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>Still thinking Pokémon Sun and Moon are Generation VII
Where's that banner from? Can you link us the article maybe? Thanks a lot.
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>>25698637
yeah no don't worry about linking to the article man
>>25698676
>>25698665
because op is a fag
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3831582
>still thinking sun and moon are gen 6
>>25698698
>notbeingabletousethespacebar
>>25698637
Kaloswunners and their 6.5 myths.
ok so, does that article not bring up a single point worth pondering or was I reading too quickly?
>>25698831 has far more points I can agree with, but even then it's really up in the open. They may do something which none of us predicts and smashes what either side believes, who knows?
Reminder that if Sun/Moon has the pentagon it's gen 6.
The first major hint that these games will be gen 6 will be the CoroCoro coming in a few weeks that'll show screenshots of the game that look the same as XY/ORAS.
Why would they make a new gen 6 game for the fucking 20th anniversary?
fuck off with this stupid theory
>>25698637
Lol we're still going on about this?
>>25699002
We don't need "hints" that its still Gen 6. It is so blatantly obvious that its the next generation. If people still need proof, the new fucking starters and legendaries will shut them right the fuck up in a few weeks
>>25699051
>the new fucking starters and legendaries will shut them right the fuck up in a few weeks
No it won't. We already know there are new Pokemon. It won't change anything.
>>25699050
Because keeping it in gen 6 let's them focus on just adding more Pokemon and making a new region. They don't need to change the graphics, engine, mechanics, or anything. And it being the 20th anniversary is all the more reason they might break patterns and make these games so much more ambitious than other mid-gen games.
>>25698831
I don't get how anyone could use the souvenir as an argument against a new gen.
It's just that: a souvenir. The thing is so common where it comes from that there would be absolutely no need to trade to get one. It's the new region's equivalent of a cross or putting a horseshoe above a door.
>>25699085
>I don't get how anyone could use the souvenir as an argument against a new gen.
The fact that it's given to the player at all, has no use in XY/ORAS, and it isn't a key item is an argument against a new gen. IF it has a use in Sun/Moon (which I think it will) the only way to bring it over will be to trade. Bank doesn't transfer items. And trading is a factor of being the same gen.
>>25699109
Gamefreak learned their lesson after the Zoroark and Lock Capsule fiasco. There will never be an event that requires trading again.
The souvenir exists to foreshadow a Gen 7 Pokemon they had on the drawing board, just as the hiker exists to foreshadow a certain facility, city and champion. It's the equivalent of the Johto references in Sinnoh, or the foreign Rocket grunt from Unova. There is no practical purpose.
!! ALERT !! ||| REMINDER ||| !! ALERT !!
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>>25699203
>There is no practical purpose.
If there were no practical purpose they wouldn't have given the player an item. There are plenty of ways to foreshadow shit without giving the player a useless item. Also the lock capsule wasn't for Zoroark, it was for a TM. The Zoroark event went as planned.
>>25699084
Gens refer to new Pokemon much more than anything else, though.
They may not change mechanics but new Pokemon would still make it a new generation.
>>25699233
>new mons
FR/LG/E aren't gen 4.
>being this fucking mad that your gen ended with a subpar Gen 3 remake
Holy fuck, just let it go already. Your precious Snake will probably get an Episode Z anyways.
>>25699248
What?
>>25699269
Deoxys. I'm talking about how even new forms are technically different mons because of base stat changes, anon ; )
>>25699284
fucking stop
if it's not a new number in the national dex it's not a new Pokemon
>>25699284
You're moving the goal post.
>>25699297
Indian elephants.
>>25699301
Nope, that's just how the games are made, how they're coded and everything. I'm ROM hacking OR/AS at the moment, so I've seen the meat of how they do it.
>>25699203
>certain facility
dude I am so hyped for the replica of the replica of the Battle Maison you don't even know
>>25699233
>Gens refer to new Pokemon much more than anything else, though
Nah the overall mechanics do. If they made Z version but added 1 new Pokemon nobody would call it gen 7.
It's time to face the facts, GF can add whatever content they want mid-gen now. With ORAS it was abilities and moves, with SM it will be Pokemon.
If they're going on the idea of new gen games on a new handheld then they forgot about the NEW-3DS meaning its going to be Gen VII
>>25699369
in fact, gens might cease to exist in the future (at least using one definition everyone agrees one). ORAS set the predecent for something not many people predicted
>>25699449
22 new incompatible mons, right?
>>25699369
>but added 1 new Pokemon
this would never happen, the starters alone from a new generation would account for 9 pokemon.
>>25699369
>With ORAS it was abilities and moves
3 unique legendary abilities and moves of box legendaries isn't gamebreaking, it's just basic campaign storytelling.
>>25699449
>>25699477
Actually it would be 21 with the new Hoopa form, but subtracting mega Latios/Latias.
>A-A GENERATION IS A GENERATION!!!!! YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S ONLY HALF!!!
kill yourselves fags
>>25699002
So if we have new pokemon, new region, new megas, new moves and new fucking everything but it has your retarded pentagon the it's gen 6? I am genuinely surprised that these kind of denial retards fucking exist.
>>25698637
This article is fucking retarded for assuming Sun/Moon won't have New3DS-exclusive features. If S/M does, and you can bet it will, and then it will follow B2/W2's logic as being the next generation.
>>25699537
The article is faulty with only that point. It's not a solid point at all, but more or less everything else is.
>>25699502
>A-A GENERATION ISN'T JUST NEW POKEMON LIKE WE'VE ALWAYS AGREED IT WAS!!!!!
>I-IT'S ACTUALLY THIS WHOLE LIST OF OTHER THINGS I PULLED OUT OF MY ASS TO AVOID GETTING BTFO!!!1!!!1!
>AND EVEN IF I DO GET BTFO I'LL JUST CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF GENERATION AGAIN SO I CAN STILL BE RIGHT!1!!
>>25699537
>On the front of cartridges for these games are codes that start with"TWL". Just as the "NTR" on Gen4 games specifies them as DSgames, the "TWL" on the Gen5 games specifies that they are games withDSi features due to the hardware/software different from the previous gen thatallows them to do so. This won't be the case for Sun and Moon. There hasn'tbeen any major changes to the 3DS system that would require the games to have hardware/softwaredifference that would make them Gen7.
Forgot to add that this article's logic completely falls off the cliff with this paragraph. DSi didn't force changes, GF voluntarily added optional features exclusive to the new hardware. Likewise, S/M could very well offer optional New3DS-exclusive features.
His entire argument hinges on the massive assumption that S/M definitively will not include optional New3DS features, when it's obviously too early to know for sure. Complete waste of an article.
Didn't the trailer which introduced Sun and Moon name the year when each new generation of Pokémon came out and then ended with Sun and Moon in 2016?
>>25699369
There's a difference between 1 Pokemon and 70,
anon.
Generations are always defined by the Pokemon added first. The mechanics are what separate them further.
If we were remaining in Kalos, the anime wouldn't be doing what it is. Everything else is semantics at this point.
>>25699582
>LIKE WE'VE ALWAYS AGREED IT WAS!!!!!
No one agreed on this.
>>25699620
>There's a difference between 1 Pokemon and 70,
anon
That's the problem. It's arbitrary as fuck. Where does it get cut off? 2 Pokemon? 10 Pokemon? 30 Pokemon? 60 Pokemon?
Mechanics are a clean and simple way to distinguish generations.
Why is this board filled with so many autistics that can't accept Gen 7 to the point where they have to re-write what a new gen entails?
>new Pokemon don't count
>new region don't count
>no new major mechanics so it doesn't count
>>25699698
I'm not rewriting anything. I always assumed generations were split between mechanics more so than Pokemon. It's especially obvious now with ORAS introducing compatibility breaking megas.
>>25699678
there hasn't needed to be a cutoff so far.
thus far there's been very few Pokemon (usually 1 or 2 but will probably be a few more if you're including Megas) exclusive to the new versions, if you include formes. Games that are considered the start of new generations have always included many more than that, usually ~100. If you can't see the difference then I don't know what to tell you.
>>25699698
I think the problem here is that new pokemon have always been released with a new engine so each generation includes both.
We haven't received any indication that S&M will be a new engine so we can expect shitposting about what a new gen is forever now.
Also post moar panties
>>25699767
Kinda fucking exactly
>>25699772
> If you can't see the difference then I don't know what to tell you.
I can't see the difference because gen 7 fags are flip floppy as fuck as to what counts as a new generation or not. Judging by mechanics is far easier and just as if not more valid.
>>25699002
Reminder that that's not true at all. Future Games could use the same system. Why do you believe that only Gen 6 games will?
>>25699767
But by that logic then gen 5 never happened because no new mechanics were added.
>>25699248
And didn't have new monsters either.
>>25699818
Just because it was an underutilized new mechanic doesn't mean it didn't exist.
>>25699818
??? Type removed. Sleep counter gets reset every switch. A few Pokemon got their types changed. TMs had to be redone so they can't be tradeable. I can keep going if you want.
>>25699818
>What is Rotation and Triple Battles
>>25699818
holy shit, this post illustrates how much triple and rotation battles have failed to catch on. Bravo Gamefreak
>>25699812
because the pentagon is the symbol of Kalos and new gens will have a different indicator
>>25699607
Aye. No third versions, remakes, or BW2.
There was also a brief montage of the champions.
>>25699812
>Why do you believe that only Gen 6 games will?
Because only two more will work with XY. Read the image.
Right, because compatibility matters and GSC are Gen 1 games since they are tradable with RBY and are playable on the Original Gameboy
>>25699937
And how do you know Sun and Moon won't add new Pentagon slots
How do you know that Gen 8 on a system won't have pentagon slots?
Protip:You don't
Guys, stop giving these idiots attention. It's freaking obvious SM will be a new generation. Just wait until next CoroCoro which (hopefully) will reveal the legendaries or starters, then all these idiots will finally shut the fuck up.
>>25699909
Because Hoenn doesnt have a pentagon right? It does, and could very well be in future non 6th gen games
>>25699963
Because XY already has limited pentagon slots. They won't retroactively add slots to XY. If they wanted to implement it the way you're suggesting, they would have just made the pentagon show by default and make all the games BEFORE XY be exceptions, not the other way around.
>>25699981
B...b....b...but muh Johto.
>>25699678
No. New startes is the only way.
>>25698709
>Kaloswunners
That makes no sense just say XYgotes.
>>25699983
Kalos is the 6th region so it makes sense that it would stay for ORAS since those are 6th gen games.
Oh yeah, that's also a big dividing factor between generations: a new region.
>>25699996
They don't need to retroactively add pentagon slots to xy if the new games are a new gen and can't transfer back to xy.
>>25700015
Johto is Gen II, calm down
By OPs logic SuMo still wouldn't be 6.5 because Johto is actually 1.5
>>25700147
But using the same logic as these Gen 6.5 fags Johto games are just Gen 1.5 Games
>>25700169
No because gen 2 has different mechanics from gen 1.
>>25700068
>and can't transfer back to xy
Bank goes two ways.
>>25699248
There aren't new Pokémon in those games you fucking autist.
>>25700176
That doesn't mean anything you fucking retard. Stop making up definitions for what defines a Generation of Pokémon. Fire Red and Leaf Green have the recap when you load the save, those weren't in Ruby and Sapphire, so using your logic FR/LG are 4th Gen games.
>>25700299
And the Vs. Seeker.
>>25700299
Those aren't mechanics. They're features. We're talking about a set of mechanics every game of the same gen must have in order to remain battle and trade compatible.
>>25699818
>infinite TMs
>local multiplayer anywhere
>Global Link
>Triples and Rotations
>True combo moves
>>25698637
You remind me of fundies who deny the Earth is 4 billion years old.
>>25700323
so gen 5 is gen 4.5 right?
>>25700363
Watch somebody's gonna ass pull about why they think this is invalid
>>25700176
But were playable on the same system and compatible with eachother
>>25700363
>Added new battle mechanics
>not compatible with the previous gen.
>>25698637
You remind me of people who won't accept the fact the earth is round
>>25700389
They can't battle though. The mechanics don't match up.
>>25700400
The Earth being round is a fact. SM being gen 7 isn't.
Gen 7 fags are more like the people who think Pluto counts as a planet because they have to force their headcanon definition about what a generation is everywhere.
>>25700430
Pot. Kettle. Black.
>>25700436
>we have observed the world from space
>only GF have seen sun and moon
>>25700430
Dude, Nintendo themselves said sun and moon is gen 7
>>25700447
>Dude, Nintendo themselves said sun and moon is gen 7
They haven't though.
Nintendo don't even go by generations.
>>25700447
They didn't say SM is gen 7 any more than they said Mega Mewtwo is a new Pokemon or that ORAS has a new region
>>25700430
Headcanon? OFFICIALLY, THERE ARE NO GENS. All games are a new story, new setting, and past a certain point, even new pokemon. Compatibility means nothing to them, the newest game is always the standard. You're the one who's lying to themselves.
>>25700446
>can't use reasoning or literacy skills to find the hypocrisy in the post
>actually being this retarded
Gen 6.5 or Gen 7, it doesn't matter
But the collage is going to be the best thing to come to this board in a long time
>>25699916
So they did separate each gen in the video then. I mean, most of my assumptions on Sun and Moon being gen 7 was just because of that trailer.
>>25700453
Nintendo said on the European direct that sun and moon is the next era of Pokemon. On the website, it also says that it will be in a new region with new Pokemon. New Pokemon + new reigen= new gen. Gen 6.5 fags are in denial
>>25700498
Marketing buzzwords don't mean anything. Like I said, it's not gen 7 any more than ORAS having a new region or M-Mewtwo being a new Pokemon.
>>25700489
>So they did separate each gen in the video then
They also said "it all comes together" as opposed to a new world or era on the trailer like they do for most new games.
>>25700511
>ORAS
>new region
>M-Mewtwo qualifying as new Pokemon
I can't even handle this level of retardation
>>25700498
>On the website, it also says that it will be in a new region with new Pokemon
I hope you aren't using that fansite.
>>25700511
Well, Nintendo wouldn't say new reigen if we're still in kalos. Dude just accept it, it's gen 7
http://pokemon.gamespress.com/releases/1942/new-pokmon-games-announced-via-pokmon-direct
Proving Sun/Moon's region being based around Hawaii was easy, but fuck man this is ridiculous. If they just would've revealed a little bit more info, the denial of Gen VII wouldn't have been this fucking bad
>>25700548
Hold up, not him but do you really not remember the trailers for Mega Mewtwo and ORAS?
>>25700553
http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-sun-and-pokemon-moon/
>>25700511
>marketing buzzwords
http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-sun-and-pokemon-moon/
>Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon are coming out for systems in the Nintendo 3DS family in holiday 2016, with a new world, new Pokémon, and new adventures to discover!
it literally says there's a new region with new Pokemon, idiot. This is the most basic definition of a new generation.
seriously guys,the reveal trailer had a timeline countdown of each generation to the sun/moon announcement and you still think it could possibly be 6.5? they didn't include third versions in it ya know
>>25700482
you're not taking screenshots of each side, are you now?
>>25700511
You yourself chose to adhere to Gamefreak. You follow everything in the games, everything they say. You will defy them now? You say their word is god and go against it? Let us settle it here and now, then. Let us have our final showdown for all to see, and let it stand for all time. DO YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR CANON OR NOT!?
>>25700403
And ORAS can't battle if using new Mega Evolutions...Your point? Do you consider ORAS a new Generation?
>>25700572
Not him but
http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/story/story
>Ahead of you are places you’ve never seen, Pokémon you’ve never encountered, and people you’ve yet to meet
>>25700599
But it can still battle with XY.
>>25700579
>>25699916
>>25699916
This. Gamefreak literally shoved it down our throats.
6.5 is the stupidest fucking thing to come out of this board since Goodrafag
I cannot wait for it to all be over and we cn just get hype instead of a few fuck tards getting upset over the biggest break in patterns we've ever had.
New pokemon always meant new gen, always
>b-but i didnt agree
No because there wasn't a need to agree on it before, but every time we've seen a new pokemon in the past we've always began new gen hype
Gen 6.5 is retarded and so are the 5 people who actually believe it
>>25700572
>This is the most basic definition of a new generation
No, new set of mechanics are.
>>25700628
Nice cherrypicking.
>>25700645
>I'm a fucking moron and only I can define what a generation is
ftfy
>>25700642
>6.5 is the stupidest fucking thing to come out of this board since Goodrafag
thank you. thank you very much
>>25700648
I don't think you know what cherrypicking is.
>>25700660
Multiple people define it this way.
>>25700660Up until recently it was defined by mechanics and compatibility.
>>25700690
>Multiple people define it this way.
So? Multiple people define new Pokémon or a new region as a new generation.
>>25700697
give me a source, fag
>>25700713
How can I give you a source on fan definitions?
>>25700697
No, it was always defined by new Pokemon and a new regien
I was 99% convinced that SM will be gen 7 before hearing somewhere that Zygarde's red and blue core were respectively "regenerated" by sun and moon energy in anime or some shit.
>>25698788
Fixed.
None of you have the power to do crap. Gamefreak has spoken, and if you do not believe them, then you are not fans of pokemon at all!
>>25700164
By OPs logic Johto is gen2 because it lacks battle compatibility.
>>25700697
No it wasn't? Black and White 2 must be a new generation because of Pokéstar studios.
>>25700730
No, they are both regenerated by the sun. Check your info next time.
>>25700749
>features are mechanics
>>25700628
And? it's still a lack of compatability regardless, and apparenty that's what you guys consider a new gen so....
If GSC can be considered a new Gen, so can Sun and Moon.
Hell GSC could trade with RBY and be played on the same system as RBY so um yeah, that's pretty compatible
>>25700749
Pokestar did nothing to the mechanics or compatibility anon.
Anyway, the reality is that you're both right, it's the compatibility, mechanics and Pokemon.
Region doesn't really matter because they can alter the region on a whim.
>>25700697
Then Gen 2 is gen 1.5 since the only difference is that they couldn't battle. Could both be played on the GBC and the GB, could both trade with eachother as well AND could even go to both regions
What if in Gen 7 they don't make a Sinnoh Remake and instead have you visit Kalos again?
Also Gen 5 only had 4 games, so what's the fucking problem?
>>25700783
>>25700808
With only the original pokemon.
With only the original moves
And they couldn't battle
Doesn't sound very compatible.
>>25700783
Are
You
Dense?
RBY can trade but can't battle with GSC --> separate generations
IF XY will be able to trade and battle with SM it will be one generation
if not, the different ones.
Case closed.
>>25700783
>it's still a lack of compatability regardless
ORAS can still battle with XY.
BW2 can still battle with BW.
HGSS can still battle with DP.
Emerald can still battle with RS.
GSC can't battle period with RBY. It's not hard faggot. Each of these sets also have their own distinctive mechanics.
>>25700836
but you're assuming that SM will be able to battle with XY/ORAS
>>25700813
The only way they'll make a Sinnoh remake in gen 7 is if SuMo are gen 6.
The 3DS is nearing the end of it's life anon we'll most likely get a Black and White situation.Or they'll just re release them on VC for the new console and just churn out new regions and pokemon each game.
>>25700866
DP were released in September 2006, so it's not unreasonable to assume they'll do remakes given that it'll be 10 years since the release soon.
>>25700866
That's a load of assumptions.
And why would they do new regions each game when they can make more money doing a 3rd version each gen? At this point you're just writing down your wishes and dressing them up as theories.
What if it's dual region and the cover legendaries are instead Zygarde getting the Kyurem treatment and getting 2 drastically different forms(one for darkness/Moon/Yveltal, one for life/Sun/Xerneas)?
Considering how many similarities Kalos had with Kanto, they might make an adjacent region like Johto with ~70 new pokemon again plus more megas.
>>25700891
>DP were released in September 2006
RS were released in 2002 not 2004
RG were released in 1996 not 1994
HGSS is the only one that really falls into that.
>And why would they do new regions each game when they can make more money doing a 3rd version each gen?
The part where they make more money with two games rather than one?
Come on anon this is basic math.
>At this point you're just writing down your wishes and dressing them up as theories.
>wishes
You do know we're in the age where even RBY are compatible with bank right?
What makes you think they would waste their money with remakes when they can just add an episode at the end of a game explaining the new special gimmick for the pokemon from those games and slap the old games onto an emulator to get a bigger profit?
>>25698698
Fucking hell why does this cancerous failure of a theory keep getting spread around by ignorant fucktards? It has no legitimacy, and has been shredded over and over by people with any goddamn sense.
This meme needs to die and be sent to the farthest reaches of the universe so it can never return.
>>25699109
>And trading is a factor of being the same gen.
>what is G/S
Fuck off you ignorant tool.
>>25701023
Because /vp/ is more autistic than /r9k/ and /mlp/ combined.
>>25698637
How about we stall this argument ti'll anything concrete is anounced by gamefreak?
>>25701086
>more autistic than /mlp/
Nah I don't think anyone in /vp/ commissioned Pokemon porn and put it up in their living room uncensored.
>>25699312
You are an absolute fucking tard. A) how animals are classified in real life has now bearing on how gamefreak creates the Pokedex, and B) by new entries we literally mean that Bulbasaur is nr.1, Mewtwo is150, and Celebi is 251 - each has a unique number in the nationaldex. Froms and mgas DO NOT get unique numbers. Even Kyurem forms aren't given given unique nationaldex numbers.
Your definitions are retarded, and have literally nothing to do with what we have stated the standard is.
>>25701133
this is way too sensible a post. screaming at the top of your lungs to defend your side to the death is way more fun
>>25701133
Because that would be smart.
>>25701133
Because that's boring and arguing now leads to funny screen caps.
>>25699312
>guise you have to listen to me because I'm ROM hacking
We already know everything from data mining you dumb fuck.
>>25699373
They also forgot about G/S being on the same hardware that could run R/B/Y, and B/W/B2/W2 being on the same hardware as D/P/Pt/HG/SS. In short they did zero research and are about as intelligent as monkeys.
There can't be a Gen 6.5 because there's no such thing as a half generation. It as simple as that.
>>25698637
>there are people who unironically think Sun/Moon are still "Gen 6"
Why? What do you gain from labeling a new generation as an older one?
There will be new pokemon and a new region. They even called it "a new era of Pokemon". What exactly would it mean for it to be "Gen 6.5"?
>>25701271
To be fair, that's just jargon they do for every game regardless of if it's a remake or not.
>>25701254
Then it's gen 6.
>>25699767
I call bullshit. No-one has said that in the 20 years up until the last few months. LITERALLY NO-ONE. Cite me just one you fucking lair.
>>25701204
>>25701212
>>25701222
Don't get me wrong I like the discussion, and some very interesting points have been made.
I just don't get why people can get so mad over something like this. I don't even know how you can pretend to be this mad ''for fun''
>>25701326
How exactly?
>>25701329
No one said it because every generation so far has had BOTH new mechanics AND new Pokemon. There was no need to argue about it.
>>25700819
Just like XY and ORAS
:3c
>>25700216
Proof?
Oh wait, you have none. And thats your only evidence too, so let me just say you fucked up buddy.
>>25698831
azoth connection is only in name. azoth is related to alchemy and the movie has some characters named in relation to that concept, it has nothing to do with project azoth
>>25700819
You think we'd be able to battle the new SuMo Pokemon with XYORAS?
>>25701330
I agree, it's interesting to see people going back and forth, but no one has a personal stake in this (or should). So it really is weird. I guess people are pretty adamant about proving that they were right all along.
Sun and Moon are going to end up as the same games so I don't care too much, I just follow the threads
>>25699502
There's no such thing as a half generation you fucking autist.
>Gen4(Diamond, Pearl, Platinum,HeartGold, and SoulSilver)=DS
>Gen5(Black, White, Black2, andWhite2)=DSi
holy shit this guy is a retard
>>25701396
>Proof?
The way bank works.
>>25699678
What defines a Generation is already arbitrary as fuck.
>>25699772
>thus far there's been very few Pokemon (usually 1 or 2 but will probably be a few more if you're including Megas) exclusive to the new versions, if you include formes
There's never been a new Pokémon during a Generation.
I can't wait for CoroCoro to leak screenshots that look the same as XY and ORAS. Gen 7 fags will really be shitting their pants then.
>>25701530
The thing about bank is that yes, it'll be compatible with X/Y, ORAS, and S/M, since that is the basic function with which they intended. A separate utility that counts as a storage and transfer device the idea that it could be used across current and future generations.
However, any new Pokemon obtained in later generations would not be able to be transferred back to a previous generation they didn't exist in.
>>25701387
So it never occurred to any of you bottomfeeders to speak out when they revealed new pokemon before new features EVERY TIME and regardless of new features it would be labeled as a new gen immediately, every time?
Either all of you are morons, or you jumped on this train when it pulled into the station a few months ago. Either way your credibility is fucked.
This is all so dumb. It's a new main series game in a new region. How is that not a new generation? This will become more obvious once we see the new starters. Do you seriously think Gen 6 will have 6 starters?
And calling it Gen 6.5 doesn't make any sense; it's either Gen 6 or Gen 7. You're only calling it Gen 6.5 because you realize how stupid it all sounds that they'd have two main-series, non-remake games in one generation, which is essentially what you're saying.
Just because the PokeBank has made it potentially (and I say potentially because we still don't know if Pokemon will be able to be sent back to XY from SM--we already know RBY can transfer to SM through the PokeBank but not to XYORAS, so there could be many more limitations) possible to trade between future games and Gen 6 games doesn't mean they're all suddenly in the same generation.
It has new Pokemon. It is a new region. It is a new set of two games that are not third versions or remakes. What the fuck is wrong with everyone?
>>25701530
Bank allows you to insert and withdraw Pokes from XYORAS. Nothing else so far. No new gens, no old gens, nothing else is compatible. Now, bank is scheduled to get a large update with SuMo, which is probably going to add a new section exclusive to SuMo, that XYORAS can't access.
So your proof is not only non-existent, it actually has a far higher probability of counting against you.
You are amusing me though, shitpost more.
>>25699502
>A GENERATION IS A GENERATION ANON, NOW YOU HAVE TO SUCK MY NIPPLES
>>25701620
>new region
They never said this.
>>25700600
All of these are true though. Mauville's changed and there's definitely new areas to explore in the games, new Megas and Primal Reversions are counted as new Pokemon in their marketting considering Mega Mewtwo Y was touted as a "new Pokemon with a familiar look", and there were new NPCs.
It's bullshit, but it's technically correct. The best kind of correct.
>>25701606
>>25701620
The reasoning behind the whole 6.5 thing is because people find it weird that Game Freak skipped a 'third version' entirely, and that Z was something they felt should have happened.
They feel that there is too much unused data and potential story to just outright abandon for a new gen, and several of them have the hopes of Gen VI 'being saved' so it doesn't end up as being the 'worst gen'.
They feel that it's way too early to shift gears to a new gen, because of Game Freak's history of doing how they usually do things, and all of the stuff that seemed planned.
In the long run, if this was any other time, more people would be scrambling to go 'New Gen!' instead of 'Gen VI continuation!'.
It all boils down to people unwilling to accept Gen VI feeling 'incomplete', as well as being unable to wrap their minds around the decision of Game Freak to just move on.
>>25701583
>However, any new Pokemon obtained in later generations would not be able to be transferred back to a previous generation they didn't exist in.
That doesn't stop old Pokemon from being transferred. Bank already fucking does this. You can't transfer a Groudon with Precipice Blades to XY even if it is in Bank. Bank is 2 way regardless.
>>25701657
You're just making up assumptions to back up your point. You're the one without proof.
>>25699502
But you CAN say that half a button press is half a button press.
>>25701133
Came here to post this. No matter which way this issue goes, regardless of proof, one side is going to get BTFO and we'll have to deal with endless NEVER EVER screencaps for years. Like with Wottergate, Fairygate, and how Z wasn't announced.
>>25701764
C'mon Anon, just let it happen and people have their fun. A little egg on the face is all well and good.
>>25701730
Oh, we know the primary reason why they are in denial, we just can't figure out why they can't just be quiet and stop inventing new ways to prove their faggot theories.
Also, I can't wait for them to be blown out because I am one of the people who thought they would go to gen 7 and skip Z, and they all called me an idiot. Well Z isn't happening faggots, where is your god now?
>>25701708
"the next era of Pokémon games is being announced! Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon are coming out for systems in the Nintendo 3DS family in holiday 2016, with a new world, new Pokémon, and new adventures to discover"
>next era
>new world
aka new generation new region holy shit fucking move on
>>25701330
It's people discussing a game involving Nintendo on an 18+ yiddish scroll interpreting website. There's no way people can't argue about every aspect of this.
>>25701740
>uses a wild assumption with literally nothing to back it up as proof of something that is being refuted
>"oh your theory is no better, so mine must be right"
That isn't how it works you enormous faggot. You have no proof to back up your assertions, which you were using to refute other peoples assertions. In short, it doesn't matter if my theory is less likely, your theory is not proven as of now so that literally makes you wrong RIGHT NOW, when the burden of proof is one you.
Do you understand yet you mongoloid? You have failed to back up your assertions. Completely failed.
>>25701801
Well if that's the case then everyone is wrong, S/M is Gen 8, since by your logic OR/AS is a new region, aka Gen 7.
>>25699220
HOLY SHIT, WHY AREN'T PEOPLE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THIS THREAD
>>25701850
No, ORAS isn't a new region. The Pokemon website straight up just calls it Hoenn and doesn't say it's a new world at all like it does on the SM page. It's a remake. What a fucking moron you are.
>>25701876
https://youtu.be/ywGSON9tNq0?t=17
>>25701797
>we just can't figure out why they can't just be quiet
Some people on /vp/ just like to do stuff like this to get people going. More than likely the majority of the 'Gen 6.5' people aren't doing it because they believe, but because they want to get in on the action of causing threads to burn.
>>25699698
>gen entails
call me immature but i laughed
>>25701920
Marketing buzzword, you know it. It's to get people hyped. Same thing goes with "new era".
The fact is, we got Hoenn, not not-Hoenn.
>>25701962
I get this, and I could care less if threads go to shit, I find that funny. What is less funny is when their autistic bullshit is used to create new threads and bleeds into the media, like this thread has demonstrated.
We don't need to indoctrinate normies with pure bullshit. They are cringey enough already.
>>25701999
>Marketing buzzword, you know it.
Exactly, that was my point all along.
Doesn't really make sense to use shit that's been said before about a remake in your argument for it being a new generation.
>>25702127
It may not be proof for a new gen, but it isn't proof against it either, and since we are not due for a remake, it seems much likelier to be gen 7 than literally any other possibility.
It doesn't take a genius to connect A and B and ignore C if it was only circumstantial at best. And it is pretty clear that all the deniers are willfully ignoring the clear implication.
>>25702127
Ah, I'm not him and only saw what you were replying to. I don't know what kind of retarded argument he is up to, then.
>>25702177
It's more "proof" against a new generation than for it. It's nothing but words used for marketing, they don't hold up much.
>>25702177
>It may not be proof for a new gen, but it isn't proof against it either
Yeah, which is why I'm so neutral on this whole thing.
There's stuff pointing to it being Gen 7, the names of the games seemingly having nothing to do with past gens.Except for Mecha Zygarde, kinda.The fact that it looks like the games have something to do with Hawaii, the new Pokemon shown in the trailer.
But with how much Game Freak has been breaking tradition, and how much has been left behind in X/Y, S/M could be the first games to introduce new Pokemon, or even a new region and Pokemon during a generation.
No one really knows at this point, so I really don't get why everyone so adamant about saying "It's what I think it is!" over and over.
>>25702297
This is exactly what I've been thinking for some time now after having read many of these threads. Both sides have solid arguments. Too solid for either of them to just be outright wrong.
So what I think may happen is for Gamefreak to reveal something that nobody is taking into account yet. Something that will support both Gen 6 and Gen 7 at the same time.And that's going to be the real shitstorm
>>25702228
It is not proof, but the implication (when observed in conjunction with all the known info about the games) clearly implies Gen7. We already have new Pokemon confirmed, and new pokemon added to the national dex = new gen on it's own already, so the added weight of the text just confirms it beyond doubt.
I am willing to wait, but I don't have a single shred of doubt about this being a new gneration, which I can't say about Wottergate or Fairy type (and I was one of the anti-Z people long before SuMo was revealed.)
>>25701740
>You're just making up assumptions to back up your point. You're the one without proof.
Eventually, there are going to be new Pokemon. In fact, we KNOW there are right now for SM. Pokebank is also going to be the way to transfer pokemon from older games to SM and store pokemon from those games. Since these new Pokemon can't exist in older games, PokeBank is going to have to have a way to prevent new mons from being transfered to older games.
I've always thought it would just flat out prevent Pokemon with a game origin value higher than ORAS from being moved back into older games, but a separate section only new games can access works too. Either way, there are ways to Pokemon from games that would display a pentagon in XYORAS from ever getting into an XYORAS game.
>>25702664
>ways to Pokemon from games
Ooops
>There are ways to prevent Pokemon from games that would display a pentagon in XYORAS from ever getting into an XYORAS game
>>25702519
>Gamefreak reveals Sun and Moon are actually Gen 5 games
At this point you have to think they're trying to fuck with us.
>>25699228
>The Zoroark event went as planned.
Not even close. Zoroark was intended to be the next Lucario, but thanks in part to that retarded transfer event it flopped hard.
In that case the transferred event was only a few months before BW, and was a major movie distro. The Souvenir is a relatively hard to get secret featured in XY, which will be THREE YEARS OLD by the time SM comes out. You are retarded if you think anything will be dependent on transferring that trinket.
>>25705070
The event itself still went as planned and they do similar events for mythicals all they want. Zoroark was shit because it was a REGULAR Pokemon yet they made it an event for some reason. With mythicals or legendaries you have to go out of your way to get them anyway.
>handhelds are finally advanced enough to trivialize transferring mons from game to game almost regardless of release date
>all /vp/ wants to do is argue semanticsDistinct gens are extinct
>Game Freak releases Sun and Moon with a new region and new Pokemon but the ability to also go to an altered Kalos with more content in it
>a few months after launch they release a patch for XY and ORAS to make them compatiable with all the new mons and megas so they're all on the same page
>They then announce Z
How would /vp/ handle the shitstorm?
>>25705163
They didn't patch XY with ORAS shit, so there's not way in hell they're patching XYORAS with SM shit.
S&M is gen VI
>B-b-ut muh pathern
Tough luck autistics fucks
>>25700538
really anon?
>>25707171
Except our argument literally fucking hinges on them breaking patterns and ending a gen early.
You are the one using >muh patterns, trying everything you can to justify gen 6.
Game Freak has literally said time and time again that they like to surprise people. So any "muh patterns" arguments are invalid.
>>25707171
>>25707195
You know, I'm not for or against but honestly the whole Gen 6 uses patterns just as much as Gen 7 does. It's Magearna's existence that really does it.
I don't really get either side, in the end you're arguing semantics.
Volcanion makes me think this is gen 6.5
we still gen 6 senpai
>>25708805
It's not just Volcanion, it's everything behind the lore being built in XY/ORAS with AZOTH and everything, see >>25699220
>>25698637
Nobody calls Black 2 and White 2 Gen 5.5 or Gen 6. Nobody calls G/S/C/HG/SS Gen 1.5.
Why would there be any confusion about this? If the starters are revealed as Chespin, Froakie, and Fennekin (or Mudkip/Treecko/Torchic but Delta Emerald fags are delusional), it's Gen 6. If we get new starters, it's Gen 7.
I casually come to /vp/ every now and then.
This is probably the single dumbest thing to argue about. The worst part is that it isn't even a mild conversation. Everyone is legitimately in a heated debate on the semantics of what would constitute a "generation".
new pokemon = new generation of pokemon created = new generation
it's not a hard concept to grasp.
>>25712836
Would actually put blame on verlisifag for this one, one of the loudest "IT'S GEN SEVEEEEEEEN!!!" shouters out there.
I'm still going along with the matter the anime is gearing for the end of the generation, since it is rushing. It wouldn't do that if the generation was continuing, it would have no reason to.
>>25712905
Even if it is gen 6 it has to end Kalos anyway because they have to shill the next region.
>>25712951
This guy has an interesting theory about Kalos relating to the new region, actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt2HMhA_Jk0
>>25712977
I like how this is the only sensible video on Sun Moon out there (speculation wise)
I searched around Youtube a bit and everything else was just trash
>>25712951
How would it still be the same gen in a new region? True, they could break that, but it hasn't been done yet, so I would not automatically assume. It is true that what I suggest is also an assumption. I would rather not get caught up in wild ideas that have no grounding yet. We may have our answer soon enough.
>>25712905
The thing about the anime is that it's pretty much showing off forms of Zygarde that aren't even in the current gen VI games. It's not exactly rushing either.
Why don't you autistic fucks just wait 'till April 8th-15th instead of getting mad at each other on what's essentially pure speculations
>>25713086
And ruin the fun?
>>25713057
It's obviously a new region. All the signs point to Hawaii and the souvenir explicitly says the region is far from Kalos. But that doesn't mean the game can't have a Kalos post game or an Episode Z
I'm still on the gen 6 side though.
>>25713160
Johto was a new gen and fulfills the same criteria.
>>25713160
I figure it's going to be South of Kalos but not Southern Kalos honestly.
There's the tiki but it does have a vague resemblance to Perfect Zygarde and the anime's opening has Zygarde just unleashing a laser that's ridiculously south of Lumiose and what would be Kalos.
Will get a new region, new pokemon, new startes and legendaries, but there will be people still calling it gen 6.5 because perfect zygarde will be there too.
>>25713527
The latter two are questioned here. The, uhm, latter of the latter is more likely than getting new starters, because well we have Zygarde, Volcanion and Magearna to really deal with first.
>>25699051
what if the starters aren't entirely new, they're the last lot of starters but with trainer customization a la greninjash
what then huh hotshot?
>>25713550
>Zygarde, Volcanion and Magearna
This is exactly what's causing the problems here.
One Pokemon with three forms and two unreleased moves, one Pokemon that's being distributed as an early ticket release, and the third one that would get a theater release by some ridiculously off chance or released by BD movie release in December.
The sun follows the moon
The moon chases the sun
It's Generation VI.
>>25713632
Not to mention that Hoopa, outside of the movie, hasn't been completely explained. Hoenn's still kinda weirded out with Hoopa.
>>25710217
