Middle evolution starters thread.
Seriously is there a design more underrated than Wartortle's
>>25676148
>is there a design more underrated than Wartortle's
Probably not.
Why? Because it's literally just a bigger Squirtle with ears. In fact, all the Kanto starter middle evolutions were pretty crap. The Pokemon barely changes when it evolves, it just grows a little and changes colour, with a few odd feature thrown on. I suppose Charmeleon is acceptable, but Ivysaur is just Bulbasaur with a flower.
>>25676148
Ivysaur is way better than Venusaur, why did it have gain ugly pimples in favor of those cool spots and lose its tough guy eyes in favor of those dumb looking half asleep fish eyes
>>25676148
>The Pokemon barely changes when it evolves
Are you high? That's pretty damn normal for a middle evolution and it sure as hell wasn't only done in gen1
>>25676178
Why can't people appreciate subtlety anymore.
I bet you don't like shinies that don't radically change the color.
>>25676206
was meant to quote
>>25676178
>>25676206
Yes, but Gen 1 was the only Gen where all 3 middle evolutions are just subtle changes.
Yeah, Crocanaw isn't that much different from Totodile, but then compare Cyndaquil to Quilava. With most second starter evos, the Pokemon's form is completely redone with an entirely new idea.
>>25676260
>Yeah, Crocanaw isn't that much different from Totodile, but then compare Cyndaquil to Quilava.
You actually have those two reversed because Quilava is literally only a bigger Cyndaquil.
>>25676148
Charmeleon > Charizard
>>25676348
Quilava has a short snout, open eyes and ears. Cyndaquil does not.
>>25676348
>Quilava is literally only a bigger Cyndaquil.
???
>eyes finally open
>twice as tall
>head shape is completely different, now more like a ferret
>body is tall and streamlined, as apposed to tiny and round
>completely different feet
>long arms
are you joking? i'll admit, on closer inspection, Crocanaw is quite different to Totodile, but Quilava is very different to Cindaquil.
>>25676412
>citing all those minor changes for quilava
>crocanaw suddenly wearing a whole fucking fred flintstone costume
>"on closer inspection"
>>25676412
You could fucking cherry pick all starters like that if you wanted, jesus, hide your bias at least a little bit.
>>25676412
>>25676394
It still looks exactly like Cyndaquil and it's probably by far the most bland change in all starters except for MAYBE Ivysaur.
Meanwhile Wartortle gains a completely different color, a huge fluffy tail, it gains huge fluffy ears and obviouslylike every other starterit gets bigger.
Can we atleast agree that "Wartortle" is one of the GOAT pokemon names?
>>25676542
Every opinion that includes "GOAT Wartortle" is a opinion I share
I really wanted Greninja to just be a bigger Frogadier
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>>25676465
>minor changes
>cherry-picking
>implying I actually have to give reasons for something so obvious
If you have eyeballs that have the ability to see light, you'd know that Quilava is NOT a ''big Cindaquil''. Not only does it grow in size, but the entire CONCEPT of the Pokemon is redone from the ground up. Crocanaw is just a big Totodile with a more detailed torso and rounded head.
>>25676148
>is there a design more underrated than Wartortle's
Considering how much praise it gets on a regular basis I'd say literally every single other design of anything ever
>>25676604
>>25676604
It annoys me that is loses the keromousse for the stupid tongue scarf
>>25676743
do people actually dislike chesnaught's design?
>>25676184
This. Venusaur looks like a fucking dumbshit
>>25676767
Guess they are stuck trying to improve that abomination Quilladin.
>>25676767
Yes. It looks like shit. Fanart doesnt count
>>25676148
Ivysaur is objectively the best because it is better looking than its pre evo and what it evolves into.
Although the plant on the Bulbasaur line makes no sense thematically.
Wartortle's design makes no damn sense either and it is arguably the most awkward of the three.
>Turtle -> Slightly bigger turtle with ears and weird tail -> Biggest turtle with fucking cannons.
>>25676827
Wartortle's tail is meant to represent waves like Squirtle's, don't know about the ears though.
>>25676178
>doesn't like ivysaur because it's a bulbasaur with a flower
>thinks the fucking angry red charmander is the best of the three
anon why are you even here
>>25676184
>>25676769
Because it's similar to Paras/Parasect, the plant on it's bag is parasitic, it's a Rafflesia. Which literally burrows it's organs into vines and surrounding material and the only thing you can see are the five petals that jut up from the ground.
The more you know, because knowledge is power.
>>25676909
>headcanon
>knowledge
You can only pick one
I want toraisea Dewott
>>25676178
fuck you, get out, you don't get the point
>>25677044
It's science, not headcanon, that's clearly a Rafflesia on it's back and a Rafflesia is a parasitic plant. Just the same as the mushroom on Paras/Parasect's back is a Cordyceps.
>>25677088
>the point
Stop making stuff up to defend that design. If Game Freak took a starter, added furry bits to it, changed the colours, and then called it an ''evolution'' in Gen 7 no doubt you'd be complaining. They don't even continue with the idea of the tail, it gets dropped the moment it evolves.
>>25676882
Because it's body shape changes. It's leaner, and stronger looking. It's jaw becomes more defined. It hasn't just got stuff tacked onto it, its an actual evolution.
>>25676184
>tfw Bulbasaur and Ivysaur are top tier but Venusaur is trash tier
how'd they fuck it up so bad?
>>25676148
All of them are underrated for good reason. They're just bland, slightly changed versions of their previous forms. Sure some are better than others but for the most part they aren't much to talk about.
>>25676148
Gen 2 had the coolest middle evolitions. Croconaw and Bayleaf were 10/10.
Gen Three had the worst. Combusken was a shit.
>>25677065
I want toshipBraixen and Dewott
>>25677619
Bayleef and Quilava are great. Croconaw is meh.
Grovyle is great. Marshtomp's nice. Combusken is pretty awkward.
>>25677619
>Combusken was a shit
I love Combusken.
>>25676148
>ugly teenage looking bumblefuck pokemon that just keep you from seeing the superior third evolution pokemon thread
FTFY
>>25677619
Grovyle looks a million times better than Sceptile
>>25676178
>Ivysaur is just Bulbasaur with a flower.
thats the point dumbass. Bulbasaurs evolution line is a flower sprouting and growing.
Best 2nd evolution starter for sure.too bad samurott is shit
>>25676148
Ivysaur was better, and underrated imo.
Come fite me.
>>25676178
"Just gets bigger" is the best thing that can happen to an evolution line.
>>25676148
>Seriously is there a design more underrated than Wartortle's
no there isn't and i still hate blastoise for ruining wartortle's line
>>25676178
I've never understood the whole "Just gets bigger" as a problem. Some pokemon change more then others and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Sure I can understand if you dont like a pokemon because you wanted to see something new in its evolved state, but that's really more personal taste then signs of being shitty. Some pokemon go off the deep end with evolution like Remoraid to Octillery. Where some are a little simpler like Quilava to Typhlosion. And I dont think there is an issue with either. Its pokemon after all, there arent any crucial rules to what makes a pokemon a pokemon.
Now in staying with the thread, oddly I find myself really fond of Monferno. Im not huge on chimchar or Infernape, but Monferno looks like a pretty chill bro.
>>25678921
that fucking pathetic attempt at movement blur
>>25678921
Monferno is a bro.
Good taste.
A Bro tier middle evolution.
>>25677114
>that's clearly a Rafflesia
>the mushroom on Paras/Parasect's back is a Cordyceps.
Wrong both times. Theres no evidence either of those pants even existing in the pokemon world. And even if they did, being parasitic =/= controllong somethings mind. Your headcanon is shit and your scientific understanding is retarded
>>25679081
Straight from the pokedex
A host-parasite pair in which the parasite mushroom has taken over the host bug. Prefers damp places.
The bug host is controlled by the mushrooms that scatter poisonous spores. The spores are sometimes used as medicine in China.
It stays mostly in dark, damp places, the preference not of the bug, but of the big mushrooms on its back.
A mushroom grown larger than the host's body controls Parasect. It scatters poisonous spores.
It is controlled by a mushroom grown larger than the bug body. It is said to prefer damp places.
>>25679215
Wtf does that have to do with venusaur you idiot?
>>25679340
I'm not the guy arguing for Venusaur, I'm just here to prove you wrong about parasites controlling minds in pokemon.
>>25679363
I didnt say that, I know parasect is a mind controlling plant. Read the reply chain and try and figure out what it is your arguing before you try and prove a point no one is arguing against. I said parasite =/= mind control, which is right. Sometimes it does, but that doesnt mean it always does. All apples are fruits but not all fruits are apples.
>>25679428
Nah, the only parasite/host relationship in pokemon is mind controlled. If Venusaur's plant was a parasite, there is more to suggest it would have influence over its host than not.
>>25679488
I should say relationship(s) ... are, the shellder on slowbro and slowking are said to influence their minds as well.
>>25679538
In a good way, though.
>>25679551
It does so by injecting slowpoke's head with toxins, sometime they're called poisons, so it's not necessarily intended to be good for the slowpoke. More like a lucky accident slowking isn't another parasect. Either way the parasite is still influencing the pokemon's mind and thoughts.
>>25679488
>If Venusaur's plant was a parasite, there is more to suggest it would have influence over its host than not.
No there isn't
>>25679593
Based on this I realised that your understand of parasitic/symbiotic relationships is wrong. It doesn't matter what's "intended" or how "lucky" it is. If it benefits both partys, which in slowbros/slowkings case it does, it isn't a parasitic relationship. This still has nothing to do with venusaur
>>25679847
>>If Venusaur's plant was a parasite, there is more to suggest it would have influence over its host than not.
>No there isn't
Sorry I read that wrong. That statement is actually right. Venusaur doesn't have any parasite on it though so its completely hypothetical
>>25676743
>Delphox becomes the biggest contender for "it just gets bigger"
No.
>>25678748I think Samurott looks fine. My only gripe with it is that its so fucking worthless to use
ivysaur has some pretty good lewds
>>25680408
How could they make Samurott useful in battle? They tried to do a mixed attacker but it has little speed and average offenses
I don't know what people were expecting with Tepig but I love its evos.
>>25676148
The Squirtle line would've been my top pick if they hadn't done away with the fluffy tail and ears thing when it evolved. Wartortle looks so neat, but Blastoise is literally my mom's turtle.
I chose Bulbasaur because of this.
>>25676148
>Seriously is there a design more underrated than Wartortle's
Its design is so underrated even Blastoise didn't use its traits.
>>25676148
Wartortle for best middle evo ever.
Am I the only one that wishes Sceptile would've been a bigger Grovyle?
>>25682077
Nope, same here. Sceptile a shit.
>>25678297
sign me up
>>25681678
Acess to Shell Smash(what it should've gotten since it's introduction) would be a start. Also replace Shell Armor with Intimidate too given it's dex entry which will create setup chances. Probably would push up two tiers. In doubles it would be a viable special or mixed sweeper with follow me support.
I wish this was her final evo
>>25682077
Grovyle is ine if the starters where the middle evolutuon looks the best.
Ivysaur, quilava, braixen, and dewott also fall suffer the same way
>>25683675
typhlosion>quilava
>>25676178
>Charmeleon is the acceptance
Charmeloen is literally just a bigger Charmander that has changed color, with a lump on its head. It is the epitome of what you described as being Gen 1's evolution problem.
Ivysaur and Wartortle are fare different than their previous evolutions.
>>25676184
My fucking negro
>>25683832
Charmeleon also has more defined claws and feet
>>25676148
Hell fucking yes.
There are so many mid evos that look as good/better than their final evos. That's something Gen 1 got right. When Pokemon first came out, I kind of thought of final evolutions as optional. The game really pushed waiting to evolve your Pokemon until they learned better moves, and in the anime Ash didn't evolve Pikachu. That combined with Wartortle, Ivysaur, Haunter, (not to mentioned Nidorino and Graveler looking so distinct) made me feel like I didn't have to evolve my Pokemon if i didn't want to.
Scizor is a badass Pokemon, but Scyther remains one of my favorites to this day.
>>25676676
Best middle evolution
Ivysaur is my favourite of the Saur line. Venusaur's lazy/stoned eyes let it down. Shame Ivysaur has so little merch (like 2 plush, one of which I own, and a money bank thing that I've also had since gen 1. Some figures and charms etc too) I'd kill for an Ivysaur Pokédoll.
nothing can beat the penis chicken
Daily reminder that Blastoise was designed before Squirtle and Wartortle, and that he's a fucking badass.Nothing wrong with liking Wartortle, but if anyone should change to fit the line, it'd be him.
>>25684073
but where did the ears and tail go?
can we have an official /vp/ middle cup tournament?
middle evos only
only one evolite per team please
>>25684095
That's like asking where did they come from the first time, considering Blastoise was already designed.
I wouldn't have minded Blastoise kept the foam tail, but eh, I like how it is now. I understand not everybody can get pass the cannons tho.
Anyway, foam dispels over time.
>>25682971
lewd.and so do I, wigglytuff a shitof course it's stats are garbage no matter what you do
>>25676148
Wartortle was my favorite Pokemon as a kid. I was so fucking disappointed when he evolved and Blastoise just looked meh. Why did they decide to randomly drop the fluffy tail and ears?
>>25676148
THIS thread. I thought I was alone.
Charmeleon is fucking beastly.
Johto second forms are better.
Hoenn second forms are better.
Sinnoh second forms are ugly.
Unova second forms are better.
Kalos second forms are better.
>>25682297
>>25678297
>>25683832
See: >>25677284
>>25684650
agreed, except for Sinnoh I like Grotle
I love Blastoise and think Wartortle is the dumbest looking of the three evolutions. I don' care if it's tail is supposed to represen the waves, representing something doesn't mean it looks good
