Why people still plays with Smogon rules, ruining all the fun of the game?
You can't use the best of your favoritemon because some elitist says it's illegal, but he doesn't work for GameFreak, Nintendo or any serious championship.
I can have fun with my Moody Bibarel and Shell Smash Baton Pass Huntail in game, but when I try to play online the ragequit is massive.
Lets play the game in the way it was originally intended to be, for God's sake.
>>25601073
Smogon bans pokemon that cause too much over centralization in a metagame and doesnt have enough viable counter. For example the pokemon Scizor is a menace in UU and hardly anything counters it there so its banned to OU where it has counters.
Haven't seen one of these threads in a while.
>>25601073
The entire community decides what they want to see suspected or banned, it isn't some one "elitist". Everyone who plays has made the conscious decision to. I'm not really that into smogon, but if you're gonna argue about it at least understand how the system works. Also, serious smogon players play on showdown, so whoever you play on wifi are probably casuals who still think smogon is "official".
>I can have fun with my Moody Bibarel and Shell Smash Baton Pass Huntail in game, but when I try to play online the ragequit is massive
Play rated battle spot instead of random shitters then, no one's forcing you to play smogmeme rules
>>25601073
So we can have a diverse meta where people can use the pokemon they like instead of everyone's team looking the same like vgc.
>>25601073
I play with Smogon because my favorites are all shit. I like using them in NU and RU.
>>25601073
But the way it was supposed to be played is not VGC, either. NOBODY plays this game the way it's supposed to be played except the casuals, who probably shouldn't be out in the sea of sharks to start with.
all smogon does is create metas besides the official one sanctioned by gf. they provide multiple 6v6 metas with bans in place, these bans being for the most part voted on by the community, to allow many pokemon to be viable in each tier. if someone doesn't like these bans, then they're always free to play one of the many other metagames on showdown, such as monotype or even vgc, the official format sanctioned by gamefreak.
hating smogon is stupid contrarianism in its most pure form
>Fun is objective
>Expecting fans not to police the rules in a fanmade rule set
>Expecting people to enjoy playing against your annoying sets
>The only right way to play a game is how the developer intended
Maximum bait
If you want to play on showdown with no restrictions against team building, just play Anything Goes.
>>25601387
aka: Fug and friends: the meta
I dont even know what the hell is smogon. I dont give anything about that i gonna take my perfect Gardevoir and Gallade and rekt dual battles cus i can.
>>25601411
i dont give anything about you you retarded faggot
>>25601073
I've never seen more butthurt than in this image.
>>25601353
>Fun is not objective
Found the autist
>>25601441
You really and truly believe fun is objective? If so then the only autist here is you.
>>25601353
>>The only right way to play a game is how the developer intended
Well yeah, you mean you don't play Brawl and Smash 4, choosing New Pork City/Pac-Land with all Items on high?
>>25601481
What if I do?
Can someone explain why battlespot singles has more diversity than OU?
>>25601546
Then you play the game how the developer intended.
>>25601552
There are a lot more different types of teams you can use, even things like Trick Room are really good
Smogon having diversity is a meme, one thing gets banned and something else just takes its place
>>25601073
>ruin all the fun
>man i hate when im using primal groundon, kyogre, and mega rayquaza and some faggot comes at me with landerous, latios and bisharp
>fucking faggots learn how to play the game
>>25601552
Does it? Last time I played battlespot singles (in XY), nearly every single team had megagmum and the likes. Did it change in ORAS?
>>25601073
le epin smogon hate meme
or is it the bandwagon you jumped on?
>>25601597
Its just interesting because you would think every team would be megamom, bravest bird, naruto frog, spooky sword, and genies but it is not.
>>25601073
>Why people still plays with Smogon rules, ruining all the fun of the game?
What country are you from? I see grammatical errors like this all the fucking time recently. Who's making them? Who the fuck are you people?
>>25601481
He didn't actually mean that, he was just parodying OP
>>25601552
Do Battlespot stats filter lower ranks? Smogon has separate stats and only use the upper-level ones (I think 1600+ in rank, might be wrong on the exact number) and ignore the scrubs.
>>25601658
I know.
>>25601656
Could you point me where the grammatical errors are, anon?
>>25601684
>Why people still plays
Why do people still play
>Could you point me where the grammatical errors are
Could you point me to where the grammatical errors are
Answer my question, where are you from?
>>25601073
Because everyone will just use mega rayquaza, primal groundon and kyogore, and xerneas, and Mega gengar.
Those pokemon don't have a lot of things that can stop them so there's no point in using anything else if you want to win.
Fuck is my Arcanine going to do to any of those pokemon?
At least it's has a good chance of one shotting plenty of OU pokes like heatran, ttar, and scizor.
Anything Goes is filled with the exact same Pokemon for the most part. Arceus, (3+ Arceus on a team alot of the time) Mega Groudon etc.. and it is super stally. Last two games I watched, one lasted for 125 turns and the other for 200. I prefer the other tiers.
>>25601353
>baton passing a shell smash
>annoying
Get good
>>25601073
This bait again, conveniently forgetting you can grab your Moody and shell smash shitmons and use them in AG.
Meanwhile, go ahead and try to use top threat Phione in VGC.
Just tried to use ShellSmash Huntail as a baton passer in 4 random matchups and I lost all the 4 games.
Smogon doesn't know what it's doing anymore.
>is literally just a sword
>evolves from literally just two swords
>obscenely high all around stats even though it's an early-game mon
>complete fucking cancer to fight as or against
Aegislash really might be the worst pokemon ever conceived honestly
>>25602306
Because you're playing a format that works in a completely different way than Smogon's. Setup sweeping is generally bad in all official metas, but 6v6 completely revolves around it. You have more teamslots to facilitate a successful pass and more opponent's Pokemon to obliterate.
>>25602340
>waaaaaah its not muh epin elemental animals
>>25602340
Honedge-spirit using sword as medium
Doublade-spirit using two swords as medium
Aegislash-spirit using sword and shield as medium
>>25601095
>smogon bans overly-centralizing things
>has never and will likely never ban entry hazards
spot the hypocrisy
>>25601073
Because, some people are idiots.
>>25602515
>Because, some people are idiots.
>,
wew lad
It's like people don't know Battle Spot exists, even though the Showdown community is just a drop in the bucket compared to all the cartridge players.
People's perceptions on VGC being all the same team is massively incorrect, but the bigger issue is that people think it's either Smogon or VGC. You all need to get out there.
>>25602541
Battle Spot is just as bad. It's either Fug and friends OR Smogon.
>>25601481
Wait, I'm confused, what's wrong with all the items and Pac-Land. Yeah, New Pork is a cruddy arena but me and my friends don't go there. But items? There are people who hate items? That's the best part of the game, damn it!
>>25602400
Sneaky pebbles keeps certains things like Volcarona in check., it makes it easier to revenge kill mons switched in by your opponent, and it punishs switching spam.
Smogon did ban Evasion moves moves however.
>>25602556
Fug and friends are only legal in BS Special at the moment. Thanks again for demonstrating that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Why do you faggots care so much about a optional competitive playstyle? You spent $40 for the game, run around online with Hoppips and Unown if that's fun for you
>>25602564
They make the game even more about luck. I'd rather win by being good at the game than by being near a spawning item.
>inb4 >Smash >Skill
It can be hard.
>>25602575
It's mostly children complaining that there are people who don't want to deal with evasion bullshittery or Mega Fug and friends.
Said people went on to make a simulator for everyone who wants to play within the bounds of the community-voted rules and this makes some people butthurt.
>>25602568
Look at this fag trying to justify it.
>>25601552
The 3v3 environment actually fosters a much higher diversity... in offensive teams only. You will never find a successful stall/defensive team.
>>25602636
Mega-Mom, Darkrai, Greninja, Landorus, Talonflame and Aegislash. Did I miss something?
>>25602568
Entry Hazards still over-centralize the meta-game smogonfag, and your trying to justify it just makes smogon's hypocrisy all the more apparent.
I like the idea of hazards, but would like them to be nerfed.
The Spikes thing with stacking them should be that way for pebbles, too, and they should not be effected by type matchups. Having 3 Spike layers, 3 pebble layers, and three Poison Spike layers should be the only thing to instantly get you to half health. Am I right?
>>25602636
Are you serious?
11th place BSS Season 13.
http://pta124.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-7.html
4 out of 6 mons run heavy bulk and recovery options.
You can have that for free.
>>25602649
Darkrai isn't even legal.
About the only really consistent ones on your list are Mega-Mom and remotely behind it is Aegislash. You really should just give BS a try.
>>25602651
How do they overcentralize the meta?
>>25602651
How about banning sneaky pebbles?
>>25602676
If you hate them so much get a spinner or a magic bouncer or a taunt user
Or just git gud
>>25601749
he's a spic. it's typical spic syntax. i see it and point it out all the time but they refuse to learn.
>>25602400
Hey, as long as it keeps racking wins for the PS admins
>>25601073
>m-mega rayquaza is my favorite, honest! just let me use my b-bro!
fuck off retard
>>25602720
>muh conspiracy
So why don't you climb the ladder and use your high standing to argue about rocks?
Oh wait, you don't actually care and just want to shitpost, or are too much of a scrub to get above 1300.
fuck off retard
>>25602691
Rapid Spin is complete shit, and unles you kill the hazard setter, and your foe can kill the spinner then be a troll and set up the hazard again.
>>25602720
Yea, and that's exactly the problem.
They ban whatever they don't like or don't want to have to thinkabout ways to beat, and keep whatever they like to use legal.
They use their own subjective opinions as a basis for banning or leaving alone facets of battling, and that's just unacceptable.
>>25602691
I don't hate them, and I do keep a spinner. I just think less people would complain if they worked differently. Also, WHY IS RAPID SPIN SO WEAK? YEAH, I'M ANGRY!
>>25602742
>he can use le Sneaky Pebbles again guise!
>my gawd, what a strategy!
>that sure makes every way to kepp Stealth Rocks in check useless!
>>25602679
>http://pta124.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-7.html
Help I cannot read any of this. Google translate makes it almost more incomprehensible.
Spoonfeed an anon?
>>25602759
It should be banned because its centralizing the metagame too much.
>>25602564
I can enjoy a Smash game with items on low before Smash 4. Smash 4 I have to turn some of the items off if I want to attempt to have a good time because there are so many bullshit items in Sm4sh.
>items that OHKO at moderate percentages if they hit
>items that stunlock you for a retardedly long time like the drill
>just plain annoying to put up with items like the bees and gust bellows
Smash 4 with all items on is full of shit, and this is said as someone who already dislikes Smash 4 without items.
Also Pac-Land requires the players to fight the stage more than each others, I swear I see the stage get the most kills whenever someone picks that map. Moving stages in general have this problem, but most are bearable compared to Pac-Land. Stages that just transform like Delfino and that Skyward Sword stage are fine though.
>>25601073
I hate Smogon, but evasion clause and sleep clause make sense. Evasion makes the game even more luck based, and putting multiple Pokémon too sleep ruins the fun of the game.
>>25602787
How do they overcentralize it?
>>25601631
A lot of that is because of people like me who hate those mon and run unique lineups to annoy the people that do use them.
I run a RU team in OU and drive people crazy as they have no idea how to handle it.
>>25602787
Should Snorlax have been banned in gen 2 because it had over 50% usage, despite being easily countered?
>>25601073
Yes, let's play the way the developer intended and the diverse metagame will come!
>>25601073
Because the people who play "smogon rules" want to play a balanced competitive game, but are still beta enough to play pokemon.
If you don't like it, dont play it, go play VGC faggot.
>>25602816
Its spammed all the time.
![57b1271db391321aad7f58f5c8c02c1dba9b1c43_hq[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EaeLqEV.jpg "57b1271db391321aad7f58f5c8c02c1dba9b1c43_hq[1].jpg")
>>25602828
This annoying piece of shit right here is the reason why hazards are as annoying as they are right now.
>It has the balk to take hits that arent 4x effective
>Its ability punishes you for attacking it
>It commonly has a rocky helmet for even more punishment
>can run some decently powerful attacks
and the most annoying part
>50% or more of the teams you fight have one of these fuckers on them
REMOVE FERROTHORN
>>25602865
So? Everyone and their mother has Ice-type attacks on their water-pokemon. It's used much, we should ban it, right?
>>25602865
>I don't like it please ban it!
>>25602875
No but Ground moves should be banned their coverage is simply too good as they hit Fire,Steel,Poison, Electric and Rock.
>>25602870
Calm down. Ferrorthorn is only a third as annoying as gliscor or landorus.
Fuck ground/flying, honestly. What a typing
>>25602870
Bitch everything carries HP fire now.
Most megas can 2HKO
Those who can't set up on his ass
Stop being a faggot
>>25602892
>using megas
Bitch get your crutch out of here
>>25602885
That's why flying and levitate exist you faggot.
Even air ballon is a thing.
>>25602870
Ferrothorn has been power creeped like fuck. Used to be it could take hits, now its like everything and it's mother 2hits it.
>>25602901
>Using Priority bait
>implying people are stupid enough to spam EQ on types it cant oneshot
Anon plz, you air balloon is gone with a single aqua jet or smogon bird.
>>25602875
It's not the same thing though. Ice attacks aren't passive damage that every OU team uses. The problem with Rapid Spin is that the user of it is basically worthless for anything other than using that move.
>>25602768
http://pastebin.com/TERCWsB7
>>25602994
>The problem with Rapid Spin is that the user of it is basically worthless for anything other than using that move
Is this a joke?
>>25602716
Are you a spic yourself?
>>25602994
Yes we need to ban move typings that cover too much to shut down sweeper faggotry, and encourage more switch fagging.
So ban
Ice and Ground.
Dragon types mons are banned from using Outrage/Draco Meteor/Dragon Rush
Is this good enough?
>>25603014
no, i'm clearly using proper syntax.
>>25602870
80% of statistics are made up, including this one and yours.
> | 8 | Ferrothorn | 14.40134% | 571796 | 13.854% | 477209 | 15.471% |
Ferrothorn is a double-edged sword in that it can be insanely annoying to take down, especially if played well, but can also be taken advantage of by a bunch of very good Pokemon. Sableye completely shits all over it, Fire types murder it, Scald burns and substitutes turn it into a liability, etc.
And to everyone who still has problem with pebbles: they're nowhere near as cancerous as they were two generations ago, there exist multiple team archetypes that don't care much about being on either giving or receiving end of them, and those that do care have way easier time removing them than before. More importantly, banning them would do way more harm than good as they're the only hazard type Flying types are affected by. Granted, a lot of people myself included are not exactly happy with hazard mechanics as they are, but that's still way better than nothing.
>>25603029
Ban Knock Off.
>>25602888
>Smoochum used Ice Punch
>>25601073
If you both agree to play by the same rules, then I don't see what the issue is.
>>25602651
This. Literally nobody I know likes Stealth Rock and don't think it actually takes any skill to use.
>>25603124
>hurting gliscor once he's in his fortress of solitude
>>25603168
>having nothing that outspeeds and OHKOs with ice beamIt really is annoying though
>>25601393
The top players actually Arceus more than Fug. Arceus is at around 75% usage, while Fug is around 50% as the #2.
>>25603203
Shh, these threads are for shitters, not people who actually want to git gud.
Lets all be honest the following moves need to be banned
Scald-Burnfaggotry with damage completely unfair
Knock Off-Completely fucks up any strategy with a held item
Protect/Detect/King's Shield/Spiky Shield-Ends stallfaggotry
>>25602820
Show us your team
I find it weird that people kick back against Smogon as much as they do, when there's in game Battle Spot and VGC with their own meta and clients like PS! and Pokémon Online have different kinds of lobbies for different metagames.
Overall I'd say that Smogon follows Karen's rules more than anything because there's always a tier to use your favourite Mon where they can compete in a viable environment, be it LC, PU, NU, RU, UU, OU, Uber or Anything Goes, from Gen 1 right up to 6.
>>25603958
>tfw no viable tier for my bro
FU when?
>>25603882
Alright but its full ofdank memes
Dindunuffin (Ursaring) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Facade
- Play Rough
- Shadow Claw
- Protect
Sneaky Pebbles (Gigalith) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Explosion
- Earthquake
- Protect
- Stealth Rock
Genderfluid Foxkin (Sigilyph) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Timid Nature
- Cosmic Power
- Psycho Shift
- Roost
- Stored Power
Disgusting Weeb (Quagsire) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Rest
- Amnesia
- Curse
- Waterfall
Hanging Tree (Trevenant) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Harvest
Shiny: Yes
Happiness: 256
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def
Careful Nature
- Shadow Claw
- Will-O-Wisp
- Leech Seed
- Rest
RAPE APE (Darmanitan) @ Choice Band
Ability: Sheer Force
Happiness: 256
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Rock Slide
- Hammer Arm
- Zen Headbutt
>>25604151
There could be a tier for gimmick and joke mons like Luvdisc too.
It's a shame neat designs like Farfetch'd get used but are completely unviable due to crappy BST distribution.
But then again I understand sticking to the joke and stuff like that.
And evolution based on another proverb would be cool.
>>25604211
Ugly duckling!
Fuck, they already did that one.
>>25602759
Stealth Rock being able to be learned by near Goddamn everything ever was what ruined Gen IV's Meta
If they can nerf weather conditions, they can nerf the rocks. Especially when they keep bringing it back as tutors to give it to more shit that doesn't need it
>>25602897
>Not using Megas
Sorry, the meta revolves around them like niggers to watermelon
>>25602589
>MUH luck
I think that only tourneyfags are literally the only human beings to think like this. Every competition ever is about luck and having the skill to take advantage of it, even on chess when you get lucky on your opponent making a bad move.
>>25602568
>Smogon did ban Evasion moves moves however.
Why not just use attacks that always hit?
>b-but sweeping
>>25603163
You and your friends suck ass at Pokemon if SR is such a problem
>>25601073
Sirlin was right.
>>25605120
Agreed. As much as FGC loves to meme on him about Yomi, you have to admire his dedication to really push what 'being the best' was all about.
>>25604658
The main problem is that you have to ban bulky pokemon because it would fucking impossible to kill them in one hit(or its stall troll time faggot) without a stat bonus. To counter this they will spam phazing moves to troll you anytime you try to stat up, then proceed to spam scald or toxic then stall the shit out of you.
Healing moves would have to be completely banned as well because unless supereffective its freaking impossible to kill something with Aerial Ace spam while it spams Roost or Recover.
>>25601073
>lol losers u dont have fun
I actually really enjoy playing OU. It's fun for me, even though I fucking suck at it. I treat it separately than casual in-game play. They are both good in their own respects.
>>25601095
>overgeneralization
>garchomp and talonflame everywhere
Kek
>>25601073
>I can have fun with my Moody Bibarel and Shell Smash Baton Pass Huntail in game, but when I try to play online the ragequit is massive.
>Lets play the game in the way it was originally intended to be, for God's sake.
Yea the game was originally intended to be played by manchildren using the most broken shit to beat children.
>>25605941
>tfw i really really love garchomp
>design wise he's awesome
> typing is cool
> i'd be lying if i said i said part of why he's my favorite is because he's powerful.
> he's a fucking hammerhead sand shark that that can run fast enough to get flying.
>i get flak because he's a smogonmon.
>>25604151
Good taste.
Evo when? If you want, I'll post what I had in mind, and you can tell me what tier it would be in.
>>25604351
>Ugly duckling!
>It's the Rhyperior of Farfetch'd
We don't want an ugly duckling evolution.
>>25604585
>get lucky on your opponent making a bad move.
That's your opponent being unskilled.
>>25605941
Smogonbird is too shit for Ubers so it was kicked to OU where things can counter it.
>Garchomp
Ice beam you faggot
>>25606449
as a frequent garchomp user it doesn't even need to be that. a solid non stab hp ice will still do the trick. sand shark doesn't like being chilly.
>>25601073
>anal retentivity
whoever made this is retarded
>>25602623
The only thing that pisses me off is evasion/baton passing/shadow tag bullshit.
Other than that I don't care what Pokemon you use.
