ITT: Cute/neat background details in Pokken
I'd love to post something but I can't fucking see anything with that disgusting blur filter.
tfw lucario found a place even at the dojo as portrait
ENOUGH!
also genies and shit
anyone got nice images of the regi ruins arena?
>>25657225
That togekiss would freak me the fuck out irl
>>25657281
It gives you the fucking stage radius
my favorite pokemon in the background
buncha unown passing by in the background
>>25657442
yeah lugia's pretty cool
i can't take any screenshots atm but the electrode in the power training gym cracks me up
In Old Ferrum Town (Autumn) there is a trainer on a bike with a Volcorona flying behind him, as a nod to the Pokémon breeders and shiny hunters and shit.
No pic, sorry, but it's not hard to miss him speeding about.
Does anyone know where roselia is?
>>25657688
>as a nod to the Pokémon breeders and shiny hunters and shit.
HOLY SHIT YOU JUST MADE ME REALIZE THAT DUDE
>>25657225
>>25657688
Pretty sure that's actually Tellur Town
Old Ferrum Town is the Italian one with Smeargle painting shit in the background
>>25658149
Top kek, that's amazing
>>25658158
I may have got the towns mixed up yeah, after all, only been playing a day or two.
>>25657688
Yeah, and on top of that you can see a Gible and a Ditto in the breeding grounds.
The autumn variant of that town then has a Gabite outside, and multiple Gible in the grounds with the Ditto.
>>25658185
>>25657688
They know. They really do.
>>25658227
Yeah, they absolutely do, there's no doubt. The dev's actually are fans of Pokemon, and I think it was Nomura himself who said that he didnt place Absol in the game as it was his favorite, and didnt want to let bias affect the roster choice.
There's a bunch of other references too. A lot of the moves fit logically within the game's mechanis (Weavile's knock off, for instance, knocks off synergy energy from the foe), and there's a ton of actual trainer classes in the background. The training Dojo also has Substitute dolls lying around, and Mokujin's (which is a Tekken reference.)
>>25657281
Is also a reference to what the genies are based off of. Pic related. Theyre not actually genies, but Kami of Wind and Thunder in this classic painting-- the "tails"from the genies can even be matched to the rings on the gods.
The fact that they know that is either a really lucky guess, or actual consideration of the origins of the pokemon.
>>25657442
where?
I need a gif of the whirlipede on a treadmill
The Meowstics are on a date in Diggersby Land
>>25658268
>The dev's actually are fans of Pokemon, and I think it was Nomura himself who said that he didnt place Absol in the game as it was his favorite, and didnt want to let bias affect the roster choice.
I think you mean Harada.
Also I would've preferred Absol over Libre and S.Mewtwo, as much as I dislike it. Shotoclones are one thing and different movesets are another but it doesn't sit right with me when there's so many Pokémon to choose from.
in the normal version of Tellur Town you can see a Zangoose sitting on a bench besides a Teddiursa
in the autumn version of Tellur Town the Zangoose is now sitting beside a Ursaring meaning the Teddiursa
there is so many different stuff going on in each stage it's hard to name them all
>>25658581
no it was Nomura, Harada had hardly any exposeser to the pokemon brand before working on Pokken and his favorite pokemon is pikachu
>>25657225
Electrode on a treadmill
also sleeping shuckles in regi ruins are cute
>>25658281
>Whirlipede is working out on a treadmill in Speed Training Gym
>Whirlipede's hidden ability is Speed Boost
>it's Speed also increases greatly after evolving into Scolipede
Deepest lore
>>25658645
I'm dying
>>25658645
Love it
Can you spot some of the Tekken fighters?
>>25658227
One of us actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waKdG3YuHdU
>>25658986
This makes me so fucking happy.
I think it really shows. The pokemon are so accurately protrayed as fighters-- Lucario is speedy and able to attack from both close and long range effectively, even despite being power characters Charizard and Garchomp have great movement options, Mewtwo uses multi-elemental attacks, hell even Weavile's Knock Off actually knocks off synergy.
You can really feel that passion in this game, and I fucking love it.
>>25658986
>bandai namco holds scret internal pokemon club
that's real cute
I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but, What does /vp/ think about the empty space in on the roster layout? Will they be filled with more mons?
>>25657501
Cofagrigus in the back cheering on his gen V ghostbro.
>>25659631
>yfw the slots are for 3 g7 pokemon and greninja
>>25657225
>>25658645
>>25657688
>>25657734
Why, because of that one fan art?
>>25659656
no, because in gen5 volcarona was the only flame body + fly pokemon (now we also have flechinder and talonflame), so it was the go-for choice when picking the lead pokemon fo 5 egs
flame body makes eggs hatch 2x as fast, and fly could take you fomr the daycare to the longest unova bridge for biking-hatching
>>25658149
Can you crawl into Pikachu's gaping vagina in this stage?
>>25658986
Holy shit. He's the real deal.
>>25659581
All the little details in the animations are fucking wonderful too.
>Braixen pulling more sticks out of her tail
>different poses/orientations on the stick depending on the direction you airdash
>Charizard's cockiness all the fucking time (dat high stance)
>most high stances in general, fuck
>your Pokemon actually looks pissed off in its idle stance after you've lost a round
>>25658986
Can we expect a playable Talonflame DLC somewhere down the line then?
>>25658986
Now if we could only get someone who actually plays pokemon to design a mainlines pokemon game...
>>25658986
>one hundred Dittos
lol what a nerd
>>25658273
>>25659820
meanwhile
>thunder jolt still hasn't had its name changed and skull bash hasn't been teachable to Pikachu since Gen I
>fly is absolute garbage for a recovery, charizard jumps like a lead balloon, and has unusually low air mobility for a guy with wings
>Mewtwo is extremely light, extremely weak defensively, and only uses the most basic psychic moves that you'd probably forget over all the others
>Jigglypuff is still in the game, still with as much bullshit as ever, never to be removed due to seniority
why can't they be more like pokken
why can't EVERYONE in Smash be like pokken
>>25657442
Wailord looks terrifying just by how it dwarfs Lugia.
>>25658986
>he plays bike sim
>>25660631
He can't say he injects it :^) in an official video now can he.
>>25659820
>Braixen pulling more sticks out of her tail
As the owner of a dog with a very fluffy tail I can sympathize with that.
>>25658869
I know he's in the Ferrum Dojo, are there any other Tekken cameos?
>>25658869
What the fuck is this.
>>25660493
Stop shittalking best girl
>>25660882
Mokujin, a Tekken fighter who's a clone of everyone on the roster.
>>25660872
Heihachi is in Digersby land
>>25658149
>vorefagfetish.jpg
>>25658986
Holy shit
>>25658986
Do you really need that many Dittos for breeding?
>>25658986
>Holding a Croagunk plush
WHERE'S MY TOXICROAK BRO NAAAAAMCO-
>>25661115
You only really need one of each nature (if they have 6IV) but he probably catched these Dittos in a Friend Safari (3IV), so he was overcompensating it.
This only shows how gamefreak should remove IVs from the game, seriously, they should be removed, they serve no purpose besides making you lose hours and hours.
>>25660882
Mokujin. A Tekken character that mimics another random character each round of the match.
You aren't given any move lists either, so the only way a player would know who he's mimicking is to pay attention to his stance.
>>25661282
They definitely need to find a new system, I agree. IV's were good in theory, until it became aware by casual players, and even Game Freak, that people wanted easier in game methods to control this.
And GF did in X/Y, but my god it just showed how tedious it all is.
But with Gen 1 being compatible with S/M, I have a sneaky suspicion that it's all going to be overhauled, no more IV's next Gen.
>>25658869
Would ditto make a good Mokujin like character in Pokken?
>>25661411
You realise Gen I had IVs, right?
It's such an ancient mechanic that it's probably never going to be removed at this point.
>>25661472
Not really, given the diversity of Pokémon shapes Mokujin's gimmick would be hard to implement in Pokken, even with Ditto.
>>25661593
Yeah that's what I figured, but I suppose it could theoretically be possible.
>>25661593
Or we just get ditto transforming into pink versions of the fighters it emulating or a simplified face.
>>25661575
I think he meant that Gen I IV's were fundamentally different.
>>25661798
EVs were fundametally different, IVs are mostly the same shit except GF decided to make them extra tedious somewhere around gen 3 for no reason at all.
>>25661083
>Vore
>not unbirthing
Step it up Anon.
>>25661833
>Oh look! My Pikachu has 2 more Sp.Attack points than your Pikachu, even though they're at the same level! This is what I call DIVERSITY!
Literally the reason why IVs exist, so little kids can find it fun and interesting for 10 seconds before forgetting it completely.
>>25661575
They were different though.
With both Gen 6 and 1 Pokemon being transferable to Gen 7, at least one of the systems will change.
People have been trying to figure out how Gen 1 mons will be "updated" when transferred to fit into the new IV system, but I was thinking maybe there will be a new system entirely.
>>25661883
They could easily have skipped IVs and only left EVs and it'd still be the same kind of """DIVERSITY""" for little kids to enjoy
>>25660493
You know Jiggs is pretty much the worst character in Smash 4, right?
>>25661894
No, IVs represent hardcoded genetics. EVs are just extra points earned from training, can be added and removed at will.
>>25661883
>so little kids can find it fun
I literally didn't know anyone in my elementary school (including myself) who gave a single look to the stats at any point during the time Pokemon was popular. Most just straight up mashed the A button when the level up screen came up.
I like the human-shaped hole in the outer wall of the dojo
>>25661927
And she sure as hell isn't going anywhere. Despite not being in the anime since Hoenn, despite having a plethora of Fairy type moves, despite the several hundred other Pokemon out there, Jigglypuff is still the same old shit, forever stuck in the roster like a tumor.
They'll never have the guts to change her up because "oh, the fans will be upset"
bullshit they will, look at SFV vega, he's doing fine
>>25662051
She's my favorite character to play, but I agree that if she's going to stay, her moveset needs a rework. It's outdated and impossible to balance as is, so they just leave her awful instead.
>>25657688
It's Tellur Town
>>25662157
It's like that for everybody old in Smash. They're so plain white bread, it took four games just for Link to get a Jump Attack. Soul Calibur II made a more faithful Link than Smash did. Mario has a whopping three power ups referenced, and one's a taunt. Kirby's got a bajillion moves, but he just sticks with stubby kicks. Samus is a zoner with shitty zoning. You could reskin all of the Melee top tiers and make them original characters, and nobody will even think "Oh hey, that reminds me of a Nintendo character."
>>25660882
Mega Sudowoodo
>>25657281
AWAKEN MY MASTERS
>>25658645
there's also Whirlipede on a treadmill <3
>Ferrum
Clever.
>>25657225
Tellur Town (Autumn)
>the Ursaring and Zangoose playfully trying to judge each other off of the bench
>the Pinsir playing in the leaves
>>25662211
why the fuck are both of zangoose's ears red
>>25661884
>With both Gen 6 and 1 Pokemon being transferable to Gen 7, at least one of the systems will change.
most likely gen1 since it has to itroduce nature, ability, different evs, different ivs, shinyness if applyable, met place, gender, and i guess maybe ribbon/pentagon-like indicator
>>25662465
>>25661884
*and split the special stat
>>25659631
>Random button isn't a Ditto
Shame
>>25658268
pretty sure everyone knows about the the 2 brother genies being kamis
still fucking genies on a cloud regardless
Cheers for Norman's dojo gym reference with Slaking.
>>25663737
No anon you don't understand, they can't be genies because Pokémon can only be based on one thing. Like how Empoleon isn't based on Napoleon because it's clearly a penguin. :^)
Does the Dojo stage actually come in two variants or am I going crazy? I swear one of them starts with the camera panning out of Lucario picture, the other has the Kami painting instead.
>>25663917
it does have seasons
>>25663861
having lore and mixed origins doesn't change the fact they look like shitty genies :^)
>>25660494
The true king of the ocean.
>>25659677
>and fly could take you fomr the daycare to the longest unova bridge for biking-hatching
I just used the line before the building, it also makes more sense because then the old guy would yell at you when a new egg was laid
>>25660493
>>25661927
>>25662051
Speaking of Tr4sh's balance as if it's relevant.
The game is decided by its lenient comeback mechanics. Not by an actual display of skill.
Pokken is aight tho
>>25658564
PICTURES PLEASE
>>25660493
This.
See, the cool thing about fighting games is you can tweak a vast number of values and elements to make pretty much any character work and balanced. They may not match 100% to their origins, but they can still elicit a similar feel.
You can theoretically have a character that's fast, strong, has good recovery, is heavy, etc.., seemingly a "perfect" character, by adding small disadvantages to break it up (limited combo game, punishable grab, linear approach, etc.).. and they do this all the time with characters in Smash. Cloud isn't broken, but his "stats"-- very fast, high range, awesome kill potential-- make him appear to be.
Smash doesnt even fucking try with half of the pokemon.
Why is Charizard so fucking clumbersome? Why does Charizard have one of the absolute worst aerial movements in the game (to the point where him having multiple jumps actually HURTS him)? Why is Lucario a slow heavyweight? Why did they completely make up an Aura mechanic for him despite having source material? Luckily theyre fixing Mewtwo's speed issue, but why is he so basic beyond that? Why such a shit grab?
I think it's pretty clear the Smash team has never played pokemon and just runs things based on their design alone.
>>25659646
I actually want Greninja in the roster
>>25662211
Is that zangoose holding teddiursa's hand? if so that shit is kawaii nigga
>the most interesting part of the game is the backgrounds
You can't make this shit up.
On the Haunted House stage, there's a huge doorway, sealed shut with a bunch of chains and a heavy padlock. Something powerful is attempting to get through the barrier, repeatedly rattling the doors as it tries to enter the room. Meanwhile this guy is hovering at the scene, watching the whole thing unfold.
>>25657501
>Regice made out of rock
kek
>>25665870
Pokemon fusions confirmed?
lol is that supposed to be a snowman Oppa
>>25665448
For a fighting game based off an adventure game, it's appropriate.
>>25665448
>spends time on V when he doesnt play games
>>25665448
Duh, is a fighting game.
Is there a list or video or something that shows all the arenas in Pokken?
>>25664707
Sakurai would rather spend time masturbating to Waifu Emblem characters.
>>25666561
>How dare he put new popular characters in Smash.
The reason is because they're new, popular and actually do need a boost in sales plus you bitching about how FE characters are more faithful than Pokemon characters is kinda bullshit as they're hard to fuck on top of having made up movesets too excluding a few moves like I sure as fuck don't remember Corrin being able to glide plus most of his moveset comes from a single 3 hit skill. Although I do agree most of the Pokemon have little going for them.
>>25657442
I would lose my shit if I saw a fucking Lugia that close
>>25658986
The funny thing is GameFreak would call him a loser for not playing the way they intended/
>>25664707
Smash has many very basic issues in its core. Since there's a knockback based system, heavy characters are given tons of weight, mediocre recoveries, and deal tons of damage. Problem is that lots of them have no options due to all the start up and recovery their moves have, the game's equivalent to corners is actually detrimental and puts faster agile characters at an advantage, and the health doesn't matter at all due to the combos that agile characters have, the weak recoveries, and the ability to spike opponents, ending stocks far sooner than they would've. It's not like Zangief or Tager, where they have tons of options, command grabs and super armor to make opponents fear them, all heavies have going for them is a single hit.
>>25661115
Yes if you want perfect IVs Hidden Power types too.
>>25661282
>>25667297
Don't forget you need 0 Attack Dittos for Special Attackers and you also might want 0 Speed Dittos for some stuff.
>ZeRo is getting wrecked by everyone in Pokken because he thinks speed is everything
take that, ya neckbeard fuck
>>25660493
>wanting to remove Jigglypuff
>>25667890
Well, if they're not going to do ANYTHING at all to her moveset, why bother. It's like an unironic version of Dan.
I love the Gourgeist banging on the piano with its hair like it's a pair of drums in the haunted house stage.
>>25657442
Why do they keep making Lugia fatter and fatter?
He looks like a stuffed turkey struggling to stay in the air in X/Y/OR/AS.
>>25668030
Reverse Pikachu Syndrome.
>>25668009
Because there are players that like her moveset? What changes exactly would you make? Would you try to change her entirely and make her a special-based fighter instead of physical?
>>25668072
I dunno, give her moves that can be used on a regular basis. Add aesthetics to existing moves. Replace Rollout for something else.
>>25668104
>give her moves that can be used on a regular basis
You can make good use out of all her moves except Rollout and Sing (and Rest in Smash 4, but it's one of her best in Melee). And I don't want them removing Rollout or Sing since that's some of the only moves directly inspired by Puff's moveset.
Hell, even Rollout gets used once in a blue moon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7nFcKIMLaQ
>>25668174
Can they at least make it Gyro Ball and give it the anime aesthetics?
>>25668212
Gyro Ball should have been one of Rollout's customs. Though there are a lot of things that should've happened as customs.
>>25668223
Tell me about it. Hell, they could just be different names for all I care. Call Shocking Skull Bash Wild Charge. Call Pound Blitz Double Slap. Call Glancing Counter Payback. It wouldn't hurt.
If custom moves were ever seriously considered, I'd like something similar to LAN mode, where they're all available.
>>25660882
>>25658869
>>25661295
>Sudowoodo confirmed for DLC.
>>25668030
The porn, anon.
It's aaaaaaaall about the porn.
>>25663861
They're not genies.
Kamis sit in clouds. Lakitut sits in cloud in Mario for the exact same reason and nobody calls him a fucking genie. Pokemon fans are retarded.
>>25657281
DELET THIS
>>25667256
>Not maining the Big G.
Hit me three, maybe four times and they're fucking splattered across a several kilometer radius coupled with super armor, sick spikes and more and then there's the buffs he's been getting like boosted damage and even less lag has been rad and if we're lucky in a few years he'll be the best in low tier, maybe even mid tier.
>>25667890
No one outside of Smash gives a shit about Jigglypuff anymore. It's just another random shitmon who most people wouldn't bother to waste a precious team slot on. Sylveon and Gardevoir are far more popular as a Fairy types anyway.
>>25668405
Fucking hell, I meant hit them but ya get my point.
>>25668405
You can have a slow heavyweight be good, you just need to give him the right tools. Give him Dark Fists and Dropkick and watch him kick ass.
>>25657688
What is he hatching for?
>>25667256
?
All of this is irrelevant to character faithfulness. All of these trends are broken in Smash.
Heavies tend to be slower with worse recoveries, but theres a ton of heavies that defy that. Yoshi, Cloud, Lucario, Captain Falcon all have quick frame data on their attacks and are heavy. ROB, Wario, Ryu and Bowser Jr. all have great recoveries.
Also the game does certainly tend towards speed as far as the metagame goes but A.) thats not an absolute, there are those that defy that and B.) thats more or less irrelevant when designing a character.
Those issues wouldn't stop them from having freedom to accurately represent pokemon. There's certain limitations, definitely, I mean I'm not expecting to pick Mewtwo and expect to be able to grab my opponents from anywhere on the screen, but having Charizard have a great recovery would be reasonable.
>>25668419
>No one outside of Smash gives a shit about Jigglypuff anymore.
And nobody's asking for more Jigglypuff representation outside of Smash, but Smash fans should take priority regarding what is or isn't in Smash.I say should because we all know Sakurai's the only one that gets what he wants.
>>25668738
I guess the issue is that they have to "balance" it somehow, but many characters just outright lack the tools to make up for the archetypes. Ike's supposed to be way faster, but they slowed him down to fit the archetype. I guess Charizard's supposed to fit the heavyweight mold from his days when he was with Ivysaur and Squirtle, but when it comes to making him his own character, they didn't compensate for the benefits the other two had.
Is Pokken___fun?
>>25668879
See, I actually often hear this in counter argument to my proposition, but it's relatively shallow. What you have to understand is, most balance comes from the micro elements of a character, not the larger ones.
A lot of these issues come from people over simplifying those elements. When you describe a character as "fast" thats both relative and could mean 1 of any several different things. Is it their movement speed? Their attack speed? If so, which attacks? Their tendency to link attacks together?
For instance, Ike moves slow and his startup on several of his moves is slow, but his entire neutral consists of attacks that link together extremely well leading to a barrage of attacks along with great micro positioning giving him a feel of a great footsies character.
We've seen characters defy this archetype, mainly because of the issue of having non specific categories. Cloud is fast, heavy, very strong, has amazing range and even a projectile. However, while good, he's not perfect, and its because his flaws are smaller spread throughout his design.
This is the crux of what I mean. Lets say you have Charizard who is as heavy as he is now, has a recovery that can reach from about as far as ROB's can but has no disjoint on the hitbox leading to it being unsafe, very quick movement speed and aerial speed to represent Charizard's good mobility, a fast neutral but very laggy and punishable kill moves, and generally medium ranged moves with the exception of flame based projectiles that only serve as a positional punish (such as Flamethrower).
What do you get? Well you get a character that you can vaguely describe as a fast heavyweight with good recovery and kill power. This is something that would canonically fit Charizard to the bill. But the smaller descrepencies make it balanced for a fighting game-- having a gimpable recovery and no kill confirms would restrict Charizard from being able to break into top tier, easy.
>>25669052
I suppose. Pokken really spoiled us with all of its touches. I wish all of the olderr characters in Smash were just rebuilt from the ground up, it's too late for them to just be tweaked in their current state through patches.
>>25669135
Yeah, unfortunately. Some characters have hope, I mean, they did a great job with Mewtwo. Went from this awkward middling character to one of the absolute fastest characters that can make kill conversions in a snapmy only issue with him being the lack of "grandiose" in his attacks, something that a purely visual flair could fix, but that's one of those autistic hyper-specific hopes so I'm not gonna complain, but most are more or less restricted to frame data changes.
>>25669178
What the hell kind of jab hits on Frame 11. Zelda's already slow, what the hell is that supposed to do.
>>25669252
Not gonna lie dude, Zelda kinda blows my fucking mind.
They've had 3 games to fix her shit one of which has had 15 patche updates, and theyve done nothing. I realized Sakurai makes some retarded choices sometimes, but in reality he's not complete shit, they demonstrate knowledge over the metagame as it evolves-- so why? Why is Zelda SUCH shit.
Ive done my fair share of bitching about Marth getting fucked, but man.. nobody, and I mean nobody has it as bad as Zelda mains.
>>25668030
>not wanting a fatter lugia
Chubbier Lugia is best Lugia
>>25669277
She needs to have some better zoning capabilities. Dormammu is what Zelda should be, mediocre at close range, but with good range on many attacks, fast teleports, stage control, and disjointed hitboxes. I don't even know what to call her archetype.
>>25661593
>>25661472
Sudowoodo
>>25669025
On scale from 1-10, how much do you enjoy Pokemon?
>>25669324
top belly
>>25669324
got more pics?
>>25669513
Don't have any more sorry. There's more on the internet somewhere
>>25662499
that doesn't make sense
only meleefags think it makes sense
>>25665160
>kawaii
>not lewd
Not that I don't love my favorite shitmon being featured, but why Diggersby Land?
Also...
>smash autism in this thread
disgusting, why aren't you complaining on a smash thread, is it because you'd get blown off?
>>25669052
>playing Smash seriously rather than with items on
>>25669837
It's a reference to Disney Land.
>>25669901
yeah but Disney isn't a big rabbit man, nor is he the mouse
but I'd love to live in this fantasy where Diggersby is the star mascot and not Pikachu, who is merely just part of the cast, like Mickey's Goofy
>>25669912
>the rabbit is the mascot with a mouse side character
funny
>>25669957
let it go anon
oswald is but a glimmer
>>25669988
Just imagine, in another universe, kids wear rabbit hats and eat rabbit pancakes at the Disney hotels. To think things could be different.
>>25669901
does the pun carry over to the japanese version though?
>>25662211
Bears and Cat Ferrets loving each other. That's just not right.
>>25667053
I think that particular Lugia is a statue.
