PvP to enjoy Pokemon anymore
>>25812527
In your scenario, it'd be Gen 7 because new starters + no connection to Kalos plot, even if the number of Pokémon is less than 75 (it'd be pretty shitty, though).
If the story is somehow connected to Kalos AND there are NO new starters, then is Gen 6.
I should've have added that a connection to Kalos is very important to say if it's gen 6 or 7.
If the story is connected to Kalos AND there are new starters, but LESS than 75 new Pokémon, then there'll be a tremendous flamewar down here, but Gen 7 fags will probably win there.
What about the quote from the nintendo direct, "it all comes together" heavily implying whatever loose ends from gen 6 will be tied up. It doesn't confirm 6.5 but still a valid argument against gen 7 being confirmed in anyway.
>>25810406
Idk, I think Gen 6 doesn't get enough credit as it deserves.
- Introduced the much needed Fairy type (dark/fighting was getting way too overpowered thanks to Gen 5)
- Easier method to EV train (horde battles)
- Easier stat tracking for EV training
- EV reset bags
- Items that changed the meta such as Assault Vest, Weakness policy, Mega stones...etc
- Mega evolutions also gave some formerly useless pokemon relevancy
- movement isn't locked into 90 degrees
- Now a 1/4096 chance of getting a shiny, instead of 1/8192. Even less with the shiny charm
- Wonder trade and other online capabilities
- Improved GTS
- Pokemon Amie
- Safari Zone is fun if you have friends/ streetpass a lot
- Customizable main character + clothing
- Didn't add TOO much pokemon
- Made Wally not lame. Fixed Gen 3 R/S in general.
- FULL BLOWN THREE DEE
>>25812217
>Nope.
There is no "nope", for the past 20 years the fanbase followed "New Pokemon=New Gen" it wasn't until little over a month ago that some Zygarde fans got mad and decided that they made the rules now
>>25811714
>>25811825
BW2 are god tier, but'd I'd expect the 20th anniversary games to be new, especially since they probably wanna bring in fans that havent played Gen 6 into Sun and Moon
>>25812762
not too many Pokemon and each one was quality.
>>25812739
>but still a valid argument against gen 7 being confirmed in anyway.
Not really because GSC already shows that loose ends can be tied up in a new gen. Nothing is stopping Gen 7 from having an "Episode Z" at some point so they could do something with the Zygarde forms they already designed.
>>25812404
Generation is 20 or rather now considered 25 years.
So, we're in gen 2 since this is the 20th ann. for Pokemon :^)))))))))))))))))))
>>25812416
because there is no logic?
>>25812893
Gen 1 can only battle with other Gen 1 games because they share battle mechanics that are different from other gens.
Gen 2 can only battle with other Gen 2 games because they share battle mechanics that are different from other gens.
Gen 3 can only battle with other Gen 3 games because they share battle mechanics that are different from other gens.
rinse and repeat for other gens.
>>25812813
the bottom line will be whether we see a new set of starter Pokemon. I'll admit, i'm a huge Kalos fan, it's hands down my favourite generation to date, I think everything is perfection, so if we start in a different region but we're offered a Chespin Fenniken or Froakie again that will define where we stand in the Pokemon generation timeline.
>>25812916
>the bottom line will be whether we see a new set of starter Pokemon.
Even after that happens people will move the goalposts again. I have seen people say that only mechanical changes matter despite knowing about what SM will change yet.
>>25812805
It didn't add shitty baby pokemon, but more useful megas instead. Also no garbage bags or ice cream
>>25812913
so, you're saying that SuMo will share battle mechanics with gen 6 besides the fact that the game isn't even released yet?
Also, since we will get new pokemon, how can I battle with ORAS? I could only use older pokemon?
Isn't gen IV and V shave the same battle mechanics as well?
I love how the X/Y Starters were based on the RPG class trope: Paladin/Mage/Ninja
>>25812991
We already know Bank only allows VC Gen 1 transfers to SM and not XYORAS, and there has to be a reason for that
>>25813007
so, SM is gen 1?
>>25813018
Gen 1.5 ;^)
>>25813023
well, this makes more sense than 6.5
>>25810406
Objectively speaking gen 4 is the worst. Gen 6 is pretty great.
>>25813119
Objectively speaking Gen 1 is the worst. Replaying it on the 3DS made me realize that.
Holy shit do I take all the new features for granted. You can't even press select for the bicycle?? The game doesn't tell you what the TMs do before you buy them? Fuck
I will always love them though
>>25813119
Gen that gave us physical/special split and the best remake in the series
Vs
Gen that gave us mega evolutions and ORAS
>>25813119
>>25813222
That gen also INTRODUCED ONLINE.
But yes the physical/special split was one of them most important changes any Gen gave us.
>>25813222
>Vs Gen that gave us mega evolutions and ORAS
It gave us much more than that.
>>25812762
>>25812941
I'll let the mods at Bulbapedia tell me how to feel when we know all the facts. Until then I see SM as the GS to XY, if you catch my drift.
>>25813267
any gen gave us a lot of stuff
also
>Didn't add TOO much pokemon
No. Just no.
>>25813297
>>Didn't add TOO much pokemon
>No. Just no.
It introduced introduced 72 new Pokémon species (not counting Megas)\
On the other hand, Black/White introduced 156 new Pokémon, and removed all of the older pokemon during it's main campaign.
>>25813006
its Warrior/Wizard/Thief
Gen 5 is by far the worst. Not even close. Worst Region, Worst story, Worst designs, Worst Music
>>25810406
I don't know if it's the worst but definitely the most disappointing
>>25812762
>FULL BLOWN THREE DEE
Yeah, XY and ORAS towns sure look amazing in 3D...
>>25810431
Gotta agree with this.
>>25813353
Megas =/= new pokemon
>Black/White introduced 156 new Pokémon
We know that.
>removed all of the older pokemon
The Unova Pokédex is expanded in BW2.
GF could have introduced more new pokemon in XY.
>>25813432
You're describing the shit fest that is gen 3. Gen 5 was ok, but gen 4 is the greatest and gen 3 is the worst.
>>25813486
Its really close on worst region, really close on worst story, but the designs and music are better in 3 imo
Am enjoying ORAS. Don't see the big deal.
>>25810551
>excuse
>excuse
Oh fuck off, this is a big budget game that sells at full price. It also sells 10s of millions of copies.
Fuck off with your apologist shit, if someone has a valid complaint it is a valid complaint. GF is just incompetent. That's really all there is to it
>>25810871
>stable framerate
Overrated when you take into consideration the battle speed still tops every other fucking game on average
>>25810544
the worst part of gen 5 wasn't the pokes
it was everything else, the series was extremely reluctant to change anything
the map got slightly more 3D, sprites wiggled a bit more, that was literally all Nintendo added.
Gen 6 had to make up for a decade of stale rehashed mechanics.
>>25810406
oh yeah, definitely.
That doesn't mean their bad games (well except for ORAS, that stuffs bad) At least Gen 1 has novelty in the sheer amount of glitches. It's like the Donkey Kong 64 of RPGs.
>>25811550
>>bad framerate despite not even being that graphically impressive
read >>>25814083
>>25810406
Nope, Gen 5 will forever hold that crown.
ORAS was rushed and a blatant disappointment, but X&Y reinvigorated the franchise. Megas, new type, 3D (sometimes) graphics and customization and not to mention the fact that Kalos is the only region to actually embody their theme. So no that edgy try hard and graphically atrocious gen V is still the worst gen to date.
6.5 faggots here are just bad with knowing facts.
Masuda actually confirmed that there are MORE than 50-60 pokemon. 10 was a joke.
>>25814205
source?
>>25810431
I'm willing to give Gen 1 a pass on account of "literally the foundation on which the rest are built."
>>25813007
Using Pokémon Bank, you'll be able to transfer Pokémon you've caught in the Nintendo 3DS Virtual Console versions of Pokémon Red, Pokémon Blue, and Pokémon Yellow into your copy of Pokémon Sun or Pokémon Moon. Pokémon from Pokémon Omega Ruby, Pokémon Alpha Sapphire, Pokémon X, and Pokémon Y can also be brought into Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon in the same way.
http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-sun-and-pokemon-moon/
>>25813486
>Gen 4 is the greatest
>when it takes an hour just to see a move animation
Generation 4 is worse. But its still pretty great
>>25814205
source bb
