>people actually think these aren't the Sun and Moon mascots
sun is orange
The Sun and Moon mascots are obviously new Sun&Moon forms of Zygarde! Screencap this for future references when Gamefreak/Corocoro confirms it! Trust...
>>25755781
and red
>>25755781
>still thinks the sun is orange
>and not its actual color white
>>25755774
More like they're anime exclusive, just like the rest of the Zygarde formes.
>>25755811
Sun is a medsized yellow star
>>25755822
Nice maymay
>>25755789
>blue and orange/red
>red and blue re-remakes confirmed
>>25755774
We know that it's not in Kalos at least for the main story, so I don't think they'd have Zygarde as the mascots, even if they somehow made it possible to tell one 50% from the other.
>>25755822
lol. picross, tcg, shuffle
anime exlusive you say?
>>25755870
Anime exclusive shit shows up in spinoff all the time.
>>25755869
>We know that it's not in Kalos at least for the main story
Hawaii is just a meme. Get over it.
>>25755908
The anime wouldn't be eager to end Kalos if we weren't leaving it.
>>25755900
You're embarassing yourself if you really think those are anime exclusive
>>25755919
They're leaving it for Southern Kalos.
>>25755774
I don't think they will be the mascots, but I definitely think we will be seeing them in the game somehow. Complete Zygarde's chest colors correspond exactly to the colors of X, Y, Sun, and Moon.
>>25755925
That makes no sense at all. They didn't do that for Unova.
>>25755933
It's going to be like GSC to RGBT, not B2W2 to BW.
>>25755789
main colours are orange and blue
>>25755954
border to make the image look better =/= "main colour"
>>25755946
Still, the transition to 2nd gen wasn't instant. There was quite a bit of time in there, it wasn't rushed, this is.
>>25755822
>anime exclusive
>>25755967
red would've looked good too. doubt its a coincidence
>>25755900
It really doesn't
>>25755982
I didn't say it wouldn't have looked good, I mean they don't think THAT much for the border of some random image.
>>25756015
Its the same shade as the logo, same with the other side. they obviously thought about it a little
>>25756025
>they're the same colour you see in the logo
Of course. But why do you think it actually matters? They could have used the other two as well.
>>25756036
but they didn't and they have yet to
>>25756054
Exactly.
>>25755900
>Anime exclusive shit shows up in spinoff all the time.
Find the other anime exclusive stuff in them then like Crystal Onix, Pinkan Pokemon, armored mewtwo and so on.
>>25755811
He's talking about the game you dumb fuck
In the anime, Red Zygarde Core is said to love bathing in the SUN, 'maybe' the Blue Core loves MOON bathing? SUN, MOON, Pokemon SUN & MOON mascots confirmed.......
>>25756495
"generation" is a fanterm. The only reason it seem it seems to make sense is because they never broke that pattern.
>>25755781
Actually the sun is white ignorant.
>>25755781
and the moon is clouds
>>25756554
>Serebii says new generation
>Zycucke: "It's a fan term!"
>Official press release says new generation
>Zycucke: "MUH Z"
>>25756554
gotta love the damage control of the gen 6.5 delusional fags
people have called generations since fucking gen 2 but since cuckgarde got cucked now you spout "g-generation is a fan term!!" "M-MMUH ZYKEKE"
seriously fuck off
>>25756704
I can't find a scientific source at the moment, but trust me that the sun is a yellow main sequence star.
>>25756780
>people
Yep. It's a fanterm. If they decide to add new Pokémon in a third version or remake, the pattern would break and the fanterm "generation" would either need to find a new definition or to die. I'm not saying this is the case with Sun and Moon, I'm just stating a fact.
>>25756859
Be that as it may, we cannot automatically assume something that has not been revealed one way or the other. Only then can we redefine something. Redefining it now serves no purpose other than confusion and inconsistency.
>>25756833
thank god
>>25756900
I'm not saying we should redefine it, I'm saying that since they've been breaking the patterns it might need to be redefined. I don't think Sun and Moon is going to break it, as it will probably be Johto to Kanto, I'm just pointing it out.
>>25755972
The anime is almost at the Pokémon League I think. Sun and Moon are going to come out at the end of the year. They have a lot of time to do it properly.
>>25756964
It's not just the league. That will happen fairly soon unless people have been rusing me. It's the end of the Team Flare arc. That seems to be the thing that really needs to end for this to be over.
>>25756985
Does it actually matter? Maybe we get a new Team Flare in Sun and Moon or something, you can't actually exclude that.
>>25757003
Whatever it is, things seem to be fine whenever the movie is taking place. That's no real issue, though, since they have 4 months to play around after that. I wish I was more certain about the League, though. Perhaps after the final gym battle. They always give the time until the League right after that.
>people actually think these are the Sun and Moon mascots
>>25755833
The sun is actually a green-blue/turquoise colour. Steven fry told me.
>>25755869
>We know
We know literally nothing so shut the fuck up.
I could see them having more than a box legendary on the covers this time, I wouldn't be surprised if zygarde was on both like in the background or some shit.
>>25755774
>Zygarde 50%
Based off of Jörmungandr
>In Norse mythology, Jörmungandr, often written as Jormungand, or Jörmungand and also known as the Midgard Serpent, or World Serpent, is a sea serpent, the middle child of the giantess Angrboða and Loki.
Keywords: Middle child, son of Loki, brother of Hel and Fenrir
>Zygarde 10%
Based off of Fenrir
>In Norse mythology, Fenrir, Fenrisúlfr, Hróðvitnir or Vánagandr is a monstrous wolf. In both the Poetic Edda and Prose Edda, Fenrir is the father of the wolves Sköll and Hati Hróðvitnisson, is a son of Loki, and is foretold to kill the god Odin during the events of Ragnarök, but will in turn be killed by Odin's son Víðarr.
Keywords: Father of two wolves: Sköll and Hati, son of Loki, brother of Jörmungandr and Hel
(1 / 2 or 3)
>>25755774
>>25757312
>Zygarde cores
Possibly based off of Sköll and Hati, but that's really grasping for it. Still, first the article on Fenrir that discusses an interesting part on Sköll and Hati, then things from their entries
>In reference to Fenrir's presentation in the Prose Edda, Andy Orchard theorizes that "the hound (or wolf)" GarmrIn Norse mythology, Garmr is a dog associated with both Hel and Ragnarök, and described as a blood-stained watchdog that guards Hel's gate, Sköll, and Hati Hróðvitnisson were originally simply all Fenrir, stating that "Snorri is careful to make distinctions, naming the wolves who devour the sun and moon as Sköll and Hati Hróðvitnisson respectively."
>In Norse mythology, Sköll is a warg that chases the horses Árvakr and Alsviðr, that drag the chariot which contains the sun (Sól) through the sky every day, trying to eat her. Sköll has a brother, Hati, who chases Máni, the moon. At Ragnarök, both Sköll and Hati will succeed in their quests.
>In Norse mythology, Hati Hróðvitnisson is a warg, wolf that according to Gylfaginning chases the Moon across the night sky, just as the wolf Sköll chases the Sun during the day, until the time of Ragnarök when they will swallow these heavenly bodies, after which Fenrir will break free from his bonds and kill Odin.
Keywords: Children of Fenrir, chase the chariots that hold the Moon and the Sun, are theorized to all have been Fenrir
The reason I think it's a bit of a stretch is because Zygarde cores aren't really mons by themselves, I don't think.
(2 / 3)
![2z9cGuX[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/RltPnn1.png "2z9cGuX[1].png")
>>25756742
>>25756495
serebiifags need to leave.
>>25755774
>>25757312
>>25757372
>Perfect Zygarde
Presumably based off of Hel. Why?
>High says that Odin sent the gods to gather the children and bring them to him. Upon their arrival, Odin threw Jörmungandr into "that deep sea that lies round all lands," Odin threw Hel into Niflheim, and bestowed upon her authority over nine worlds, in that she must "administer board and lodging to those sent to her, and that is those who die of sickness or old age."
>Most incarnations depict her as a half alive and half dead being, which may have inspired Zygarde's theme of the balance between life and death. The uppermost section on Zygarde Complete Forme resembles a crown with jewels embedded within it, which may be a reference to Hel's title of Queen Hel in Bartholomeus saga postola.
Could also be based off of Loki
>It is also possible that the Complete Forme is based on Loki himself. Loki, like Fenrir and Jörmungandr, fights a god during Ragnarok and is ultimately killed. The colors on Complete Forme's chest match the colors of the real-world flag of France, the country which inspired the region of Kalos. The red and blue markings on either side of Zygarde Complete Forme may represent Yveltal and Xerneas, as this Forme exceeds both of their powers.
Which makes sense as well because Loki's father of these anyway.ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER
>thread dies as I post mythology
You're very cool people who love how Game Freak studies their lore to the full extent.
>>25757698
It's pretty cool actually, thanks for posting that.
>>25757312
>>25757372
>>25757433
they're actually based on the red oni and blue oni from japanese folklore
>>25755822
The only one I'm willing to accept as anime only is that new ash-greninja forme since been said officially by one of their magazines. Even with that, it could clearly be hinting something else coming in the new games involving the next trainer taking the role at becoming the region's 'hero', allowing a certain pokemon taking upon a new forme.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1MissD6VRUY
![1373719868752s[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Y9bBmzU.jpg "1373719868752s[1].jpg")
how come we still don't have official Sugi art? Magearna and Volcanion got one
>>25758918
For what? We have official art for all the Zygarde formes.
>>25755774
Thats as much of a pokemon as the substitute doll
>>25758918
Magearna? Please show
>>25759394
Anime art, yes. That art is not the same as what we have for the games, though. I swear I saw such art in an ad for the TCG, but I can't find this ad anymore.
Zyrgrades 10% form is in pokemon shuffle as a event right now. So its basically confirmed to be included next gen so thats cool
>>25759605
No, we have official Sugimori art. Check serebii or whatever.
>>25761006
We dont. Movies art is not sugimori official
No sugimori Magearna yet either but it will end up being similar anyway
>>25755774
They won't be, but Zygarde's forms will definitely be in Sun and Moon, whether there is an actual "Episode Z" or some shit Im not sure, but they wouldn't do all this marketing and character design for a group of pokemon formes that wont be present in the game data at all.
>>25757385
denialfags need to BTFO
>>25761027
http://www.serebii.net/pokemon/xyzforms.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon.shtml
This is Sugimori art. We're not gonna get any other official artwork.
>>25761826
No it isn't. Official art doesn't equate to Sugimori art.
>>25761874
Well you're not getting any Sugimori art then, just like you didn't for Diancie, Hoopa and Volcanion.
![600px-720Hoopa[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/QLKePYR.png "600px-720Hoopa[1].png")
>>25762081
>just like you didn't for Diancie, Hoopa and Volcanion.
Yes we did. Do you know what Sugimori art actually is or are you just spouting random bullshit?
The Hawaii meme is ironic, right?
>>25763527
That's just a theory,a game theory :^)
We probably won't know what kind of region sun and moon take place in for a month or two at least.
>>25763609
There's a lot of evidence to say it's in southern Kalos. Just look at the Volcanion event.
>>25763527
No, it's obvious as fuck as this point. And this is coming from a gen 6 fag.
>>25763628
There is actually very little, most of that "evidence" is just fan theories
>>25763642
>hahah LoL LE RAINBOW!!!! xDD Le Epic YeLLoW TRaCk of Le Hawaii!!!!!! Z was ÐèŁàYéD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! %%%VerLisiFy WaS ®i9hT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! x°°D
Yeah ok
>>25763653
Except they keep talking about Kalos and the new Zygarde forms just started to be relevant outside of Japan.
>>25763716
Only in the anime, the last time they talked about Zygarde was when the other forms were revealed like last year
>>25763716
I can make things sound stupid by ironically shitposting too faggotron. That doesn't make all the evidence for Hawaii not exist.
They can still link it to Kalos by either A. using a ship or B. using hoopa holes like they did in ORAS.
>>25755822
They've never introduced a new form to a legendary and not included it in the games, why the hell would they start now with Zygarde?
>>25763735
The XYZ anime just started, and it's at the first few episodes in America, and as far as I know Europe will need to wait like three more months. Also it's in the spinoffs, but I guess that doesn't mean much.
>>25763752
The whole idea of an Hawaiian region right after Hoenn is dumb. Remember what we got after Hoenn last time? The exact opposite.
Honestly, the ONLY real piece of evidence as far as I am concerned that Sun and Moon are connected to Kalos is that it was stated that a "hint" towards the next games (sun and moon) was "Flowers', which was a Kalos thing. Even then though Its hard to say.
>>25763776
Yeah and I'm sure you thought Infernape and Emboar wouldn't be Fire/Fighting because getting multiple Fire/Fighting starters in a row would be stupid. GF will do whatever they want.
>>25763810
Nah, making everything Fire/Fighting isn't stupid. I was hoping Braixen was as well. I hope the next starters won't be as disappointing as XY's.
>>25763527
Hopefully yes, but it's also the kind of bullshit I can see GameFreak totally doing
>>25763776
The idea is that you reuse assets so you can churn out a new game just in time for the anniversary hype. With Pokemon models being mostly ripped straight from XY the only thing left to do is creating new models for the new Pokemon (forms).
Tell me this isn't something right up GameFreaks alley.
>>25763894
They could reuse assets from both XY and ORAS and make it in southern Kalos as well though.
Serious question here.
Would you be opposed to the starters of the next region being the previously undocumented juvenile forms of that region's Legendary Trio? Obviously they wouldn't be obtained through the professor, but through other circumstances that result in you caring for it. Its final stage of evolution would also come much later than usual, and might even be linked to some story event or leveling it up in or bringing it to a certain late-game location.
>>25764029
Why not, at least it would be something new.
>>25764029
It might be interesting.
>>25763765
Where the dub is is inconsequential to when new games come out. We are always late, and we will always BE late.
