>"Why were we banned /vp/? We wanna have fun too!"
>>25669880
Mega Mawile has no business being banned, it's not that hard to take care of.
>>25669880
One was the only Pokemon with Shadow Tag that has an offensive set plus is also the only Shadow Tag user that has Perish Song (Wobbuffet is purely defensive, Gothitelle has high Sp. Def. and shit stats elsewhere)
The other has the highest Atk on the game, surpassing Mega Mewtwo X (who has the highest Atk stat with 190) After a Swords Dance she might defeat you whole party. At least it's biggest flaw is her shit base Speed with 50.
>>25669925
Why was it banned in the first place?
>>25669931
That's acting like 60 base speed isn't a major flaw
>Earthquake
Which almost every viable OU Pokemon runs but nah, let's keep them banned.
Is Aegislash still banned? That still makes no sense.
>>25669937
It has the highest attack in the game, however it's slow so you can put a status on it without any problem.
It's easy to deal with but gotta have those cookie cutter teams.
>>25669937
Sucker Punch/Sub Punch. Guess wrong and you're fucked. Admittedly its one of the least broken things Smogon has banned in gen 6. It was based more on the things potential than the actual use of it.
Mega Gengar on the other hand is disgustingly broken. Shadow Tag should not be given to a Pokemon with that speed, power, and moveset. Its manageable in doubles, but it has no place in any singles format
>>25669965
>Guess wrong and you're fucked.
That's like the entire competitive Pokemon metagame in a nutshell
>>25669974
Not everything has a blisteringly high attack stat like Mawile.Although I agree. I voted for it to stay.
>>25669965
Bitches don't know that I be packing that Will-o-Wisp
>>25669948
>gotta have those cookie cutter teams
In my experience Karen teams have more status effects than less since they can't just muscle through things.
>>25670015
That makes sense
>>25669880
They're not banned. The only things banned are:
>Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genesect, Diancie, and Hoopa
>Soul Dew.
>>25670049
>VGC thinking there Meta is better
Maybe when we dont see 50%+ usage of Xerneas Primal Groundon and Landorus on the same team
Then you can have your say
>>25670049
>VCG Banned Celebi, Manaphy and Phione
>>25669943
Aegislash was one of the most broken shits OU has ever seen. Thinking earthquake dealt with him demonstrates that you are the scrubbiest of scrubs.
>>25669880
Why the fuck do you complain about what's banned nigga just walk away
>>25670049
I'm so glad they banned Phione, I can't tell you how many times I've been swept by that monster.
>Same Base stats as regular Glalie
>worse movepool than Glalie
How terrifying. Thanks VGC
>>25670084
>Smogon thinking it actually matters.
>Has trouble with basic english.
Smogonfags, everyone.
>>25669931
The shit speed doesn't mean anything since she has access to Sucker Punch.
>>25670805
And people can play around it 'cause it only hits opponents that selected Attacking Moves, not Status Moves.
>>25670084
>>VGC thinking there Meta is better
>>there meta
>>there
>>25670849
She's broken.
>>25670907
Not really when Taunt exists.
Can Agislash be a counter to Mega Mawile?
>>25670907
>talonflame used flare blitz
>it's super effective
>mega mawile fainted
Git gud.
>>25671165
generally, burn stalling would be more effective, I think. Sucker Punch means you could lose that Talonflame pretty easily.
>>25671165
That better be one bulky ass talonflame.
>>25669880
>>25669925
>>25669931
Wait. Where the fuck are they banned from?
I use a Mega Gengar in all of my rating battles?
>>25670786
>>25670878
>>25671222
>Where the fuck are they banned from?
Nowhere that actually matters, don't worry.
>>25671222
Smogon Singles. It's the format that most unofficial local tournaments use.
>>25671222
Some fan made simulator
>>25671244
>>25671257
So who cares?
You can only get into the official championship by official tourneys+official rating battles.
Why the fuck would this matter?
>>25671165
Mega mawile can usually survive a flare blitz or eq and hit that turn, then hit with sucker punch
>>25669931
>>25670907
>She
>>25671282
If they're using flare blitz, then they're gonna get hit with Sucker Punch first, only using Brave Bird will prevent that.
>>25671282
>Talonflame used Will-o-Wisp!
>>25671426
>talonflame with will-o-wisp
>ever
>>25671462
It's common once you get out of 1400
>>25670049
VGC is shit. It's boiling down to Xerneas, Groudon, Groudon check, something that can counter the other guy's Groudon check, and 2 support guys, usually Cresselia or Smeargle
>>25671508
Aren't legendaries banned in VGC though?
>>25671462
>Not using the best sets
>Not wanting to use Talonflame's bulk so you can tank stuff it shouldn't
>Not wanting to cripple Landorus when it tries to switch in.
Use this.
Talonflame
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Acrobatics
- Roost
- Swords Dance
- Will-O-Wisp
No Item means you can take unboosted Knock Offs from Bisharp, Roost off the damage, and cripple it with Will-O-Wisp. You also don't take recoil from Acrobatics, and a lot of teams just can't handle the pressure Talonflame puts on them if it isn't wearing itself down with repeated recoil.
>>25671535
Nope, VGC 16 allows box legends now. Mythics are still banned, as is Deoxys, but you can now use Primal Groudon and Xerneas to your heart's content in the official format.
>>25671535
Not in 2016 rules
>>25671265
It doesn't, but retards like to pretend it does.
Any good sets for mawile?
>>25671508
That shits changing pretty quick.
Groudon/Kyogre are gonna be 100% though. I thought Xerneas was some threat but I get that shit down easy. Same with Smergle. Taunt is fantastic.
>>25671608
Play Rough, Sucker Punch, Iron Head, and Protect. Works best in Trick Room.
>>25670786
You know you don't have to like smogon, no one is forcing you. But you're kidding yourself if you think its not relevant.
All i see is
>Use OU or speedy thing to kill m mawile
>Same with gengar
>You should only play OU copypaste team sets lmao
>>25671786
The thing is, Mawile can easily switch on any physical attacker thanks to intimidate, set up a sub, and get a free kill if not two. And M-Gar is just disgustingly broken, it's got an insanely good SpA and speed, and a great movepool that lets it fuck anything you want to throw at it backwards.
>>25669937
muh 50/50
>>25669937
it made balance and stall its bitch
>>25671912
-1 4 Atk Life Orb Landorus Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 40 Def Mega Mawile: 182-218 (59.8 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
180+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 170-201 (53.2 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>25673057
Do one with max attack mega mawile
>>25671745
Except it's not relevant. It's not an official format used at tournaments or championships.
Calling Smogon relevant is like drawing your own Pokemon and saying it's relevant to Sun and Moon.
>>25673057
Fuck you, you do one.
>>25669880
In the case of Mega Gengar, I understand that it can be built to remove nearly any instance of any Pokemon you want it to. So if you have a Ferrothorn problem you can use Focus Blast or HP Fire, if its Chansey you run a SubTaunt or PerishTrap set, and it goes on.
Mega Mawile has whats arguably the best typing in the game, it is capable of being fairly bulky, and it has shockingly high Attack with a diverse enough movepool to run any sort of set it wants to.
>>25673072
>>25673097
Nothing changes
>>25673079
It's relevant to the community, which is all Pokemon is anymore. Having a company sponsor you doesn't make it "relevant" it makes it "official"
>>25673111
It's relevant to itself, not to Pokemon. The only time Smogon matters is when you're playing Smogon.
>>25673172
And the only time VGC matters is when people are playing VGC. Smogon is relevant to Pokemon because Smogon is the community, which IS Pokemon. In a way that makes it more relevant than VGC by a long shot.
>>25669880
Are you talking about smogon? Because Smogon hates fun and they ban anything that does damage.
>>25673198
>because Smogon is the community, which IS Pokemon
Pic related.
>>25673198
>Smogon is the community, which IS Pokemon
Spot the smogonfag.
>>25673198
VGC is relevant to Pokemon because it's the official format.
Smogon is only relevant to Smogon, they are not the community as much as they try to pretend to be. They are at best a fraction of the community that is only relevant when it comes up.
To say Smogon IS Pokemon is outright retarded as well, because they're not. If they were Pokemon, they'd be official now wouldn't they.
>>25673198
The fact that there actually exists someone so retarded and delusional as to think that Smogon IS the pokemon community is actually amazing. As expected of /vp/.
>>25673198
>Smogon is relevant to Pokemon because Smogon is the community, which IS Pokemon.
Christ, really now?
>>25673239
No, they wouldn't be. Why would they be? They're a huge fan community, that doesn't mean they'd be official for any reason.
The only reason you idiots think VGC is "awesome" is because Fucking Nintendo puts a stamp of approval on it. It's not an interesting meta, it's not a competitive or challenging meta, it just has a big sticker on it from daddy, which means you don't have to think, you just have to blindly worship.
Fucking nintencucks.
>>25673264
>>25673251
>>25673235
>>25673221
Right, I forgot that the people who run and are a part of the Smogon community are in no way Pokemon fans or a member of the community.
You're fucking morons if you think that Smogon is not a project of the Pokemon community.
>>25673293
You're putting some fan-made meta with as much value as anything I can come up with in the same level of the official shit.
That's dumb.
>>25673317
What do they have that separates them? other than the stamp of approval of a fucking company?
You're saying that because something is "official" it's quality. Which makes you a retard.
>>25673279
>"Huge"
>Forum with at best 250,000 people.
>On a game that 11 Million on up play.
>"THEY ARE THE COMMUNITY! SMOGON IS POKEMON!"
Also that sticker means they're more relevant then Smogon will ever be.
>>25673293
You stupid fucking retard. What you wrote implies that Smogon is the pokemon community. Not that the smogonfags are part of the pokemon community, which is true but completely irrelevant. Smogon is an extremely small part of the pokemon community. They are irrelevant to the large majority. They are house rules about a game that is not designed to be competitive. They shouldn't pretend to be anything more than that.
Either learn better English or stop posting.
>>25673334
Yeah nah, I called it official shit for a reason.
>>25673334
>other than the stamp of approval of a fucking company?
You understand that that stamp of approval of that small multi billion company is worth more than every smogontard combined right?
>>25673344
No it doesn't, the sticker means that it has the financial support of a company, not that it's a quality meta. You also assume that the community is made up of 11 million people, which makes you a bigger idiot than you sound like....
>>25673348
You stupid fucking cuntstain, what you wrote is mindless dribble that has nothing to do with the message of my post, and little to do with its delivery.
Stop posting regardless of the level of English you learn.
>>25673376
>I have no actual arguement, I better start insulting people. That totally means I'll win.
Goddamn, I love how every Smogonfag is delusional as fuck.
>>25673368
No I don't, because i'm not an idiot who sees "official format" and assumes that it's better. If it was worth anything, people wouldn't feel the need to create their own metas, but they do.
You understand that something can have the stamp of a multi-billion dollar company and still be shit?
>>25673376
>You also assume that the community is made up of 11 million people, which makes you a bigger idiot than you sound like....
Haahahahaha. What the fuck am I reading?
The other anon was right. Stop posting, ESLfag.
>>25673376
>The smogonfag is getting buttflustered.
>>25673397
To be fair, I was insulted first. "You stupid fucking retard, either learn better English or stop posting"
Second of all, I've already won, i'm just on a board of "official format" hugging mouthbreathers.
>>25673400
What on earth makes you believe there are eleven million people in the Pokemon community? The fact that the most recent versions sold 11 million copies?
>>25673414
Better get your precious staff to host a suspect test and ban for this thread then if you really want to win.
>>25673376
>>25673398
You have no idea what Relevant actually means do you?
>rel·e·vant
>ˈreləvənt/
>adjective
>closely connected or appropriate to the matter at hand.
VGC is the most relevant to Pokemon because it's official. It's more connected and appropriate to Pokemon then any fan bullshit.
>>25673414
But you don't know English. You don't even know what you're posting means in the first place. That's why you keep posting different shit every time you post and backtrack like a motherfucker.
>>25673435
Cute.
>>25673414
>Multiple posts of delusional raving, ranting and insults.
>I've already won!
>>25673426
The fact that no one ever implied that, ESLfag.
>>25673441
I haven't done anything of the sort.
>>25673439
But, as I've said, it's also shit. I don't see how it's more "connected" or "appropriate" whatever you tried to mean by that. Official means nothing.
>>25673414
I don't even play competitively in either format and I still think you're completely retarded. Both the VGC's and Smogon's metas are shit. You're completely delusional and underaged judging by your mindless replies in this whole chain.
>>25673450
> This person disagrees with me, better pretend I don't understand what he's saying.
>>25673451
read
>>25673344
And kindly shove it up your ass. If you can get the Lucario dildo out of there.
>>25673459
>The definition is right there.
>Can't understand it.
I know school gets out at around 2:30/3:00 but you should probably go back.
>>25673477
I'm neither delusional or underaged, and I don't play Smogon rules either. I just dislike the VGC circlejerking by these idiots. Absolutely nothing I have said has been mindless, and i've maintained pretty much the same position this entire thread.
>>25673484
What is there for me to read? Nowhere in that post does that anon imply that the pokemon company or gamefreak consists of 11 million people. You really don't know English.
>>25673492
Considering you can't quite figure out how to use words properly, I might suggest that you do the same.
>>25670084
when they nerf Kang and ban the genies and get back to the original format, everything will be good.
>>25673499
You're a cute troll, but you revealed your hand too heavily.
>>25673498
Dude, you went from "Smogon IS pokemon. They are the community. They are relevant" to "Okay, they're a small part of the community but VGC is shit" to "I'm not talking about relevancy actually, it's just that VGC is shit" to "I don't play anything and I don't even care, you're just all VGC cocksuckers and I won".
Take a step back and relax.
>>25673510
I'm not the one who doesn't know what relevant means, I'm not the one who shouted "SMOGON IS POKEMON!" and then immediately backtracked to "Smogon is part of the community" when I got laughed at, princess.
>>25673536
Smogon is a small part of the community, but relevant, AND VGC is shit. That's been my point from the beginning.
I don't get you.
What's wrong with smogon and vgc? Why is this do divisive?
>>25673553
Man, all this backtracking and goal moving. You just filter out everything except what you're claiming at this very moment, don't you?
>>25673279
>it's not a competitive or challenging meta
it's more competitive and skill intensive than any Smogon meta, but getting far enough to realize that is probably too hard for you
>>25673547
That's not backtracking, they're the exact same points, princess.
I can make someone look like an idiot if I allcaps with an exclamation point too retard.
>>25673569
I guess, either that or you're too thick to understand that someone can have a position on a topic other than "mindless hate" or "mindless worship" But I do understand that divisiveness is a trait of autists.
>>25673279
>it's not a competitive or challenging meta
Well, for starters VGC is doubles. And doubles are a lot more skill intensive and strategic than singles which Smogon operates on have, are or will ever be.
>>25673572
Saying "Smogon is the community, which IS Pokemon." and "Smogon is part of the community." is not the exact same point.
They are two completely different points and if you actually knew English you'd know this.
>>25673571
What makes it competitive? The fact that idiotic pokemon like Phione are banned, and that your teambuilding is limited by one item policies?
>>25673571
>actually believing this
>smogon
No good sir. I only play the superior vgc with my bros xerneas, groudon, mega kangaskan, smeargle, landorus and cresselia.
>>25673601
I'm not arguing semantics with you anymore, there's no point. I know what I said, you know what I said, and you're a faggot.
>>25673602
Are you sure you understand what competitive means? Phione is banned because it's a mythical, it's got nothing to do with anything
>>25673614
>I'm too retarded to figure out how to deal with cookie cutter teams
>>25673611
>I have never played doubles
>>25673616
I know what you said, but you don't seem to seeing as you don't understand the differences between those two points.
This is basic English, you know.
>>25673616
>I'm not arguing about sentences I post anymore
>It all means the exact same shit because I say so
>You're an idiot
People like you are the reason ESLfags are hated.
>>25673637
You realize you've been hammering on about my perfect English in basically every single one of your posts? You have no point, no position, you're just that guy who complains about a typo. Except in this case, there was no typo in the first place.
>>25673621
There's nothing more fun than beating thd same six pokemon over and over again. I personally make it a point to jack off everytime I ko amoongus.
>>25673614
>>25673621
Its gotten to the point where the best known checks for those 6 Pokemon are themselves. Its what happened last year but worse.
Even for the closest relatable Smogon meta, Xerneas and Groudon are nigh unstoppable unless you get yours out first or stop them from getting any momentum.
>arguing over competitive formats for a children's game
wew lads
>>25673642
I'm not ESL.
>Smogonfags still think they have a right to voice their opinions when they're proven to lack the intelligence to deserve such a privilege
>>25673667
Have you tried gitting gud?
>>25673685
>smogon
>stupid
The fact they managed to isolate mons into usage tiers and create a nearly balanced metagame shows they arent stupid.
>>25673707
Stop, Smogon doesn't have a sticker given to them by a company. They clearly must not matter.
>>25673707
>smogon
>balanced metagame
Ahahahahaha
>>25673707
Usage tiers and that stuff is something any idiot can pull off. Nothing special or smart about it.
>>25673698
It's not an actual game of skill, anon. He doesn't get i-frames where he can dodge earthquakes and shit. The best you can do is plan for the biggest threats.
>>25673659
>perfect English.
>Has no idea what relevant means.
>Doesn't understand the basic differences between two points he himself posted.
>perfect
Goddamn, I haven't laughed this hard in awhile.
Also, it's completely relevant, because your misunderstanding of English means you are presenting multiple contrary points as the same thing as your argument. If you actually had English as good as you believe you do, you're understand why people keep calling you stupid and telling you to go back to school.
But, no. Go on and claim that you've won. I'm sure your delusions are much sweeter then reality.
>>25673721
Oh yh well you do it then smart guy, oh wait you cant so stop hating already.
>>25673717
>muh stall is hard to deal with guise
Stop playing OU fag.
>>25673731
You seem upset.
>>25673731
You're autistic as shit.
>>25673731
You forgot a coma.
>>25673731
how crusty are your palms right now?
>>25673731
Also your English is shit, ESL.
>>25673731
Is this the birth of a dank new pasta?
>>25673735
Says the one who can't handle simple non-legendary pokemon like Mega Mawile and Greninja.
>>25673769
Has to be, nobody can actually be this retarded.
>>25673698
>>25673728
I've been paying attention to VGC and Doubles Ubers to compare and contrast them, it's mostly the same shit. Even the teams without Xerneas or Primal Groudon have a considerable element being "How do I stop these two?"
Mega-mawile was heavy handed. Mega-gengar was the best decision they've made since evasion clause. He's free kills the pokemon.
>>25673780
Vgc being basically ubers kind of bums me out. It's been that way since Kyogre spam though.
I play Smogon for shit like M-Gengar
But I hate it when they ban stupid stuff like shadow tag and Mega Mawile
>>25673839
I had high hopes that it would turn out to be similar to VGC '10, where there was still a weather-centered meta but you had all kinds of choices to support your weather starter or you could go against the grain.
In VGC's defense, there is a lot of stuff that you are not seeing. The top 8 can be running the same 7-8 Pokemon, but none of them are the same. You can even have two people running the exact same set and item, but one person put an extra 12 EVs in special defense to guarantee that Xerneas's Moonblast can only 2ko at best, or someone's Cresselia might have 4 speed EVs instead of 0 to outspeed a certain Pokemon after an Icy Wind.
Good riddance to both
>Shadow Tag is inherently unfair to competitive
>Gets an intimidate on first switch in then transform into something with 210 base attack that has basically no safe switch ins
>btw this pokemon has good defenses too
>btw this pokemon also has the literal best type combination in the game of steel/fairy which gives it fucking 11 resists/immmunities
>mfw people argue against it's ban
But please give me a scenario or screencap of a Mega-Mawile player doing something stupid so you could use some meme set to beat them
>>25674007
>210 attack
210 caps off at a little over 500 in stats. Mega Mawile would a theoretical base attack of over 255.
>>25670907
It can't even beat defensive Lando-T or TankChomp lmfao
>>25671542
>recoil from acrobaticswas it a life orb gale birb?
>>25670107
They banned all event pokemon and children of event pokemon
>>25674528
Reading comprehension.
>Doesn't take recoil
>Isn't wearing itself down with recoil
>>25674613
Not him. But I can see how he got confused. Why do you need to specify that you don't take recoil from acrobatics? I think we all know this?
>>25674637
Not him, but it's obvious that anon was comparing his set to the standard, which uses the more powerful Brave Bird (plus item) but instead wears itself down.
>>25674597
except y'know, sludge wave gengar, barrier dragonite, etc
>>25674928
>>25674637
>>25674613
>>25674528
Buncha ESL queers in this thread
>>25673057
>-1 4 Atk Life Orb Landorus Earthquake
you fucking what?
>Competitive Pokemon
>Fun being permitted
>>25674637
>>25674928
>>25674951
Nothing like that at all I responded to an anon who had responded to another anon who said that the Talonflame set he posted was good because it doesn't take recoil. And the anon responded as if the original anon said Talonflame DOES take recoil from Acrobatics. What's ESL about clearing up a game mechanic that's in both VGC and Smogon?
>>25675049
That's a special attack invested Landorus using earthquake after suffering a Mawile's intimidate.
>>25675091
LandorusI would use Earth Power. Sheer Force+ Life Orb + Stab Earth Power on a 252SpA LandoI would one shot Mawile.
>>25673571
>>25673598
>it's more competitive and skill intensive than any Smogon meta
>than singles which Smogon operates on
I don't understand this meme. You do know that you can play both Smogon doubles and VGC on Pokemon Showdown, right?
>>25669880
Mawile has been my favorite shitmon since emerald. Then XY game along and gave it all kinds of gifts which made me happy. Then it wrecks everyone's shit and gets banned. Even if I use it outside of Smogon I'm seen as just a try hard faggot
Life is suffering
>>25669937
The things that countered it were banned. Soon, the things IT counters will also be banned.
>>25675765
>playing battlespot singles on Showdown
>sweep a guy with M-Wile
>fucking tryhard kill yourself
>mfw I just like the design of the mega
T-thanks gf
>>25675797
>The things that countered it were banned
No they weren't. Learn what the word countered means before you use it again.
>Smogon
L M AO
M
AO
>>25671257
delusional?
all the local tournies i've been to use modified battle spot rules
and i've lived in two very different regions in NA
>playing in the high tiers in the first place
It's almost like you don't like fun. Stick to RU and lower if you want to actually enjoy yourself.
>>25678382
I'd rather play with my favorites than make some Caterpie use String Shot, thanks.
>>25677830
But it's true. After everything that put M-Wile in its place was removed, it was given the freedom to run rampant.
>>25678332
you suck at everything
In case any of you wonder, M-Mawile was not a problem in OU before Aegislash ban because le pivot sword turned the entire tier into Ground and Fire spamfest while cleaning it out of most relevant Fighting, Psychic and Fairy types, with some exceptions like Keldeo that had secondary STAB to deal with it. With at least half of every well made team straight up murdering Mawile it had a very hard time setting up.
It's still kind of bearable, but requires dedicating half of your team to stopping it, which is way too centralising.
>>25680867
>Caterpie
>RU
Were you dropped on your head?
Why was Greninja banned again?
>>25681800
Not a single counter of Mega Mawile was banned. Unless you're being completely retarded and saying that P. Groudon should be OU
>>25684390
It made hyper offense nearly unplayable.. Stall didnt care much because of its pink blobs, but the only thing that countered greninja were p2, umbreon, and chansey.
>>25682161
>In case any of you wonder, M-Mawile was not a problem in OU before Aegislash
Stopped reading there. Aegislash meta was raw cancer.
>No it's fine! Every match should be decided by aegislash vs aegislsash coin filps
>Its about diversity you guys!
>>25670107
Why ban the 100-flush club? none of them are even that good except maybe Manaphy...on a very specific team.
>>25684390
Not as broken as most ban proponents claimed, but completely invalidates almost all balance teams all by itself (read: those that don't have Porygon2) while still being perfectly usable against both offense and stall.
>>25684494
>It made hyper offense nearly unplayable
Incorrect. Lopunny completely shits all over it, as do most relevant scarfers, Fighting types with Mach Punch and other megas that naturally outspeed it if they manage to get evo off on something else. Still zero switch ins, but Greninja was perfectly beatable for offensive builds back then.
>>25684499
>Stopped reading there.
Your mistake faggot, because you just summed up what I wrote.
>>25684598
>Incorrect. Lopunny completely shits all over it, as do most relevant scarfers
I didn't know they were fond of switching in to LO STAB ____s. And holy hell can we not go there with the "Just clcik mach punch, it's clearly a dark type 3 turns ago" meme?
Another question, why was Garchomp the beast it was in gen4? I was fairly young then and didn't pay that much attention to the meta.
Just play Battle Spot singles bros..
>>25675765
>>25676120
>boohoo my shitmon isn't a shitmon anymore
>feel my suffering of being too good
>>25684494
>mach punch
Two words, and people arguing in favor of a Greninja ban lost instantly.
>>25684716
102 was an awesome speed tier in Gen IV and it was used a lot more offensively than it is now. SD with good coverage, good typing, trollish Abilities, and pseudo tier BST.
>>25684828
>It's not very effective!
>Greninja's Protean activated the turn before when it rekt your Fairy switchin with Gunk Shot!
>Greninja used Extrasensory!
>>25684716
Dragon was the best offensive type in the game due to having no real counters since ice was as shit as ever, and Garchomp was pretty much the only one who filled the niche as a Dragon sweeper besides Salamance, but Salamence was slower so an outraging Garchomp could KO first.
Plus Stab earthquake on anything it didn't have type advantage over, and stone edge for fliers. Fire blast for any Mamoswines.
It was just very annoying to take on due to its typing, speed, power and coverage. A fast water type with ice beam was one of the few things that could reliably kill one. It being a balanced Pokemon relied entirely on ice not being a totally shit type and it just was.
>>25669943
Aegislash was banned because of King's Shield. It's a ridiculously overpowered move.
>Lol Imma protect this turn and sharply lower your attack if you hit me physically.
A way to nerf King's Shield would be to make it fail if a special attack is used. Right now it's completley broken.
>>25685079
Does it still lower attack if it infiltrator or one of the bypassing attacks hits?
>>25685079
Eh, I'd already argue its worse then protect. The fact you can get put to sleep, burned or seeded really hurts it usability. Sure its neat to lower attack, but you shouldn't need contact moves to beat it. I play WiFi, so I was very surprised that Aegislash got the axe, but I guess the sleep clause and other tactics being banned really helped the goofy ghost.
>>25685079
>Aegislash was banned because of King's Shield
Are you completely discounting its actually good offenses and defenses? Base 150 when on attack and Base 150 on defense. It doesn't really help that it's slow so it's more than likely going to be on the defensive stance when you attack.
King's Shield is largely responsibly for making it all work, but it's not the only factor in play.
>>25684716
It was pretty much all you needed out of a Dragon-type at that time. It was fast, had a degree of natural bulk, and extremely powerful. Pokemon that could KO it had a horrible time finding a way to come in, and it could be outfitted with Fire Blast or Swords Dance if you want to fly past physical walls.
>>25669880
Mega Gengar is understandable considering how it is crazy fast, has amazing coverage and spattack, along with the ability to trap anything and KO it immediately. It is understandable to ban it, and regular gengar is usable in OU, so no real loss. On the other hand, Mawile can be easily counter with smart predictions and a well balanced team. The ban for mawile completely ruined GF trying to make it better. Now all you can use is regular mawile who blows dick. Good job smogon
Did anyone else love the early 6th gen OU before pokebank and before everything was getting banned? That shit was great.
>>25685485
It''s shit speed would probably bump it down to OU if it didn't have a protect that sharply lowers attack.
>Sticky Web made Shuckle jump three tiers
>>25684828
There's so much wrong with this claim I don't know where to begin. I'll just settle for calling you a delusional fuck
At least weather wars are over.
>>25685594
Wi-Fi Gen was better
>>25689998
>Gen4 meta
>>25669974
The entire Ubers metagame
