So will Sun and Moon have updated graphics? Surely they won't do an entire overhaul again. I'm thinking they'll use the same models as X and Y with updated animations.
>>25617938
They'll probably do something that can take advantage of the n3DS' hardware but keep it optimized for the regular 3DS
I hope they would also redo some models as well. I love the look of shiny Delphox but it's model is fucking atrocious for me to use.
>>25618083
>>25617938
The XY models have so many fucking polygons it isn't even funny. They were designed for multi-generation use. They're not doing a model overhaul anytime soon.
>>25617938
I hope they make the color palettes richer
>>25617938
>So will Sun and Moon have updated graphics?
No because it's still gen 6.
>>25618159
I'm with you, but it's unlikely. They're attempting to make the models look like Sugimori art.
>>25617969
>Game Freak
>Optimizing something
>>25618214
>optimizing
RIP Iwata
>>25618167
Here's your reply. NIce bait.
Gen VII mon will likely be the only new models. Maybe a few tweaks here and there but I doubt they'd devote much time to older models until we get new hardware.
>>25618222
Yes. We get it. Iwata worked on GSC. I wish you fags would stop bringing it up every fucking chance you get.
>>25618167
kill yourself
>>25617938
>implying Gen 7 won't use hand drawn art
>>25618257
Eyyy nigger don't need to get butthurt over the fact I brought up Iwata just because he was responsible for the only optimizing Gamefreak ever did.
Both overworld and battle will look the same. They never change graphics/aesthetic drastically within the same gen.
>>25617938
They've improved the graphics with every generation, I don't see why they wouldn't improve it with Sun and Moon considering it's 99.9% confirmed to be Gen 7.
>>25617938
>I'm thinking they'll use the same models as X and Y with updated animations
Not unless they fix up those models.
The game would crash if they tried.
>>25618309
bait
I can't wait for gen 7 fags to get BTFO when CoroCoro leaks screenshots and it looks the same as XYORAS
>>25618322
>They've improved the graphics with every generation
Gen 2 added color but removed most of the detail.
Gen 3 was a big improvement
Gen 4 dropped the ball hard by dropping things to 30fps and shitty pseudo 3d
Gen 5 was a slight improvement over gen 4 but had a lot of life in those sprites
Gen 6 was alright but dropped the ball hard with the models and animations
Anyway to answer your question, the models were made to be reused but the system literally can't handle it. You're most likely just getting an improved overworld but the battles are the same shit.
>>25618383
It will look the same (or at least similar), but it is DEFINITELY Gen 7 you faggot.
![rbH2HCC[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/k9522QE.png "rbH2HCC[1].png")
Looks the same as XY and ORAS to me...
![image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AsZMJ79.jpg "image[1].jpg")
>>25618427
Pre-emptive damage control I see. Can't wait for you to get BTFO when it's confirmed gen 6.
Even the first BW screenshots immediately showed it as a significant leap from gen 4 despite being on the same system.
REMOVE SKY BATTLES
>>25618475
just being curious, when did the first screens got revealed?
>>25618257
>Gen III lost mechanics because they were retarded with the GBA
>Gen IV SLOOOW
>Gen V is the only generation not on an entirely new system and is just a better Gen IV for it
>Gen VI is a total trainwreck
Nintendo should get their hands dirty with Pokemon more often but Game Freak were such autistic fuckwits that they created TPCi just so Nintendo can't get them to work harder
>>25618509
A few days after the games got announced/the logos got revealed.
>>25618475
Yeah, okay friendo. I love how the 6.5 fags have to go on the offensive whenever an S&M thread is posted.
Keep ignoring common sense.
They might be doing completely different models or at least the hi-res models that weren't decompressed with better animation, making them also move around while still and attack instead of just switching the screen or a white "slash".
They will also most likely fix the fps issues the last engine was having. Really they cant keep that shitty engine, it wasn't every good. 3d is a different beast and they will have to work it out until they get it right.
All the models had weird animations like flying pokemon including charizard and were very lifeless. Pokemon stadium actually did it better. If they can make the pokemon move around a bit more it would look much better.
>>25618543
>Keep ignoring common sense.
I am using common sense. Giratina's powered up forme was in the same gen Giratina debuted. Kyurem's powered up forme was in the same gen Kyurem debuted. The same will happen with Zygarde. Platinum was a rehash, BW2 was a set of sequels with different places in the region and different protags, now Sun/Moon will probably be an indirect sequel taking place in an entirely different region.
The fact that they're revealing so little for such a long period after the game announcement alone makes me suspicious. This is exactly what they did with ORAS.
>>25618515
>Gen III lost mechanics because they were retarded with the GBA
This is the only one that can be justified because they created every asset from scratch that gen as well as rehauling the game and making an actual story as well as more side content than the previous two generations.
In fact the only things that were lost were the gimmicky shit.
I'm waiting for the NX too FINALLY go pokemon world online with servers. Why the fuck haven't they done it yet is beyond me. It would sell like crack if you could start in a town of your choice, and based on your pokemon's level you automatically be balanced to that server. A server with 100 players or more. It can be done if they really want to and I think the NX will.
>>25618579
>They might be doing completely different models
They were designed to be reused anon. Throw that notion out right now.
>>25618475
>Thinking graphics determines whether or not there's a new gen
>Being this retarded
>>25618612
>Pokemon MMO
Cancer meme
>>25618614
The models are not really the problem, it was the animations and the compression of the models. on the computer I'm sure they look ten times better.
>>25618612
Because a single Version would sell like shit and console pokemon games never do well.
>>25618629
It would just be pokemon but with every world and with real people.. you could actually see the pokemon in grass and in the world.
>>25618631
The models are the reason why they can't have good animations due to the high poly count anon.
>>25618621
Every single gen so far has had an updated aesthetic and graphics from its predecessor. If Sun/Moon's are the same as XY/ORAS, that will be a very clear sign it's gen 6.
>>25618633
I'm pretty sure it would sell a lot and it would boost NX sales for sure.
>>25618642
Yeah but if they some how refine the engine a bit maybe they can fine a good balance because really, Y and ruby's beta engine was garbo. And now that they had the time to work on it, maybe we will actually see more than 80 pokemon WITH a good 3d engine.
You know I would really go and buy the new 3ds if it meant having 20 fucking fps and decompressed models with actual fucking animation. Its sad that a nintendo 64 pokemon game runs and plays ten times better still.
>>25618657
>pokemon console games
>selling well
People only care about the handheld versions and an MMO style would remove all of the parts people like about pokemon.
>>25618702
It wouldn't be a fucking mmo... How the fuck would that even work.
You fucking see a real trannier, and fucking battle him.
thats what im talking about.
>>25618698
You don't understand, the 3DS system literally can't handle the large poly count of the pokemon.
Pokemon like Volcanion and Xerneas have a count of at least 14,000 and the 3d essentially doubles that.
They would have to redo nearly every model to fix this.
>>25618711
>You fucking see a real trannier, and fucking battle him.
Literally an MMO retard.
Anyway shit like that has already been done while retaining the best parts of pokemon, it's called the PSS.
>>25618711
Like... an MMO?
>>25618745
Its still a jrpg gameplay wise but with real tranniers in the world and real pokemon, real gym leaders and the whole world to explore. I'm sure game freak will finally do a game with every region one day.
>>25618728
Well then they completely fucked up and might actually be making new models in some form.
>>25618596
Notice the lack of third versions/sequels/remakes.
>>25618781
I'd like to point out we haven't had a third version for the main series since 2008
>>25618781
Yes because those are the most significant releases and they're showing the timeline of the franchise. It's not a requirement that they show every. fucking. game to get the point across.
>>25618596
I'm sure part of the reason they're waiting to reveal anything is to not only build hype, but also because they revealed 80% of the content of XY and ORAS prior to release and fans were disappointed.
>>25618769
So an MMO.
The NX IS a handheld and the next system for both. the 3ds is gonna be discontinued. game freak's next game will be on the NX. Nintendo has far to much to ride on, they need gamefreak.
>>25618650
Gen two says hi.
>>25618825
What, all the sprites were remade.
>>25618816
Not revealing anything right away doesn't mean they're not going to spill all their shit before release. It's called pacing. XY had a good amount of info on day 1 to get people hyped but they didn't show much else except Sylveon and Mewtwo until all the way in May. Meanwhile ORAS waited TWO months after its reveal to show anything (like these games are doing) and it spoiled even more than XY did.
>>25618825
It was gen 1.5 for me, so fuck off!
>>25618824
Keeping in mind that Ninty has several titles of their own and that their handheld systems have had great third party support
The 3DS was also profitable before pokemon.
>>25618800
Anon also mentioned sequels and remakes.
>>25618809
Occam's razor. A new generation makes the most sense.
>>25618852
Occam's razor. The same generation makes the most sense.
>>25617938
>Updated animations
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
They reused Stadium 1 animations up to Battle Revolution.
I fucking bet the shitty engine they used this generation will still lag on battles, screencap this post, this generation has been the worst one technically wise, with the amount of money they make out of pokemon I don't get why they do this stupid shit.
>>25618858
Based on the timeline, one would infer a new generation, not an add-on generation.
>>25618849
Well since it's the next handheld/console...
What the fuck is gamefreak gonna make it on.
The fucking NX.
This is actually a good thing. better everything pretty much.plus all the 3rd party support the 3ds handhels get will be on the nx. Its actually a pretty smart move.
>>25618852
>A new generation makes the most sense.
Occam's Razor would lead to a game with every region anon. What with the "it all comes together" tagline and only showing the first games that introduced a new region.
>>25618866
Other way around. The timeline lines up with another gen 6 game considering Zygarde's formes haven't been in any games yet.
>>25618865
But that game actually worked..
This fucking engine is literal trash and they know it.
>>25618865
You feeling ok kid?
>>25618870
We still know nothing about the NX you know anon. It could be anything.
>>25618891
Oh yeah, home console games were GREAT tech wise, but animations were recycled to death on later games.
Attack animations topped on Colosseum/XD then went downfall from there.
>>25618906
We know from copy right blue prints that its a portable system hybrid.
>>25618922
I JUST WANT A STADIUM 4/COLOSSEUM 2 GAME!
HOW HARD CAN THAT BE NINTENDO?!
>>25618935
HOW HARD IS TO MAKE A REAL SCALE POKEMON GAME AGAIN NINTENDO?
IM TIRED OF YOUR CARTONIZED BULLSHIT
>>25618890
Or -- crazy idea -- Zygrde might feature in the new games despite them being a new generation.
>>25618953
>>25618928
We don't have those anon, they're fake just like everything else floating on the internet about the NX.
>>25618881
>logic
>reasoning
>>25618963
Or -- crazy idea -- it'll just be like the previous three gens where the third legendary starred in a game of the same generation.
>>25618935
>>25618953
Keep crying mang, i like it.
>>25618963
Nah, that would be too much. I dont believe you
>>25618974
>>25618989
High quality animations and ost never again.
>>25618979
>showing the first games that showcased a new region each time
>"it all comes together"
Simplest solution anon.
>>25618984
M-m-muh patterns
>>25619002
>>25618979
>not knowing what Occam's Razor is
>>25619020
Last one, gotta go
>>25618475
>implying gen 5 didn't look worse than gen 4
It would have looked better if they didn't try to have that awkward dynamic camera. It doesn't work with low res DS sprites.
>>25619022
>implying the most simple answer is to include all 6 regions
Look at the timeline. Seven years, seven gens.
>>25619020
that final greevil battle is such horseshit
>>25618881
Games containing all regions could still be a new generation.
>>25619046
>Seven years, seven gens.
You what?
Do you think each game is set a year apart?
>>25619017
Except the gen 7 fags are doing the exact same thing by posting that image in the timeline.
>>25619082
What Anon was talking about is that they listed seven different years and each year was the start of a new Gen
For what purpose would showing the other games serve if they didn't start a new generation?
>>25619095
>it all comes together
You people seem to forget that part.
>>25617938
It would be nice for all mons to have three attack animations and an idle animation like all ORAS megas, they give them a little more personality.
>>25619136
Explain what purpose a game with Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos all in one installment would manage to accomplish when Gen II shows how difficult it is to have a proper level curve that allows for having two whole regions in one game alone
There's a reason only Johto pulled that off, when your Pokemon only go up to level 100 you can't have more than one region unless you intentionally reboot yourself like Ash
>>25618285
This whole post screams underage
>>25619185
>Explain what purpose a game with Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos all in one installment would manage to accomplish
A celebration of the entire series in line with the 20th anniversary.
Also you could keep that scaling if the game only allows a brief stay during the main game.
>>25619236
Then what's the point of visiting them at all if you aren't exploring the regions to their fullest potential?
That idea you're suggesting doesn't make a logical main series game in the slightest, anniversary or not. It sounds more like a side game equal to Battle Revolution, and that type of game wasn't shown in the direct
Why are we to assume the anniversary game would be so drastically different from the previous installments shown off? You're comparing one line to a series of progression that's been going on for 20 years and trying to say your Devil's Advocate is Occam's Razor
>>25619236
Nah, i dont see it viable, and i was in favor of that type of games 10 years ago.
>>25619236
There's no viable way to implement that without having a completely fucked level curve, utterly empty regions and a barely intelligible story.
Holy fuck guys the game clearly has better graphics.
Now as for their 3d models and battle frame rate I have no idea.
>>25619196
nice buzzword m8
>>25618596
Or, you know, it can be saved for a post game. I highly doubt these Gen VII games are going to solely focus on Zygrade and that people, let alone kids, are wanting to dive again into Kalos' focal points that debuted 3 years ago
>>25619385
Thats concept art desu.
Also Truck fast travel confirmed to go to the Slaking Motel to interact with street hookers
>>25619417
>and that people, let alone kids, are wanting to dive again into Kalos' focal points that debuted 3 years ago
You mean like they did with every third game?
>>25619385
That's concept art you dingus
But I'm sure they'll have touched up the models and animations since it's a new gen
>>25619385
That's just art dumbass
>>25619417
>Or, you know, it can be saved for a post game
I don't see how this is mutually exclusive with it being gen 6. You couldn't get Kyurem in BW2 until post-game either.
>>25619273
I actually tossed out an idea for a fan game that someone was working on (which didn't pan out obviously) for some sort of Pokemon World Championship circuit that could be part of the story, with the general premise being the MC traveling to the various regions to challenge the top 3 trainers/gyms of that particular region to total out to 18 badges, allowing for one gym of every type, showcasing the most popular of each one or introducing a couple of new gym leaders to spice things up. Perhaps not traveling the whole region for each, but at least enough of it to visit 3 gyms.
Top that off with a World Tournament where you work your way up a randomized bracket of past Elite Four members and Champions to claim the title of World Champion. Post game would allow you to visit the rest of the regions and challenge/rematch all of the gym leaders at a high level for a challenging fight. No big post game story, just a big, open sandbox pokemon world to visit and challenge gyms/trainers, see the sights, snag some regional exclusives/legends and have fun.
It would certainly be a special title and outside the norm for the series, but nothing too crazy. The worst you'd have to worry about would be level scaling to prevent things from getting too fast-paced with 18 gyms, not to mention if they toss in a side plot. I'd be fine with a simple "Challenge everything, become World Champ" game. It need not be a save the world scenario.
>>25618147
They don't need a full model overhaul, just a tune-up on some of the more fucked up ones. Delphox is a great example, because it looks dumpy compared to the artwork of it. Some others don't need as much work, but could do with a little adjustment here or there to make them look less awkward. There are some models that are spot on and look fantastic, but there are enough that merit at least a quick revisit to give them a bit of a facelift, and that's not asking them to do too much.
>>25619459
We haven't had a third game since 2008
These games are raising what's essentially a whole new generation since Platinum who'll probably never have experienced a third version before
>>25619558
Black and White 2 fall into the third game category as much as you want to deny it, they played the exact same role as an expansion.
In any case fans and children still wanted to play and bought the third games especially after they realised they generally have more content to them.
>>25619478
That's essential along the lines of what I was trying to say. It would also put some perspective to a plot that would involve legendary pokemon representing the sun and the moon by making it a world tour of sorts.
It would also fill the anniversary compilation game that many series do like Sonic, Mario, Kirby and so on.
>>25619683
Yeah, that would be nice. Sonic Generations comes to mind, with revisiting all of it's older titles. Given, I don't think that's what Sun and Moon would be, but I think it's something that gamefreak *should* do. It would cover a whole range of areas and fan favorite characters, give you access to a wide range of pokemon, provide a good challenge considering you'd have to be decently high level by the end of the game and dealing with some higher-end pokemon and moves and when all's said and done, it would give you the whole Pokemon world to date to play around in, even if it's just running around catching pokemon and rematching the various trainers and gym leaders. Being able to enter a randomized Elite Four/Champion tournament whenever you wanted would be a nice perk as well, because you never know what you'd face and it would make for a damn fun game of skill and chance. I really think they should do something like this for their next game, if for nothing other than the fact that a lot of fans have been asking for multiple region games since Gold and Silver. GF just doesn't seem to get the memo that when fans want something, you should really listen and deliver.
>>25619385
Look at the npc models in the pic. Taller than in prev gen.
![tumblr_n0ecs6t2cO1rgvmfqo1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/x6FYEWO.jpg "tumblr_n0ecs6t2cO1rgvmfqo1_500[1].jpg")
>>25620419
It's art. It's not indicative of anything specific like that.
>>25619086
Nah. The timeline Anon posted isn't a fan-construct pattern like the "third legendary" business.
>>25620911
The legendaries getting formes in the same gen as the ones they debuted in isn't a fan construct pattern.
>>25620924
And Zygarde got its formes in Gen VI -- via the Ashime and the TCG. Only Giratina and Kyurem have gotten formes as part of the third version and sequel, respectively, but there's nothing to say Zygarde's formes won't debut in a game in the next generation. Until B2W2, there was a third version. Gamefreak likes to mix things up, so established patterns aren't much to go on.
A timeline posted by the company has much less to do with patterns than what the 6.5fags are spouting.
>>25621014
>And Zygarde got its formes in Gen VI
Not until the mainline games.
>Gamefreak likes to mix things up
Like releasing an ambitious 6th gen game.
>A timeline posted by the company has much less to do with patterns
Unless somewhere in the image it says "THESE ARE THE YEARS NEW GENERATION GAMES ARE COMING OUT" it has just as much to do with patterns. Stop kidding yourself gen 7 fag.
>>25621044
>Not until the mainline games.
No, it has them. They are officially released via the Ashime and TCG, just not yet available in-game.
>Like releasing an ambitious 6th gen game.
Or choosing to forego a third version or sequels altogether.
>Unless somewhere in the image it says "THESE ARE THE YEARS NEW GENERATION GAMES ARE COMING OUT"
Pretty much exactly what the image implies. Anything else and you're delving too deep.
Listen, before the S&M announcement, I was just as much a 6.5fag as you are. But after the announcement, gen 7 made much more sense.
Regardless, when the coverage starts next month and we'll see what S&M are, I'll happily admit I'm wrong if I'm wrong.
