Does anyone actually defend the design of this Pokemon? It's not just the fact that it's food, it's the fact that it's man-made food (and something that didn't even exist in the Pokemon universe up until the generation it was introduced). It would have been fine if it was based on a Poffin or some other food that exists in the Pokemon universe but this is a fucking ice-cream.
>b-but muh grimer
>b-but muh voltorb
While those designs are pretty bland, they're a Pokemon-style version of two common JRPG enemies. Grimer is the Pokemon equivalent of a slime monster and Voltorb is the Pokemon equivalent of a chest mimic. And some poor designs in other generations do not justify an even poorer design.
Even if you're able to like the fact that it's an ice-cream, the face is just fucking stupid as well. I can't see why anyone would like this Pokemon unless they were explicitly trying to be a contrarian.
>>25602551
Nice pasta.
>>25602551
Grimer's explanation is invalid, but Voltorb's is pretty decent. Got any explanations for Magnemite and pokemon like Magneton or Dugtrio (namely, the fact that it's just 3 of the previous ones)?
>>25602551
Here's your (you).
>>25602551
Its ice cream
I fuckin love ice cream
therefore, ice cream is good
>>25602551
Vanilluxe has the makings of a good pokemon but execution-wise it's too on the nose and there's too little progression between each form to justify it being a three stage family. If it had a less stupid looking face and went straight from Vanillite to Vanilluxe I'd like it more. As it stands it's just some weird ugly thing with squandered potential like Goodra or Garchomp
>>25602641
Same. Wasted potential for an ice-type 3 stage mon
>>25602551
jesus
>>25602551
>It's not just the fact that it's food, it's the fact that it's man-made food (and something that didn't even exist in the Pokemon universe up until the generation it was introduced).
Ice cream is based of of Vanilluxe in the Pokemon world, not the other way around.
>>25602551
It'd be better with a different face, and without that straw. Also, as a single stage 'Mon.
>>25602584
Go into the archive and link me to a post that says exactly what I've said. Don't call it pasta if you have no idea what it means.
>>25602595
Magneton works with Magnemite's them of magnets, magnets attract each other so Magnemite ends up being multiple Magnemites being attached to each other. With Dugtrio, since the majority of Diglett/Dugtrio's body is underground there could be a reasonable explanation. It's more than likely that Dugtrio is a single body with three heads rather than being just three individual Digletts, but all we see are the heads so we don't know any better. Although both designs are pretty bland as well and I don't really think that Game Freak were thinking too deeply about this sort of stuff when they first designed them.
>>25602604
Could you at least justify why you think it's a good design instead of shitposting? I'm honestly intrigued to know what people like about it.
>>25602690
This. You've gotta read theflavortext.
>>25602706
>Grimer is the Pokemon equivalent of a slime monster and Voltorb is the Pokemon equivalent of a chest mimic.
>something that didn't even exist in the Pokemon universe up until the generation it was introduced
Are you trying to say that because an object wasn't shown in the games previously there can't be a Pokemon based on that object?
>While those designs are pretty bland, they're a Pokemon-style version of two common JRPG enemies.
So if other jrpgs had an ice cream monster, it'd be okay? And Vanillish resembles a DQ slime.
>>25602719
Carlos!
>>25602690
Look at Swirlix in comparison. While it's based on Candy Floss (Cotton Candy), it at least has feet so it can get around. I would have been fine if Vanillite's line did something similar and combined the ice-cream concept with something more organic. But as it stands, they're just floating ice-creams.
>>25602766
It's not literally ice cream, it's an icicle with snow on it. You're contradicting your own arbitrary criteria.
>>25602551
Actually, Vanillite and co. are ice fairies(Yet not fucking fairy type gg GF) who get snow on their heads in order to appear friendly to Humans. Underneath the snow, their expression is a bit scarier.
>yfw Mega Vanilluxe is Ice/Dark and loses the snow to become satanic
>D E E P E S T L O R E
Yeah it's a dumb mon, but the problem is people use it as an excuse to say newer generations have bad designs.
Also leaving grimer and voltorb aside, your explanatios of magnemite and dugtrio are just dumb.
What about Ditto and exeggcute? What's your explanation?
I don't like it, but I defend Gen 5 because I hate how Vannilluxe and Garbodor have become the face of those games, when there's a boatload of cool Pokemon from Gen 5 that I wish fans would give more of a chance to.
>>25602781
>forgot yfw
Ice/Ground mega evolution based on chocolate ice cream/dirty snow when?
>>25602781
>>25602551
>Implying that it isn't an icicle with fallen snow on top made to look like ice cream to give it more... flavor.
>>25602807
>>25602551
It's just a chunk of icicles
>>25602706
It's a simple, clean, not-overdesigned pokémon.
The concept of cup -> cone -> doublecone evolution line is fun and intuitive, and the only 3-stages pure ice type.
Ice creams being made after the Vani line and not the other way around in the pokéworld is a nice touch.
>>25602792
Ditto could be based on an amoeba or a stem cell. They have no definite shape but they can "specialise" and turn into another type of cell (just like how Ditto can transform into other Pokemon).
Exeggcute's line just represents the life cycle of a tree. It starts of as a seed/fruit (Exeggcute) and turns into a tree that bears more of these seeds/fruits (Exeggutor).
>>25602551
I defend the design because there is absolutely nothing at all wrong with it. I realize that it is an icicle with snow on it that just so happens to have an ice cream appearance to it.
I defend the design because it is not out of place at all with all of the other Pokemon in the series.
I defend it because there is absolutely no reason that it deserves all of the hate that it receives from fools who don't understand Pokemon design themselves, or the fact that the world has already established that a Pokemon can be just about anything.
I defend it because it is cute.
I defend it because it is amusing
I defend it because I am not an ignorant, cynical shit.
It's a clever, cute design and it's just opinions
>>25602879
>clever
No.
Icicle with snow that happens to look like literal ice cream with a straw is not clever,
>>25602551
Really, I think it's good. See, Unova is based on America, right? And what's one of the biggest things America centralizes on? Food! Food everywhere. Marketing is shown around America wherever you go, and if Vanniluxe is a type of representative corporate food, is it not a good Pokemon for what it was intended to be? Trubbish and Garbodor are also applied to this; you see trash bags in New York all the time, don't you? It's not just what the design is, it's what its meant to mean.
But still, they probably could've done better than an ice cream cone. Probably.
>>25602773
Even if it is an icicle with snow on it, that puts it in the same category as Voltorb, Magnemite and all the other Pokemon that you claim are shit as well.
I don't really care about it.
It's not particularly good, but it's not particularly bad either.
I don't know why everyone cares so much either. I wouldn't go out of my way to defend it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to hate on it like you are OP.
>>25602902
But Anon, you fail to understand that they took the concept of icicle, snow, and ice cream and made an actual design out of it. They made a design that works. Is it simple? Yes.
They were able to create something that can easily exist as a Pokemon. You need to learn to understand this.
>>25602920
What? I'm not shitting on anything you illiterate fuck. Read the reply chain.
>>25602906
How about a burger?
>>25602551
>Bronzong is a bell
>Chimecho is a wind-chime
>Chingling is a bell
>Cherrim are cherries
>Dragalge is algae
You can literally go on and on with Pokemon that are based on non-living/non-thinking things/food.To label them all shit automatically is unreasonable. Once you realize Vanillite's line are just icicle-shaped beings that disguise themselves as ice cream to appear friendlier, you'll stop being an autistic fuck.
>>25602906
Trubbish/Garbodor aren't that bad design wise. A lot of gen 5 Pokemon were meant to parallel gen 1 Pokemon and Garbodor was a parallel of Muk. Since Kanto is based on Japan and Japan uses nuclear energy, Muk represents toxic waste. Americans tend to have more garbage/household waste so Garbodor represents this. While the designs are ugly, it's supposed to be ugly.
I still think it should have been cut down to a one/two stage evolution. Maybe they could have fused the ice-cream concept with Cryogonal and had a separate three-stage Ice evolution line.
I have no problem with Pokemon coincidentally resembling manmade objects.
My favorite Pokemon include Wobbuffet, Xatu and Remoraid.
>>25602968
>Dragalge is algae
Anon...
>>25602551
No, Vanilluxe is not an amazing design but just because you're so but blasted over the fact it's meant to look like ice cream doesn't mean it's a bad one. It's not contrarian to like Vanniluxe's design.
>>25602863
Pretty much this.
If you wanna talk about bad designs, how the hell anyone likes Keldeo is beyond me.
>>25602968
Being man-made/inanimate isn't the problem. All the Pokemon you listed actually fuse their concept with other things rather than just being what they're based on. It's still just an ice-cream that happens to have a blue cone.
Vanillite's line is just lazy. And it's also a prime case of an "it gets bigger" evolution. It's weird because every other design done by the guy who made it was actually pretty good.
>>25602968
they're all shit designs. Just making objects into pokemon is just lazy
>>25603057
>Just making objects into pokemon is just lazy
ftfy
>>25603003
>how the hell anyone likes Keldeo is beyond me.
Here's a hint: they want to fuck it.
>>25603045
Vanillite's line isn't lazy. Vanilluxe is. Vanillite and Vanillish are okay.
>>25603057
And making animals into Pokemon isn't? I'd say that's lazier.
>>25603066
>Just making animals into pokemon is just lazy
>just making folklore creatures into pokemon is just lazy
ftfy
>>25603045
>It's still just an ice-cream that happens to have a blue cone.
It's a solid chunk of ice covered in snow. See:
>>25602807
>>25602819
>>25603003
desu Vanillice is a good design of a strange concept
but its not ugly or anything
genuinely ugly pokemon are far worse, like pic related or a third of Gen II
Ice cream is a retarded concept for a Pokémon. Vanilluxe is shit competitively, and its design is fucking terrible.Vanillite is a cute
>>25602551
You're presupposing that icecream existed before Vanilluxe.
What if Vanilluxe was the inspiration for ice cream?
ITT: great classic designs that everyone remembers fondly
>>25603100
If Pokemon and humans are supposed to be friends/allies, why would you design food that makes it look like you're eating a Pokemon?
>>25603109
I love me some puffy vulva, but even I have limits.
>>25602968
>cherries
>algae
>non-living
Wow, anon. You are just dumb as fuck, aren't you, sweetie?
>>25603100
>>25602551
It's not like that fact even matters. It's a kid's game and will go by kid's game logic. Pokemon are mysterious monsters and humans don't entirely understand. As long as introduced Pokemon look good and are coherent with the universe then shit like that doesn't matter.
Does anyone actually defend the design of this Pokemon? It's not just the fact that it's a trio of orbs, it's the fact that it's man-made orbs (and something that didn't even exist in the Pokemon universe up until the generation it was introduced). It would have been fine if it was based on a magnet or some other force that exists in the Pokemon universe but this is a fucking orb trio.
>b-but muh trubish
>b-but muh vanilite
While those designs are pretty bland, they're a Pokemon-style version of two common JRPG enemies. trubish is the Pokemon equivalent of a trash monster and Vanilite is the Pokemon equivalent of a floor food. And some poor designs in other generations do not justify an even poorer design.
Even if you're able to like the fact that it's an orb trio, the lack of a face is just fucking stupid as well. I can't see why anyone would like this Pokemon unless they were explicitly trying to be a contrarian.
>>25602551
I named my Vanilluxe Ben&Jerry.
It still makes me smile.
>>25603112
>has never eaten pancakes with smiley faces on them
>>25603068
i'm from the pony board, and i can confirm we dont want to fuck it.
>>25603112
The same reason we have animal crackers.
>>25603112
>has never heard of novelty food
>>25602551
>ice cream
what kind of ice cream you've been eating.
>>25603083
>Defending Vanillixe
>Shitting on Quilladin when there are far worse concepts and designs
Are you even trying?
>>25603202
>I'm from the ponyfucker board and I can confirm we don't want to fuck this pony.
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this and be grateful for what you have
>>25603237
>hating based punch-frog
>>25603251
nice imagepasta :)
>>25603251
Except yokai are actually interesting and fit their concepts to a Tee, where as pokemon are LITERALLY generic RPG monsters.
>>25602551
Did you know, that some people that likes something, often defend it?
Did you know, that you may like something, that you may defend, like your family.. maybe a friend.. or.. maybe your life?
So... gonna defend your life, or just let everything go to shit?
Is it wrong to defend something you like?
Does it need to be, that you bash on someone else, maybe is a big blatant lie?
Hell.. sure you want to talk about something?
>>25603251
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn’t he just the most clever guy around?! Oh my God.
I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your Youkai Watch and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don’t even fill in the captcha. Maybe you’re such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The “terrible” Youkai Watch designs, isn’t it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it’s ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that’s right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she’s probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about fucking Youkai Watch. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic Youkai Watch hating NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can’t even try to talk with you because all you say is “I REALLY REALLY HATE YOUKAI WATCH DESIGNS.” You’ve become a parody of your own self. And that’s all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he’s done a million times now. And that’s all you’ll ever be.
>>25602873
Those are literally just ice cream cones, what the fuck was mother nature thinking when it made those shitty designs?
>>25603081
>It's a solid chunk of ice covered in snow
With an ice chunk that happens to look like a straw?
Please
They designed it as ice cream first.
Stop being such an apologist.
>>25603319
How fat do you have to be to look at that picture and think it's an ice-cream cone?
>>25602968
Dragalge is a weedy seadragon you ignorant shit
>>25603320
The straw is used to intake large amounts of water in order to convert into ice.
>>25603320
I'm sorry that we aren't butthurt little piss-babies getting bent out of shape over Pokemon design, and are able to actually appreciate Pokemon for what they are, hon.
>>25603320
Do you not understand how concepts work in design? Of course, it has similarities to ice cream since the concept is an "ice cream Pokemon." But the whole point is that it is not actually ice cream, but a ice creature covered in snow.
Goes further by proving in-universe, ice cream is inspired by them.
>>25603324
>not getting the joke
>>25603331
>Weedy
It's called Leafy.
>>25603075
How is Vanilluxe any lazier than the other 2?
>>25603320
That implies there's something to be sorry for about it looking like Ice Cream. It's supposed to look ice cream, you dingus, but the concept is that it that it's an icicle with snow that looks like ice cream. You can be butt blasted about that all you want, but that won't make Vanilluxe's design and concept objectively bad
>>25603350
>Do you not understand how concepts work in design?
Anon, this is /vp/, of course the average poster doesn't understand anything like that. The average poster who shits on Pokemon design doesn't understand Pokemon design, or creative processes as a whole. Any potential Pokemon that they themselves would likely ever create would be a horrible mess.
Most likely the majority of which would only be animal-themed, because they would be under the false impression that Pokemon are simply animals with extras. They forget the 'monster' aspect.
The average /vp/ person is incapable of looking at the bigger picture.
>>25603075
What they were trying to do with Vanilluxe was repeat the "many headed" thing that was extremely common in gen 1. I like that.
>>25603342
>piss-babies
stopped reading there
The Vanis are just icicles that resemble ice creams. That's it.
Outside the retards like OP and idiotic genwunners the hate subsided and now people only hate Vanilluxe because "as an evolution it's kind of generic/bland and could have done more with it", same complaint used for Klinklang.
>>25603377
It's just as bad as any design where they've "literally taken my mom's X and put it in the game", regardless of whether it's based on an animal or a food.
>>25603112
Making food that resembles an animal, that's so strange and silly haha
>>25603257
It was just a reaction image, that's why I didn't say pic related.
>>25603392
OP actually gave arguments as to why he disliked it. You're just name-calling.
>>25603393
But that doesn't make it in any way an exceptionally bad design like so many fucking autists have been butt blasting about.
>>25603237
Then they go around and defend ugly fucks like Quilladin
>>25603342
>piss-babies
LITERALLY tumblr.
>>25603402
>You're just name-calling
That's the only way to defend Vanilluxe
That and pretend others don't get the simple, but bad concept of an Icicle that "just happens" to look like ice cream
>>25603402
>OP actually gave arguments as to why he disliked it
>"it's ice cream"
>argument
>>25603353
Does this look "Leafy" to your shitty eyes? Leafy sea dragons are full of leaf-like appendages. This one barley has any of them but very small ones.
>>25603412
How is an icicle that happens to look like ice cream a bad concept? I'm curious.
>>25602551
>I can't see why anyone would like this Pokemon unless they were explicitly trying to be a contrarian.
That is exactly it.
Why else do you think on here people say gen 5 was best gen and that gen 5 had the best pokemon designs?
>>25603416
>It's not just the fact that it's food, it's the fact that it's man-made food (and something that didn't even exist in the Pokemon universe up until the generation it was introduced)
>some poor designs in other generations do not justify an even poorer design
>the face is just fucking stupid as well
>>25603369
Because is pretty much the same pokemon as before with an extra head (whoa, what a coincidence, sounds like something from gen 1) with some extra added features. At least there's a progression between Vanillish and Vanillite.
If it remained a two-stages mon, most of its problems would be solved. Or at least I think the backslash over the design wouldn't be so excessive.
>>25603390
I don't really mind it, but it's one of the problems people usually name of pokemons like Klink and Vanillite while they look the other way with first gen mons like Magnemite and Doduo.
People are comparing Magnemite to Vanilshit
Magenemite is a badass, it' looks great, not a houshold object with eyes, godly attack animations, makes sence as a magnet that rat kings other magnets to make magneton.
Vanilshit on the other hand has derp face, a straw that lets out steam???, design that is litterally just baby one two with no reason for it. No reason for this think to be pissed/badass or anything but derp.
>>25603424
Because it's still just a floating icicle (and it was introduced in the same generation that had the floating snowflake too). If you want an example of how food can be turned into a decent Pokemon design, look at Swirlix.
>>25602690
Because it's a fucking ice cream!
>>25602551
>>25602706
>defending a design for what it represents
no anon,that's not how it works, you can't defend a design for what it represents,at this point i could say that garbodor is supposed to represent the humanity impurity etc. but that wouldn't defend it from being the bad design that it is,just because muk is based on a rpg slime that doesn't defend it from being a bad design
>>25603353
Nope. Weedy seadragons and leafy seadragons are two different species.
>>25603430
>It's not just the fact that it's food, it's the fact that it's man-made food
"it's ice cream"
>(and something that didn't even exist in the Pokemon universe up until the generation it was introduced)
Got it out of his ass.
>some poor designs in other generations do not justify an even poorer design
Quality of design is subjective.
>>the face is just fucking stupid as well
Quality of design is subjective.
>>25603444
>steam
>he doesn't know about dry ice
You must be over 18 to post on this site.
>>25602807
>this is supposed to make its design any better
>a frozen turd castform replica
>>25603445
Vanillite line is completely inorganic in nature so why give it animal characteristics? Do you have the same issue with Lunatone, Solrock, and Aegislash?
>>25603463
Vanillite doesn't have tits.
>STILL shitting on pokemon designs
fine, get a bigger load of it
>>25603433
Another problem with Klink and Vanillite is that they both have three evolution stages rather than only two (like Magnemite and Doduo). They could have easily cut out Klang and Vanniluxe and designed a better looking Pokemon with two stages (since Gen 5 actually had quite a few great designs).
>>25603444
>Magenemite is a badass, it' looks great
Nothing of the sort.
>not a houshold object with eyes
Yeah it's multiple household objects combined instead.
>makes sence as a magnet that rat kings other magnets to make magneton.
Huh-uh.
>a straw that lets out steam???
Are you retarded? It's a fucking ice Pokemon. It freezes air. Glalie and Regice do it to attack according to the Pokedex.
>design that is litterally just baby one two with no reason for it.
As an ice cream, adding more scoops makes sense. As an icicle, freezing the water near it to create more stalactites makes even more sense.
Not liking it is completely fine, but let's not spew random shit.
>>25602641
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Gen 5 had a bit of a problem with stretching concepts out too far - the Klinklang line & the genies are the other notable offenders
>>25603427
Maybe because Gen 5 had legitimately cool Pokemon designs? That might be shocking to your autistic brain that can't register anything past the same 2-3 Pokemon that everyone bitches about.
>>25603476
Magnemite got a third evolution though
>>25603109
I do unironically like it, amazing run and kill machine in Crystal.
The tail should have been a thick curled one not a fluffball.
>>25603476
>magnemite
>two evolutions
Anon, I..
>>25602551
I love you OP
>>25603045
In what was is Cheri anything but two cherries?
>>25603476
>magnemite
zone.
>>25603175
Too bad its design is more pleasing that a retarded ice cream.
But nice try, and don't forget its part high tier viablity through the genations too.
Got a nice shiny as well.
>>25603489
>Gen 5 had legitimately cool Pokemon designs
Not any more than literally any other gen, sorry.
>>25603209
>looks like a rounded ice cream due to licks
>now resembles a popsicle
simply epic design and lore, amirite?
>>25603469
>Lunatone/Solrock
They're part Psychic, which explains why they're animated.
>Aegislash
It's a possessed sword, similar to how you see animated suits of armor.
If Vanillite had been part ghost or psychic, it would have made more sense.
>>25603175
Magneton looks aesthetically pleasing, unlike Vanilluxe.
Try harder next time.
>the face is just fucking stupid
Kay
>>25603350
>ice creature
hehehe yes goyim
an ice cream creature
>>25603490
>>25603494
>>25603504
>implying Magnezone existed in gen 1
Although I like Magnezone's design and concept. It's a lot less lazier than Magneton's design.
>>25603476
Vanillite doesn't look like a final evo, but Vanilluxe does. If they had to cut anything out it would've been Vanillite.
>>25603517
They're still inorganic. Like the Vanillite line. Again, why give animal characteristics to something that is in not any way an animal or meant to be one?
>>25603517
What about Cryogonal?
>>25603454
>quality is subjective but gen 5 is always perfect and you cannot point at its failures
lalalalalalalalala i don't want to listed lalalala muh gen 5 lalalalala
>>25603518
>Magneton looks aesthetically pleasing, unlike Vanilluxe.
>Try harder next time.
Magnezone is the only member of the line that's particularly aesthetically pleasing.
>>25602551
People who call it ice cream need a fucking education. It's a stalagmite with snow on it designed to look like ice cream and in the pokemon world ice cream is most likely based on it.
>>25603564
It's the ugliest one, so no.
People only prefer it because it looks more "creative"
>>25603530
It is literally an ice creature. You're not purposely being this stupid, are you?
>>25603517
Why are living rocks like Geodude/Onix/Roggenrola easy to accept, but living ice is where we draw the line?
>>25603569
merely a stalagmite
what a meme
>>25603561
>Vanilluxe
>Not Keldeo
>Or those genies
>>25603575
ice cream is my favorite creature too!
>>25603595
Your reading comprehension is pitifully poor.
>>25603558
Inorganic Pokemon are fine. It doesn't have to be animal characteristics, it just needs to be more than the original concept alone.
As it stands, Vanillite just falls in the category of boring Pokemon (like Voltorb, Grimer, Stantler, Herdier, etc.)
>>25603611
It will always be ice cream, no matter what shitty excuses or explanations you or Gamefreak make.
>>25603582
When did I say that Geodude was a good design? Stop projecting.
>>25603626
You're an idiot.
>>25603536
>implying that changes the fact that it has three evolutionary stages
>implying magnezone is lazier than magneton
Take a look at thisanon that has a different opinion than mine.
>>25603509
What does comparing matter? The point is that Gen 5 has a lot of cool Pokemon and it sucks how that's all shadowed by the same crap fags will spew.
>>25603620
How would you expand upon the concept then? As it stands, the Vanillite line design is simple but pretty cleverly executed. Especially as a pure Ice type.
>>25603620
Eh. I can see that.
But I personally like those Pokemon you listed, so the fact that they didn't add a secondary theme to Vanilluxe doesn't bother me.
>>25603582
Same reason puddles of radioactive semen and three whack-a-moles stuck together are easy to accept. I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with "smosmalgia".
>>25603536
>a lot less lazier
>>25603569
>stalagmite
I'm really glad you elite intellectuals are contributing to this argument about a Pokémon based on fucking ice cream
>>25602551
Yes, if only because its become the poster child for my fellow genwunners who haven't played the games since they were kids to cry "new designs are shit, muh 150"
Is it a shit design? Yeah, but they can't all be GOAT, especially seeing as there are ove 700 of the fuckers nowadays
>>25603636
Ah, fuck. I read that wrong. I thought you said that magnezone was lazier.Gomen, gomen.
I kinda like the idea behind the Vannilluxe line, but the execution itself is a tad bit too obvious. I personally don't find the design that bad, it's just "okay".
>>25603135
He also put nonthinking/food, you double-decker retard.
>>25603529
This.
>>25602773
None of those pokemon are shit, he was just using your argument against you
>>25603644
Maybe some sort of hermit crab that has a body shaped like a cone and uses a "shell" made out of snow (so it ends up looking like an ice-cream)? Although gen 5 also introduced Dwebble/Crustle so maybe you wouldn't want two of them in the same generation.
>>25603509
That doesn't matter anyways since this is all subjective in the end. I can list off 20 Gen 5 Pokemon that I like but to you there'd probably be 15 designs you dislike.
>>25603308
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn’t he just the most clever guy around?! Oh my God.
I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your copypasta and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don’t even fill in the captcha. Maybe you’re such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just put the copypasta. Oh, and we all know the copypasta. The “clever”anon is NEET copypasta, isn’t it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it’s ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that’s right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she’s probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about fucking copypastas. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic copypasta NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can’t even try to talk with you because all you say is “I POST THAT COPYPASTA TO SHOW TO EVERYONE HOW THAT ANON IS A NEET” You’ve become a parody of your own self. And that’s all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he’s done a million times now. And that’s all you’ll ever be.
>>25603700
Then again, you're adding unnecessary animal characteristics to something inorganic. Do you have an idea that isn't based of an animal?
>>25603710
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Pokemon Trainer's School, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Team Rocket, and I have over 300 confirmed league wins. I am trained in Pokemon battling and I’m the top trainer in the entire Kanto armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another trainer. My Raichu will wipe you the fuck out with strength the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Wireless Union Room? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across Kanto and your ID Number is being traced right now so you better prepare for the Thunder, maggot. The Thunder that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can blackout you in 721 different ways, and that’s just with my Pokemon. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire Pokemon arsenal of the Smogon Army and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the region, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>25602551
Why is Vanilluxe the poster-child for "pokemon designs I don't like"? It's not a great pokemon, but it's far from being outlandishly bad. When I think "awful pokemon designs/concepts" I think of stuff like dugtrio/magnemite which are just the first stage multiplied by three and eggsecute and exeggcutor who A) only exist to make the "egg pun in their names, B) are a bunch of eggs with anime faces that evolve into a palm tree somehow, C) eggs are somehow a grass type.
That being said, Vanilluxe isn't even a bad design at all.
>It would have been fine if it was based on a food in the pokemon universe
Why? How would that make a difference at all? Poffins are man-made too.
There's also the fact that it's an icicle with snow on top; it's a LOT more imaginative than a lot of ice types, like Avalugg who is a walking ice berg, and the triangle polar bear thing.
>i-it's face is dumb
What's wrong with its face? Pokemon can't have cute faces? Since when?
>Grimer and Voltorb are okay because they're based on JRPG tropes!
They're very, very, very lazy "parodies" of the JRPG tropes mentioned. Grimer is literally a big purple blob of poison that evolves into a bigger blob of poison, and Voltorb is just a pokeball with a smiley face on it. Not to mention, slimes are generally common early-game enemies, while Grimer in Red/Blue was very far out of the way and nowhere near the beginning of the game. There are several, far better "blob of slime" pokemon. Then there's Amoongus, who is a far more clever pokeball-mimic pokemon.
tl;dr you have shit taste and should feel bad.
>>25603045
So are Magneton, Dugtro, Muk, and Electrode.
>>25603475
I want to fuck at least three of the yokai in this image.
>>25603700
But then you lose the icicle thing as replace it with a hermit crab theme, aka slowbro.
>>25603740
When did I say that those Pokemon weren't lazy?
>>25603475
And to think I thought the biggest problem with Yokai Watch was the automatic battling. This shit is what makes Yokai Watch childish.
>>25602551
I dunno I think it's cute.
That's all that really matters in the end.
>>25603286
Yikes @ your taste
>>25603785
Being cute would also justify abortions like pachirisu, we can't have that be the only thing that matters.
>>25603714
Plenty of Pokemon blend inorganic and organic concepts together, you don't have to keep them completely separate.
>>25603760
Icicles and ice-cream are more or less the same thing. You can barely consider them to be different concepts. It's like saying Magnemite is creative because it mixes magnets with metal.
>>25603740
spotted the buttblasted unova toddler trying to defend something because other did the same and they did it before what you are defending
>>25603068
i just like cute pokemon okay!! its cute!! i dont want to fuck it!!
>>25603251
>not thinking a skeleton that's composed of the bones of starvation victims but is instead obsessed with gachapon is clever
shit taste sempai
damn OP what the fuck ice cream is one of the best gen 5 pokemon
.) cute as fuck
.) based on the Hiun city speciality ice cream
.) man made stuff can become a pocket MONSTER too
.) good stats on top of that
whats not to love?
>>25603813
And plenty of Pokemon are solely inorganic. You don't have to combine.
In any case, the idea is cool but I prefer Dwebble/Crustle.
>>25603817
This is literally the most autistic thing I've ever read.
>>25603813
Icicles and ice cream are not actually very similar, other than being cold. Icicles are made of water and are sharp and hard. Ice cream is made of cream, ice and is typically soft. A cone is usually made of a wafer.
Like, it seems very silly to say "icicles and ice cream are the same thing conceptually".
>>25603682
You're right, I kind of skimmed through that shit post. Doesn't change the fact that ice cream is a dumb-as-fuck concept for a Pokémon, you fucking faggot.
>>25603871
not the guy you replied too but why would ice cream be a dumb concept for a pokemon?
Sounds damn nice to me, also its still a rarity to find a pokemon with such a weird concept. You still have your tons of dragons m8, why hate on ice cream ;_;
>>25603864
Milk/Cream is 95% water. Saying that Ice-Cream is not similar to ice/snow is just plain ignorance.
>>25603871
Not as dumb as you.
>>25602551
I genuinely like Vanilluxe, Vanillish and Vanillite. I think their designs are neat. They're icicles covered in snow and designed to resemble ice cream, which I think is pretty clever.
>the face is just fucking stupid as well
Opinions. I think they're cute.
>>25603802
Why not? I don't see what's wrong with Pachirisu but maybe that's because I'm not faggot who can only see Pokemon as random number generators and nothing else.
>>25602551
Completely agree OP. There was no excuse for this garbage being introduced. Same with the trubbish line. Most designs in gen 5 were just God awful, period.
>>25603942
>Same with the trubbish line.
Well that's your opinion anon and you're entitled to it.
But just as long as you know I and thousands of other people still love Trubbish and Garbador for who they are, and we all think you're an autistic faggot.
>>25603732
>Exeggcute-to-Exeggutor ignorance
It's okay Anon, I'll enlighten you.
Exeggcute are both eggs & seeds. If you read the 'dex entries the early ones only state it being 'mistaken for' eggs & stadium compares it to plant seeds, then from gen 3 onwards the entries start explicitly calling them 'eggs'. Combining the two simultaneously works with a number of concepts: seeds as 'plant eggs'; arguably a pun on 'eggplant'; & a more appropriate shape to work with to create a cluster of disembodied heads.
Exeggutor is more than a palm tree; it's based off the Jinmenju - a tree of Japanese myth which grows heads that are always smiling.
It's also likely that the concept includes Exeggutor heads dropping (like coconuts of a palm tree) & becoming new Exeggcute.
It's a pretty neat concept overall. I'm not going to argue in favour of the exeggcutionHAbecause I think Exeggcute went too far in the 'egg' direction & Exeggutor looks plain stupid, but conceptually it's perfectly sound.
>>25603942
Trubbish/Garbador at least have limbs. And they parallel Grimer/Muk (just like how a lot of Unova Pokemon parallel other gen 1 Pokemon).
>>25603974
i love this design because it gives the world a cool jrpg feel, having a trash monster
also it fits to the theme of the underground and big city imo
>>25602766
So you're problem is that if inexplicably floats? Do also hate every pokemon with Levitate?
>>25603974
And you're all idiots with shit-tier taste. Objectively speaking, of course.
>>25603974
Trubbish and Garbodor are based.
>>25602551
your hate killed this man.
http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/966153-pokemon-creative-design-director-killed-tragic-incident
>>25604008
No because every Pokemon with Levitate has a reason to float (psychic powers, ghostly powers, it has wings but it's already got two types other than flying).
Although all the floating Pokemon that don't have levitate do annoy me (except the ones that have wings like Beedrill, although they should really be immune to Ground too). ALso the other Pokemon usually have a more interesting design than Vanilluxe.
>>25603871
>>25603942
>shitting on pokemon designs
>in 2016
This is a toughie, how about a load of this?
>>25604075
That guy had nothing to do with designing Pokemon, you utter retard. Only Game Freak themselves design the Pokemon, not The Pokemon Company.
>>25604103
Where did I say he designed them?
>>25603999
I never saw anything wrong with the design. It was a pretty solid idea for a Pokemon since trash is a common problem in cities.
It makes sense to have a Pokemon that is trash piles come to life.
>>25604085
>No because every Pokemon with Levitate has a reason to float (psychic powers, ghostly powers, it has wings but it's already got two types other than flying).
Koffing.Weezing
Carnivine
Tynamo/Eelektrik/Eelektross
Cryogonal
Vanillite and Vanillish are alright but Vanilluxe is garbage. Either get rid of Vanilluxe or Vanillish and give it a better 3rd evolution.
I've always liked vanillite. I hate to see it evolve into something so horrendous.
The designs you can come up with for ice based pokemon is limited to begin with. Eventually, ice cream was going to happen anyway.
>>25604119
Koffing and Weezing represent air pollution, so it makes sense that they'll float. The rest are pretty stupid though.
>>25604122
Vanillite is qt as fuck while it's two evos look like ass
Should have used it as the gen V mew/celebi/jirachi/shaymin instead of mlp or idol shitmons
>ITT naysayers can't differentiate between being Ice Cream cone SHAPED and actually being vanilla ice cream scoop on top of a wafer, because icicles and wafers totally look the same
>>25603732
>When I think "awful pokemon designs/concepts" I think of stuff like dugtrio/magnemite which are just the first stage multiplied by three and eggsecute and exeggcutor
Fuck you and the horse you road in on.
>>25603942
>Same with the trubbish line.
>Its ok for pokemon based on air pollution and water pollution to exist, but I draw the line at land pollution!
Oh hey this thread again!
Giving another reply to it gets closer to autosage.
>>25602551
It's ice cream. I like ice cream.
>>25604119
Well Koffing/Weezing are basically balloons filled with poisonous gas, & Cryogonal's a damn snowflake. With the Eelektross line, GF probably just wanted a levitating electric & the eels 'swimming' through the air looks kinda cool, but it can't really be defended
Also Carnivine floats holy shit wat
>>25604196
>ITT naysayers can't differentiate between being a mole with three heads and actually being three different moles stuck together, because a mole with three heads and three different moles totally look the same
>>25604099
So I'm supposed to like every design just because some shitty ripoff exists?
>>25604196
>they're not really based off ice cream cones guys they're actually icicles & it's just coincidence that they look like one & that the game has an ice cream dessert that so happens to look just like one
>>25604239
good argument
epic way to show how incoherently upset are you
>>25604239
Hey anon, you really know how to put your free time to good use. Good job :^)
Pokemon do not function according to some internally consistent logic. They are not just animals, they are elementals, constructs, extraterrestrials, the anthropomorphization of the waste left by human industry, or even human souls granted new life as a monster. If a Pokemon floats, it doesn't have to be because because it can psychically levitate or is filled with buoyant gases or whatever: it floats because It Just Does.
It's Pokemon, they don't gotta explain shit.
>>25604099
Thanks James Turner and Hitoshi Ariga...
>>25604280
>they're not really based of pokeballs guys it's just a coincidence that they look like one & that the game has an item that so happens to look just like one
>>25604313
I don't get why so many people are seemingly infatuated with the glorified animal/pet aspect of Pokemon when they're so much more interesting to think of as monsters.
Is it Pikachu-mania, where all Pokemon should aspire to be like Pikachu?
>>25604349
good meme argument "it's good and justified because others did it in the past too and after 4 gens it is still innovative and incredible and socially accepted hurr durr but the past one is actually worse and my ice cream is better do not critic!!!"
well memed anon
>>25604280
They're based off ice cream cones silhouette from a IRL design perspective. But that doesn't make them one or based off one within the fictional universe.
Two completely different things. Its not like you theres some sort of plot/logic hole.
>>25604359
As much as the anime tries to advertise, pokemon are always portrayed as pets/animals, eating from bowls and from nature itself. Doesn't help that animals got retconned out of Pokemon's world
>STILL liking Golem
>>25604388
>Its not like you theres some sort of plot/logic hole.
*not like you found that theres
>>25604400
>STILL liking Gogoat.
>>25604382
>hurr it was on the past so it was innovative!
It's just lazy. There's no other way around it, not even if it's based on an existing trope. Get over it.
>>25604426
>still using this logic to justify an ice cream
meme, MEME!
>>25604426
Shitty designs in gen 1 don't justify shitty designs in gen 5.
>>25603779
Yet it's this shit taste that's outselling pokemon in its home country
>>25604349
I didn't imply that though - it's blatant that it's EXPLICITLY based off a Pokeball because of the whole mimic-predator idea. That's a terrible strawman
>>25604388
Speaking of which, looks like I'm guilty of one there. Whoops.
For me, the IRL design perspective is pretty important, but if you just look at them from an in-universe perspective then the concept is fine so that's totally subjective. I still think it's a bad execution though & that the face is dumb
>>25604442
>>25604465
>implying I'm justifying the existence of the pokemon
Where? Where did I state that I was doing it? Tell me exactly where. Go ahead, demonstrate that you are not shitposting for the sake of shitposting.
>>25604577
keep sliding it
great job :^)
In the end this all boils down to: Who cares?
Seriously in a franchise that has over 700 creatures now, why do we care about this one measly Pokemon?
And narrowing it down to the Gen Vannilluxe was introduced, why bitch about it (and Garbodor for that matter) when there's 150+ other Pokemon to look at? you'd think you wouldn't care for an ice cream Pokemon when you have a 3-headed dragon and a fire moth down the line.
It's shit, but it's not a symptom of pokemon running out of ideas as many people like to say.
If you wanted to argue that they're running out of ideas, Fennekin would be a much better candidate since they already done a fire fox theme before, and they're just recycling an old idea instead of doing a new one.
>>25602551
But magnemite is made of horseshoe magnets and screws, both of which are man-made items. Sableye's eyes are made of perfectly commercial cut gem stones and the one he carries as a mega is as well. Additionally several pokemon wear human clothes.
>>25604699
Two if you include Flareon
>>25602551
>Does anyone actually defend the design of this Pokemon?
And why would you want to offend it? Let it be how it is. What is even the point of arguing about the designs in a game directed to kids. Unless you are 10 years old and you are somehow offended by GF creating this Pokemon you should just keep it to yourself. Sure it isn't the brighties design of all times but seriously who cares, oh right most of /vp/ cares because it's common sense here to argue over shit like this endlessly just to try and convince others your opinion on given topic is superior to anyone's else that isn't supporting yours. So ice cream pokemon was created, what of it? Did you stop liking franchise? Did you stop playing pokemon games? No? Then what's the problem? If you did stop playing them, then what are you doing here on /vp/? This board is supposed to be for people that like Pokemon, not specified generation of it.
There are plenty of stupid/silly/bad design in each generation but why do you feel urge to keep arguing about it over and over.
>the face is just fucking stupid as well
Half of the Pokemon have stupid ass face. This one is at least happy about it.
>Hating Mr. Turner
>>25604860
>why do you feel urge to keep arguing about it over and over
see >>25602681
>>25604864
how could such awesome Pokemon like golurk and trevanant come from the same guy that did vanilluxe
>>25604864
I would have liked it if the snow looked more like snow instead of cream, and it didn't have those dumb faces. But it's not an inherently bad concept or "anti-pokemon" or whatever. And certainly not representative of gen 5 designs.
>>25604864
DESU Vanilluxe is fine for a shitmon. Trevenant is probably my favorite Gen 6 Pokemon too.
>>25604880
>And certainly not representative of gen 5 designs.
Tell that to everyone who blames ice cream and trash can for gen 5 being shit
>>25604874
As an anon said, the core idea of the pokemon is good, but at the same time it's trying to convey some of the older designs (g1 pandering) with the double head. In general it doesn't have a pretty good execution.
I don't dislike it, actually, but I'd rather see the second face of Vanilluxe (the one with the closed eyes and and maybe it's straw too, since it has dry ice coming out of it) on Vanillish and keep it a two evolutionary stage. Either that or another design for what Vanilluxe ended up being.
>>25602551
its not actually icecream though it just shaped like it
>>25604294
>>25604295
Thanks for helping me. Now it's 4 more posts just drowning the thread.
>>25604917
I'll never understand how anyone can hate trash.
>>25605024
They're the kind of people who hate Muk too.
>>25605024
I actually don't mind them. Makes perfect sense within the confines of the world and at least its not yet another real world animal turned Pokémon
Its inspiration is bad. It's literally ice cream. The double head thing as final evo is cool, but it shouldve been a two stage for that.
Other object pokemon at least have other themes going for them or context. Like garbodor is found in trash piles and is poison like muk. Klefki at least has japanese origin.
Ice cream is just... ice cream. That you find outside. Any other theme combined would be cool. Like wizard ice cream.
