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What is /vp/'s opinion on Heliolisk/Helioptile? I'm not sure how to feel about them....
>>25739917
Heliolisk is good. Could be better without the shapes and lines pasted all over it, which brings me back to why its better than Helioptile. Helioptile's proportions are awful and the lines and shit all over it are bad.
All that being said, I don't mind it too much, and I really like Heliolisk.
>>25739917
It just works
>>25739958
o-oh my
He's a godsend in UU.
With Dry Skin walling most Suicune sets and just tearing apart Swampert with Grass Knot, he's a must-have for the most scald-abusing tier on Showdown.
I want to fuck, or be fucked by one
>>25739917
It reminds me of Gex, so i like it.
>>25739917
It's a nice design, but such an obvious setup for a later Mega based on its incomplete feel.
I wish its Def weren't so horrid since it could be a pretty usable Pokemon if it weren't so physically fragile.
HP 62 --> 82 (+20)
Atk 55
Def 52 --> 82 (+30)
SAtk 109
SDef 94
Spe 109
Total 481 --> 531 (+50)
Puts it on equal BST with Gogoat.
Be is a very good, albeit situational, Pokemon in BatleSpot singles as well. He is great on sun teams with solar power, pairing well with CharY and, to a lesser extent Ninetails. The dry Skin set works well as an answer to Suicune and other water types, and he can even spread status if you want. Looks really neat as well.
Gets my stamp of approval.
>>25739917
It's kinda weird that it doesn't get a single Fire type move. No, not even sunny day.
I mean, I'm not saying it should've been Electric/Fire, although if they wanted to I guess they could've done that -- It's just odd that a sun-based pokémon can't wield a fire attack.
>>25739917
They're good, Heliolisk is often underappreciated in competitive, especially on weather teams.
I have one namedSheila
I feel almost like Helioptile was meant for gen 5, but they didn't finish its design or held it back for whatever other reason.
There's that desert before Nimbasa city that would've been a perfect fit for it, and it could've been used in Elesa's gym directly afterward.
The area you find it in in X and Y is a little awkward....
>>25740090
>incomplete feel
Nice implications friend.
>>25739956
>shapes and lines pasted all over it
Lizards have patterns on them you fuck. This is one of the cases where shapes and lines make sense. And they're still moderate.
>>25740225
Just compare it to Pokemon from 3-stage lines. It more closely aligns with Frogadier than Greninja, and Fraxure than Haxorus. That is to say, it doesn't look fully formed.
Helioptile is super cute.
>>25740281
>Just compare it to Pokemon from 3-stage lines.
It's not a three stage line and it doesn't need to be. Not everything has to be a fucking hulking monstrosity.
It's just as complete as Raichu.
>>25740332
I'd still like to see Mega Heliolisk with Electric/Dragon typing with a Dragon-type -ate ability.
>>25740332
The point I'm making is that it looks like the second stage from a three stage line, not like the final stage in a two stage line.
Raichu is really a three stage line, you know. I'd compare it to Pikachu too.
>>25739917
My brother breeds rare bearded dragons, they are typically kind of red/orange. Since the line is based (I can only assume; if not they have similarities) on bearded dragons I like to pretend if Pokemon were real, then the one he gave me would be one of my bros. It'd be a shiny ofc cause of the red coloring and the rarity and it's name would be Meatball because that's what I named mine.
RIP Meatball. You're still alive to me.
>>25740390
I think with it's frills down, you;d be right, but when it starts showing them off, it's easier to see how it's a fully realized final form, IMO.
>>25740390
Pichu does not fucking count. Babies are bullshit.
It looks just as complete as Azumarill, Clefable, Starmie, or any smaller final form. There is nowhere for its design to expand except into some big dinosaur shit that ruins its appeal.
Heliolisk is my shoulder bro, that's how much I like the guy.
>>25740409
It's clearly a frilled lizard m8.
>>25739917
Heliolisk/Helioptile.
Interesting Pokémon.
Friendly reminder based Heliolisk can outspeed and paralyze any base 108 speed Non-Scarfed/Limber/Electric pokemon with a 100% accurate Glare including Landorus and Garchomp
>>25740566
>if not they have similarities
Heliolisk in Gen 5 = Uber
Prove me wrong
>>25739917
that's a neopet
>>25739966
>>25740011
>>25740555
>>25740566
According to the numbers, it should make impact…
>>25739917
It's cool, but the whole line feels unfinished. It could use another evolution.
>>25739917
Helioptile's head is a bit too 'perfect sphere' for my tastes, and something seems off about its frills.
Helioptile is perfect as is.
>>25742627
>Heliolisk is perfect as is.
>>25739917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg54fyKZNWo
>>25739917
Cool design. Should've just been pure Electric though.
>>25740110
>Be
>>25739917
It's a clusterfuck design.
>supposed to be a solar panel lizard
>doesn't learn solar beam
>has an ability that damages it in sun
>>25739917
Design-wise, it looks alright but I'm not really sure what they were going for. I can't imagine the person who spent hours every day for weeks researching lizards, drawing out variations of the design, and then taking it to meetings with Masuda. It's just a lizard with a spiky neck.
Competitively, it's pretty fun. I've found that it's one of those things that in theory is fantastic, but when you try it it just dies before being able to do anything. It does make for a pretty fun counter to Smeargle and Kyogre in VGC with Electric Terrain and Dry Skin though.
>>25742663
>Arquius
>>25740090
Should probably be Ground type instado of normal. Heck, Fire type even
Also, megas dont gain HP
would use as an umbrella/10
>>25739917
Weird type combo that felt tacked on just for the sake of having a new type combo.
>>25743009
its not mega just a stat upgrade
It has the stats and looks of the middle stage of a 3-stage evolution.
Fun pokemon to use in game at least. lots of movepool variety.
>>25743059
fuck stone evos in game
>>25742837
Chlorophyll wouldn't make sense on it.
Not being able to learn Solarbeam is pretty retarded, though. Give it Flamethrower too, it suffers from having awful coverage that every other Electric-type has.
Heliolisk by far my fav 6th gen Pokémon it's desing is excellent and pretty he's one of my bro who outspeed some common sweepers in UU named Infernape, Mienshao
It's a lot cuter than it has any right to be
>>25743093
If an ability's theme doesn't make sense but they still want the mechanics they just remake it. See: Solid Rock and Filter.
>>25743344
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People making me want to breed one of these things
>>25743344
Damn
>>25739917
Favorite electric type.
Absolutely needed another evolution, but because of Megas, we'll probably just get Mega Heliolisk in gen 7 instead.
Best bro
Maybe the best 6th Gen Desing
I hadn't played a single Pokemon game since gen II and then I started playing Y. 7 Badges in, Heliolisk is easily one of the strongest Pokemon on my team and not because of the stats, that I don't think are anything to write home about, but Dry Skin + Parabolic Charge + Ground attacks make it ridiculously strong.
Helioptile is way to goofy cutesy for my liking. It was tough to justify the evolved form on my team because of that.
It's not bad here and there. Interesting ability and typing though. It can be useful in niche situations. Still, not an evolutionary family I would go out of my way to use.
>>25739917
I like it but why the fuck is it Normal-type? I understand Pyroar is Normal so that it can get STAB on all those Normal-type sound moves (specifically hyper voice) but I really can't see any thematic reason for Heliolisk being part Normal. I feel like Gamefreak just threw it in for no reason other than having another unique type combo.
I wonder what Heliolisk would have been like in competitive Gen V.
>>25748561
The only thing I can really see that makes it standout from mono-Electrics is that it needs an external source (the Sun) to generate electricity. But Electric/Fire would've been more fitting.
>>25747596
>dat nipple
I really like it as an in-game mon. Never used it outside of that though
>>25743344
>The Filename
>tfw fell in love with its design upon first sight which hasn't happened to me in over 15 years, essentially 2nd favorite pokemon behind the evolution line I first fell in love with
>caught a Helioptile in my first XY run that ended up having an ok nature (Hasty), and finding out months later that it had decent IVs in relevant stats
>reset bagged all of my ingame pokemon post Elite 4, EV trained them then went out into the battle spot and occasionally challenged other people who were playing competitively
>maiming all the Mega Lucario's, Mega Kangaskhans and Mega Blazikens before they set up with whats essentially an ingame Heliolisk holding a Life Orb
>all the Belly Drum Azumaril users having no idea what Dry Skin does and feeding him waterfalls on the switch
>low health Aegislashs trying last ditch Shadow Sneak only to find out Heilolisk is part normal as they put theirself into sword form to be picked off by Thunderbolt
>Lead Greninjas giving me free momentum by u-turning on Heliolisk's slower Volt Switch
>some of them staying in to Hydro Pump, only to find out what Dry Skin does as Volt Switch scores the OHKO
>experiment by changing out Volt Switch for Charge Beam
>occasionally swept entire teams after getting to +1 on a weakened pokemon
>start breeding for perfect IV Heliolisks weeks later, recreating the current moveset I had
>fast forward about a year, now have about 5 or 6 unique competitive Heliolisks
>one of them is a central cog on my main triples team which is also mono electric
>tfw finding out on accident that Electrify works on ground types
best lizard, greatest lizard
I just feel like it needs a little more in either it's speed or spa, simply because i find myself always using either scarf or specs with it.
>>25748561
right, i don't understand the normal typing either. its a little fitting, i just cant say why. Like >>25751862 said, a fire secondary type would have been awesome with dry skin. however having the sun up would make it an absolute monster with the boost in fire moves and solar power.
>>25739958
kill yourself
>>25739917
I still accidentally read his name as "Heliosk".
Personally I like the way that sounds better.
>>25753673
SOMEONE FIND THE ONE THAT ISNT A THUMBNAIL STAT
>>25742837
>clusterfuck design
nah it's pretty fine
as for those, it absorbs the sun, but doesn't really releases light, it's a solar panel after all
as for abilities, I put it to the "motor being unable to handle the intensity"
Helioptile's easily one of my fav mons of this Gen. Fell in love with it the second I played with it in Amie and saw that precious happy dance. Heliolisk has a pretty solid design too, but I prefer the prevo because cute
>>25748561
Pretty much echoing this. Hell even Electric/Ground would've made more sense because its a desert-dweller and gets Sand Veil.
Sunburnt shiny colors kinda fit with Dry Skin, though I guess.
>>25739917
His smell like lemon pie
Love the design but it's abilities are fucking retarded. It's a lizard that's powered by the sun but the sun damages it...really?
>>25753524
make me
>>25756215
Kaioken damage/hurt the user your argument is invalid
I really love Heliolisk and want to find some way to use him in a team
any suggestions for team comp?
>>25739917
It might be my favourite Kalos pokemon. And Kalos generally had good pokemon.
>>25756215
Why does Solar Power deplete your HP in the first place? Does that even make sense?
>>25756599
In 5Gen Fucking Yes
In 6Gen Nope.avi
>Sun Pokemon
>Strongest in Rain
Need mega, its only say
>>25739917
Looks like a middle stage, like charmeleon. Needs another.
>>25758837
>>25743058
>>25742373
>>25746832
>>25740090
What is this fucking meme? What the fuck would "complete" it? Turning into another generic kaiju?
It's pretty cool but I do hate it being half normal, being weak to fighting is pretty noticeable.
The best
I wonder if Heliolisk will be relevant to Pokémun and Pokémoon.
Probably not.
Literally my favorite gen 6 line
bump because best lizard
Heliolisk line is cool as hell in my opinion. The way its neck flares out when it attacks is sick. Has a pretty good movepool as well.
>>25739917
Its design is great, it looks like an awesome bro and salamanders/reptiles are cool, whats not to love about him?
>>25739917
If only it wasn't one point short of being Base 110 in Speed... Why does GameFreak have to be made up of trolls?
>>25748561
>>25751862
I've always thought normal types were supposed to be either pokémon that can become other types (Ditto, Porygon, Kecleon, Arceus) or warm-blooded pokémon, like birds and mammals. So Helioptile/Heliolisk could be freaky warm-blooded reptiles or something.
>Volt Switch
>HP Fire
>Grass Knot
>Hyper Voice
thoughts on my sun team set? Can't really decide on an item, want to run Life orb as usual but losing 18% every single turn kinda scares me
>>25766321
Well, battles are fast anyway, so it's probably pretty worth it.,
>>25766321
Heliolisk is frail as hell. I assure you it does not matter.
