Old-school Sugimori
>>25686820
One of the things I like about water-color art is how the highlights pop.
>>25686820
My man
>>25686871
no fake bs
>>25686820
Old School Stumped is awesome
>>25687138
>>25687193
>>25687248
These horrible proportions take me back.
The old art was the best. I've been making phone wallpapers with the old school art. I wish they would release super high definition scans of each piece.
>>25687138
Wasn't this a card or something related to the card game? Great image, love the red-eye Mewtwo in the background.
>>25690071
....got any more of those to share? I like it.
>>25690194
Sure. But that's the only one with a fancy photograph background.
>>25690711
Actually that's not really true, this was a request from a friend. But that and the first one are the only ones with photo backgrounds.
>>25690732
>>25690778
Magmar is my favorite pokemon so I made one of just Magmar.
>>25690789
This one was meant to capture the feel of the Trainer's Guide that came packaged with the game.
>>25690834
Same thing, but for Yellow Friends.
>>25690071
>>25690711
>>25690732
>>25690778
>>25690789
>>25690834
Thank you based anon.Keep going if you have more.
I know it's the little bit of genwunner in me saying this, but nothing beats his art style for me. All of the cards I have with Sugimori artwork are always visible in my binder. That said, I definitely love his artwork in other gens too.
>>25690841
>>25690847
This is actually the last one I've made so far, and it was a request. The oldschool Gen II art wasn't preserved as well as Gen 1 ( though Red and Green's original artwork has only just recently surfaced in high quality )
>>25690849
Old games definitely had a different feel to the artwork that's really pleasant. Games like Pokemon, Harvest Moon, and Marvelous: Another Treasure Island all had these really soft colors that complimented the style really well. It's a shame it's fallen out of style.
>>25690902
I know what you mean. I think for me the whole 3d models and uniformity of digital art just makes it less interesting to look at. For me personally, at least. Pic related.
>>25690982
Yeesh... is that the norm for pokemon cards these days?
I haven't collected them since early 2000's, but I was considering starting again. But I would be mostly in it for the art, and if that's how they look then maybe I should stick to buying oldies.
pic related was the prettiest damn thing I've ever seen, I wish they had just an art book of the old school cards.
>>25691118
A lot of regular cards still have decent art, but virtually all EX's have shitty in-your-face 3d art with way too much clutter.
To be fair, they've always been 3d models, but they weren't always so... messy, I guess?
>>25691196
The biggest shame, though, is the lack of style variance in Pokemon you see. It's like, now that the brand has gotten big, they're afraid to get too creative.
Pic related is the same artist. You could argue she's gotten better from a technical standpoint, but I miss dem frills.
>>25691230
Not really "better", but obviously more cleaned up in regards to using computer to draw. Pic 1 was obviously hand drawn, and came out gorgeous.
>>25690080
It's art for the second Gym Leader's set.
>>25687248
>>25690841
>>25692159
I miss fat Pikachu. The new Pikachu is a dirty shill, and his cry is just a voice clip. I was classic chu.
>>25692202
My fave pikachu is the bean shaped one with the super long skinny tail.
>>25687248
Everything about that is horrible.
I miss it.
>>25692359
You've been blessed with wonderful taste, friend.
>>25692533
>>25687248
Let the record show that this was Beta artwork from before the game's release.
>>25692359
Fucking same here. I used to absolutely LOVE pikachu back in the day because of this.
I don't care about any of /vp/'s imaginary "hurr shoving down my throat" shit, the only reason I dont like it now is because it's not that. Fucking cute as hell, rare, had a bit of an attitude to it.. It was perfect. I really cant put my finger on it, but something about the small round shape with the long tail always looked both cuter and swifter to me.
>>25692575
Call me crazy, but feel like the voice was also better back then. I know the voice actress has been the same since day one, but something about the way does the voices is different, a little less cute and slightly more obnoxious.
>>25692571
Was it really?
>>25692644
Yeah, you can tell because a lot of things don't match their final designs, like Charizard having flesh teeth and a single horn on it's head like charmeleon, or pikachu having a white belly and nub arms. I believe there was something about pidgeot that was different in beta that made it into artwork too but im not sure what it was.
>>25692679
Ah, found it. I guess it wasn't pidgeot's appearance, it was the name that got changed.
>>25692152
Never seen this one before.
Too cool.
>>25692724
It's just a transparent of one of the Carddass cards.
>>25692359
Best Pikachu right fucking here. Why did they scrap this design? It's the cutest.
>>25692816
Because no fatties
>>25687248
>ankle belts
what was the man thinking?
genwun general?
>>25691230
Remember when 80 HP was considered good for TCG?
Then they went full yugioh and nowdays every shitmon has as many HP as the legendary original Charizard one
Wish the spots remained on the final design
>>25695722
>old-school sugimori thread
>surprised when it's gen 1 dominant
>toasting in an epic bread
>not realizing old school sugi was just an unabashed Toriyama rip off
>>25695886
Incoming
i know many will hate me for this, but that era of art always felt like they couldnt hire an actual art team.
>>25695912
The trainer that never was…
>>25695968
>>25695971
>>25695978
>>25695982
>>25695990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-y71YAHqwI
>>25695997
>>25690071
it really has charm but the newer one is way better. sugimori really evolved these 20 years
>>25696014
>>25690883
I like it anon!
>>25696020
>>25695978
>dat caterpie
>>25696032
>>25696046
>>25696058
>>25696018
Nah, he used warmer shadows back then, with chunkier proportions and stuff felt more inviting. Now they're mostly cools and greys and everyone is a skeleton. Personally I'm not a big fan.
>>25696068
>>25695995
>>25696079
>>25696009
Dratini sounds like R2-D2
>>25696095
>>25696104
Sugi's art makes me wanna hug and snug Persian.
Really?
>>25696113
>>25696093
I think there are two Pokémon in this poster than were never released.
>>25696119
don't forget dat koffing >>25696104
>>25696120
>>25696121
That dynamic gesture on Sabrina is sweet.
>>25696075
i just love the way he colors his stuff, like the super mystery dungeon main art or pic related
i find that may more appealing than orginal may or emerald may.
>>25696129
>>25696132
>>25696121
because there were never meant to be released
this is official fanart
>>25696137
That's cool, it's all subjective anyway I guess. His old work had a big impact on me as a kid, so part of it is nostalgia as it's one of the reasons I work as a video game artist now.
>>25695971
but thats leaf
>>25696183
>npcs used to have artwork on previous games
why did they stop?
>>25695971
this is clearly not sugimori, why do they always mix it up? is it because of the watercolors?
>>25696150
>>25696183
Cool!
>>25687248
>>25690024
Only thing wrong there is Charizards face
>>25696226
maybe you're right! I found it on a Sugimori fan tumblr page, so I don't know really
>>25696213
I mean to say, she never made it into the games in this incarnation, right?
>Where the fuck did Ethan find a wild shiny Charizard
>>25696183
Will they ever learn?
>>25696278
All of this took me back to why i loved pokemon at first. It was a living world for me. Now its just a series of games. Enjoyable games but not what gen 1 and 2 were. Good old days.
>>25687248
Why is Red on tippy toes?
>>25696388
Same here.
>>25695969
There was spectacular art for games during 1996, both promotional and concept art, that it surprises me that not only did Sugimori use such an amateurish style ("i'll hastily copy Toriyama and sort-of watercolour it, fuck shading") but that GameFreak decided to go with it for their first go with this new franchise.Combined with the shit graphics, boring visuals, poor story and character development, and lack of content, I'm surprised Pokemon became such a huge hit. Glad it did, though
Not Sugimori, but a fun experiment I think
>>25696214
They didn't though?
>>25696388
>It was a living world for me. Now its just a series of games. Enjoyable games but not what gen 1 and 2 were. Good old days.
I agree wholeheartedly. There just isn't as much magic anymore. It feels like the series is constantly being rehashed rather than expanding on the existing world.
>>25696831
sugimori (hence official) did it as fanart for a magazine.
this isn't beta art, these mons were never planned to be in a game.
sugimori must have liked that early tyrannitar design so much that he decided to make it official and used it in GS
>>25696914
The art style definitely had more character back then. Even this Pidgeot looks like it could beat the living fuck out of you.
>>25696985
>And how you know that?
because he talks about this on his book?
>This is an illustration that was used as the cover for the April 1997 issue of the magazine Game Review (Micro Magazine Publishing Company). There's a feature in the magazine called the "Games That Stand Out Collection" and this color illustration of an imaginary game title offers an example of the theme of the article."
>>25697013
Mewtwo looks exactly like an skinny experimental monstrosity should. I can practically hear his sticky toes padding across laboratory floor tiles.
>>25697013
even though I consider his new art better, I cant argue with this
chesnaught isnt a badly designed pokemon yet the pose it was drwan makes it look so boring. would look x10000 better in a different one
They're all shit.
>>25697118
Yeah some of the Pokes look really good in the old watercolour style. Chesnaught could really benefit from that too I think
>>25687248
This is actually a good style, I really like it. If you get that artists try to make their own up, its really hard. Back then they actually tried, I love the color style.
>>25697225
>>25695576
Thats apart the shoes not a fucking belt.
>>25696079
>Dream eater
Neat
>>25695886
>>25695912
I miss this 80s cyberpunk, and it being in pokemon was great. everything about this guys art style and and color is great. It seems to be a mix of late 80s and 90s anime art. The new art is fucking monotone garbage to fit in with everything else. If they kept the cool character design and updated it a bit it would be great.
I don't want a happy go lucky dimbrain MC, I want >>25687248
>>25697231
I also like that they look like little punk kids who are actually 10 years old. Something about them has that rough and tumble feel that Link had in some older Zelda games.
>>25696280
North of Gameshark Town
>tfw Pokemon used to be so imaginative, mysterious and rough looking
it was perfect. I wish Satoshi Tajiri would have kept being really hands on with the games after G/S/C then maybe it wouldn't be so plastic and generic as it became gen 3 and beyond.
>>25697317
I agree! I've heard people express the same sentiment about the cyberpunk feel, especially in Gen 2. Kinda dark, with dangerous monsters and the advent of some strange tech. This nasty Gengar >>25696739 looks like you just met him on waste ground in an industrial area or something, compared to later iterations.
Whereas the newer style is too generic animu with everyone living by the beach. This is not to rag on anyone who likes that stuff. Just trying to figure out why I prefer the old stuff.
>>25695990
>Arbok attacking Diglett
>An example of top 1% of Rattata shown
I love it
>>25696020
Is it straight up killing that Weedle?
>>25697382
>>25697317
in my mind i feel like some old Sugi artwork could fit right in with Akira or something. couple of kids battling on a walkway high above the city streets
>>25696018
New style a shit. It's so boring and flat, and all the characters have become yu gi oh tier silly looking save for a handful of protagonists.
>>25696132
Isn't that grumpy kid in the middle a beta Giovanni?
>>25696388
I don't think Pokemon would have grabbed my attention immediately if it weren't for the original Sugimori art.
>>25697703
To my knowledge it has never been officially recognized but there are some theories that suggest the gym in viridian was meant to be a kid with normal types that you would challenge before Brock.
>>25696138
(replying to only this because replying to all the rest as well would be overkill)
Thanks so much for the dump. I have fuckall to contribute so it feels really bad only being a leech. Oh well, hope you don't mind
Here's something to note, all that cool artwork from Red and Blue where the pokemon have more dynamic poses is actually the secondary artwork created for the international release of red and blue.
In Japan, the artwork for Red and Green had the pokemon in much more plain poses, most of these were given boring flat recolors and used as stock art for the anime. For the longest time, I thought this art was made specifically for yellow version because I had a Yellow Strategy guide that used this art, and it made sense to me since Yellow as attempting to be closer to the anime.
They did the same thing for FR/LG artwork.
>>25687248
Oh, cool. it's the nendoroids.
>>25696020
I'm reallydiggingthis Dugtrio. That Earthquake effect is so well done.
>>25697422
Pokemon used to eat each other.
>>25697404
I get mad every time I hear people argue about the Pokemon designs. Everyone focuses on the wrong issues. Yes, there were always object Pokemon. And yes, newer Pokemon tend to be overdesigned. But the bigger problem is that, despite being overdesigned, they lack essential details that gave the old Pokemon their character and charm. I always keep this pic handy to show what I mean.
The old art direction was just superior to what we have nowadays. I can't phanthom how >>25696018 can claim the new one is better. Just because it has pretty photoshop colors? I don't see it.
>>25698045
please delete this, it's cherrypicked as fuck, and besides that, I don't want a buch of butt hurt unovababies derailing this thread into a gen war. Let's just keep posting old art.
>>25692628
I also like fatchu a lot more than the modern standard design. While I haven't made any conscious notes on Pikachu's anime voice changing over time, I've been pleasantly surprised by everything about Pikachu in Pokken over the last few days. He has serious attitude in the game (fuck, he rips off some of Heihachi's moves and is mad as hell 90% of the time) and I feel like his voice acting in the game sounds better than usual, really going for a more gruff n' tough style (Pikachu Libre remains pretty cute overall).
>>25698045
>Cherry-picking: the image macro
>>25698089
>>25698128
Feel free to make your own, maybe you'll convince me otherwise.
>>25698152
>maybe you'll convince me otherwise.
Convincing a /vp/-anon out of their ignorance that they have clearly resigned themselves to?
>>25698152
>I actually want a gen war to derail this thread, please cherrypick me back.
>>25698235
I am rubber, you are glue, etc.
>>25698251
Good idea. There's an actual gen war thread going on right now.
>>25692575
>something about the small round shape with the long tail always looked both cuter and swifter to me.
I think because it looks more like an actual mouse than the modern pikachu
I like both but I do not think mouse when I look at pikachu anymore
Did anyone ever have those toys that were modeled after the Red and Blue artwork, with the weird white airbrushing in random spots that were meant to mimic the art style? The air brushed white looked like shit, but I thought the models themselves were pretty neat.
>>25698045
That's an interesting read! I actually hadn't noticed stuff like the super flat shapes or lack of detailed toes and stuff. I'm not sure why some people prefer the newer style; maybe it's the ready-to-go cleanliness of it, or maybe they've been fed such a diet of generic anime that Sugi's older style just seems weird.
>>25697963
I wasn't aware of that! It's interesting to think the first batch might have been "this is basically what it looks like so the other artists know what they're working with" and then the next round was, ok, now it's in action! Sometimes the newer Gens feel like the stopped at the design sheets and didn't do round two for fun.
>>25698400
Personally I don't think the new style is better, just different
But as an artist, I always appreciate smooth andeasy to drawshapes
>>25698465
That's interesting, as an artist myself I can appreciate the smooth shapes, the kind of designs that animators favour. But when I draw I like a certain sketchy, textured quality to my lines. They can add a lot of life at times. Which is probably why the old Sugi appeals to me.
the whiplash energy in that hitmonlee kick.
>>25698689
>>25698703
>>25698721
>>25698579
That's really cool, anon. I always found myself trying to painfully mimic smooth, quick lines so I guess that's why I like the new Sugi stuff. Though I do agree that textured lines can add a lot of personality where smooth lines fall flat.
>>25698737
>>25695990
That Pikachu ...
>>25696020
lewl mongo meowth
>>25696095
That Cubone is totally Baby Kangaskhan.
>>25697488
Thanks for making me want something I'll never have
>>25698749
>>25692159
>>25697963
Gen 1: Bulbasaur is a toad.
Gen 8: Bulbasaur is a cat.
>>25698893
one of my favourites
>>25696886
>Those legs on white
>>25697963
>>25697249
>>25697225
The new art style sucks so bad.
>>25697118
>even though I consider his new art better
How?
I wonder if, with all the advances in game graphics these days, it would be possible to stylize the in game art style to resemble the old water colored art withuot it looking kind of awkward.
>>25699231
Only with sprites. The proportions are too abstract.
>>25686871
Who made this? I assume it's a set, it's pretty cool desu
>>25695576
It's velcro strips m8BTTF2 did it first
>>25699039
looking forward to these little dudes being released.
>>25690778
>>25690834
>>25690841
>>25690883
saved. the trainer's guide ones are based.
>>25695997
Is that what the ability Poison Point is supposed to look like?
>>25697488
>>25698883
>Young lass wants to battle!
>>25698045
I hadn't noticed the rustled hair on Eevee's head until now.
Huh
>>25696046
>Machamp kicking instead of punching
Is this some kind of sick joke? Fuck Sugimori
>>25696079
RIP Ditto
>>25697422
The move is called "suck blood" in Japanese and is one of only 4 moves that has yet to be depicted in the anime
>>25697900
No problem dude
>>25699564
Even the official description describes it as draining blood.
>mfw leave my thread thinking it'll be dead soon and come back a few days later to a bunch of replies
thanks anons
>>25695968
Is there any more cards like these and so forth for other generations? Closest thing I can find for art like this nowadays are the chips for Tretta.
>>25700562
There might be more Carddass cards, but they won't be in that art style. Once the anime made it big, they never really used the water colored look for promotional material again.
>>25697488
>in my mind i feel like some old Sugi artwork could fit right in with Akira or something. couple of kids battling on a walkway high above the city streets
I just found a new art inspo
>>25700387
Great thread, dude!
>>25701103
You're the second person saying this. Will someone just draw it, please? I need it.
>>25701203I was actually gonna take this idea and use it for my own projectsbut yeah I'm gonna get on that this weekend. The idea is too good to waste.
>>25699187
>How?
is this some "old X is better" meme?
I just do. his shading, coloring... I like it more than his old stuff which is good but i feel his new style is better
>>25692724
>Bandai 1996
Wait a second
>>25701427
why is this rare at all?
>>25701246
Cool! I'm the Anon that originally suggested it. I'd love to see what you come up with! I'm an illustrator as well, so I've been thinking I might try and do the same for fun.
>>25701465
I don't remember ever seeing Bandai's name on old Pokémon material. We're they set to publish it at some point?
>>25701593
the famous cards on this thread were done by bandai
>>25696278
Best pokègirl.
>>25696120
>ditto
shit looks like an aborted fetus that changed its mind.
>>25701750
No I mean best and cutest.
>>25701750
Shit taste.
>>25686820
I miss this art so much. I'm not even a genwunner but This art has a lot more "soul" than the new artstyle and I think the artworks would be 100 times better if he kept this artstyle and made it better.
>>25699344
I've got bad news for you, friend
There's likely not going to be an American/North America release of them
>>25696149
This look fucking horrible, where is her foot and sandal
>>25698045
>Pokemon used to eat each other.
last gen we literally had two pokemon who's gimmicks were eating each other
Not Pokemon related but Sugimori art nonetheless. It's around the same year as Pokemon.
>>25701980
![1279315378398[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0fnldtp.jpg "1279315378398[1].jpg")
Early R/S is good too but nothing past it
>>25701993
The game is Pulseman for the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive, if anyone is interested.
>>25701866
>importing isn't a thing
![tumblr_n5hex9Ra7e1r6zl1uo1_1280[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/B0fjTQa.jpg "tumblr_n5hex9Ra7e1r6zl1uo1_1280[1].png")
>>25701866
Oh I know. I already have it preordered from Nippon, senpai.
>>25701901
He's trying to use atmospheric perspective. But… he dun goofed.
>>25702090
God DAMN, that Gengar looks cool as fuck!
>>25702020
I'm still waiting on a Rotom form based on this dude before ever using it on a team.
>>25696014
Oddish looks stoned
>>25702233
Given the stink clouds or whatever, it looks more like the last frame of some fart porn
>>25696138
>Dragonite can shoot lasers out of its feeler thingies
woah
>>25702552
That's where he's usually depicted shooting thunder from. They must conduct energy.
Gonna dump select pics
Remember when Blastoise had visible teeth?
>>25702712
Fucking Lapras with teeth. I feel like the RB art had simple yet dynamic characteristics.
>>25702712
Or when its cannons didn't look TF2 sentries
>>25702735
>>25702712
Please do. I don't have much of the original Poké art, just a lot of random Sugi stuff.
>>25702790
Look at this cute fucker
>>25702808
Alternative
>>25699270
I made it, but I only made a couple of other shitty ones that I put on an old DA account that I'm not proud of
>>25702712
>>25702735
I feel like that single snaggle tooth was another signature of gen 1 pokemon. Man there's a lot of design conventions of gen 1 that I miss.
>>25702808
That was the first image of Mew I saw and I fell so in love. Something about it just doesn't look the same though... the dark pink toes and tail are obvious but I think something about the proportions and the eyes are different too...
That particular Mew is best Mew.
>>25702824
Slice you up
>>25702838
Agreed anon, it is a very unique Mew
Electabuzz looks extremely badass here
>>25702854
My favorite pictures of Scyther
>>25702877
Looks at her, she's violent
>>25702903
My phone is correcting my text too weirdly
>>25702903
moar of dat sweet snaggle tooth.
>>25702924
Deadly
>>25702945
Coming right up
Is there a Zip file or something of all the RB ( and maybe RG ) artwork I could download? I could use that to make wallpapers a little more easily instead of saving one by one, or copy pasting and getting rid of non transparency.
How's my attempt to mimic?
>>25702969
>25702970
I got these at Bulbagarden, tried finding a zip prior
Soulless eyes
>>25702969
These are great Anon! Lots here I haven't seen before. Where did you collect them?
>>25696914
I think the "magic" of the old games was that the graphical limitations created a contrast between the cutesiness of the premise and the world.
Pokemon isn't dark by any stretch of the imagination, the overworld is quaintly idyllic and sub-rural. But the brightness was subdued by the utilitarian, uniform, top-down presentation and gameboy coloring. It was still cheery, but it was also almost melancholy, like being in a small town that never changes. Just trees and roads and little houses, going on and on.
So whenever you ran into something that implied any sort of history, or conflict, or that there was something left to discover, the impact was increased. It also made anything mysterious or even slightly dour in tone seem a little intimidating. But it was also refreshing. This is why Lavender Town, Mewtwo, and the Ruins of Alph are so well remembered. Mystery and Discovery were driving qualities behind Pokemon's entire concept, and they made sure to include those qualities in both Pokemon and the world around them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUN2L4HiKZo
>>25696183
Will they ever learn?
>>25703067
I still find those qualities on newer games. Unova for example felt both mysterious and beatiful.
>>25703061
Bulbagarden fampai
>>25698689
>the whiplash energy in that hitmonlee kick.
The finished result is glorious. Would so buy a poster of that.
>>25703110
>>25696888
I think they kind of did for Gens III, IV, and maybe V. Then again perhaps the art was just in strategy guides and cards like it was in earlier generations.
>>25696914
Tempted to agree that it really doesn't feel the same to me either, though I can't say if that is the series itself or me growing up and experiencing burn out.
I still like a bunch of the new designs.
>>25698340
I believe I had and still may have some, Mewtwo at the least.
>>25698749
Cap looks good on James and whip feels fitting for Jessie.
>>25696299
>>25703073
You mean GF? I guess they have no reason to go back in style. It only matters to nostalgia fags like us now.
>>25702808
Always preferred that style Mew to the style we have now
>>25702990
Pretty great anon! Keep up the good work!
If phone wallpaper anon is still here, do you think we can get one of pokemon tower with marowak and the ghosts?
>>25703266
Think I like it better too, could be because that was the art they used on the first TCG card.
>>25702990
Looks like a middle ground between the old and new. The manner of shading is similar to the newer, digital stuff, but the colors and whites are more like the older art.
