Is Heracross an objectively perfect Pokemon?
>>25754860
Not if you take the mega into account
>inb4 it's supposed to look like shit!!
Well it wss deemed good enough to not give an evo to it. I guess you don't mess with perfection.
lol no
>>25754863
he's glorious
Stop! you have 10 seconds to find one flaw in this goddess.
>Protip: You cant
>>25754877
Heatran's a cool guy
>>25754863
People don't like mega heracross? Are they always contrarian fucks?
>>25754877
4x weak to ground
a pokemon that resides in a Volcano gets Eruption via event that rigged its nature to quiet
into the Trash
>>25754863
I don't mind the mega honestly, but regular Heracross will always be a best.
>>25754881
He's pretty chill
>>25754881
>>25754889
It's funny because Heatran is a Fire type, lives in volcanoes, and has "heat" in his name :^)
I just don't see what people like about it.
Fat beetle, not even a fantastic animal, with stubby limbs and a weird face.
I thought it was just one of those Pokémon people liked because it had good stats and nothing more.
>>25754860
Great design, unique type, new encounter method in gen 2, good stat distribution. Shame about the flying weakness so not perfect, but it's pretty fucking close
>>25754902
>take an existing animal
>make slight changes so the inspiration is still obvious but it's cartoonified enough to be a Pokemon
>not overdesigned with spikes and shit, and has a simple color palette
>is a Bug type, and a very strong one
>is cute, yet imposing (dat horn and bipedal stature)
>great in battle, but not so much that it's game breaking and saturated the metagame so much that you become sick of seeing it
He's perfect. I'll never understand why Bugsy didn't use him in gen 2.
>>25754860
>another "heracross is the perfect pokemon"
So much insecurity that needs protectiom and ego that needs feeding, I see
>>25754935
>simple colour pallet
this fucker is literally all one colour, shits boring
>>25754935
>Here are some very subjective traits
>It's objective perfect
>>25754883
Mega Heracross isn't partiularly popular anywhere, I dont see how you find that contrarian.
>>25754877I really can't
>>25754902
This. It's so fucking overrated. It wasnt even a good pokemon in its debut and learned fuckall moves. Must have been the anime. Just like how many primeapefags are here clinging on to those two episodes or something
>>25754935
>slight changes
So...removing a pair of legs and calling it a day? It's literally just my mom's beetle
>>25754883
Doesn't matter if it makes sense or has inspiration, it still looks dreadful.
>>25754883
It's the single ugliest motherfucker to come out of gen VI besides maybe Mega Sharpedo
>>25754951
>It wasnt even a good pokemon in its debut
Even smogfags disagree. It's OU in gen 2 meta.
>huge attack
>good defenses
>good speed, especially for a BALK centric meta
>STAB Megahorn
>>25754968
D-did I mention it has good stats!? >>25754902
>>25754968
>STAB Megahorn
>lv 54
Enjoy using fury cutter until then
>>25754970
>it wasn't even good in its debut
>argument that depends entirely on battle viability
>D-dont mention stats though
Fucking retard
>>25754968
>>25754970
>muh minmaxed sp atk and atk
Still a boring design. Pretty sure people who like this were proto-smogonfags as evidenced by their new take on why it's the "perfect" pokemon
heracross is the very definition of the word 'perfect'
>>25754860
you seem to have posted the wrong bug OP don't worry I got you.
>>25754877
Ugly as fuck.
>>25755347
I prefer Pinsir over Heracross too.
>>25755370
>being a kuwagatard
>>25755463
>tfw your last name is kuwaga
>Heracross
>is a rhinoceros beetle
>>25755476
>being a literal kuwagatard
I still can't get over the fact that I spent about 15 years thinking that his head was huge and it didn't protrude from his body.
>>25754937
>this guy doesn't get it
It's ok anon, I've been wrong before too
>>25754860
Kamen Rider. That is why it is perfect.
This is now a bug type thread.
Post Heracross and other bugs.
>>25754860
Yes, and so is Volcarona. However, Mega Heracross has problems, lots of problems.
>>25754902
>>25754937
>>25754938
>>25754943
>>25754951
>>25754995
I don't understand.
>>25755565
>>25755572
What problems?
>highest attack of any non-legend
>tailwind setup lets you rip holes in your opponent's team
>pretty boss-ass design with cool in game animations
>bulky enough to take a few hits
>skill link rock blast kills all fire types bar heatran
I don't understand all the mega heracross hate, I use him all the time, he's fantastic
>>25755528
I'm wrong, sure. Whatever you need to tell yourself
>>25755661
looks like shit. worst representation of a Hercules beetle.
>>25755661
Pretty sure people are referring to its design when they say he's shit
>>25755676
Nah man, designs cool. Got those awesome arm cannons.
>>25755680
Nah man, designs cool. Got those awesome arm cannons.
>>25755693
they dont even make sense, beetles dont have projectiles, and he isnt a special attacker. he is just a bulbous retard.
>>25755513
What, you mean this whole dome is not a head
>>25755709
Nah man, you're a bulbous retard.
>Rock Blast
>Pin Missile
>Bullet Seed
>Skill Link
>Fucking Arm Cannons
And they have that rad cool-off animation too, it's awesome. Hes like, part robot almost. Probably because he's a killing machine
>>25755747
>*I switch in ferrothorn with rocky helmet*
lol stop hitting yourself
why the fuck would you ever use
>pin missile
>bullet seed
you could make a case for rock blast. but those other to moves are worthless and guts is a better ability.
>>25755776
>Rock Blast Doesn't make contact
Fucking kek
>>25755784
Bullet seed destroys Swampert/Gastrodon/Quagsire/Slowbro/etc.
And decent grass types are hard to come by.
>>25755776
Also, ferrothorn is for faggots who can't get a decent team together anyway
>>25755825
*teleports behind you, unsheathes katana and severs your spine with a single slash*
Pssh, nothing personnel
>>25755847
Explain please.
>>25755661
Problems: the design : )
The fact that it makes Heracross'previouslysignature move; Megahorn, useless compared to Pin Missile.
>single stage pokemon
>>25755850
Surely you b8
>>25754877
It literally looks like a turd
>>25754860
It's my favorite bug type, for sure
>>25755864
Everybody in OU who has no idea of what's going on always slaps ferrothorn on their team
>8/10 times it's their lead
>Can always switch a fire type in on it
>they either pussy out and i get a free switch, or die to a fire attack
>Always Stealth Rock/Leech Seed/Gyro Ball/Spikes
>Opponent usually rage quits after I OTK it
Look heracrossfags, i get it that you like to suck your beetle bro's BBC but proclaiming it as "perfect" and attempting to convince people to believe that is a different level of autism and dickriding
>>25755883
Except pin missile is literally shit and can't hold a candle to megahorn.
Except, like, I guess it has more accuracy or something
>>25755837
so mega heracross is a shitty looking one trick pony to kill water types?
>>25755923
Are you stupid? What ability does Mega Heracross have? Yeah, exactly. Pin Missile guaranteed to outdamage Megahorn.
>>25755951
Nah nah man
>Ton of coverage moves
>Megahorn and Close Combat have upwards of 120 base power, boosted by a base 180 (185?) atk stat plus STAB
>Bulky enough to take a couple neutral hits before going down
>Tailwind setup let's it rip the competition
>Skill Link boosts Arm Thrust/Pin middle if you don't want to go full powertrip
>You could probably run full tank if you wanted
>Crobat w/ Tailwind +eject button is hilarious with Megacross
Fucking do your research
>>25755998
Are you stupid? Base 120 power will always hit harder than base 15 x5
>>25754860
>>25756001
Talonflame says hi
>Perfect status validity: voided
>>25756009
Except it doesn't. Plus, added chances of critical hits.
Heracrossfags are getting a new kind of annoying
>>25756024
Hey hey, how 'bout that shit.
An error has been made, my bad sir
>>25756011
Tyranitar says hi
>assuming we won't cover our asses in case of OU bird
>>25756072
>claim heracross is "perfect"
>show an actual valid flaw
>tyraniturrrr
Do you faggots even know what "perfect" means?
>>25756121
I never claimed it to be perfect, I'm advocating Megacross over here
(Hes fucking awesome in case you were wondering)
But yeah, he's pretty much allergic to flying attacks
>>25756072
>a "perfect" pokemon relies on another pokemon
That's not how your claim works
>>25756157
Read above
Also, I bet you smell like a faggot
>>25756189
This thread literally starts with that claim.
What does faggot even smell like? I bet it takes one to know one, fag?
>>25756204
It smells like you
And again, I was advocating Megacross, nothing else. I just hate how people always bash him even though he's the best fighting type in the game.
Heracross is completely vulnerable to flying types and OU bird especially though.
Even though [\spoiler] Talonflame is for faggots
>>25755776
>*I switch in ferrothorn with rocky helmet*
Neither of those attacks make contact
>>25754935
>I'll never understand why Bugsy didn't use him in gen 2.
Because gen 2 was all about cucking johto pokemon.
>>25756009
pin missile has base 25 power in gen 6 you dumb fuck
>>25756891
See above faggot, I was already informed
>>25754877
not only is it terribly designed and i hate looking at it, it's pretty much required to have air balloon
>>25754860
That's a funny way to spell Bisharp
>>25755565
elite 4 destroyer coming through
>People acting like there can only be one perfect pokemon
>>25754877
Retarded Legendary status.
Seriously, it would be much better as a pseudo. It even has genders, but can't breed, for no conceivable reason. Hey, you know, I'd be ok with it if it was the first legendary to be able to breed. But as it is, it's just a stupid idea.
>>25754860
That's not how you spell Mega-Venusaur, anon.
>>25754943
He never said it objectively. It's your own damn fault for assuming everyone sees their own opinion as objective fact.
Blade is a cutie
>>25761167
Yea he is too bad he's not a pokemon
>>25761356
Don't you tell him what he can and can't be.0w0
>>25755884
>Single stage Pokémon that will never get an evolution because it already got a Mega
>>25755672
Why are you such a bitter asshole?
>>25756121
>the existence of another pokemon is a flaw
Are you retarded?
>>25756037
I bet you're a Gardevoir fan :^)
>>25754877
It's cry sounds like a Gabite getting murdered with a chainsaw.
>>25754860
minus the mega, yes it is perfect
>>25755899
Do you think Heatran came from Groudon's butt?Haha
>>25756204
Faggots tend to smell nice, as slobbery is less prevalent in that demographic because they have to both compete with and impress other guys. Typically it depends on whatever products they're wearing at the time.
>>25764822
Far from
>>25755347
>pinsir learns more fighting moves than most fighting types
>his mega makes him flying
>>25755913
>>25755572
I agree, Volcarona is also perfect.
Heracross and Pinser are too overrated. Heracross isn't bad, and I don't hate it's mega, but I see nothing memorable in it besides its horn. Pinser is just plain ugly, and it's mega is terrible looking. I'd definately take Heracross over him, I guess.
>>25754860
>Is Heracross an objectively perfect Pokemon?
Psssh. It isn't even the best Bug type.
>>25754860
>mega gets slower
>>25765646
Why did they have to ruin Mega Garchomp?
>>25754955
>>25754955
>Aromatisse
>Slurpuff
>Doublade
>Goodra
>Mega Ampharos
>>25754860
No Pokemon is objectively perfect.
Heracross is one of the geatest, though.
>>25765502
I disagree, but I do love Shedinja. Being 2 of my favorite types and having a unique little gimmick makes him one of my more loved mons. The concept behind his design is neat and he's cute.
>Heracross
>Volcarona
>Shedinja
>Galvantula
>Escavalier
>Scizor
>M-Beedrill
>Crustle
>Armaldo
>Scyther
Them Bug catchers have good taste in type preference. I fucking hate GF for making them ineffective against Fairy though, and Smogonbird shits all over our fun without careful play involving sneaky pebbles and sash.
