How do we weaken stall?
Item limits. Only one lefties, black sludge, eviolite, rocky helmet, etc. per team.
>>25651901
that's sound awful.
I'm glad OU doesn't have item clause bullshit.
>>25651882
Why?
It's the only time when actual skills affect the game.
Those skills being patience and calmness.
>>25651901
so exactly the same as battle spot?
Make Pokémon who run 120BP STAB attacks off of 160 base attack with an ability that makes them do 50% more damage.
Banning Shadow Tag already weakened it.
>>25651924
>>25651930
STALLFAGS GET OUT REEEEE
>>25651930
Thats not skill retard.
>>25651882
>Moves that do not cause direct damage are at -1 priority
>Substitute prevents all healing during time active and on turn destroyed
>substitutes are capped at 50 hp but still cost 25% to summon
Ability
Necro Aura - While this pokemon is out, whenever your opponent would be healed by anything, including items, they instead take damage equal to how much they should have been healed by.
Necro Spray
Dark | Special
30 BP | 100 Acc | 20PP
+1 Priority | Same effect as Necro Aura
>>25651901
>leftovers
>black sludge
>eviolite
>rocky helmet
>shed shell
>mega stone
Congratulations, you didn't fix anything.
If stall is taking too much time, just forfeit the game.
It's clear you were going to lose anyway.
>>25652053
That move is over powered if it stays attached until switch out. And why priority ? Adding to its op.
You can't make a move that works perfectly to do what you want.
I make an ability that when I put this Pokemon out it kills all 6 of their Pokemon.
>>25651930
Stall takes the least skill. You can make much more mistakes/plays with stall because your Pokemon are bulky enough to take it and your strategy is always the same regardless of what your opponent's team is. Unlike with an offensive or mixed team where you have to switch it up.
>>25652148
Taunt does exactly what I want.
>>25652148
this. whenever someone theorymons on /vp/ thye just make up whatever op shit they want
>>25652148
Its priority so if your opponent attempts a heal right then then they get the damage. Would be near usesless without it. And it's not overpowered or impressive at all as long as your opponent doesn't rely on stall.
>>25652178
Not always.
Treat items that stall teams usually run as consumable items with a limited amount of moves
>Leftovers can only be activated 5 times before being fully consumed
>Rocky Helmet can only be hit by attacks 3 times before the stones are broken/withered away. If hit with a Water or Grass type move, the rocks automatically erode away
>etcDon't really have an answer to Eviolite desu
>>25652188
>it's not overpowered it just completely shits on a whole playstyle
>>25651930
>pressing buttons in the order Smogon told me to is skill
kek
>>25652213
>What is Taunt
>>25652068
Kek. You're right, actually.
>>25652263
>What is Sableye-Mega
>>25652046
You are salty as fuck!
Play doubles.
>>25652326
>butthurt over a reasonable nerf
Don't project.
? ? ?
>>25651882
Why is Proto-Lyra here?
Only Quagsire is a Gen 4 Pokemon there.
>>25651882
Make the accuracy of any move with BP over 100 100 percent. If people could spam Fire Blast and Hydro Pump without miss hax stall would be completely absent as you could kill the mons faster with higher BP moves that are spammable.
>>25654854
Reasonable? Sub is worth 50 hp rather than the quantity it represents. That's unreasonable. I could handle the other nerfs, but the last doesn't make any sense even if it means more hp for some.
>>25652154
>always the same
Stall is already weak unless you play Smogon, and even if you do it's fair and balanced.
>>25651882
use xerneas duh lol
>>25651882
git gud
>>25654889
>Quagsire is a Gen 4 Pokemon
Play at level 50.
Level 100
252+ Atk Hitmonchan Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 294-348 (83.5 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Level 50
252+ Atk Hitmonchan Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 156-186 (86.1 - 102.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
It's a small boost, but it's enough to matter, I don't really understand why Smogon doesn't have its tiers play at 50.
>>25651882
You don't, you fucking grow a pair and adapt to fit the current meta, rather than wining about it like a moonfag or suggesting a change of rules to better suit you.
Pic unrelated.
Banning S-Tag was already a huge blow to stall.
Keeping Mega Sableye was probably the right call, as Stall probably wouldn't even be a viable playstyle with both Goth and Sableye gone.
Just just find a good balance team with 1 or 2 good stallbreakers. Taunt is always your friend and Mega Sableye usually crumbles to good offensive pressure, your run of the mill special wallbreaker does well against him.
>>25651882
>>25651882
Just give more mons access to Heal Block so it's a viable anti-stall strategy.
>>25651882
Use a stallbreaker. There are many.
>Mega Pidgeot
>Hoopa-U
>Manaphy
>Togekiss
>Heatran
>Tornadus-T
>Haxorus
etc
>>25652109
>>25654889
are you baiting?
that's kris, and quagsire is gen 2
there are a whole lot of stall breaking strategies but they aren't m-muh hyper offense so you dont care about them
It's funny how y'all friends argue whether pressing buttons in one order or another in a children's game takes skill or not.
>>25657506
>Pokemon doesn't involve skill
I love this meme.
>playing singles
>ever after the start of Gen V
And stall isn't the reason singles is the most braindead boring easiest format.
>only viable in a meme format because babies banned everything offensive
who cares?
I don't have problems with stall, it's heavily dependent on correct predictions and status moves. Using taunt, substitute or making the right prediction is usually enough, and once you kill one member of the team it leaves a huge gap and the rest falls.
It requires more skill to play than offense, i don't like stall but keldeo and landorus are way more cancerous than any stall blob.
>tfw most of your bros are wallbreakers
>>25651882
Hoopa Unbound
>>25652284
>what is mold breaker
>>25658695
>being #1 in a fanmade meta
Wow, it's literally nothing.
Well my first idea would be to use a wallbreaker, but Smogon banned all of them.
>>25658695
It's not a meme really. Pokemon is probably the worst designed competitive game ever to become popular.
It is entirely possible to be a skilled Pokemon player, but you do not need to be skilled to be good at it.
Pokemon is horribly designed because skill is such a minor part of what it takes to win (at a high level):
Not all Pokemon (nor even types) are equal, so picking a powerful team is more important than skill (An average player with a strong OU team can beat a very skilled player with an NU/RU team).
Then there is RNG:
Para procs, freeze procs, flinches, secondary effects (burn from scald), sleep turns, move accuracy, crits, min/max rolls, confusion proccing or not proccing, etc. This is an ABSURD amount of rng and luck for a supposedly competitive game, remember that game where you outplayed someone but they still won because of RNG? All those above mentioned elements detract from the skill involved in the game, because whether they happen to you or your opponents, you are removing the human element from the action.
Player skill comes third. Yes being a skilled player helps, but Pokemon is not a game of skill. It is a game designed to be played competitively by children who will not notice how shoddily designed its battle system is.
>>25658881
There's also a 3 time Pokemon world champion. The point is anyway is that it takes skill, hence why the same people continue to win (because they're the most skilled), doesn't matter if smogon is fanmade.
>>25658959
There's some luck involved, however it's mostly skill, hence why the same people continue to win and top, because they're the most skilled. Unlike Yugioh which is all luck, who never had a repeat world champion.
>>25658959
>if something has rng it can't be skill dominant
only scrubs say this
Fun fact: the winner of 2015 Worlds won both Japanese major tournaments and then the world championships as well, you cannot be that consistent in a game that's not dominated by skill
>>25659257
>you cannot be that consistent in a game that's not dominated by skill
you can win 3 64-man dice-rolling tournaments in a row if you get luckier than the other guy enough times
>>25651882
POWER CREEP
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>>25659284
>"lol its all luck"
I feel like this is said by the faggots who get butt-hurt over getting haxed on.
>>25652211
>Don't really have an answer to Eviolite desu
Knock off
>>25656988
Stall isn't real in VCG, and if that happened smogon would just ban everyone with heal block
>>25658722
>protect, fake out, follow me: the experience
>not brain dead
>>25654889
You're retarded.
I don't really understand why people get so pissed about stall.
It's not like it's op, the worse that can happen is that you take longer to win.
And it's piss easy to play against, so you can just start another game and answer the stall between turns.
>>25651957
THE HYPER OFFENSE WILL RISE
>>25651930
I bet you think breeding for IVs takes skill too.
