Would this be the best way to implement a reverse starter trio sub-typing relationship?
Post what subtyping you'd like to see in future starters.
Fighting doesn't resist Steel.
Honestly, they did a pretty decent job with the Sinnoh starters.
>>25534363
damn i forgot such an important point.
Shinnoh though was ruined with Earthquake STAB on fire
>>25534387
>ruined
TORTERRA FOREVER AND EVER
>>25534411
Torterra is one of my faves, i'm just talking strictly from a subtyping balancing perspective.
>>25534411
Torterra is fucking shit.
>>25534340
>Grass/Steel
Jesus christ no fire moves are spammed all the time for coverage.
>>25534411
Torterra EQ and Luxray Crunch Party Time.
>>25534484
Well Swampert is 4X weak to Grass but I do agree I want to avoid this shit.
Maybe move everything over 1 notch for the sake of argument?
How about Fire/Steel, Water/Fairy, Grass/Fighting
>>25534363
This. You need Grass/Rock, Fire/Flying, Water/Fighting. There, the subs resist and also the weakness of the other pokemon sub.
>>25534646
>>25534684
Fire gets the short end of the stick senpai
>Rock being x4 against Fire/Flying
>Water against Fire
>Grass/Rock is Neutral to Fire
>>25534665
The problem with that is that Grass/Rock isn't weak to fire
>>25534695
yeah i didn't think this one through much. Also seems like Water would be real good beating rock too.
>>25534704
All that matters is that the subs are a reverse version of the mains.
>>25534340
I don't know why everyone is so fucking autistic about the final dual-type matchups.
Why can't they just have good types?
The purpose of the triangle is to introduce type matchups to new players with a balanced and intuitive system, it is not at all relevant three or four badges in when the starter is fully evolved and has a full team supporting them.
Shit even without secondary Types the triangle is already fucked since literally every Water type but Magikarp can learn Ice moves.
>>25534484
>Chesnaught will never be a Grass/Steel armored knight with Heatproof/Sturdy
>Instead it gets fucked with one of the worst possible defensive typings and a useless meme Ability because "muh triangle"
made a reverse Gen 5 sub type.
>>25534829
whoops I mean reverse gen 6
>>25534765
Well by that logic let's make them Fire/Grass, Water/Fire and Grass/Water
>>25534829
This is one of the few that doesn't get in the way of the main triangle
>>25534866
yeah it's good and Gen 6 was dope, but one thing to consider here is the one-sided relationship between Dark and Psychic.
>>25534884
fuck that, Grass/Dark is so weak to everything let it have an immunity
Use this to brainstorm. It doesn't have every type relationship, but rather focuses on relationships where a type is both super-effective against and resistant to another (or immune with an exclamation point)
If you were going to use those two opposing triangles here are the potential mix ups and their general balance going either in synched or opposed directions
GRS/STL
WK:Fir(x2), Fgt
RE:Nrm, Wtr, Elc, Grs(x2), Psy, Rck, Dgn, Stl, Fry
IM:Psn
FIR/FRY
WK:Wtr, Psn, Gnd, Rck
RE:Fir, Grs, Ice, Fgt, Bug(x2), Drk, Fry
IM:Dgn
WAT/FGT
WK:Elc, Grs, Fly, Psy, Fry
RE:Fir, Wtr, Ice, Bug, Rck, Drk, Stl
IM: n/a
---
GRS/FGT
WK:Fir, Ice, Psn, Fly(x2), Psy, Fry
RE:Wtr, Elc, Grs, Gnd, Rck, Drk
IM:n/a
FIR/STL
WK:Wtr, Fgt, Gnd(x2)
RE:Nrm, Grs(x2), Ice(x2), Fly, Psy, Bug(x2), Dgn, Stl(x2), Fry(x2)
IM:Psn
WTR/FRY
WK:Elc, Grs, Psn
RE:Fir, Wtr, Ice, Fgt, Bug, Drk
IM:Dgn
---
GRS/FRY
WK:Fir, Ice, Psn(x2), Fly, Stl
RE:Wtr, Elc, Grs, Fgt, Gnd, Drk
IM:Dgn
FIR/FGT
WK:Wtr, Gnd, Fly, Psy
RE:Fir, Grs, Ice, Bug(x2), Drk, Stl
IM:n/a
WTR/STL
WK:Elc, Ice(x2), Fgt, Gnd, Stl(x2)
RE:Nrm, Wtr, Fly, Psy, Bug, Rck, Dgn, Fry
IM:Psn
---
GRS/FGT
WK:Fir, Ice, Psn, Fly(x2), Psy, Fry
RE:Wtr, Elc, Grs, Gnd, Rck, Drk
IM:n/a
FIR/FRY
WK:Wtr, Psn, Gnd, Rck
RE:Fir, Grs, Ice, Fgt, Bug(x2), Drk, Fry
IM:Dgn
WTR/STL
WK:Elc, Ice(x2), Fgt, Gnd, Stl(x2)
RE:Nrm, Wtr, Fly, Psy, Bug, Rck, Dgn, Fry
IM:Psn
---
GRS/FRY
WK:Fir, Ice, Psn(x2), Fly, Stl
RE:Wtr, Elc, Grs, Fgt, Gnd, Drk
IM:Dgn
FIR/STL
WK:Wtr, Fgt, Gnd(x2)
RE:Nrm, Grs(x2), Ice(x2), Fly, Psy, Bug(x2), Dgn, Stl(x2), Fry(x2)
IM:Psn
WAT/FGT
WK:Elc, Grs, Fly, Psy, Fry
RE:Fir, Wtr, Ice, Bug, Rck, Drk, Stl
IM: n/a
---
GRS/STL
WK:Fir(x2), Fgt
RE:Nrm, Wtr, Elc, Grs(x2), Psy, Rck, Dgn, Stl, Fry
IM:Psn
FIR/FGT
WK:Wtr, Gnd, Fly, Psy
RE:Fir, Grs, Ice, Bug(x2), Drk, Stl
IM:n/a
WTR/FRY
WK:Elc, Grs, Psn
RE:Fir, Wtr, Ice, Fgt, Bug, Drk
IM:Dgn
>>25534947
pretty neat pic, i'll save this for team building purposes too.
Water/ghost, fire/ghost, and grass/ghost or water/dragon, fire/dragon, and grass/dragon would be my picks.
>>25535300
>notsureiftrolling.gif
>>25535300
shit nyikka, I was thinking of all ghost starters before you posted that, memes really do come true
>>25534340
>Grass/Steel & Water/Fighting vs Fire/Fairy
aaaand Fire starter pushes everyone's shit out their nostrils
>>25535380
You know you can use more than one Pokémon, right?
>>25535421
>Not doing solo runs
>googling type triangles
>find this
>>25535490
Balance in all things
>>25535490
shouldn't diglet have been like roggenrolla or some shit? regardless, this is hilarious.
>>25534340
I'd want starters with secondary types that have nothing to do with each other, like Fire/Dark, Water/Electric, Grass/Poison.
But for a reversible triangle, how about Fire/Electric, Water/Flying, Grass/Ground? Now they mostly hit each other for quadruple damage with their secondary STABs. Water/Flying doesn't hit Grass quite as hard, but makes up for it since most Water types learn Ice Beam anyway.
>>25535653
>Water/Electric,
wouldn't this make this cover it's own weakness, an edge it has over the others?
>>25535490
>metal holds water
Grass/Rock, Fire/Electric, Water/Steel
This way, the first stages will follow the normal Grass -> Water -> Fire triangle until they evolve, at which point the triangle is reversed: Electric -> Water, Steel -> Rock, Rock -> Fire.
The only problem is that Water still can hit the Fire/Electric super effectively. Not that anything like this is really considered by the people making Pokemon.
>>25536332
subtypes should triangulate with itself, but you made water interact with electric type
Im thinking Fire/Steel > Water/Dragon > Grass/Fairy. And make dragon effective against steel to make it fair.
