>Pokémon used to be hard
>that rhydon
did they remedy this in the releases?
>>25605645
*rereleases
>rhydon
>leer
>tail whip
Top kek
>--
>Level 61 Arcanine
>Ember
haha wot m8
>>25605645
Thankfully somewhat
lower levels but more moves
>>25605709
Couple this with the fact that Roar literally does nothing in trainer battles in gen 1. Fucking magical, really.
>Pokémon was always this easy
>>25605613
What did you want them to do? There were only 50 TMs. Rhydon could learn maybe 10 of those. Did you want them to just put Earthquake, Psychic, hyper beam, on every Pokemon he had?
>>25605759
>Colress
that's-a one spicy boss fight-a
>>25605768
>What did you want them to do, attempt to make the final boss challenging?
Yes
>>25605613
>shitposter uses gen 1 as an example to prove something bad in pokemon
every time, like we didn't had a million games after those
>>25605759
At least post Wally's team if you're going to make this comparison.
Blue's Exeggutor gives me sustenance
>>25605812
Colress is more like Gray Fox than Wally. Wally should be compared to other Rivals
Barry still has the highest levels of any rival in the series, and one of the best teams in regards to his generation too
>>25605613
Pidgeot:
Substitute
Sky Attack
Hyper Beam
Double Edge
Alakazam:
Psychic
Recover
Thunder Wave
Reflect
Rhydon
EQ
Rock Slide
Double Edge
Fire Blast for grass types
Arcanine:
Fire Blast
Double Edge
Toxic
Body Slam
Is it better?
>>25605840
Colress talks to you throughout the game. Emma is a post-game only character. They're much less comparable than Colress and Wally.
>>25605840
I was just about to comment on that
>HYPNOSIS
>STOMP
>BARRAGE
THREE MOVES FOR THREE HEADS
BRAVO BLUE
R
A
V
O
>>25605759
Both Re-matchable Everyday
Colress: Best Team Best theme
>>25605768
The moves were a joke. You want to convince someone the strongest fire move in gen 1 was Ember? Half of those moves barely even do anything, one of them LITERALLY doesn't do anything at all in trainer battles. Even devs should know by the end of development that Leer is jack shit, as even 8 year olds figured that out. Also, an Eggxecutor with only 3 moves? It's like they just wanted to give the final boss 6 digis, but didn't want to have anyone actually lose that fight. Even if you arrive there 10 levels lower (and, as kids used to have patience and get lost commonly before the internet, they'd probably be well above that), you can't really lose to anything other than the guy's starter.
>>25605712
>FeatherDance
>Whirlwind
What were they thinking?
>>25605874
You don't really fight Colress that much if I remember correctly. He'd probably be more similar to other Villainous Team leaders if that were the case. Still, how about we compare Gray Fox to the Gen IV Stat Trainers instead, even then they were still lazy when building her team
I don't think I'll be asking for teams to have a full party anymore despite the fact it's now impossible to use 1% of the Pokedex on a team. I'm just gonna ask for more than 4 for anything in the post-game
>>25605759
I don't see why a post game trainer can't have just a few more Pokemon. I mean, what's the point?
>>25605978
GameFreak's new mentality is "everything should be casualized as shit and if you want any in-game challenge just use the Maison"
>>25605927
>whirlwind
he doesn't know
>>25605932
You barely fight Wally either, there's the battle outside Wattson's gym and the battle in Victory Road. Then there's the post-game battle in the Battle Resort and that's it.
>>25605927
>Sand Attack
>Whirlwind
okay
>>25605983
Talking about the gen 3 set.
>>25606020
? ? ?
>>25605927
>due to abilities, the opponent is immune to Accuracy reduction or Confusion
>Or they're a typing that resists Flying
>Or they've been buffing themselves
>Whirl em out
At least it isn't a "I have 60 chances to lower the foes defence just in case" Rhydon in OP's pic.
>>25606136
See the post above; gen 3. FeatherDance lowers Attack, whirlwind doesn't work with it all that well.
>>25605712
blastoise doesn't even have an ice move fucking lmao
>>25605613
>that exeggutor with only three moves
Gen 4 and Gen 5 were the best when it came to difficulty.
Not terribly hard, but provided a decent challenge.
>>25606359
He used the leaf stone too fast.
>>25605613
>pokemon used to be hard
people think this?
>>25606604
But TMs exist, faggot.
>>25606359
Best part? It used to have 4 moves.
>>25606648
>in the 50s
Way too over levelled.
If I hadn't glitched my game I would post my team of 40s.
>>25606686
You grabbed them all. Besides, in case the whole getting-my-ass-beaten-only-to-call-you-a-loser-faggot routine didn't give it away, Blue is kind of shit at pokemon. Only in the anime was he any good.
>elite 4
his dumb luck has to kick in at some point.
>>25605932
You fight colress 4 times and the last one can be rebattled daily
>>25606715
>You grabbed them all.
Blue was always one step ahead of you and gym leaders give mandatory TMs.
>>25606734
Fair point. He's still kind of a useless shit.
Plus I assume he kinda sped through the game trying to be better than you.
Which is odd because he tells you that he's got the whole Pokedex thing down, yet has hardly even tried with that it seems.
Was there no Champ before Blue?
>>25606710
Literally every one of Exeggcute's moves is better than Exeggutor's.
>>25606765
Lance.
>>25606765
There wasn't. It was only the Elite 4, and checking the PC in Oak's Lab shows an email which says that the league is opening
>>25606765
I'm sure that was the implication with the "Elite 4" and nobody ever saying there was a Champion. I think Lance builds himself up as the final boss only to say Blue showed up just before you
Also Blue tends to have a much better team than Red does canonically according to GSCHGSS, which speaking of which has Blue as a Gym Leader and one of the best in the game at that. He's not some scrub, he's still the only other character to be at least on par with you in-game
>>25605613
They were just being lazy and gave each of his Pokemon the last four (or three) moves from their respective learnsets. They gave each of the evolved starters a TM move to make them more unpredictable, I suppose. Executor and Arcanine don't really learn much naturally after evolving.
>>25605759
B2W2 had such good bossfights. Full teams and scary coverage everywhere.
>>25606648
Before the internet, before EV training guides, before bugs were widely known, before we grew up? Yes, gen 1 and 2 were hard. Because we were young, and the game is beautifully complex.
>>25605613
Champion Blue update:
---3 permanent members---
Pidgeot: Sky Attack, Swift, Mirror Move, Double Team
Alakazam: Psychic, Seismic Toss, Reflect, Recover
Rhydon: Earthquake, Rock Slide, Body Slam, Submission
---Interchangeables---
Exeggutor: Stun Spore, Leech Seed, Psychic, Mega Drain
Gyarados: Surf, Blizzard, Thunderbolt, Hyper Beam
Arcanine: Agility, Flamethrower, Dig, Hyper Beam
Venusaur: Leech Seed, Toxic, Growth, Mega Drain
Blastoise: Surf, Blizzard, Earthquake, Body Slam
Charizard: Flamethrower, Slash, Earthquake, Fire Spin
Really think this is close to the best you can get, considering the CPU is dumber than a box of rocks. Really can't give them a complex moveset with gen1 technology. Also, holy fuck movepools in gen1 are crazy shallow.
>>25605900
With gen I mechanics exeggutor was beastly, sleep was broke af sempai and stomp flinched you.
>>25607062
>Gen I and II were hard
My first playthrough I only was stalled because I had no Water Pokemon with Surf. My one team member was a Charizard with Cut, Ember, Flamethrower and Fire Spin
Pretending Pokemon was difficult because we were unaware only makes modern games look worse in comparison because they continue to dumb down the difficulty despite all the tools and options children have to play with
>>25606648
>Posts overleveled team
Faggot.
>>25607101
>Taking away hypnosis.
It's to make the game harder, not easier bro. Sleep is broke af.
>>25607150
Ehh. Exeggutor is slow at fuck, so I figured Stun Spore. It's either that or Sleep Powder over Hypnosis. Either one is good, frankly.
>>25605613
>claiming that anyone had ever said this
Now I will tell you that it had gotten easier and more casual within the last generation
>>25607183
You do remember when you wake up you waste a turn, don't you? Although para-flinch is good too.
The problem is, that they just programmed him to have these mons and the last fourif availableattacks it learns at that level. That's why his Pokemon aren't using attacks their pre-evos can learn.
His Fr/LG team isn't so bad.
>>25606710
Alakazam his is strongest Pokémon in Blue, if Psychic is critical hit, that's a dead party member
>>25607202
Yes I do. Like I said, either one is great. Hell, often times in gen1 competitive battles, you take BOTH. But, since the CPU is dumb as fuck, that's probably not a good idea.
But fine:
Exeggutor: Sleep Powder, Leech Seed, Psychic, Mega Drain
Better?
>>25605613
They compensated by making his Pokemon 15 levels higher than where you were likely to be.
blue is a stupid fuck
>>25605613
The shitty AI in Gen 1 and Gen 2 was so easy to abuse.
Even if your battle style is on set you don't need to worry because the AI always sends out their pokemon in the same order.
>>25607242
Which honestly doesn't matter when he spams fucking Leer at you.
>>25607876
>he
>>25607062
>it was hard because I was a retard
Holy shit genwunners really are delusional. I can make R/B hard too if I blindfold myself, that doesn't mean the games are actually challenging.
>>25606710
>2 mons not even fully evolved
>>25605712
>Egg Bomb
>No Psychic
>>25605613
I finished my blue playthrough today and I can't believe how easy the elite 4 and this faggot were. I was intimidated by his lv60 mon but my lv 50 mons just breezed through the whole team without a single death.
Full of courage, I also decided to end my alpha sapphire nuzlocke run without any further training like I originally intended to. All of my pokemon died. It was a fucking massacre.
>>25608231
>lv 50
Why did you overleveled your mons so much?
>>25606604
except he didn't because his exeggcute isn't evolved until the very last time you battle him. blue confirmed for retarded 12yo brat.
>>25608252
I did almost no grinding but only used 5 mons, the last slot was for my hm slave. and 50 is not overleveled. 60 is maybe.
>>25608231
>E4
>easy
Lance is easy only when you have an ice type move, that faggot is impossible to beat without spamming ice moves.
>>25607062
>and the game is beautifully complex
You are kidding right? Even the glitches were simple to pull off and didn't require any kind of special requirements like an out of bounds glitch.
Anyway the thing that made it so easy was the special stat, it made anything specially inclined a powerhouse if it was 80 or more which is what made parasect good then great special and great defences.
>>25608278
HA
Tell that to my vileplume that swept his ass. The gen 1 e4 are pathetically weak.
>>25608276
>50 is not overleveled.
It's pretty overleveled anon considering how easy the game is the 40s is reasonable for a full team and slight challenge anything higher and you'll breeze through.
>>25608278
Electric moves are just as effective though. I taught my Gyarados blizzard just to deal with this guy, but didn't even have to use it. As for Dragonite, I used toxic on him and that retard kept spamming barrier and agility for some reason.
>>25608289
Complex doesn't necessarily mean hard. Pokemon is pretty complex, especially for seven-year-olds.
![atlngDM[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/xYRI6NY.png "atlngDM[1].png")
Yeah, look at how much better the current movesets are!
>>25608399
>implying recent E4 and Champ teams have gotten gen 1 bad
>>25608413
>people still think that Tierno, Trevor(?) and Shauna were the rivals rather than themed trainers
>>25608413
But Tierno's whole thing was about dancing
>>25608442
Is there theme having shitty teams? Then if so it worked
Post your team from back in the 90s when you beat the game for the first time.
>Ivysaur
razor leaf
solar beam
swords dance
cut
>Zapdos
thundershock
drill peck
fly
thunder
>Nidorino
horn attack
ice beam
horn drill
poison sting
these were the only 3 I trained, the rest was just hm mon.
>>25608413
See the thing about them is that they weren't the final challenge were they?
>>25608469
Blue isn't the final challenge. Mewtwo is the final challenge.
>>25608484
Yeah the master ball fodder was a "challenge".
Was it also easier to catch legendaries back then or did I just get lucky? I poison stinged them until they were poisoned and then spammed hyper balls. Max. I needed was 5 hyper balls for Articuno.
On the other hand, safari zone is a pain in the ass. I think I'm gonna use the glitch to catch those safarimon.
>>25608484
Mewtwo is optional postgame. Not the final challenge of the game.
>>25608501
yep
>>25608511
The entire game is optional. Mewtwo is still the final challenge the same way Red in GSC is the final challenge.
>>25608525
>The entire game is optional.
It's not though is it? You need to complete the league to finish the game.
Mewtwo was just optional postgame content just like Red not the final challenge.
>>25608525
Devil's Advocate faggot: Catching Mewtwo doesn't bring about the Credits like Red does
>>25608525
>final challenge
>throw a Master Ball first turn
>>25608551
>It's not though is it?
Yes it is.
Nobody is forcing you to finish the game.
>>25608513
You genwunners must have it rough if just pressing a button is a challenge.
>>25608564
You're pulling some OFF tier shit right now for a kid's game
>>25608468
All I remember from back then was that on Blue I had a Dugtrio which basically carried my team. Slash and Earthquake hit Crits for days.
Current team heading into Victory Road:
Dodrio lvl 46
Hitmonchan lvl 42
Gyarados lvl 46
Hypno lvl 41
Haunter lvl 43
Cloyster lvl 32
Gonna catch Cloyster up to the rest, but where should I stop leveling? I'm doing a nuzlocke, so I only get one shot, but I don't want it to be laughably easy.
Stop arguing over meaningless shit, you're both pathetic.
>>25608564
Now you're just shitposting because you have no argument.
If you want to finish the game you beat the league, after that the game is over aside from the optional content.
>>25608585
>>25608588
>>25608583
>>25608601
If you have nothing to say leave the thread.
>>25608601
>we can't discuss pokemon on a pokemon based imageboard because it makes someone shit themselves in anger
Fuck off then anon.
>>25608343
Barrier and Agility are psychic type moves, so he will always use them against Poison type pokemon.
Pokemon was never hard, it was just inconvenient.
Streamlining the mechanics is what makes each game feel easier.
>>25608575
>two water Pokemon
>>25613136
>not having two of the best type in your team
>>25605645
if you mean the remakes, yes
if you mean the VR gen1 games, no
they made literally no changes in any way to them other than make them viable for Bank and wireless trading
you could download the 3dsiso hacks, they have several changes, but you're gonna have to hack your 3ds first
>>25605672
What are you talking about? its fourth move is Horn Drill
I don't even think Top Kek is a move
>>25608469
>final evil boss team
>early route shitmon with no stab move
>2 random generic poison types that all team grunts have
>only water type has no water stab
Gen IV was the peak of trainers having good movepools
Gen V was pretty good as well but they nerfed team numbers for a lot of trainers (E4, Rival, etc.)
Gen II/III were average
Gen VI is fucking awful, even the E4 have shitty movesets
and Gen I is Gen I
>>25605645
It isn't like he had much better options Gen I. I think the designers didn't give a shit about STAB. Every Pokemon is supposed to learn just normal moves. Only way to explain early gen move pools (and the Phys/Special split).
>>25613306
then compared to Ghetsis
>Cofagrigus - a Toxicstall lead
>Bouffalant - physical attacker with great coverage
>Seismitoad - special attacker that can boost its speed and nerf fire attacks to protect Bisharp
>Bisharp - good physical attacker, has Defiant to fuck you over if you try to nerf its stats
>Eelektross - no weakness, insane coverage
>Hydreigon - a psuedolegendary, has something to deal with pretty much everything
>>25609809
This people seems to forget that before gen IV it was a pain in the ass to have a decent moveset for each of your pokemon so of course it was "harder" because you only had one or two pokemon who could cover the weakness of a type not 6. That's why Whitney fight is considered hard, back then you probably only had at best one pokemon with a fighting move and if it fainted the rest of your team was destroyed by rollout.
>>25613645
There is a Machop you can trade a Drowzee for in the Goldenrod Store.
>>25605613
Admit it, most of y'all had the 75% of that moveset on Charizard.
>>25613747
Never had a Charizard, but my Ho-Oh was definitely Fly, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Sacred Fire.
>>25613725
Yes and it was probably you only pokemon with a fighting move, if Whitney got a bit lucky with stomp or attract it could easily fainted, leaving you with no pokemon with a fighting move.
>>25613871
>>25613871
Man, I loved that whole experience so much. And then Whitney acts like a bitch on top of it. Her gym was cool, her look was cool, her Pokemon were cool.
God, fuck. I love Normal Pokemon.
I'm feeling such tremendously powerful nostalgia. The only way for me to feel that way again is to find the fountain of youth or some shit.
>Complaining about Gen I Blue
It was originally for kids so of course they bother to minmax the final challenge. Its only now they pumping it up for older fans.
Are there really dumbasses who think Gen I wasn't more difficult then Gen 6?
>>25618314
They're probably underagefags who never actually played gen 1.
