why is game freak so obsessed with fire/fighting starters?
>>25733451
Because they were good until Emboar.
>>25733457
They were shit until Emboar, you mean.
>>25733457
But Emboar is great.
Unless you mean stat-wise, but even then.
>>25733451
only good other type was this motherfucker.
He was fucking badass for his time.
He needs more rep.
He was just as popular as charizard at the time. everyone picked him.
>>25733493
he is the worst johto starter, incredibly boring to play
>>25733451
>the original fire/fighting
>also the best fire/fighting
Why is torchic line so based?
>>25733493
and I guess Sceptile from ruby was good but gen 3 sucked too much.
Its fucking annoying how much rep gen 3 is getting like with pokken, gen 2 gets no rep at all for some reason. maybe it will with gen 7.
>>25733507
What, he was the best design, what are you even talking about. everyone I knew picked him straight out in school.
>>25733508
>always see gemwunners say the "which gen 1 starter do you choose"
>always say Torchic
>they're always like, "what's that Pokémon"
>>25733518
kids are dumb, Chikorita is best johto starter
>>25733507
Chikorita exists, anon.
>>25733477
>But Emboar is great.
Sure, if you ignore his design, stats, movepool and rehashed nature, he's excellent.
>>25733493
>He was just as popular as charizard at the time.
Let's not delude ourselves into thinking anything from Johto was popular except Lugia. They're all retarded looking shitmons.
>>25733539
>Implying his design is a problem
Nah mate, feel free to fuck off.
>into thinking anything from Johto was popular except Lugia
nm why am I responding this is retardation
>>25733493
He actually would of been a great choice for pokken, instead of two pikachus and mewtwos and a lamp.
>>25733534
Yeah if your fucking boring, who actually picked that thing.
>>25733539
>fucking tyranitar
>fucking bear
I shouldnt even be responding too you.
Infernape was the real GOAT at least for the main game. Watch as Barry shits his pants when his water starter is weak to your fire starter. Seriously, who greenlighted that starter balance in Gen 4? Torterra would be nice to counter Infernape with in theory but he gets assblasted by flare blitz before he can say his own name
>>25733451
They wanted to go with the chinese zodiac pattern.
>>25733564
Chikorita was a great tank, sit back, poison everything and laugh
>>25733539
>rehashed nature
Let's be honest here, the only rehashed fire fighter was Infernape.
It was basically what of blaziken was a monkey.
>>25733577
Yet no one picked it, ever. horrible design.
>>25733592
imo it was the best looking one, Typhlosion looks like some retarded sloth and Feraligator is an ugly lizard
>>25733475
>>25733451
http://strawpoll.me/7201631
>>25733577
That just makes is a punching bag.
>>25733493
I bet gen 2 will be getting its rep time this time around. frealigetr will be the charizard of sun and moon.
>>25733493
Also
>comes out of the sea
>A reptile
His mega will be Godzilla.
fire/water
>>25733571
Doesn't Empoleon's line learn Aqua Jet? Having Close Combat doesn't count for much when you're a glass cannon.
>>25733608
>http://strawpoll.me/7201631
>Typhlosion winning
Best taste
>>25733608
>homer simpson winning
>>25733608
>Infershits getting rekt
>>25733635
+2 252+ Atk Empoleon Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Infernape: 288-342 (98.2 - 116.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
>>25733717
How about the same calc but with a mach punch from Infernape?
>>25733717
Did a mach punch calc, guranteed 3HKO. Well blow me down
At least he has a chance to live the Aqua Jet and OHKO with Close combat.
>>25733749
+2 252+ Atk Iron Fist Infernape Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 330-390 (106.7 - 126.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
But then, on the first calc is assuming that Infernape allows it to set up instead of Close Combating the penguin's ass
>>25733608
Blaze Chicken > Typhoon Explosion > Inferno Ape > Charred Lizard > Delphic Fox > Ember Boar.
>>25733451
Blaziken was too succesful for them so they tried to replicate its success 2 more times, but the design quality went to shit so they never caught on.
If fire starters ever had their own Lucario this would be it, except it took GameFreak 1 more generation to realize lightning never strikes twice.
>>25733451
Because fire and fighting fits so well if you've seen every anime with fist fights
>>25733493
>Everyone picked him
>>25734035
I'm talking about the 90's, kid.
>>25733634
yes please
>>25733608
>typhlosion in first
I love the guy, but let's not kid ourselves; the only reason it's even remotely usable is Eruption. Its base stats are literally the same as Charizard's, too.definitely the comfiest fire starter though, no questions asked
>>25734035
>chikorita in last
is this really surprising
it's literally the worst starter across all generations
>>25733493
>everyone picked him
In my friend circle Cyndaquil was the go-to pleb pick. I was the only hipster who ran a Chikorita. I used to tease my friend all the time with that one Cyndaquil card I had and he didn't, and I never even cared about Cyndaquil.
>>25734051
>90's
>pokemon gsc
please b troll
>>25734098
you speak with such propaganda behind your words. have you ever noticed that?
who are you trying to control?
>>25734090
Snivy and RSE Treecko were way worse for me
>>25734122
wat
>>25733589
>the only rehashed fire fighter was Infernape.
Man are you fucking legitimately retarded?
Infernape was rehashed in type but its concept was completely different. Emboar was rehashed in type AND concept. And its design is dogshit.
>>25734119
Everyone who grew up around 90-91 didn't really use or have a computer later on in 2000. We just watched toonami and played on consoles/handhelds.
>>25734470
Shit I meant were born in the early 90s but yeah guess it works either way. The only forms was geosite fanpages, which were ten times better than what the internet is now sadly.
>>25733608
seriously /vp/?
>>25734470
Yeah man. Pogs, gushers, ninja turtles radical skateboard Power Rangers.
>>25733493
>He was just as popular as charizard at the time.
>>25734011
>Bland, boring, only-gets-bigger, monotype, watered-down+no-wings Charizard being higher than any other fire starter
>>25734177
you dont speak information like a human, but speak like the media. speaking your view as its the only correct view, instead of just giving the information.
you may think im insulting you since your last reply was "wat", but I think you should look up the word propaganda and maybe you will figure out why acting like cnn is never a good thing.
>>25733451
Well now it's good for fairies
>>25734158
I mean, at least Snivy now has Contrary to spam Leaf Storm with.
>>25733518
>for some reason
This should not be surprising. All of Johto's starters are bland and uninspired compared to the awesomeness of Hoenn's starters. Just be thankful you got Suicune as a Johto rep and stop complaining you faggot.
>>25733493
Feraligatr is so fucking ugly. How the hell can anyone like that thing besides nostalgia-blind Johtoddlers?
>>25734225
>Infernape was rehashed in type but its concept was completely different.
Yeah sure, tell me that it isn't just a frail Blaziken.
Meanwhile Emboar is used in a totally different way to the both of them.
Also concept doesn't matter at all when it comes to if they were rehashed or not. It's always usage.
>>25734225
Emboar's stat spread alone differentiates him the most from the other two
>>25734225
>Emboar was rehashed in type AND concept. And its design is dogshit.
It's hard to take literal retards like you seriously
>Typholsion winning
I'm disappointed, but not surprised. Around half the gyms were weak to fire making Cyndaquil the penultimate easymode. Why raise a team when you can mash Ember/Flame Wheel and win? I remember doing a Crystal run with Typhlosion when I was younger and ended up restarting before Clair because the whole run felt like my hand was being held.
The whole reason Whitney being hard ever became a meme was because she was the first opponent you couldn't beat using one move. If someone chose Tododile (Intermediate mode) or Chikorita (Expert mode), she'd pose little to no threat.
Fire types were designed for the 9 year old who had no idea what team building or strategy are, this is proven when they started slapping fire/fighting on later starters, which would give fire starters an edge on near all gyms thanks to fighting being one of the best offensive types in the game. What's really surprising is that people haven't outgrown using fire types or even using starters altogether. Shit's embarrassing.
>>25733815
>hidden ability
>gen IV
>>25733815
>Iron fist
+2 252 Atk Infernape Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 252-296 (81.5 - 95.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
If both set up then Infernape would lose unless it used close combat.
>>25733608
I say this as someone who likes Typhlosion - why is it winning? I'm confused as to how it's apparently better liked than Blaziken, Infernape, and Charizard.
>>25735109
Maybe they are like me and used it on their first playthrough?
Gold was my first pokemon game.
>>25734962
>>25734531
Why has hate for Typhlosion on /vp/ suddenly exploded in the last couple of months?
>>25735141
>Last couple of months
Try since their inception, the Johto starters never caught on with the masses and generally were forgotten for the most part.
Later on when competitive started to become a thing they went lower and lower down the rungs of popularity particularly Typhlosion when people realised it was just a flightless Charizard with a terrible movepool.
>>25734090
Chespin is infinitely worse.
>>25735291
I don't think you're aware as to how bad Chikorita is anon.
>>25735302
Chikorita is at least cute.
Chespin and its evolutions are hideous.
>>25734962
>Fire types are easy mode!
This isn't true in any game outside of 2nd Gen, you donkey.
>>25735267
I remember Typhlosion always being liked. In the last couple of months under-18 posters have started shitting on all the Johto starters.
>>25733608
>http://strawpoll.me/7201631
>the world shits on Emboar; the quiz; the experience; the movie
>>25735141
>>25735141
Because he's about to get a Mega.
>>25734962
>Fire types were designed for the 9 year old who had no idea what team building or strategy are, this is proven when they started slapping fire/fighting on later starters, which would give fire starters an edge on near all gyms
Except for Gen 3, which was the gen where they started the whole Fire/Fighting thing.
If you picked it you were at a severe disadvantage due to most gyms being SE to Fire or fighting or resisting it.
For example Roxanne, Winona, Liza and Tate and Wallace/Juan all do SE damage to Blaziken.
Flannery resists fire obviously and Blaziken doesn't learn any decent fighting type moves by that point.
>>25735512
>I remember Typhlosion always being liked.
They've never been particularly liked anon. They may have been in your particular circles but everywhere else they're either shat on for their competitive abilities, or lack thereof, or just go forgotten among the people.
>>25733608
>http://strawpoll.me/7201631
>fire figthing
>listing lizardon, bakphoon and furry fox
>>25735664
>I can't read
>>25733539
His movepool is great. All it lacks is maybe slack off.
>>25733608
>typhlosion votes
So do you guys bother with four moves or just drop the bullshit and only go in with eruption?
>>25735109
There are a lot of HGSS babbies on here.
>>25735291
Chesnaught has really weird niches due to its A rank hidden ability. Meganium is outclassed by Tangela and Chesnaught's pre-evo holding eviolite.
>>25735512
Former Pokemon General poster here. Back from the /v/ days. We always made fun of old nomoves. We also made fun of Charizard's rock allergy and Blaziken for being a useless Infernape. We were proven wrong on two of them. Maybe next gen will be Typhlosions?
>>25735817
>blaziken
>an useless infernape
I think you got the order wrong mate
>>25735839
I told you this was in /v/ Pokemon threads. 4th gen was a different time.
>>25735579
Except when Blaziken stomps on half of the E4 roster and the R/S champion as well, am I right?
>>25735860
Gardevoir, Ludicolo, Blaziken is like my 3rd gen holy trinity. Easy to get. Easy to raise. Destroys anything in your way.
>>25735860
>Except when Blaziken stomps on half of the E4 roster
>half
Eh, Glacia is a bit iffy because of the Walrein and how bulky they were back then, Sydney was shit but they again everything could demolish him.
Also you're forgetting how it's at a severe disadvantage when it comes to Phoebe and Drake.
>>25735839
Before speed boost Infernape was literally 'we need to make Blaziken but actually good'
>>25735956
>Good by making it frail as shit
>>25735956
But Blaziken, while not OU, was pretty good before Speed Boost.
>>25735984
It was the best wallbreaker in 4th gen ou.
>>25733571
You sound cool asf. Would hang out with. Honestly
>>25735984
They gave it a fantastic speed tier for gen IV, gave it 120 bp moves across both stabs in both base 104 attack stats. It also got u-turn, making a perfect scout, also meaning its paper defenses didn't matter.
It didn't lose much in defenses compared to Blaziken, but gained much more survivability by being faster than most of the metagame at the time. This was when 100 was average, not baseline.
>>25735999
Yeah, Infernape was just a much better fit for the 4th gen meta
>>25735956
Nah infernape in gen 4 was a mixed wallbreaker dealing with things like skarmbliss
Blaziken was a slow mon with a big attack stat in UU
>>25734119
Gold and Silver were released in November 1999 in Japan. 1999 is part of the 90s.
The only reason Blaziken's remotely relevant is because of Speed Boost.
>>25733640
I can't decide between the Cyndaquil or Fennekin lines. Cyndaquil was my original fire bro though.
>>25734090
But Emboar's too slow to do shit and can't take any hits despite its HP because it has the lowest defenses.
>>25739371
Still better than Meganium.
>>25735579
also the last fourth of the game was over water
>>25733493
>He was just as popular as charizard at the time.
>>25739371
>He doesnt carry Sucker Punch to surprise the frail Psychics
>>25733608
>There are people on my Earth, breathing my air, that actually like wingless, moveless Charizard.
>mfw
The real answer is because Fire and Fighting types both are highly offensive and overlap in their stereotypes.
>>25733493
>He was just as popular as charizard at the time.
No he wasn't. You were clearly not even born back then, or you'd know.
>>25743800
Yes he was. I didn't know a single kid that didn't have Feraligatr. It was a gator monster that got the new type (Dark) super early, and it looked scary and powerful. Even the girls chose it.
>>25733493
>He was just as popular as charizard at the time
Whatever you say, famalam.
>>25743810
He was popular among the gen 2 starters, yes, but charizard was still way more popular.
>>25743836
>It was a gator monster that got the new type (Dark) super early
Why are you still responding?
>>25743762
Fire mongoose/weasel/echidna(?) is cooler than the dragon
>>25743845
I think he's talking about the moves Bite and Crunch, but being an idiot about it.
>>25735897
I never tried Ludicolo desu
>>25735267
Your fucking retarded,I bet you didn't even live during the time it came out, everyone fucking loved Feraligatr and GSC and their designs are then times better than the shit we got with that boar. first of all the gen is the only gen to actually fucking do something different. After that honen was the hive mind for every single game. If you lived through gen 1 all the way up too gen 3 , A lot of people fucking hated 3. thats around the time pokemon was dying.
>>25743880
I am indeed.
>>25734626
>sucking Hoenn's dick this much
You must love that shitty cock.
>>25743810
>>25743836
This. Feraligatr was the charizard of GSC. He was/is cool as fuck.
>>25735109
Bots
>>25744656
Ten*
