>10/10 design
>Strong enough to be viable to use
>But not too strong as to become an overused shitters favorite
>Single handily saved the entire bug type in gen 2
Best cross-gen to date
>>25619624
>best cross-gen
>isn't this mon
>>25619661
>literally 'Edge, the Pokémon'
Try harder faggot
>>25619605
>Single handily saved the entire bug type in gen 2
It doesnt even learn any good bug move until like level 70 or sth
It's also just my mom's beetle
>>25619677
Nah, Bisharp has more edges. He's like a walking cutlery set.
>>25619677
>edge
nice buzzword anon
>>25619605
It's too blue
It could've used another color imo
>>25619684
>buzzword
nice meme anon
>>25619774
>meme
nice choice of words anon
>>25619781
Thanks, dude
>>25619809
no problem
>>25619605
>It's good, but not that good.
Did you proofread your post before you posted?
>>25619832
Let's see your choice anon
>>25619842
It's not about my favorite. I'm just pointing out that he contradicted himself.
>>25619605
The perfect Pokemon.
>>25619852
good
but not too good
Flygon
It's amazing.
It's got two great abilities, one of them being a signature ability.
There's so much you can do with it.
It's got a great design, smooth and adorable. A muted color palette offset by small spots of saturated color.
It's also got bulk, but it's not a larder like Hariyama.
And it's just the most damn lovable pokemon ever.
I didn't say it's name, but its face popped into your head, didn't it?
>>25619876
I'd also like to point out one of his reasons for it being perfect was that "It's not these peoples' favorite"
>>25620005
Are you still in middle school? Because you need some mother fucking reading comprehension skills.
>>25620034
OP, please go.
>>25619861
>the delusion
>>25619915
It's not an animal, humanoid, object with eyes, or fat bipedal kaiju. That's what makes it stand out.
>>25619915
Puctures aren't loading for me. It's Bronzong, right?
>>25619661
My Nigga.
You hyped for weavile action today/tomorrow?
>>25619661
He's cool, but not a nice as Togekiss. Or Scizor. Or Slowking. But he's up there.
>>25620005
It's more about it not being another Garchomp that's on every other team you faggot
>>25620101
no it's uh keldeo
>>25620116
mah nigga, yees
>>25620133
Keldeo doesn't have a signature ability.
>>25619816
adios.
>>25619677
>not embracing the edge and wrecking shit with Coldsteel the Weasel
When did you realize you hated fun?
>>25619605
Donphan.
>>25619661
>that piss disgusting, over-saturated .gif
another bugbro reporting in
>>25619677
Heracross is the most moralfag pokemon there ois
>>25620413
Volcarona is so fucking great. The design, typing, concept, everything is perfect.
>>25620524
and such CUTE!!
>>25620542
the best thing pokemon does is make cute the baddest motherfucker in the room
>>25619605
Find something wrong with this qt
>>25620093
Why no love, though?
>unique, good offensive typing
>Dry Skin
>silly but strong and generally cool looking design
fight me
>>25620581
powerful art tho
>>25620595
Nothing, its cry in X/Y isf u c k i n g o v e r p o w e r e d
>>25620595
Its face is a target.
>>25620621
Too fast, avoids shit.
Heracross is overhyped overrated normie shit
>>25620066
he was right up to when he started talking about that mega. heracross is really fucking solid. Also was one of ash's best pokemon in the anime.
>>25620638
But it's still a target.
>>25620614
Toxicroak is badass yo. He's waiting for the day GF is no longer retarded and makes Water weak to Poison.
>>25620652
>normie
I don't think I've ever seen a heracross on a mainstream team ever. scizor is much more popular. I also haven't seen it on a casual pokemon LPer ever.
It's a shame that M-Banette is so mediocre competitively.
>>25620684
Look up heracross on google trends and compare it to other bug or fighting types not named lucario or blaziken. You'll see what i mean
>>25620653
>not liking based bug-O
I fucking love me some Scizor.
Heracross is fantastic too, though.
Solid poke, easy to like.
Also, the first example for a lot of kids of
>Blue
>Blue means weak to electricity
> Oh shiiiiiiiiit
>>25620742
ok but I don't see how you could call it over rated. it's a incredibly solid pokemon. and the fucking op said it was good but not too good.
>>25620751
are you talking about mega heracross? because he fucking looks awful, mega beedrill and mega pincer look way better.
>>25620684
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fg%2F122pkx78%2C%20%2Fg%2F121lyt91%2C%20%2Fg%2F121y9vyy%2C%20%2Fg%2F122hp9mx&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B4
Tell me that isn't normie shit
>>25620801
The design grew on me.
>>25619605
I'm so excited because I get to be the one to say he will not disrupt your pots and/or pans.
>>25620825
>my taste turned to shit
>>25620812
Removed Machamp because you are dumb as fuck and added Scizor, which is the green line.
>>25620822
Best crossgen evo.
Best buge.
>>25620837
Heracross is a fighting type
The fact that it outshines an iconic gen 1 mom proves its popularity, dumbfuck
>>25620831
I'm just saying I used to fucking hate it but now I kinda appreciate it.Mega Pinsir is much better looking mega tho
>>25620812
would you call infernape normie shit?
>>25620742
>this pokemon is normie shit.
>ignore these 2 pokemon that are actually normie shit
>because this bug pokemon with a fraction of their searchs is the real normie shit.
>>25619605
I agree, too bad the mega is one of the worst ever made.
I love any bulky pokemon, but Vaporeon is the best.
>>25620098
My nigga
>>25620852
Close. Heracross still has more hits than Infernape so that still makes it more mainstream even if ape wasnt
>>25620846
Mega Heracross is still ass
>>25620845
>Iconic
I don't think you know what that means.
>>25620855
>>ignore these 2 pokemon that are actually normie shit
The point of ignoring lucario and blaziken is that almost all other pokemom bar charizard pikachu and gardevoir are going to look obscure beside them. To find out which mons are next in line to being normie tier, you compare with other pokemon
>>25620845
machamp was never an iconic anything.
>>25620880
Oh i do. And i used it right. Why do you think it appears on most fighting type leaders and elite four teams, has a gen 5 counterpart, featured in furious fists and is in pokken? It's iconic but not massively popular
>>25620892
See >>25620902
In fact a lot of heracross' stat spread is based on machamp with just two stat focus changed a bit iirc
>>25620902
An iconic mon is Charizard, Pikachu, Eevee, Abra, and Mewtwo are Iconic. You listed a somewhat well known Pokemon and nothing more.
>>25620902
I'm pretty sure half of all fighting types are near to, or higher then machamp.
>>25620902
That's...not correct. At all.
>>25619915
>worst pseudo to date
>shitty ass bulk
>one ability is ok, other is shit (signature)
>absolutely ruined any potential of a good design that it's prevos had estabilished
Goodra might just be my most hated Pokémon ever.
>>25620917
>>25620923
>>25620929
Iconic fighting type. This shouldnt be hard to understand. It's one of the easily recognizable faces of the type
>People dislike based M-Heracross
>>25620980
the most iconic fighting type is blazeken or lucario.
>>25620998
Welp here come the mess
>>25620980
Mankey is more iconic than Machamp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fim9jXNHjd8
Here, you could use this.
>>25621008
it's not up for discussion. they're the most popular. no matter how many of us dislike it.
>>25620980
List of fighting types more recognizable than Machamp:
The Hitmon line.
The Mankey Line
The Lucario Line
The Mienshao Line
The Blaziken line
>>25619605
Heracross is probably my favourite pokemon besides Swampert. It's solid as fuck.
>>25619605
fletchling used aerial ace
>>25621101
The Hitmons, Mankey line, and Mienshao line are all less recognizable / popular than Machamp, objectively speaking.
>>25621158
>objective
You are also using that word wrong.
Objective is factual.
>>25621113
>tfw back in the day before I knew about pokemon.
>play Gold
>catch heracross.
>go to next gym, forget which exactly
>get blown out till heracross comes out.
>heracross blows out the gym leader
>>25621176
I'm speaking factually. All the most popular / recognizable Fighting-type Pokemon got into Pokken.
>>25621195
post valid sources then?
>>25621203
Source: Machamp got in, the Hitmons, Mankey line, and Mienshao line did not.
Machamp also has his own official webpage.
http://www.pokemon.jp/special/kairiky_gym/
>>25621223
means nothing. birdie got in over urien in vanilla street fighter 5. also got in over Q and oro. both more popular. the reason he is in is because he can have a different move set from other fighting types in the game. but you wouldn't know that because you're retarded.
>>25621256
You have yet to provide any evidence of your own assertion. I'm waiting.
>>25619688
No, it doesn't need another color.
>>25621267
you present the claim first, burden of proof is on you. post those analytics compared to >>25621101
>>25621277
I'm not >>25620902 , if that's what you're thinking. I was responding to your assertion. Blaziken and Lucario are both obviously and objectively the most popular fighting-type Pokemon, but I fail to see how Mienshao or the Mankey line even come close. The Hitmon line is the only close contender you've listed barring the aforementioned Blaziken/Lucario.
>>25621267
You have yet to provide any substantial evidence of your own. This is"If there are ugly people, then god doesn't exist and I am the smartest" logic from family guy. You need to step up your game. You need to provide your evidence that "Machamp got in because he's the most powerful."
And you know what? Even following your own logic, you are wrong. Heracross is far more popular thanks to stats posted in this thread, and I don't see Heracross in here. Even followingyour own logic, you are wrong.
>>25621299
>"Machamp got in because he's the most powerful."
Point out where I said this.
>>25621298
I'm not >>25621101 either. machamp is barely used by anyone anymore. something that is barely used is the exact opposite of popular or iconic.
>>25621312
I meant popular.
>>25620782
the only shiny I actually came across in gen II
cmon you already know
>>25621320
Nobody uses PIkachu.
>>25619688
>not liking COBALT BLUE FINISH
Shaking my pots and pans at you, anon.
>>25621474
>literally just a giant green weasel with fire on its neck
>>25621474
Not even close.
>>25621474
My fucking nigga.
>>25621474
Literally a furry, wingless Charizard. Typhlosion is objectively the worst fire starter of all time.
>>25620595
Sneaky Pebbles destroy it.
>>25621599
No one cares about Fruity Pebbles.
>2016
>still not liking the tongue scarf
>>25621565
This. Everything about it is half-assed, from its design to its stats.
this thing is a beast
>>25619605
It's a good scarf with moxie.
>>25619605
ehhhhhhhh...
Name a more adorable legendaryyou can't
>>25621636
Fuck off with you're Narotoad with Special Deviant Art OC forme
>>25621663
this is the most original opinions ever. besides typhlosion and charizard have the same stats so you can suck one tonight
Move over boys
>>25621827
kek
>>25620652
>heracross
>overhyped
>overrated
>normie shit
Choose one.
>>25620842
>Forretress
>cross gen evo
>>25620859
Outclasses by Alomomola
>>25620973
Goomy starts out as a tiny blob. What the hell did you even expect it to evolve into? A larger blob?
>>25620973
This, This all the fucking way
Fuck that furbait animu piece of shit.
It's a disgrace of a Dragon.
>>25620742
>I DON'T LIKE THING BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THING
This is how retarded you sound.
>>25621906
Vaporeon can actually do damage.
>>25620831
>muh opinions
>>25621829
I think Typhlosion may be accused of being underdesigned. It looks like a fucking melted Twinkie, or like someone drew some random dots and connected them together and made an animal shape out of them, with a generic beast face sewed on, with a blue strip to make it look somewhat less blank. And some neck fire. Really, Typhlosion just oozes "we didn't even fucking try".
>>25620980
>iconic fighting type
>not lucario or hitmonchan
I'd say machamp is a classic fighting pokemon, and is a *pure* representation of what a fighting pokemon should be, but not an icon.
Machamp is to fighting as golem is to rock.
>>25621919
I didn't know what the fuck to expect from Goomy, but Sliggoo set up some expectations which Goodra promptly let down. Don't tell me you weren't expecting some kind of snail monster.
>>25621822
Mew.
>>25622132
tfw I forgot golem existed.
>>25622146
When I first saw Goomy, I thought "If this thing's a fuckin' Dragon, it's probably gonna evolve into something that actually looks like a Dragon."
>>25619605
>>25620542
>>25620595
>>25620762
>>25620822
>>25620846
>4x weakness
>objectively perfect
>ever
>>25622222
QUINTS! Also, the best pokemon is this guy
>>25622408
I'd be down for a mega were he gets 2 big claws
>>25622222
>Bisharp
>Char-Y
>Ferrothorn
>Giscor
>Heatran
>Landorus
>Scizor
>Talonflame
>implying any of these are bad
yea na fuck off cunt
>>25622222
nice quints
>>25622222
nice quits, bruv.
And nobody can top the master defense.
>>25622574
My nigga.
I picked Blue/LeafGreen but always made sure to pester my bro to trade me a Growlithe
>>25619661
weavile is the best cat pokemon
>>25623004
Weavile is a weasel.
>>25622077
a simple design doesnt always classify as garbage, my friend
>>25621829
That's exactly why it'd half-assed, moron. They just took Charizard's stats and slapped it onto a fatter, uglier Quilava.
>>25623038
yeah, but it looks like a kitty
>>25623049
Not the same guy, but Typhlosion is a garbage design because it's just a bigger Quilava. Cyndaquil to Quilava at least showed some change, with body shape and head shape, but keeping the general design intact. Typhlosion is just the same design but gorged on McDonald's for a week.
>>25623066
>"it only gets bigger!"
>Going from quad to bipedal stance
>flame spots change places
>>25620614
Toxicroak is my fave mon
>>25623151
All the frog pokemon are greatexcept poliwrath, it doesn't even look like a frog
>>25623168
polywrath is a tadpole that decided to get ripped instead of grow up into a frog
my dream is an all-frog team
already got 4 mons, just two more needed (one if Polywrath is included)
>>25623182
venusaur is a bit of a stretch, but gets you to 6
>>25623200
more of a dinosaur looking thing
>>25621906
Are you literally retarded
>>25623207
I think it looks like a dinosaur, but it has a lot of toadlike features.
>>25620998
>>25620998
>>25621009
>>25621029
>>25621101
>>25621176
>>25621203
Iconic doesnt just mean popular. It also means "(arche)typical" or "characteristic"
Machamp satisfies the secondary meaning of the term
>>25623038
it learns assist (cat's paw in japan) and the japanese name for sneasel is the sound a cat makes
>>25621277
>analytics
Question for you. Here are three pokemon less popular than Heracross in terms of search terms. Can you honestly say without hesitation that none of these three are memorable to the public?
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fg%2F12bfg2tx0%2C%20%2Fg%2F121sxkpn%2C%20%2Fg%2F122pkx78%2C%20%2Fm%2F01v0lr&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B4
>>25620684
>>25620837
>>25620855
One second heracross isnt popular and isnt a normie
>>25620917
>>25620923
>>25621299
>Heracross is far more popular
Suddenly popular and normie is heracross
>>25619688
People like you are the reason we get over designed pieces of shit
>>25621858
>that smug face
Much better than serperior, who is just oddly proportioned shit
>>25620290
How are you today
The perfect bro.
>>25620614
Alright I wasn't going to post him but now that you have I kinda have to agreee
>>25624646
Emboar a fun. Shame he can't take a hit.
>>25624988
When I was mildly into competitive a few years ago I gave him a Quick Claw and hoped for the best.
>>25620782
He's the reason I don't typically pick totodile in gen II
>Objective
Ugh, good way to throw a thread down the shitter. Anyways, in my singular opinion:
-Great typing
-Great concept
-Great design
-Powerful but (like Heracross) not too OP.
Though I wouldn't be lying if I said I want Hydreigon to be more powerful. So here's hoping for a Mega and some move pool changes in Sun/Moon, like giving it Nasty Plot and some more damaging moves (Aura sphere)
>>25620098
It has a cool design. But I hate pseudos. Oh look, the Pokemon with hyper inflated stats is popular, wonderful work design team.
>>25625299
You called?
I'm a dinosaur MADE OF METAL
FUCK YOU
>>25623349
so does every fighting type except maybe heracross.
>>25624063
of course heracross is more popular than fucking machamp. but isn't nearly as popular as many other staples in competitive.
>>25625417
>mfw 90% of aggron fanart is just a trace of the official art pose
I'm surprised eelektross hasn't been mentioned yet.
>>25621320
Machamp is higher tier than all the hitmons, primape, and in the same tier meinshao and heracross.
>>25619624
Came here to post that.
>>25620413
>>25620542
>>25620619
That too.
>>25620823
Flygon's awesome.
>>25620859
Bulky water types are awesome. Also no mention of Milotic yet. For shame. Awoo~
>>25626408
Eelektross needs some love. The insane movepool it has coupled with no weakness has taken its toll on the stats.
>>25621919
>What the hell did you even expect it to evolve into?
After Sliggoo, something like this.
>>25626514
Awoo~
>>25621919
Not Goodra.
People like to shit on him but I've grown to really love the design.
Objectively perfect in every way.
>Signature move is learned early and is incredibly versatile.
>Perfect movepool and stat distribution, making it one of the best competitively, doesn't even need a mega to get its shit together.
>Absolutely based design.
Why aren't you using Tentaquil?
The perfect pokemon is Porygon-Z or the dragon fug
>>25626730
>Quilposting
>on MY /vp/
Gorewardyourselfcoolguy.
Why is poliwhirl perfect?
>>25623066
>>25623054
>>25623100 and also his cry is different.
You fail
>>25621474
literally charizard 2
>>25626909
mega charizard is literally charizard 2 you idiot
>>25626800
Poliwhirl is a pretty cool guy
>>25626553
the shell is fine but that face looks fucking hideous
>>25625911
No. Archetype means a basis or standard. Being a representative doesnt simply mean being part of the group. It means you embody the concept of your type.
Heracross, Conkeldurr and Pangoro all have their stat distros derived from Machamp
Like said earlier, it is also a staple fighting type, present in all generations, used by majority of fighting type specialists and featured prominently in pokken and fighting type events like the furious fists commercial
Usage wise in smogon, it is on the same tier as heracross and mienshao and above the hitmons
>>25627309
It looks much better than the actual Goodras face
>>25621882
he's talking about Tangrowth dumbass
>>25621525
>>25621550
>>25621565
>>25626909
>/vp/ suddenly hates Typhlosion
What happened?
>>25627859
The Sinnohfags happend
>>25622488
Crabhammer hits twice
>>25619677
pls
Every iteration of this thread, I post my favorite, and no one has ever shat on it. I think that's a fair notch for it being universally great.
>>25626553
has a pretty good typing, disgustingly good stats, and is one of the best "real" tanks in the game.
>>25627309
It's a fucking snail dragon anon, did you want it to look kawaii uguu?
>>25619677
Not enough edges for that.
>>25620837
You are skewing the data by selecting a specific month on a data that spans years. look at the fucking average and you will see that heracross is not far behind scizor, which you consider "normie shit", and way above a gen 1 pokemon like Pinsir
>>25619605
hello
Nidoking is one of the best designed Pokémon, not even a big fan of the guy, but you cant deny that his moves, stats and shiny are great.
where did the "gen 6 dragonite is such a letdown, i expected something else after sliggoo" meme come from
sliggoo is more cutesy than goomy and it has fucking feminine eyelashes
expecting it to evolve into something big and intimidating was just plain silly
>>25626553
If it looked like that, Goodra would EASILY be my most favorite pokemon of all time as opposed to one of my least.
Sliggoo was literally ruined.
>>25629238
We were expecting a pokemon with a better design than "purple dragonite" and a more interesting typing than pure dragon
>>25629238
It's not really even that.
It doesn't even resemble a mollusk at all.
