How would you feel if Team Rocket returned as the villains of Gen 7?
I'd love it. It would make sense, considering the Gen I game connectivity.
It would be cool, I think Oak should return as the professor as well.
>their goal is to awaken the legendary beasts Mguffindon or Plotevicegon and use it for some evil purpose
No thanks. Let them die villains than live long enough to become faggots
>Gold/Silver takes place 3 years later
>Sun/Moon takes place X years later
>Team Rocket returns with new leader
>Older Red returns as main opposition/Gym Leader/Elite 4 member
>Visit Kanto or other regions
PLEASE GAME FREAK. I want this to be Gold/Silver 2.0
Depends on how indepth their involvement with the story is. I want more from them than just "we like money".
>>25531518
good.team rocket doesn't exist in this universe
>>25531518
Unless they get new motives they're just not going to be interesting or fit into the world of pokemon.
While we're at it, let's make Charizard the box mascot
>Team Rocket will never be good again
I would probably drop the game as soon as they show up.
>>25531562
By the standards of pokemon even in gen 1 they were a minor nuisance rather than legitimate villains.
>tfw Team Rocket returns with Giovanni as their leader
>tfw it turns out they've gone legit and you've just been working at crosspurposes with them
>tfw your misguided prejudice and interference just because of the Team Rocket name allows the real antagonist to get further with their plans than they ever could have hoped with Giovanni blocking them
>tfw you have to team up with Team Rocket to sort oyt your fuckup
Rocket are incredibly boring villains and they don't need to return a 3rd time. They've been in 4 games already.
If a team were to return, it should be Galactic since they can be tied to the sun-moon theme.
>>25531653
Galactic disbanded entirely after Cyrus' shenanigans and Charon fucking up hard.
>>25531653
this kinda makes sense except palkia and dialga have nothing to do with the moon, maybe volcorona
>>25531518
I'd rather they didn't. They had a good run in both remakes of gen 1 and 2.
I would however like a new villain team that isn't about destroying, or taking over the world. I like gen 3 since they were just crazy environmentalists. And gen 5 were just PETA guys being led by 1 individual that wanted to take over the world.
>>25531579
But every team after Rocket has had fairly outlandish, vague, or shitty motives. Team Rocket was actually a legitimate and threatening organized crime ring.
>Stealing Pokemon from other trainers
>Cutting off Slowpoke tails to sell for profit
>Stealing Cubone skulls and flat out killing a Marowak
Also, this little tidbit:
>In HeartGold and SoulSilver, he mentions that he will return to his home country and rebuild Team Rocket anew, something that he did not say in the original games
>>25531635
This would probably be the only acceptable way to bring them back.
God damn I hate good ideas that can't ever come to fruition.
>there will never be a story arc where you're actually the antihero who overcomes their ways and saves the day
>>25531699
That last quote is about Giovanni
>>25531699
>>In HeartGold and SoulSilver, he mentions that he will return to his home country and rebuild Team Rocket anew, something that he did not say in the original games
Didn't that particular grunt show up in Gen V and pretty much say " lol I said that but then I decided that was dumb "
That was pretty anticlimactic
>>25531698
>I like gen 3 since they were just crazy environmentalists
They changed maxie in oras to someone who wanted humanity to experience a huge change and evolve beyond what they were before but not to the extent Groudon provided otherwise everything would die.
>>25531582
Imagine the butthurt if this happened
>>25531699
>Cutting off Slowpoke tails to sell for profit
Jesus Christ!
What can men do against such reckless hate
>>25531699
>Team Rocket was actually a legitimate and threatening organized crime ring.
That's exactly why they don't fit into the pokemon world.
Their intentions are too normal for the tools they could potentially have at their disposal. Every other team actually tried, TR were just a run of the mill gang that barely posed a threat in their world.
>>25531695
Groudon and kyogre have nothing to do with rubies or sapphires, what's your point?
>>25531699
>legit and threatening crime ring
So because you don't like other teams means that everything they did automatically never existed or is negligible. K.
Besides, TR had no motives, other than lazing about, and failing to take over two buildings.
>he'll rebuild team rocket!!!
One bit of text in an event doesn't mean shit, anon. Though...
You know, with GF's current genwunner pandering bullshit, I wouldn't be surprised if TR were the villains again. They would be shit just like in RBY, but whatever.
Hasn't there been enough gen 1 pandering?
>>25531819
dafuq is that analogy the moon is gray none of the two legendaries are grey, the sun is red only palkia might fit the bill. legendaries are based on color. want examples black and white, zekrom resheram, Gold and silver lugia and ho-oh, crystal suicune, Emerald rayquaza
>>25531518
Call it the New Team Rocket (NTR)
It's goal: cuck trainers by stealing their waifumon
>>25531858
>the sun is red only palkia might fit the bill.
The sun isn't pink anon.
There are also several Legendary pokemon who fit the bill better such as Groudon and Heatran, hell a mix of the two would make a great mascot for sun actually.
>>25531518
Hate it.
We need more villains like Colress, Ghetsis, and Cyrus. Colress's themes and character and the whole 'walking between good and evil' thing was great for a Pokemon game. Ghetsis was actually brutal and bloodthirsty, unlike a bunch of faggots who take over a casino and some shitty office building. Cyrus was a perfect example of the cold, calculating villain with lofty ambitions and the intelligence to achieve them. One could talk differently about their teams, but let's face it, the teams are always secondary to the leader.
Besides, all of them have character and personality, unlike fucking Giovanni, who is literally just the guy in a top hat going "muahaha look how evil I am".
>>25531944
Found the Unovabortion
Kill urself fggt
>>25531858
Pearls aren't pink and diamonds aren't blue, anon. And platinum isn't...well, whatever giratinas color is.
I'm not agreeing with that guy, I don't think palkia or Dialga will be important at all in SuMo. I'm just saying the legendaries don't need to match the title too closely like everybody is trying to do now
>>25531953
Okay, so what was so great about rocket anon. A reminder that being "actual" villains is a negative this time round and killing a single pokemon is nothing when one villain went after the protagonist cutting out the middle man known as battles and another blew up a lake possibly killing a whole lot more.
>>25531953
>REEEEEEE FUCK OFF UNOVABORTION MEME WORD
Damn, never even said I liked gen 5, but you're actually deluding yourself If you think Ghetsis and Colress weren't some of the better written characters in the series
>>25531807
They posed a threat, just not fucking saturday morning super villain tier threat.
>>25532044
They didn't pose a threat to anyone in the Pokemon world.
A fucking old man without pokemon was more than enough for three grunts.
>>25532044
>I don't like it, therefore it's Saturday cartoon tier!
If you had superpowers legends available to fuck around with, I'd probably be doing blood sacrifices and cleansing rituals like the rest of the crazy niggas, not running around like an autist stealing weak pokemon (and failing at it, from what we saw)
It'd be interesting, so long as they keep the Team Rocket motivations a bit more on the unique side and they don't simply become a "We need *insert box legendary here* to conquer the world" team, because honestly those stories are so fucking tedious they genuinely make playing through the recent games a total slog.
>>25531944
I never understood why so many people think Team Rocket and Giovanni are so great. Giovanni's bland and Rocket never did anything particularly interesting or threatening.
I would be so happy.
Especially if in the anime they gave more screen time to all those great one-shot Team Rocket characters we've met over the course of the series.
Like, we were introduced to an entire freakin' team of people, special agents, recruiters, scientists, and apparently Team Rocket even has a Human Resources department, hey Wendy. Seriously an enormous group of interesting characters.
That we never saw again.
Fuck.
The anime sucks now. The most interesting part of the manaphy movie was the first few seconds when we see Attila and Hun capture Rayquaza in a cameo.
WHAAAAAT Team Rocket has captured a legendary pokemon?!?!?!! Oh, by why would we tell you that story? LOL watch some ten year olds dick around with some pirates and have emotions over a cutesy blue marketing tool that hatched from an egg in the ocean.
>>25532209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhQs-I2p9P0
desu
>>25532241
The HG/SS remix was better - there was even a nice little riff before the loop.
Its pretty goddamn sad when the grunt theme plays for the team leader, like it did in the Celebi event. That above all else shows how little GF cares about TR.Good.
>>25531518
That would be kind of cool.
What if the way your R/B/Y Pokemon came over was being stolen by Team Rocket then the new PC liberates them?
>>25532240
we're talking about the games, nerd
...and all the, ah, interesting characters in them. like the team rocket administrator who had the high job of...slightly maiming a dumb pokemon. or the girl with red hair...who was silver's mom. or even the evil team leader...who didn't do anything remotely evil at all except for threaten some old dude and immediately disbanded his entire team like a pussy after losing three times to some kid.
great fucking team.
>>25531607
Being able to shutdown an entire city seems a bit above minor nuisance.
Not to mention they more than any other team seem to have been rooted within the workings of their region. Off the top of my head only Flare come close because they have Malva.
>>25532529
>Being able to shutdown an entire city seems a bit above minor nuisance.
Eh, people didn't seem particularly concerned when talking to NPCs and it wasn't really a whole city as much as one building with them dotted Roun town.
>>25532529
>Not to mention they more than any other team seem to have been rooted within the workings of their region.
They had a base in a single casino that ran after they disbanded. That's but exactly "the workings" of the region.
Oh and unlike the other Teams, Rocket didn't do that much research did they.
>>25532529
plasma and galactic were both well liked and/or feared by their regions - you saw that when ghetsis spoke, he attracted huge crowds, and was able to screw around with the law, and team galactic was known as a great business company
besides, taking over one entire building, not city, building, is nothing. fucking team magma/aqua did it like 3 or 4 times in RSE, let alone what some other teams did
>>25532209
The fact that they're essentially the Pokemon version of the Yakuza is very appealing, not to mention actually showing that they were bad in earlier games and probably some nostalgia since they were the main villains for Gens I and II.
Magma, Aqua, Galactic, Plasma, and Flare could all be pretty good too since they're are in a way based off of real world concepts too. Magma, Aqua, and Plasma could all be respectively be called terrorists and Galactic and Flare could be labeled as cults. However the fact that these aspects are perhaps not as explored and the fact that the ultimate goals of all but perhaps Plasma are to get their hands on the version exclusive legendary means it's easy to view them as simple Saturday morning cartoon villains.
>>25532712
>They're the Yakuza
This is never really explored. And for the Yakuza, they're extremely weak - some guy pointed out Mr. Fuji, without even any Pokemon, held them off. Their goals and ambitions are erratic and random, often nonsensical for a mafia - why do they want to steal a device that steals ghosts? Why do they invade a mountain to steal some fossils? Why do they extort some people on a bridge in the middle of fucking nowhere?
>nostalgia
Not a valid reason for most people and you know it.
>it's easy to view them as simple saturday morning cartoon villains
See, while a lot of the teams are rather one dimensional and just want to 'see the world change' or whatever, TR is just like them. The only difference is, where other teams have these big grand spectacles where they go into other dimensions, or take over the Pokemon League and region, or about to fire a world ending weapon, TR is just running up an office building to do some "EEEEVUL" stuff and gets their ass promptly kicked in an even more pathetic way, by the team leader just sort of giving up after getting beaten a few times.
>>25532890
>Their goals and ambitions are erratic and random
Their main goal and ambition is the amassing of money and just like the real Yakuza they do so in various ways.
>why do they want to steal a device that steals ghosts?
The Silph Scope allows one to see ghosts, it could potentially help their operation in Lavender and as an advanced piece of technology could be valuable in of itself.
>Why do they invade a mountain to steal some fossils?
To sell them or possibly even make use of them.
>Why do they extort some people on a bridge in the middle of fucking nowhere?
Recruitment and shakedown.
Could argue that wasn't a major operation since only one real member was present.
>where other teams have these big grand spectacles where they go into other dimensions, or take over the Pokemon League and region, or about to fire a world ending weapon
And that is a big difference, it's a preference for either something more grounded or fantasy.
I can't help but think that Team Rocket being based on the Yakuza and Mafia hasn't done a lot to help them as well since people are more aware of the supposed exploits of those two organizations. Terrorist organizations which aren't based around religion, political ideology, or nationalism and cults on the other hand aren't as well known and what is known is tame in comparison.
>>25531518
Back to the basics, sounds like they're going that direction.
>>25531794
>What can men do against such reckless hate
I see you and your lotr reference
>>25533176
>main goal and ambition
Meant plans, but all right.
>Silph Scope
What's their operation in Lavender? It's almost never described, other than just, "Let's catch ghosts!" And it was never hinted that the Scope was anything other than just something that allowed one to see ghosts - which one can do anyway, if the Gastly line was any indication...
>to sell them
They send an entire group of men into a mountain to apprehend one scientist. That's stupid.
>recruitment and shakedown
And that's extrapolating, especially since there's no reason to go to Cerulean Cape unless one wanted to visit some weird professor guy.
>grounded or fantasy
And at the end of the day, you're still using superpowered animals in tiny matter-storing balls. C'mon, man, don't pull the 'fantasy' card in a fucking fantasy series. At the end of the day, all teams want power or to achieve their goals, TR's way of achieving it is probably dumber and more lucrative than some of the others despite the supposed 'reality' of their motives.
Note that I believe Archie, Maxie, and Lysandre are terrible villains, and if not for Cyrus getting the 'I want to destroy the world' shtick right he'd probably be terrible too. But TR is just really bland, especially for a yakuza/mafia, and the 'outlandish' things they do like ghost stealing just seems really stupid in retrospect.
You guys are REALLY optimistic about this game.
The Pokemon series has been stagnant for years, and if Gen 6 is anything to go by, it's just getting worse.
Sun and Moon will be the exact same game you've played half a dozen time now, with the same exact formula and structure. This is a kid's series, and one of, if not Nintendo's most popular franchise at that. They're not going to attempt innovation in risk of alienating a new generation of children they're planning to reap in.
>>25534085
>What's their operation in Lavender? It's almost never described, other than just, "Let's catch ghosts!"
Could have been to set up another headquarters and use the rumors of ghosts as a means of keeping people out.
>And it was never hinted that the Scope was anything other than just something that allowed one to see ghosts
It's a one of a kind technology that allows you to do something for which no other device exists, that alone seems like it would make it valuable for any potential Silph Co competitors or for Team Rocket to empower itself.
>which one can do anyway, if the Gastly line was any indication...
Ghosts and ghost pokemon are apparently two different things, not sure if it's something GF either hasn't bothered to explain or hasn't put much thought into or is simply something lost in translation.
>They send an entire group of men into a mountain to apprehend one scientist. That's stupid.
They could have been digging.
>And that's extrapolating, especially since there's no reason to go to Cerulean Cape unless one wanted to visit some weird professor guy.
If I recall correctly, the original draw was that you get a prize. Such an operation seemingly serves two purposes, recruitment in the case of a powerful trainer showing up and some cash otherwise.
